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Unverified Voracity Needs A New Way Of Thinking

By Brian — July 23rd, 2010 at 12:53 PM — 26 comments
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Agentzzz. Does the SEC's reaction to predatory agents seem, oh I don't know, slightly self-serving? On one level I don't actually disagree with the idea that maybe having a registered NFL agent represent a kid and possibly throw him some dollars isn't the worst way to bridge some of the gap between the amount of money players make for their schools and the amount of money they make for themselves. That would conveniently pay the players likely to be worth the most to their schools without actually acting as a drain on athletic department budgets.

But maybe the time to suggest something like this…

The SEC commissioner says the current rules "may be as much part of the problem as they are the solution."

…is before half the schools in your league are under investigation and likely to lose key players. Watching the local journalists scramble to think outside the bun when their precious local programs come under threat is annoying when no one has a troubling word to say about the NCAA and their pursuit of Reggie Bush. You had five years to cluck about agents before the knocking got local. Doing it now is pure hackery. I can only imagine what the Free Press would write if Michigan had anyone involved in this. Probably not "we need a whole new way of thinking about agents."

Meanwhile, hearing Nick Saban position himself as the great and good friend of college athlete's eligibility is the sort of spectacularly brazen thing that is totally expected from Nick Saban. Seriously:

"I have no respect for people who do that to young people, none," Saban said. "I mean, none. How would you feel if they did it to your child?"

Do what, exactly? Oversign the hell out of them and then either end their careers with dubious medical scholarships or spawn a "voluntary" transfer? No. Give them money they shouldn't have because the NCAA says so. All right then.

Stupidzzz. So some guy outed the author of the Bylaw Blog. As a result, the Bylaw Blog is going on hiatus as the man behind it tries to clear it with his athletic department, which is Loyola Marymount's. Hopefully they take a look at the content on the blog and see it as a positive for their profile, which it certainly is, and let Compliance Guy continue being exceptionally useful.

As for guy who outs exceptionally useful guy: congratulations. You dug up a piece of information of no value to anyone and possibly/probably cut off the only insight into the increasingly important world of compliance that anyone had. You have committed an act of anti-journalism. Here, the truth makes us all dumber. I hope someone runs your foot over with a lawnmower.

Also then afterwards these gentlemen stop by and bend metal threateningly. Via Rittenberg comes this little bit of Barwis hype. On Mike Martin:

Bench-presses 505 pounds, squats 700 pounds … Power cleans 430 pounds, hang cleans 475 pounds …Runs the 40-yard dash in 4.9 seconds

Strength coach Mike Barwis says: "Mike is an absolute warrior. He has a never quit attitude and is a natural born leader. He is one of the most impressive physical specimens I have ever seen."

And on David Molk:

Bench-presses 490 pounds, squats 660 pounds … Power cleans 420 pounds, hang cleans 440 pounds … Runs the 40-yard dash in 4.9 seconds 

Strength coach Mike Barwis says: "Dave is an outstanding worker and a natural athlete. He is one of the most naturally explosive linemen I have ever trained."

Whatever Fred Jackson's got, it's catching.

Martin totally pwns Northwestern DT Corbin Bryant, who squats like my grandmother (a mere 600 pounds) and is essentially on par with OSU DL John Simon; no comparables were available for offensive linemen.

Clean. We leave the fresh for the rest of the conference. Dana O'Neil has a remarkable article in which she anonymously surveys D-I basketball coaches and comes out with quotes like "If the NCAA was serious, they'd hire someone who knew what they were doing, not these women out here trying to get a husband.''

"These women"—referred to elsewhere as "gestapettes"—are the NCAA enforcement people tasked with wandering around summer recruiting events attempting to make sure everything is on the up and up. If only Bobby Knight was still coaching we'd have a likely candidate for that Mad Men-era quote; as it is it could be anyone.

Anyway, here's a feather in the cap combined with a shot at Tommy Amaker:

Which league is the cleanest? The dirtiest?

Congratulations, Jim Delany. Your league wins in a landslide. Of the 20 coaches surveyed, 11 said the Big Ten was the cleanest in the country. Three others cited the land where time stood still, also known as the scholarship-less Ivy League. (Although even the Ancient Eight earned one disparaging nod: "The Ivy League,'' one coach said before pausing to add, "I mean the Ivy League a couple of years ago, before all of that stuff at Harvard.")

But coaches cited the Big Ten's perceived willingness to police itself and rosters that "made sense," in which players traditionally come from the footprint of the schools they choose to attend.

Tommy Amaker got dirty enough to mention when he left Michigan for Harvard. Michigan is bringing a fork to a gun fight in basketball recruiting.

Some nice things were said about Michigan State that we will elide before getting to the next shocker:

…the Southeastern Conference was perceived as the worst, with three coaches partnering the SEC with the Big East and another tossing in the Big 12 (one coach went league-by-league, counting up schools). All in all, the SEC was named by 14 of the coaches.

"Oh no, it's not just a myth,'' one coach said about the SEC. "It's the truth.''

Maybe we need to rethink the way we perceive rampant cheating in college basketball?

Etc.: The WLA quibbles with the Offense of the Decade, suggesting that Drew Henson's abbreviated season as the starter should have won at QB. The numbers (61.6% completion, 14.7 yards per completion, 9.1 yards per attempt, and an 18/4 TD/INT ratio) are pretty compelling; I left him off because he only played about 75% of the season but… yeah. It depends on how heavily you want to weight that.

They also suggest Askew instead of Dudley but I did not really consider Askew a fullback since he spent most of his time as the deep back in a single-RB formation, IIRC, and anyway if I was putting together a team I'd rather have Dudley for short yardage than an okay tailback who can block.

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July 23rd, 2010 at 12:58 PM
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I hope someone runs your foot

I hope someone runs your foot over with a lawnmower.

 

"He'll never golf again."

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:03 PM
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Brian, I haven't done any

Brian, I haven't done any research on this and why these players left the team, but last night while watching the replay of the Duke/Butler basketball game CBS' bottomline said two Alabama players left the team for various reasons.  Pretty awesome timing for Saban if you ask me.  That guy is just a joke.

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:07 PM
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It's funny cuz I can squat

It's funny cuz I can squat like 45 pounds

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:07 PM
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"Maybe we need to rethink the

"Maybe we need to rethink the way we perceive rampant cheating in college basketball?"

love it.

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:11 PM
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It's what happens when you ride a John Deere in the office

About 1 minute in

Mad Men Lawnmower Scene @ Yahoo! Video

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:16 PM
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ur good.. u beat me by 4

ur good.. u beat me by 4 minutes AND provided a vid.  nice work

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:18 PM
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And yes,

I have been watching all of the previous episodes over the past week. Can't wait for the premier. 

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:59 PM
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Wow, it is true what they say...

Nothing runs like a Deere.

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July 23rd, 2010 at 2:15 PM
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Jarrod Bunch

If memory serves, Jarrod Bunch was minus one big toe due to a lawnmower accident in his youth.

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:15 PM
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runs over your foot with a

runs over your foot with a lawnmower, atta boy Brian.  I see someone else is watching the Mad Men marathon in preperation for season 4!

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:31 PM
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"the WLA"

It's only chitown that LOVES Henson so much. Everyone else acknowledges that Navarre is the greatest and mostest loved. It warmed my heart to see that mgoblog also recognizes Navarre as the most favoritest.

But no, chitown is always on about 'the numbers' and 'look at these statistics.'

A gaudy TD/INT ratio won't get your blood flowing like remembering how Navarre dropped a beautiful touch pass to Ecker (of all people Tyler Ecker--he in who's hands games go to die!) on 3rd and 6 to end OSU's all too real come back in 2003. All a TD/INT ratio gets you is a big signing bonus from a dead man. 

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:45 PM
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I agree with WLA

Askew was awesome.  I wonder if there is any video of him McGuffie'ng defenders

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:48 PM
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if agents could sign and pay some of the players...

...it would seem to cause a rift between the paid and the unpaid players.    Couldnt be good when a coach decides to sit one of the chosen and play a volunteer.

 

the whole thing seems like the beginning of the end of collegiate sports, with a new semi pro level of teams.

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:49 PM
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That Dana O'Neil article is awesome.

So many great quotes. They seem to offer some real gems when they are being quoted anonymously:

"I get a kick out of the phone calls. Who gets caught with that anymore? It's a joke. They're out there catching the guy with the one phone. How about the guy with two and three bat phones?''

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:51 PM
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good job cap'n ken

i'm sure you'll be very happy with your next job as a writer with those douchebags-in-kind at deadspin. 

the problem with crap like this is that it tends to have no repercussions for the person actually committing the act (in this case, ken womack), but blows back on the innocents (compliance guy). 

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 PM
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Pure Hypocrisy

The SEC rationalization is simply breathtaking.  Where were these coaches when agents were outside the locker rooms and practice fields waiting on their potential clients?  Surely, they are totally innocnent because they couldn't bother doing some due diligence on their players like calling them up on the weekends or something.  Remember, these coaches and their ADs have a HUGE INCENTIVE TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY.  What would happen if they actually dug deep a little bit?  Suspension at a minimum and explusion at the worst.  We're talking about the best players here.  No way they would kill the golden goose.  They were caught red handed and the NCAA should make all of them pay just like USC. 

To think, the NCAA is worried too much about practice!

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:54 PM
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This agent stuff in the SEC, and the SEC's response, reminds

me of a movie sene:

1st person "I'm Shocked...SHOCKED to see gambling at Rick's"

2nd person "here's your share of the winnings"

1st person "oh..thank you"

If you said "pulp fiction" you were wrong......if you said "casablanca" you are correct...and probably middle aged like me....

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July 23rd, 2010 at 1:55 PM
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lawnmower? how about gored by a bull?

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July 23rd, 2010 at 2:02 PM
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Evilempire & the SEC

Having lived in SEC country (atlanta) for 24 years I have seen and heard it all from this these self centered, childish SEC clown fans. When they get nailed by the NCAA it's like they have this Chatty Cathy doll string they pull that goes "everybody does it". They are so isolated that whenver I tell them how big the enrollments are in the bigten, bigten academic standings etc. I get this my mama just died, dropped,gapeing, jaw effect. When the USC thing went down, an Auburn guy was telling me they should get the 2004 Nat Title Trophy......but he got upset when I said the old glass housed, stones thing of a ma jig line.

The creme de la crem is from the three clowns who played for bear bryant , in three different decades....who all said (ring you local class bell, drum roll please) "guaranteed passin' grades"!

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July 23rd, 2010 at 2:04 PM
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I like this UV title.

I like this UV title.

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July 23rd, 2010 at 2:08 PM
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I want Fred Jackson

to give me my next performance review at work. "Oh, this kid, I've never seen anything like it. Management's going to be talking about him for quite a while. The extra effort. The exceptional balance handling multiple projects and tasks. Makes it look effortless. He glides through the work day."

Also thought it was cool that Dan Persa gets a work out warrior award for Northwestern. 

  • Soon will earn second consecutive "Top Cat" award as Northwestern's top weight-room performer
  • Strength coach Larry Lilja says: "Dan is off the charts. No one works harder in the weight room. For his size, I doubt there is any quarterback who can match his numbers."

Obligatory "Gritty."

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July 23rd, 2010 at 2:09 PM
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Saban

I had the exact same rant about Saban at lunch today.  That guy is just unbelievable.

Living in Bama, I have to put up with him year round.  I've told people I hate him since he'll always be a Spartan to me.  But hearing the locals laud his quick turnaround, without them acknowledging what he's doing to kids, has deepened that hate immensely.

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July 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 PM
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Same here, man. Here in Bama

Same here, man. Here in Bama only one thing matters: winning. Some people say that about other places, but in Alabama it's really, actually true and not a hackneyed platitude.

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July 23rd, 2010 at 3:05 PM
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the hawaii take on this

interesting article in today's local paper, takes exception to the saban rant:

http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/20100723_Is_Saban_any_different_tha...

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July 23rd, 2010 at 3:58 PM
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Whats good for the goose

Whats good for the goose is definetly good for the Wolverine! Im glad to see the ncca not turning a blind eye to these other schools who not policing their campuses as well as they thought they were and now they won't be so quick to turn their nose up at RR and Michigan!!! It happens to best..........

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