Unverified Voracity Is A Mutant
Good lord. Rashan Gary runs a 4.7 and is already stronger than half the NFL combine:
MY BOY @RashanGary33 Hit 26 on the 225 #Goblue
— Need nobody but God (@ElyseeBoss) July 12, 2016
Per 247 that's more than Graham Glasgow, Joey Bosa, and Jack Conklin managed at the combine this year. Impressive! Less impressive than this, though:
Did 225 25 times 〽️ . First day went smooth ‼️
— Khaleke Hudson (@KhalekeHudson) July 12, 2016
Shorter arms have an easier time with the bench press but that's still crazy. I'm anticipating Hudson's on-field impact almost as much as Gary's.
Football was different in 1977. Then-DC Bill McCartney on Michigan's philosophy:
These days waiting for a mistake is something that'll get you killed against the best offenses, and while teams like Iowa continue to keep everything in front of them their defenses top out at pretty good.
#disrespekt makes an arrest report. Draymond Green falls victim to the proverbial chip on the shoulder:
If true, this Draymond Green arrest sounds kinda dumb https://t.co/Eh5vj8HvJp pic.twitter.com/xWDkMCwbTP
— Zack Pohl (@ZackPohl) July 12, 2016
Per reports, the player in question is defensive back Jermaine Edmondson, who has zero career starts.
Early lines. Per the Golden Nugget, Michigan is an 11.5-point favorite over Wisconsin, a four point favorite over MSU, a 4.5-point favorite over Iowa, and a 3 point underdog to Ohio State. That Wisconsin number is surprisingly big even though they had a rough season last year; injury and inexperience on the OL was particularly harmful to their chances. Being solid road favorites against MSU and Iowa is nice.
These are all the wrong answers. Mississippi State put Jeffery Simmons, who was caught on film hammering on a prone woman, back on their team just before a month-long period with no press for Dan Mullen. They spent that month reviewing Dave Brandon's Big Book Of Real Good PR, resulting in some unbelievably ham-handed and offensive responses to the berating they had to know they were in for:
Dan Mullen on Jeffrey Simmons' 1-game suspension: "I wasn't involved much. It was a university decision."
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) July 12, 2016
Finally got to ask Mullen: What if your wife or daughter? "I don't think my family would be in that situation." WHAT?!
— Kyle Tucker (@KyleTucker_AJC) July 12, 2016
I hate the "your wife or daughter" angle that always gets brought up when this happens. It is explicitly asking the responder to be irrational, to pass judgment in a situation when they should recuse themselves. But holy shit, that is the dumbest possible answer for that dumb (and very, very common) question. I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the athletic director cited the fact that Simmons could end up at another SEC school if MSU cut him loose when the decision was actually made. People in charge of things are just in charge of them for no reason, part infinity.
You knew this but now there are numbers. Out of 321 coaches in a Kenpom autobench study, John Beilein is 308th in his willingness to play guys with two fouls in the first half. The last four years Michigan has been 1st, 2nd, 9th, and 17th in free throw attempts per FGA. Nothing about this is rational.
You can put the statue back up but he has to be wearing a blindfold. Penn State got in a fight with its insurance company, because someone had a very bad idea at one point, and today various court records were released to the public. They're as bad as you might expect:
Greg Schiano and Tom Bradley show up in a Mike McQueary deposition and -- surprise! -- it's not good. pic.twitter.com/7XkemiDXEu
— Larry Jawnson, Sr. (@PancakeCatapult) July 12, 2016
Per the deposition, Paterno knew as early as 1976 and responded to an allegation with "I don't want to hear about any of that kind of stuff." A deposition is not a conviction; it is a thoroughly damning document all the same. There are many of them:
That is but one of the multiple depositions from the documents illustrating claims of abuse that spanned more than two decades before it was brought to the attention of law enforcement. The documents stem from an insurance lawsuit over allegations that a boy told Paterno that Sandusky was abusing young boys.
It seems likely that both Bradley and Schiano knew about it and did nothing. McQueary has no reason to lie about any of this. There are probably many more who had less direct knowledge but heard dark rumors. It takes a village to enable a predator.
Etc.: Michigan and Michigan State revenue. Gap in ticket revenue is pretty astounding. Odd things going down at Scout. Never take money from Russians. Drew Henson is now a Yankees scout. Angelique on Jack Harbaugh.
He came forward and the people above him did nothing.
It's not like today where he could have gone on twitter and everyone would have heard him. Seeing how high up it actually went he probably figured if Paterno, the highest man in the man, wouldn't do anything who could he go to?
He saw an old man raping a boy in a lockerroom shower, and walked away. I really don't know what man would have walked away from that without stopping it. Or at least trying to stop it. He let it continue to happen. The only reason I can come up with for that, is that he knew that he might see something at some point. Rumors, inuendo, etc...
Personally, I don't think he did his part, at all...
is entirely appropriate. It's asking whether the person actually believes the behavior was acceptable on principle, or is whether they're just being a weasel and minimizing it in the case at hand because it doesn't impact anyone they know. That scenario is certainly not one where they should "recuse" themselves..just the opposite. It's a situation where you know damn well they'd have a strong opinion.
It's 4d6 drop lowest.
Nice. Always a +1 for rpg references.
Actually looking at Rashan I think he might have been using 1e Unearthed Arcana for stats.
I swear! You should've seen it!
Any disparity in Gary's and Hudson's arm-length (which, in any event, has substantially less effect on one's bench press than people seem to think) is mitigated by the disparity in their respective chest/back mass; Gary's barpath probably isn't much longer than Hudson's.
That is absurdly strong for a ~210lb non-strength athlete.
Since 2006, only 10 defensive backs/safeties have exceeded 25 reps at the NFL Combine. Most were significantly heavier than Hudson, and all presumably trained the bench press-- specifically, the 225 rep test--extensively in preparation for the Combine.
Who designed that ticket revenue chart? The scales are so far off it essentially makes it useless to compare.
That's only 5,850 lbs. cumulative. I do that all the time but I space it out a little more. For example, I can go hit the gym right now and bang out an empty 45-lb. bar 10 times. Boom, 450 lbs. right there. I could do that 2-3x per week, and in like six weeks I'm up around that 5850 number. Do you want to do it fast or do it right, Rashan?
He's just starting out, though, so let's give the young guy a little time to develop some upper body strength. Way premature to label him a bust, people.
does explain how a 10-1 Michigan team could get lit up by a 7-4 Washington Huskies squad that was fortified with "OMG BIG PLAY!" players like QB Warren Moon, WR Spider Gaines and TB Joe Steele to the tune of 24-0 lead by the 3rd quarter of the Rose Bowl game that year.
It didn't help matters that Michigan ran a meatgrinder, clocking-sucking, Option I offense trying to play catch up in the second half. If it hadn't been for Don Nehlen's installation of several true play-action passing formations and plays that season, Michigan probably would have lost that game 27-7 or worse.
Against inferior Big10 opponents, most of whom were also running run-centric, time-wasting and less effective, option offenses as well, this "prevent the big play" strategy became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I mean what would be a big play? A fullback getting tackled by a safety for 9 yard gain? A tailback taking an option pitch around left end for 12 yards? The only team running a pass centric offense in the Big Ten that years was Darryl Rogers Michigan State (QB Ed Smith).
McCartney's secondary and linebackers were in zone coverage for 60 minutes of most games, despite having All-Conference and future NFL stars like Dwight Hicks, Jim Pickens, Mike Jolly and Derek Howard. Had these dude played man coverage on Spider Gaines and spied Warren Moon, man who knows. Michigan might have won a share of the national title that year.
I'm a bit mixed about your response here. On the one hand, you do present compelling reasoning explaining why Michigan had trouble in the Rose Bowl. On the other hand, we are: 1. Talking about football in the 70s; and 2. Talking about Warren Moon.
Michigan's option offense may not have been perfect, and of course it is structurally less effective at late-game comebacks, which is one of several reasons it has fallen out of favor. But run-oriented option offenses dominated the better part of the 70s and 80s and as recently as 1995 produced one of the great teams in college football history.
Meanwhile, defensive philosophies have evolved quite a bit. I'm not sure that hybrid man/zone coverages with QB spies were a big thing in 1977, though I'll be glad to be corrected if I am wrong. Stuff like Buddy Ryan's 46 defense and Jimmy Johnson's wishbone-killer 4-3 over hadn't been invented yet, and those concepts are relatively quaint now.
That after a bit of a slow start did not give up a touchdown in its last five games and gave Bo his first Rose Bowl win.
Unfortunately that same defensive philosophy and approach continued through 2007 for a brief 3 year hiatus of randomly assigning guys in a Michigan uniform on the field to break, bend and basically look lost, to a return to the glory of the bend but dont break concept once again returned with Hoke.
It will be interesting to see what Brown has in store for this years version.
about such conservative tendencies from Brown. His defense is based on the "attack, attack, attack," with the goal to force the offense out of their comfort zone through a TFL, sack, etc. Ideally, the defense is geared toward turnovers, but just knowing someonw will be coming from someplace makes the offense jittery; lots of false starts by the OL, backs, qb throwing the ball too early, etc.
You must remember when the bend but don't break philosophy was used most of the offenses were just like ours but we always had the better talent. We would get in trouble when we faced the aggressive offenses who more than matched us at the skill positions.
Today you need a defense with more than those capable of reading their keys. You need the skill set you find on the offense and the same type of speed. Actually, even our lbers are set up for us in that respect this season. I hope they feed off those around them and begin playing instinctively. After all, that is what earned them their scholarshipss to begin with. Watching player like Furbush, Winovich, et. al., it was not uncommon at all to see them blow the play up about 6 yards deep in the backfield just by relying on instinct and their superior quickness.
was that the level of pure talent in the Pac 8/10 was far greater than they thought. I was in school at U-M off and on from '71 until '82, and virtually all of the Michigan fans I knew back then adhered to the notion that the players on the west coast were sissy finesse players who couldn't stand up to the physical toughness of midwestern football.
The reality was that at one point in the late 1980s, USC had more alumni playing in the NFL than Michigan and OSU combined. That's obviously long since been rectified but the imbalance was real back then, and it had consequences in the Rose Bowl.
And the reason was the huge demographic changes created by the explosive growth of population in California (not to mention the rest of the Sun Belt) after WWII. That's why the Big Ten dominated the Rose Bowl up until the early 1960s, when the population growth on the west coast began manifesting itself in the early college age cohort of the Baby Boomers.
The NCAA permitted more-effective pass protection in 1977, allowing offensive linemen a ''half-extension'' of the arms. Previously, linemen had to keep their hands against their chest while blocking.
By any standard, the majority of Big Ten coaches were very slow to adjust. Jim Young at Purdue (Mark Hermann, 2400 yrds) and Darryl Rogers Michigan State (Ed Smith 1,731 yrds) capitalized on the rule change immediately. Michigan's Rick Leach was a distant third (1,109 yrds passing). The remaining QBs in the league were putting up high school passing numbers.
Meanwhile the seven starting quarterbacks of the PAC-8 that year ALL had 1,000+ yards passing. Warren Moon was not even the best in class that year
- Guy Benjamin, Stanford, 2500 yards
- Jack Thompson , Wash St., 2400 yards
- Rob Hertel, USC, 2150 yards
- Charlie Young, Cal, 1875 yards
- Warren Moon, Washington, 1600 yards
- Jack Henderson, Oregon, 1200 yards
- Rick Bashore, UCLA, 1000 yards (UCLA ran an option offense with Bashore).
During the 1970s regular season Michigan didn't face "west coast" passing offenses very much.
This frequently worked to their disadvantage in the Rose Bowl.
I'm not going to let your realistic, but glass is half-empty view of my freshman year at Michigan detract from my positive view of that season. Outside of the bizarre loss at Minnesota, it was still a great year, including the huge lop-sided win against Texas A&M in Ann Arbor on national TV.
Were you a player on that team? If it's the game I'm thinking of, A&M had a huge, very huge FB, maybe RB - can't remember what type of offense they rant - but I know he was highly touted and was very fast for his size.He was somewhere around 300 lbs and ran a sub 10 second 100 yard dash in high school. Closest comparison I can think of is Ron Dayne, WI of course. I can't recall his name, but I told my two employees - ran a small company at that time; was just 25, they could come in to work or not, up to them. I just let them know I would not be there.
Those were the days not many games were televised and UM was one of the lucky teams because they would almost always have 3 games nationally televised each year. OSU was a given, if we played ND that was good and then they'd try to throw another team in there. Hey it's Michigan. They treated us better.
IIn typical Michigan tradition, Bo and DC had the game plan worked out, not unlike vs. Ron Dayne who I think was within one of 2 yards of 100 at half-time one of the three years he played us, yet Michigan was the only conference team he never had 100 rushing yards against.
You're right, that was a great year.
I was at that A&M game in '77, and that huge Aggie fullback was George Woodard.
http://www.si.com/vault/1977/10/03/626761/he-really-pounds-it-out
Michigan rarely had real trouble defensing option-oriented offenses; it was the pro-set multiple offenses like we typically saw in the Rose Bowl that gave us fits.
and it was obvious we had trouble with those offenses, given the record we put up with far superior talent. Our bowl records started getting better when the offenses started changing. Along with Tiller came a number of other coaches that gave our DCs a lot of different looks to prepare for each week. In '95, I think, our top 5 schools all won their matchups, lead by WI in the RB. Of course, pairing always have and always will play a major role.
With that said, I was on a thirty day leave in Dec, Jan '71,'72- extended in Vietnam for six months - and was in Chicago watching the RB. IIRC, we came within not defending a fake punt from winning the NC that season. No one knew Stanford had a genius on the sidelines. The whole NFL watching nation would find that out in the then near future.
Umm? Gary and Hudson are repping 225 more times than Bosa did at the combine? That's like scary. They haven't play a college down yet. If they aren't murdering the competion this year, I'd forfit against them next year. Holy shit. Go mother trucking Blue!!
That seems like a perfect thing for MGoPhotoshoppers.
Prior to today, my biggest question was how Sandusky could have carried out these perverse acts in such a public manner. I have never faced a situation, thank the powers, that would have called for action on my part. That action doesn't even require thought, and this seems strange as hell to me that none of these four men that witnessed this type of behavior kicked the shit out of Sandusky which would have been the natural reaction on my part, regardless of who the youngster is/was. Who the hell reports to the coach as "the right thing to do?" Every one of us has the right - possibly even the duty - to protect those who cannot protect themselves just like we would ourselves if we were faced with the same danger. It's the law, but in this instance, it's instinctive human behavior as well. Yes, that same law says we must stop as soon as the danger is no longer present, but it wouldn't have been the easiet thing to do.
O.K., so they mess this up and after witnessing this perverse action, they tell Paterno and he does nothing about it. You are right. This is a very, very strange group of individuals and if it was due to Paterno and the fact that "nothing regarding PSU football was done without him being made aware of it," then this school should not have the privilege of playing this game.His non-action forfeited that right.
I think UM's revenue for football was 140 million? Well PSU is going to be bringing in at least 100 million then(very low est), and take away 500 million,- talking minimum of five year period - and yes, that's just a guess, and first tof all the wallet is going to be hit and football, because it pays for so many other sports, would not be the only sport hit. Basketball might be the only sport that could afford to play. When you punish someone, be it an institution or an individual, it's supposed to hurt.
Aside from the wallet, you're going to give their athletic department a lot of time for thought and relection. That's also another part of punishment. I know there was some type of report saying if they knew what it would do to SMU, the NCAA would never have handed it down. Well, this incident, obviously, surpasses the wrong committed by SMU and should be treated individually, without consideration to any other program or any other type of transgression.
There is only one time in our life when all that is asked of us is to be happy. That's what being a child is all about. Life is a down-right son of a bitch at times and obviously that is why this unwritten truth exists. You will have rotten sons of bitches everywhere. That is why laws and rules exist, so you can punish the guilty party and not the group as a whole.. This is the type of action, however, where these rules and/or laws do not have to be researched. Proper course of action is a given.
In this case, reporting to the head coach was the right action, at least in Happy Valley. That was done. He- Joseph PaPa - failed to do his job. End of discussion. PSU, you fucked up and you did so in such an egregious manner, we aren't even going to have a hearing. Close your fucking doors until further notice, and oh yeah, we'lll call you.
Also, thanks for your service
You have zero career starts and are a complete nobody to everyone outside of the MSU football team. When you start mouthing off to one of the (ugh) best players in the NBA, you deserve to get bitch slapped in public.
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Re the McCartney clip: I became a Michigan football fan as a kid in the 1970s, and have fond memories of Bo and the players I grew up idolizing (I spotted Ron Simpkins out for dinner at Ponderosa one night as a 10-year-old and basically sprinted over to his table for an autograph).
That said, I think in some ways it hurt us in bowl games in those days that we were so dominant. When you win by 20-30 points (or more) 7-8 times a season I suspect your ability to adjust mid-game or a run a 2-minute offense gets a bit rusty. In the 80s the Big Ten had become more competitive and we began playing Notre Dame and teams like Miami and Florida State in the
.... is the best kind.
No, it is explicity asking the responder to exhibit empathy, which is what excuse-makers like Paterno, Briles, and Mullen seem incapable of.
I don't know Simmons or what the exact events were that passed but I watched the video and those two women were in a full-on brawl. Assuming one of them was a relative, I don't think his actions were that atrocious. He tried several times to break up the fight prior to hitting anyone. When he did throw punches you can tell, given his size, he was still holding back. Even if you take the chivalric* position that a man should never hit a woman, what do you do if the women is 225 lbs and is pounding your sister? MSU's response and ability to help him grow aside, I see a kid without a fully developed prefrontal cortex in a bad situation and environment.
*Or sexist
I think a lot of people have never had to break up a real fight before, as keeping a clear head when that is going on is extremely hard given the combination of adrenaline and heightened emotions, and that colors their perceptions of the incident. That said, he does throw the punches and keeps the beatdown going, so something more than a one game suspension is called for and MSU absolutely deserves the media cycle it's dealing with. I don't think this incident makes him out to be the cartoon villain people keep painting him as.
With regard to MSU, sure, suspend him for half the season. Either way, a suspension is a vapid response that won't really teach him anything. I would venture that he we all need extended exposure to leadership development and conflict management curriculum. I assume those courses are somewhat standard within Michigan's athletic department but given the short-shrift at colleges that rely on bagmen to bring in talent.
That depends on if the information is actually useful or it it's corporate styled CYA puppies and rainbows crap. A half season or full season suspension takes away something of value and in my opinion is more useful than listening to some drone from pick your diversity awareness department talk about an issue they have little to no experience in.
I don't mean to sound overly cynical as there are good programs out there, but the vast majority are crap.
I misread Tom Bradley for Tom Brady, had a brief panic followed by moment of confusion until I read further and caught my mis-read.
So, "at least" it was Bradley... not Brady.
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