Unverified Voracity Kicks Self In Face Comment Count

Brian

Yes, pretty much. Not to dwell on a small monkey on a Caribbean island throwing a banana that turns into a tsunami because of chaos theory and wham(!) there's a coconut in Crisler, but people are saying that Tim Hardaway's facial expression after you know, that, was priceless and perfect and they're right:

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W. T. F.
via DetNews and TWB

Yes, yes, free throws, yes free throws. The most shocking stat from the game to me: Michigan rebounded 76% of Wisconsin's misses, which is actually better than their very good season average of 71% (50th nationally). It seemed like Wisconsin had one possession that lasted four minutes.

Dolla dolla bill yo. Michigan is officially one of those teams that has a head coach and then a guy making almost as much as the head coach:

Michigan, according to contract obtained today, will pay Greg Mattison $750K/year with chance to make $900K if the team wins Big Ten title

That's probably triple what any Michigan assistant has ever made and makes me wonder who Michigan could have acquired a couple years back instead of Greg Robinson. A: Damn near anyone. /kicks self in face

Compher fill-in. JT Compher is one of two recent 2013 verbals for the hockey team, but unless you're Jack Johnson it's hard to get a read on how big of a get any particular 15-year-old is. But he might be kind of a big deal if his local paper is to be believed:

"He reminds me of (Vancouver Canucks MVP candidate [ed: ??? - he's 20 points behind two teammates]) Ryan Kesler , who played in the program," said Ryan Resmierski, director of player personnel for the National Team and in charge of all the youngsters in the program.

"He's a good hockey player right now, but we think with our program in Ann Arbor, we can make him an exceptional hockey player. He has a huge upside. First of all, he's an outstanding competitor. He competes every game we've seen him."

[HT: Michigan Hockey Net.]

Compher is currently the only kid on next year's NTDP U17s, getting offered a spot four months before the annual tryout camp held in March. He held early offer-type-substances from Notre Dame, Miami, and BU; there was also some chatter about the guy getting selected in the first round of the OHL draft.

BONUS: His sister is a "talented volleyball player and dancer."

Meanwhile, Michigan's other early commit from the MWEHL, Tyler Motte, has gotten the "Seat Over There" treatment from Yost Built. Motte's averaging over a point per game for Honeybaked and Tim (Not That Tim) dug up this tantalizing quote:

"He's playing like an 18- or 19-year-old, and for a '95 to do that is pretty amazing ... If he plays with Honeybaked, they're going to have the best player in the nation."

That's just one guy's enthusiasm so we don't have quite as much to go on as we do with Compher but it sounds like both are high-end gets.

Usual caveat: even guys with Johnson's hype level come up short when we're projecting so far down the line. Both Luke Moffatt and Tristin Llewellyn were hyped as first round picks when they committed and fell well short of that. (Moffatt went in the seventh round; Llewellyn didn't get drafted at all.)

The new "hard edge". Motivational whatnot ho:

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The little text below says "State of Ohio High School Coaches Clinic," if you're wondering why you've never heard that before. So we've come to this, have we? Countdown clocks and quotes on the wall for Michigan State? A team that scrapes over seven wins twice a decade? /kicks self in face*

*[Not a Hoke criticism. Hoke uber alles.]

And then he stage-dove at a Whitney Houston concert. I've met Mike Spath and he's a nice guy but what in the holy hell is this?

Three years earlier, Rich Rodriguez donned a Maize and Blue hockey jersey and took a stab at Score-O – …. The student section roared with delight. That was Rodriguez's way and that didn't make it wrong but his occupation of the spotlight did offend some folks.

Flash-forward (or rewind) to Friday night. Hoke stepped onto the ice from the north entrance wearing jeans and an untucked collared blue shirt. He looked uncomfortable as the patrons rose to their feet just as he appeared a bit out of sorts at a men's basketball game a few weeks ago. Hoke probably would have retreated quickly, disappearing out of sight, but the band broke into a rendition of The Victors and Hoke was soon pumping his fists in unison with the crowd.

That has got to be the dumbest criticism ever leveled. Braves & Birds obliterates it and the thinking behind this, convincingly pointing to the repeated uninspiring, cheap hires the filthy rich Big Ten makes as  a major reason they've fallen behind in the race to not get destroyed 49-7 by Alabama:

Heaven forbid that the highest-paid employee at the University of Michigan, the man up front for the winningest program in college football history actually acknowledges that he is in the spotlight!  Thank goodness that we’ve hired a guy who is going to do his work in front of 110,000 paying customers and millions watching on TV, but is uncomfortable with attention.  This is bound to work out well!

At the same time Dave at Maize 'n' Brew pointlessly deconstructs Rodriguez's recruiting classes in an effort to… do… something. What other than piss people off is unclear.

So now we're positioning Hoke as a socially anxious Fred Flintstone and pretending that Rodriguez wasn't playing Sisyphus on the recruiting trail. I really want Michigan to win but this crap saps my enthusiasm because accompanying the wins will be yet more articles about how Brady Hoke "gets it" that claim "it" to be ineffable qualities like looking sloppy and knowing the fight song instead of having an upperclass quarterback and extant secondary. I'll deal with that should the time come.

I'm sorry if this occasions more eye-rolling from people who just want to leave Rodriguez dead and in the ground. I know I should just let it slide, but I can only take so many stupid things before I blow up. Otherwise I will die.

Etc.: Steven Threet retires due to concussion issues; here's his 58-yarder against Wisconsin. Brabbs profile in AnnArbor.com; The Daily profiles Carl Hagelin. AnnArbor.com also sets a new record for most extraneous words at the beginining of a headline: "Swedish Michigan hockey captain Carl Hagelin finds a second home with Wolverines." That's five. Hot diggity SEO. /kicks self in face

Comments

caup

February 24th, 2011 at 6:40 PM ^

He assumes RR asked the AD to hire a top-flight DC for big money and was denied.

He assumes that even if said top-flight DC came in he would be able to work with RR's motley band of defensive assistants and actually field a sound defense.

He assumes the crater of upperclassmen on defense was not greatly RR's fault.  Did Hoke focus on defensive recruits the minute he was hired?  Yes.  Did RR focus on defensive recruits the minute he was hired? No. He was consumed with offensive recruits.

He assumes all 3 years of RR's failure was due to underclassmen everywhere.  The 2008 defense returned 7 starters and was a pretty veteran unit.  It proceeded to be the worst defense in the history of the program (!) up to that point.

The TRUTH is that RR's program had many deep-seated flaws.  It was NOT one good DC hire away from being a juggernaut.  But when Brian paints the situation as if that were true, and makes all of the unfounded assumptions listed above, all he is doing is generating and prolonging unhealthy angst. 

JUST FREAKING STOP IT.

bronxblue

February 24th, 2011 at 7:04 PM ^

I don't think Brian made any of those assumptions; he simply stated that maybe hiring someone who had coached a decent college defense this decade would have been a better hire than GERG.  And on numerous occassions people (Brian included) have noted that one of RR's problems was failing to identify and implement a defensive scheme that worked both for his players and his coaching staff.

But if you are in the mood to start picking on assumptions, I'm going to take issue with your assumption that Hoke's focus on defense was totally and completely part of his master plan. The team RR inherited had little talent on offense and so he tried to shore up those positions where he felt the team needed the most help; Hoke looked at the worst defense in school history and addressed that this year, with a huge help from Mattison.  But RR recruited lots of defensive kids who, unfortunately, flamed out.  I'm sure Hoke will have to start recruiting offensive players next year more heavily, and we'll see how they pan out.  But stop assuming just because he failed to implement a workable system on defense that RR didn't "care" about it.

M-Wolverine

February 24th, 2011 at 7:18 PM ^

He implied it was because of money. The thing is, when he first came, he was able to attract a DC who had fielded some good defenses (before and after, actually). Issues inherent to Rich's staff make-up and his handling of the situation deep-sixed that. Money probably wasn't in the top 5 of our defensive woes (did we even have a search for someone to turn us down before we hired GERG? Or did he call and say he wanted the job and Rich said "our wives like each other....SURE!"? Other than his dysfunctional relationship with Casteel, we know of nobody turning us down left and right). It's certainly fine to admit he identified GERG as a problem from the start; there's just really little to show that throwing money at someone would remove all the other problems; that stick would leave the guy alone; that he'd back him over his staff buddies. In fact, most of the evidence was to the contrary.

bronxblue

February 24th, 2011 at 9:31 PM ^

I think the bigger problem is that RR only wanted Casteel for his DC, and Schaffer and Robinson didn't stand a chance. That is on RR. But I do think that under Martin, money for assistants was more limited than under Brandon, at least culturally if not practically, and so UM might not have pursued certain options because they knew their offers would be too low. Pure conjecture on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me given that bigtime assistants never came to UM.

SysMark

February 24th, 2011 at 11:02 PM ^

I think it was less about the money and more that RR had a fatal blindspot regarding the defense.  He wanted Casteel and wasn't prepared with a suitable Plan B to develop a credible Big 10 defense.  He clashed with Shafer then just settled for Robinson, with disastrous consequences.

bronxblue

February 24th, 2011 at 11:32 PM ^

That I agree with, to an extent.  I do think we undersell the dearth of established defensive talent on this team.  For a team that consistently fielded a top-notch defense under Carr, the fact that only Graham, Brown, and Trent were drafted (and the latter late in the 6th round) speaks to the limited talent any DC had to work with.  That said, RR's fascination with the 3-3-5 and Casteel certainly didn't help.

WestSider

February 24th, 2011 at 7:03 PM ^

request an end to some of this hand-wringing over -intellectualization of benign subjects.  Does anyone really care if Coach Hoke is sans suit and tie?  The Coach Rodriguez references and retrospective angst have worn out their welcome with many, including me. I've read this site for years, joined recently, and I appreciate the loyalty and enthusiasm of so many posters. However, it would be really interesting to hear some fresher insights and material regarding the future with this staff and team. The recruiting information flow is pretty good; the Rodriguez vs. whateverissueposterposts is stale, and so are the countless responses. Just saying.    Go Blue

m1jjb00

February 24th, 2011 at 7:22 PM ^

Let go of the media stuff.  If you can't laugh and celebrate the stupidity of others you're going to end your stay naked with a 30-odd six at the top of some tower.  Yes, Rodriguez got screwed by the Freep et al.  Yep, the same guys are going to give Hoke a tongue bath.  Yes, it's unfair.  Yes, it's important to point it out.  No, it's not important to go over it over and over.  I found the discussion on WTKA this morning of the o-line a billion times more interesting than anything that could be said abot what some idiot said about how Hoke looked at Yost. 

Benoit Balls

February 24th, 2011 at 10:36 PM ^

to know this am I?

its 30 "aught" 6.  Not 30 odd six

Like how my grandparents called 1908 "nineteen aught eight"

and yes, its a .30 cal rifle, originally made by Springfield, however mine is a Winchester

edit: aplogies to the repaeat of the post above...there was some lag time between the typing and the posting due to a crying baby

InterM

February 24th, 2011 at 7:45 PM ^

When I saw Rodriguez do his turn at Score-O, I immediately turned to my buddy and said, "3-9 next year, gone within 3 years, and never gonna fit."  (Of course, I couldn't be heard over the crowd -- ah, those naive, unperceptive kids!)  But now I'm pissed that I was out of town and not at last weekend's game -- what a missed opportunity to immediately learn how the Hoke era will turn out!

Tater

February 24th, 2011 at 7:57 PM ^

I'm sorry if this occasions more eye-rolling from people who just want to leave Rodriguez dead and in the ground. I know I should just let it slide, but I can only take so many stupid things before I blow up.
The problem is that the "stupid things" won't stop. Too many people are still trying to create "Hoke vs RR" instead of just trying to appreciate Hoke on his own terms and merits. It's as if three years of pent-up petty sniping has been dumped into both the MSM and Michigan-related blogs the last two months. It's as if a large segment of the media and "fanbase" thinks that simply by "putting the band back together," banging the drum about "Michigan Tradition," and running a 1990's playbook, the "Michigan Man" staff can turn every year into 1997. It doesn't work that way. I really like Hoke's leadership skills, and I don't even mind the "Hoke-ey" clocks in the locker room, nor do I mind his use of smarmy Saint Dantonio quotes as a motivator. His image is just what the MSM is looking for, and positive press helps the program a lot, especially in recruiting. If he finds a way to coach modern football without pissing off the rest of the Carr-tel, though, I will like his leadership skills even more. I think Hoke can be a brilliant motivator, delegator, and frontman. I just hope he continues to delegate offense to someone who can bring new coaching DNA into the program.

GoBlue007

February 24th, 2011 at 8:10 PM ^

That was one of the better rants  - short, sourced data, and acceptance of lunacy (very important).  I should take note - mine are usually with mgoblog open on my laptop, smoking a menthol, with a '97 single action revolver w/ one bullet in it next to an empty bottle of vodka.

Michigan Arrogance

February 24th, 2011 at 9:35 PM ^

the problem is, there were anti-RR people from day 1. and that would have been OK, if there were any rational, logical reasons for not liking the hire. but no, all they had was "shredgate", "blre bler Michigan Man," "this ain't the B East" and "doesn't get the rivalry."

Whatever any of that shit meant, the morons couldn't tell you.

 

so now, when RR didn't work out... the morons were right but for the wrong reasons. of course, all you hear is that they were right and that Hoke is the savior. Hoke may be the savior, but there sure as hell aren't any tangible reasons to think so. so bringing up his "low key" "salt of the Earth" baloney just makes me roll my eyes. Certainly not Brian's response to it.

 

in the end, i think the dichotomy comes from some people who are content in their faith, and others who need evidence. this may get a bit too close to religion/politics/race/other taboo crap, but whatever. such is the evolution of humanity at the moment.

 

 

 

M-Wolverine

February 24th, 2011 at 11:29 PM ^

Because 3 years of evidence of problems under Rich, and there was still a lot of faith that the rolling "next year" was the year the National Championships start rolling in. One side has faith with no positive, but no negative evidence yet. The other still had with a preponderance of negative evidence.
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<br>It doesn't make one side wrong or right. It's just a denial by one that any faith as involved at all.

El Jeffe

February 25th, 2011 at 9:38 AM ^

I agree with you that no one on a sports blog is going to change any one's mind when both sides are in entrenched positions, but this:

there was still a lot of faith that the rolling "next year" was the year the National Championships start rolling in.

is just flat out wrong. If you can find me a single person who thought we would compete (let alone win) a NC in either years 1, 2, or 3, of the RR regime, I will buy you an e-beer. The argument was always for 2011. I recall Brian guessing 7-5 this year. My own estimate was 8-4 (thought we'd lose to ND and beat MSU and Iowa).

FWIW, I didn't think we'd win a NC next year either. My thought was that allowing a coach to see his first full recruiting class reach their junior years would provide the evidence we would need to determine the future course.

BTW, I was not a fan of the Hoke hire for all of the reasons noted in this here thread. I think if you substitued the "MIchigan Assistant" line on his resume with any other school in the country, including Florida, Alabama, USC, Texas, and OSU, we never would have heard of the guy. Hence, he was hired because of his MICHIGAN MAN bona fides. And that makes me sad  because I didn't think UM did that kind of thing.

Nevertheless, if Brady Hoke has the exact same record RR did in his first three years, I will still argue that he should get a 4th and even a 5th year.

M-Wolverine

February 25th, 2011 at 3:21 PM ^

You're judging it by current knowledge and standards.  A lot thought the track was first year struggling around .500 with all the lost players, second year the "Rich Rod Leap", where everywhere else his programs make vast improvements, of the 9 win area, and then kicking ass and taking names after that.  Sure, perceptions changed after we bombed 2008, and then had barely any leap in 2009, but to say the perception wasn't that he was going to have us contending for it all in 3 or 4 years (realistically), and have us winning bi-annual titles from there on out (unrealistically) is not how it was going down. Heck, there are STILL people who say we can't compete as a National Power, because we've let Rich go, and it was just around the corner if we had waited.

You're taking picks and predictions after 2-3 bad years. Even after 1 bad year, there was still a lot of optimism. I don't even have to look any of it up to know Tater was at least one on that bandwagon. But there were tons of others. There had to be. Because there were so many that were sick of 9 and 10 win seasons, and where is there to go up from there but competing for the title every year?

caup

February 25th, 2011 at 12:06 PM ^

90% of M fans only started to really bash RR once he started losing... and losing... and losing.  And then he lost to a 3-9 Toledo team. At home.

THAT, my friends, is when the mother load of stupid, irrational criticism of RR started rolling in.  The typical Michigan Football fan could not process the audacity of such an epic failure and started grasping at stupid straws.

So, was much of the criticism by the oridinary fan and writer stupid and inaccurate?  YES.

But was actual, accurate criticism also warranted? FUCK YES.

Michigan Arrogance

February 24th, 2011 at 9:51 PM ^

and BTW, i LOVE how the countdown clock is totally kosher for hoke, but had RR done it, you know the RABBLE would be all over that shit.

Hoke made a very good DC hire. all the rest is bullshit, including the dumbass tacky as hell countdown clocks that jumped the shark 5 years ago.

2014

February 24th, 2011 at 10:15 PM ^

Ryan Kesler is an MVP candidate because he's 12th in the league in scoring and will probably win the Selke Award this year (taking it away from the 3-time defending champion Pavel Datsyuk). Meaning, he's an excellent two-way player, something that the Sedins (the two players on his team with more points) are not...as good as the Sedins are, Kesler is more valuable to the Canucks.

Now back to the previously scheduled rabble, rabble.

 

gobluesasquatch

February 25th, 2011 at 1:47 AM ^

We're Michigan fans. Which means one thing, we act like a bunch of entitled, spoiled, whiney brats. For years we hung our hats on the Big House, being in the Game with Ohio State, having won more Big Ten titles than other schools, Yost, Crisler, Schembechler. We did things the right way (allegedly), and we had a proud tradition. Yet, we hadn't won a national title since before Eisenhower. 
 

Remember Schembechler couldn't win a Rose Bowl until 1980. He lost to Ohio State quite a bit after that first historic win. When Schembechler retired, we all quickly hailed Moeller because he was new and more wide open. Bo would have lost to Florida State 51-7 not 51-24 or whatever the lopsided score was. Bo would not have thrown the ball on 4th and 1, and definitely not against Notre Dame. Then Moeller strung together a few 8-4s, we got upset, the pressure built, and moeller embarrassed himself out of Michigan. 

We HATED the Carr hire. We thought we could do better. We wanted more, we wanted McCartney, we wanted Cameron, we wanted Dungy, we wanted all sorts of people, but NOT Carr. Carr went on to release D-coordinator Greg Mattison and bring in Jim Hermann. We won a national title. All was good. We were the program with everything above, and a national title (albeit shared). 

We thought we should have won the next year without any consideration of the reality of replacing key components. We wanted Henson because the guy that nearly beat out Griese the year before wasn't good enough. We wanted the big armed local boy to start. We overlooked Tom Brady. And when Henson did finally start, the defense let us down, and at critical moments, Henson failed (throwing on 3rd down against purdue on a roll out when he could tucked and ran, gotten near the first down, forced Purdue to use a timeout, and Dortch never hits the game winner). 

We hated John Navarre because we wasn't Henson. We hated Hermann because we couldn't defend a running quarterback. We ran of Stan Parish because his offense wasn't open enough. We ran off Terry Malone because he didn't pass the ball vertically enough (Steve Breaston at the time caught balls moving across the field better than down the field -heck, he coudn't catch a cold down the field during college). We ran of Hermann and brought back Ron English, who for 10 of the first 11 games of 2006 made our defense look great. Until teams figured out they could just tear apart our secondary. 

We've niavely believed that no one would turn down Michigan. Carr had lost his step. Despite going to the Rose Bowl after the 2003, 2004, and 2006 seasons, he couldn't coach. Les Miles could win. Les Miles was the second incarnation of Bo. Yet when he had his chance, he walked away. Or was never offered. We hired the same guy who TURNED ALABAMA DOWN.

Yes, that's right, the Big Ten doesn't go after name coaches. BULL - RODRIGUEZ WAS THE HOTTEST NAME IN ALL COLLEGE FOOTBALL. HE TURNED DOWN ALABAMA. They wanted Saban, Saban said no, then RichRod said no. Suddenly, when we hired him, we wasn't good enough.

We were too good to not go to a bowl game, save the fact that EVERY major program has had a down turn and not gone to a bowl game at least once in the past two and a half decades (maybe tOSU is the lone exception - though year one under tressel was ugly). USC, Texas, Tennessee, Florida State, Miami, Oklahoma, Alabama, Auburn, need I continue on, all experienced mortality. We thought we were too good. 

Was Hoke a great hire. We can only find out. Does he have a passion for Michigan - YES. Did he do an amazing job at Ball State - YES. If you have any REAL knowledge of college football, you know what a hell hole Ball State is. I think it's just slightly better than Eastern Michigan. He did a better job than much hyped Chuck Long did at SDSU. Who cares about high profile. Alabama hired high profile Mike Price - how'd that work out. Oklahoma once hired Howard Schnellenberger - how'd that work out? USC settled on Pete Carroll. Ohio State hired a nobody in Jim Tressell and I'd say they've done fine. UNC hired big name Butch Davis - how has that worked out? Lane Kiffin anyone? He was a big name. Rick Neuhisal and Norm Chow at UCLA - BOMB. Tyrone Willingham at ND?

In the end, Rich didn't win enough fast enough. He worked his tail off. He wanted to be a Michigan man. He was different to be sure, but I didn't care. I don't care if he enjoyed the limelight, or shunned it. Carr was a old churmungeon, but I don't care. Win, do it the right way (and the violations I still don't totally hold against RichRod). No need to compare him to Hoke, proclaim Hoke as the second coming of Bo, or Yost, or even Moeller, or Carr. 
 

As long as the Michigan coach isn't an arrogent jerk like Dantonio, or Tressell and Dantonio who care less about character, or Saban who is just unlikeable, or pirate obsessed like Mike Leach (okay, I love Mike Leach), I'm fine. Win, win a lot, compete and win Big Ten titles, beat OSU more than 50%, have a chance for a national title, don't act like an idiot- and I'm good. You can have a twang, no twang, nasal A, you can have a name I could never pronounce like the coach at Navy. Could care less. 

anyhow, Go Blue and lets analyze real football, not the soap opera bs. Let ESPN and their hacks spend time on that. 

sharkhunter

February 25th, 2011 at 2:59 AM ^

for dantonio after his "mild" heart attack.  After UM beats him this year, I hope the ambulance gets a flat tire on the way to pick him up after he clutches his chest and soils his underroos.  Efff 'em.   If he is going to be an immature prik and continue to make it personal, then he should welcome and anticipate the same in return. 

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markusr2007

February 25th, 2011 at 2:00 PM ^

Brady Hoke hasn't coached a single game yet, so I don't know WTF to expect.

Actually, no. I'm expecting Michigan to get back to "old Michigan" since  that's what everyone is saying, i.e. 9-3 every year accompanied by a horrific bowl loss. I mean, like it or not, that's the place on the shelf where Michigan football has resided historically.

I don't know about other people, but when I say shit out loud like "under Brady Hoke, Michigan will be finishing 10-2 and 11-1 and taking Ohio State consecutively to the woodshed" my brain counters with "what the...., that can't be right!".

I don't really care about Hoke's appetite for media attention. I actually enjoy Bo Schembechler's, Mike Ditka's, and Belichick's hatred of the press. Hoke looks like under the right conditions he could blow a gasket on some Freep reporter at a press conference.  Entertainment surely awaits us someday.

Rodriguez may have indeed "liked" the press and media attention. And why not? Until coming to Michigan, the press loved the guy.  I guess I don't understand the criticism because I don't see a problem with it.

 

 

Blue since birth

February 26th, 2011 at 3:33 AM ^

This whining about RR now that he's gone is getting to be just as sickening as the whining about RR was from the other side while he was here.

If WVU was RRs scorned ex that wouldn't let go... We're the fawning ex that won't let go.

Both are pathetic.

BRCE

February 26th, 2011 at 7:28 PM ^

Of course it's not a Hoke criticism, Brian.

It "came to this" because of a losing streak that occurred under a coach you still think could have been our savior.*

*Not a Lloyd Loyalist or anything close. I'm consistent -- people who hold on to their feelings about former coaches more than they get on board with the new one (whether it be Carr OR RR) are pieces of crap.