Unverified Voracity Is Just A Bunch Of Mad Quotes Comment Count

Brian

Okay. Time to go, guys.

Ain't nothing to f with. God bless the Daily.

From the paper:

“What I can tell you is we would never, ever, put a guy on the field when there is a possibility with head trauma. We won't do that.”

He later added the following in the same press conference:

“We would never, ever, if we thought a guy had a concussion, keep him in the game.”

More than 12 hours later, at 12:52 a.m. Tuesday, a statement released by Athletic Director Dave Brandon confirmed sophomore quarterback Shane Morris had indeed suffered a “probable, mild concussion” resulting from a helmet-to-helmet hit in the fourth quarter of Saturday’s game against Minnesota.

Small actions. There is a petition that anyone with a uniqname can sign that has hit 4200 signatures already. And there is a Diag rally calling for Brandon's firing at 6 PM.

This is very depressing. As you probably noticed on Saturday, Lloyd Carr's grandson has an inoperable brain tumor.

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If you're inclined to pray, keep Chad in your thoughts.

All the wrong stuff. Maize and Brew:

"Without the benefit of replays." Apparently the 20 million dollars worth of scoreboard on each end of the stadium wasn't quite enough. Besides the fact that everybody in that stadium saw the replay, the bigger question is how in the world did anybody not see the hit? Even assuming every coach turned away from Shane the moment he let go of the ball and nobody saw the hit coming, shouldn't the team neurologist have his eyes glued to Shane? After all, on a passing play concussions will come either at the QB or the WR, but given his ankle injury and Michigan's offensive line concern I'd say QB was much more likely. Plus shouldn't all team health staff, medical or training, be looking at the limping QB under center? For Dave Brandon to say nobody saw the hit on the field means he either believes it or believes we will believe it. That makes him a liar, an idiot or both.

Andrew Kahn talked to the guy who does concussion stuff for the Jets and Giants:

“It was obvious to anyone who saw him in the aftermath of that hit that he was not right,” says Kenneth Perrine, a clinical neuropsychologist at New York Presbyterian/Weill-Cornell Medical College and the consulting neuropsychologist for the New York Jets and New York Islanders, where he evaluates players with concussions. “At the very least he could have sustained a concussion.”

More reactions. Spencer Hall:

if you are one of the 10 people whose primary beef is to claim it's irresponsible to say that Morris had a concussion, you have internalized the language of the law, reaching insane abstraction in defense of the indefensible. Morris took the crown of a helmet to his chin, then was visibly disoriented while having serious difficulty standing. An MMA ref would have stopped this fight cold. That's how bad this looked: an MMA event would have taken better care of Morris than a collegiate athletics staff did on Saturday.

But sure, point to the man on fire. Tell someone you don't know that man's on fire. You did spy the application of gasoline. You did see the striking of a match and the ignition of a flame on a person's body. But you don't know the fire was what did the damage, do you? Did you establish this with medical personnel? Did you obtain a record of that? Fire's done a lot for us as a species; indeed, we would be long dead without it. Don't just slander fire like that. And who can say the person applying the match knew what he was doing, for sure? Did you ask them if they have an understanding of gasoline/fire relations, chemically speaking? Prove these things, or say nothing.

Spencer's coming up for the Penn State game, by the way, so… yeah. That'll be quite a piece.

Jane Coaston:

I am an extremely loyal person. Too loyal. Especially to Michigan.

Hoke demurred to protect a player dismissed from the university for a violation of the sexual misconduct policy, and I didn't really say anything, because apparently I'm only a feminist until it gets awkward and uncomfortable. Brady Hoke explained away losing in a dipshit manner to opponents less hamstrung by idiocy, and I sighed and tried to move on, because I'm a Michigan fan.

Maize and Blue Nation with the clutch Lebowski embed:

Either Hoke is lying, or Dave Brandon chose not to include Hoke in his meetings with all related parties. One might be attempting to separate themselves from the other here, but its not going to work. This is on both of them. Hoke is Brandon's guy. That can't be undone.

The Daily:

Even 24 hours later, Hoke didn’t acknowledge the possibility of a head injury, referring only to Morris “further aggravating an injury to his leg” in a statement to reporters. He added he is “confident proper medical decisions were made.”

They very clearly were not.

Whether Hoke witnessed what occurred on the field or not, it’s his job to know everything that goes on around his football team, with the health of players at the forefront of those responsibilities.

And so it is the position from all four of us on The Michigan Daily Football Beat that Hoke be fired immediately.

The Mood hits an all time low:

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The Hoover Street Rag imagines a way in which Hoke could have given a non-repulsive press conference:

Good afternoon, everyone.  After the game on Saturday, I watched the footage of Shane taking that shot to the head.  I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't catch that live, and I didn't see him stumble afterward.  That's on me.  We as coaches need to be aware of our players' safety at all times, and I failed there.

As a staff, we should have immediately gotten Shane out of that game, regardless of whether he wanted to come out.  Shane's a tough kid and a fighter, so of course he wants to stay in, but it's our job to sit him down there.

MVictors:

But why was Hoke hung out to dry and not told this was all happening?  This isn’t just a “medical report”.  If Hoke was told this was all happening, at the Monday presser could have talked about his responsibility and perspective on Saturday, but then he should have added, ‘..but we’re reviewing everything that happened to understand what mistakes (if any) were made’ and that the ‘details will be coming soon’, etc. etc.

Nick Baumgardner:

On Monday afternoon, Brandon allowed his head football coach to step to a press conference podium in an absolute no-win situation. Hoke was unprepared, unsupported and left there to face live bullets.

Alone.

On Monday afternoon, Brandon threw Hoke -- a man he hired in 2011 -- under the bus, and hung him out to dry.

Hoover Street Rag:

…the statement comes about 24 hours too late. If that statement is issued at 12:52 AM on Monday morning, there's grumbling and some side-eye. At 12:52 AM on Tuesday morning, everything has changed. Michigan has been put under the microscope on not just ESPN, but has crossed all the way over to Good Morning America. You've promised the media a "medical statement" that never really showed up, unless this is it. And you've sent your head football coach up to his press conference to stand there and look like someone's idiot cousin you wouldn't trust to run a doughnut shop, let alone a multi-million-dollar football program where young men risk their health and safety on a daily basis.

To be fair, this may be the case. Brandon's statement says that Morris was diagnosed with a concussion on Sunday. Brady Hoke didn't get in touch with his injured quarterback to ask how he's doing? Or Shane Morris didn't know he has a concussion? Neither of these seem reasonable, and one is more plausible than the other.

HSR again:

My one-year-old's still figuring out this whole language thing, but she has a couple of sentences figured out. Her first sentence was probably "Go dog go," which she uttered in order to request the book of the same name. Lately, she has been saying "Are you OK?" a lot. These two sentences are apparently enough to make her a qualified medical professional for Michigan football:

NATALIE: Are you OK?
SHANE MORRIS: I'm fine.
NATALIE (pointing Shane onto the field): Go, dog, go!

The hundred-million dollar elephant in the room. Stephen Ross on Dave Brandon:

"He's probably the most qualified athletic director in the country. I think he's terrific," said billionaire real estate developer Stephen Ross, a UM alumnus who has given the university $310 million in recent years.

This is a problem. It's a lot less of a problem than when the article came out just hours before the Minnesota game—Ross may like Brandon just fine but have we shown you these other guys who aren't flamingly incompetent?

Also in the room, Brandon's terrible contract:

Michigan signaled its approval of Brandon's work when it gave him a new contract in July 2012 that pays him a base salary of $900,000 in 2014-15. The six-year deal is through 2018, and pays him a $5.55 million base, and he can earn up to $1.3 million in deferred compensation through 2018. He gets fringe benefits such as free tickets, use of two cars, a golf club membership, and travel reimbursement for his wife.

Brandon's contract stipulates that if he's fired without cause prior to Jan. 1, 2016, the university must pay him his remaining base salary and his remaining deferred compensation. Firing him after that date reduces the payout to 50 percent of both the remaining base salary and deferred compensation.

100% guaranteed until 2016. Unbelievable. What possible reason would you have to do that?

BTW, that article includes the credulous claim that Brandon was a "finalist" for the NFL commissioner's job, something that is not true.

Cheaper. Hoke's buyout is a chump change two million, at least:

If he’s not -- if he’s fired by athletic director Dave Brandon, or the university board of regents, or U-M president Mark Schlissel or any of the above -- it will come at a heavy cost.

According to Hoke’s contract, signed on March 28, 2011, he will be owed $2 million to buy out the remaining two years (2015, 2016) left on his contract.

That's nothing compared to Weis/Ferentz level buyouts.

Much better shirt repping. This guy understands his apparel:

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Etc.: Center Ice on the new blueliners. Bacon's on every radio station in the country today; here's his appearance on Here and Now yesterday. Headsetssssss. We're in the New York Times so I guess that coo—oh it's about the concussion. Also the Daily Mail.

Might?

Comments

TSimpson77

September 30th, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

"Brandon's contract stipulates that if he's fired without cause" 

I believe there is cause, the concussiongate issue is just the icing on the cake. He has failed in duties pertaining to his job in numerous occurances named on this blog.

late night BTB

September 30th, 2014 at 1:47 PM ^

Good thing I grew up in EL an MSU fan except for my 4 years at UofM, because I'm ashamed of this school.

None of the qualities shown by DB or BH in the last 4 years would be those I would want myself, or close friends and family, to possess. I'm repulsed.

Burn this 'thing' to the ground. 

OldLady

September 30th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^

The Brandon contract info is about the most depressing thing I've read in the last three days.  It sounds like from the above commenters that "for cause" is probably out of the question.

That being acknowledged, am I wrong in thinking that this dramatically lowers the chances we see a Brandon firing in the next few days?  Before I read that I was feeling really optimistic it was just a matter of time, now I'm pretty discouraged.

Any chance the university is ready to eat a few million to fire him now? Am I overreacting? Somebody help me here...

pearlw

September 30th, 2014 at 1:54 PM ^

Is there some sort of friction between the student body and student athletes?

I found this quote interesting in one of the articles today. The quote is from Michigan student body president Bobby Dishell with the bolded section being the interesting part

"The success (or lack of success) of the team isn't the issue. A lot of students feel we are pawns in a scheme to make the athletic department money. Students have thought the department placed the needs of the student-athletes above other students. Saturday's game goes to show they might not have student-athletes needs in mind."

 

 

gbdub

September 30th, 2014 at 2:46 PM ^

There are a couple things - the second sentence I think refers to how student tickets have been handled. The bolded sentence is pretty much true everywhere, but I think the specific beef (at least the one I've heard most frequently) is that the AD has been gold-plating the facilities for non-revenue sports while neglecting upkeep/improvements for the campus rec buildings open to the general student body (i.e. IM, CCRB, NCRB) that the AD also runs.

WindyCityBlue

September 30th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^

While was attempting to sign the "Fire Brandon" petition, I came came across a "Keep Brandon" petition.  It was commical.  It states:

Summary/Background

I like Brandon. He's a nice guy.

Petition Text

Don't fire David!

 

ken725

September 30th, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I thought there was no such thing as a mild concussion. It is either you are concussed or you aren't.

I doubt the medical staff said mild concussion, rather it was DB trying to spin it in a marginally more favorable way.

GoBLUinTX

September 30th, 2014 at 2:14 PM ^

right now publicly contradicting that lie?  Why do you suppose they are allowing Hoke's lie to stand?  The lie he told when he said the only reason Morris didn't practice on Sunday was because of his ankle.  I just don't understand how the medical staff, who started their concussion protocol immediately after the game, is allowing Hoke to tell his bald faced lie without challenge.  It can't be because they fear for their jobs, at this point who is going to fire them for telling the truth?

Space Coyote

September 30th, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^

Mild (Grade 1), Moderate (Grade 2), and Severe (Grade 3) that depend on things like loss of consiousness, amnesia, and dizziness, among other facts I think. I think what you're thinking is that every concussion is brain damage, which is true.

FWIW, a mild, Grade 1 concussion has symptoms that last less than 15 minutes and there is no loss of consiousness. That's part of why it's so hard to diagnose because the symptoms are so much more understated and mostly gone after a short time period.

This is likely at least part of the reason for "probable", and the multiple tests that they conducted likely had to do with doing things like CT scans (not really sure how this works) or some other protocol outside of the above stated symptoms (and I assume headaches and things as well, but don't know) to comfirm the likelihood of a concussion outside of video evidence.

The other reason for "probable" could be because it may be a Grade 2 concussion, which also doesn't involve losing consiousness but has symptoms that last longer than 15 minutes. Maybe Morris showed signs of some symptoms (headaches) but not others, again, not sure.

 

gbdub

September 30th, 2014 at 3:17 PM ^

Eh, it's obviously true that some concussions are worse than others. The symptoms may not be directly tied to a specific level of trauma in a 1-1 manner, and there's a lot of disagreement within the medical community over how to grade concussions and over what exact forms of mild traumatic brain injury should be classified as concussions. I believe the "no such thing as a mild concussion" talk is primarily designed to get people to not ignore concussions rather than as a true scientifically descriptive phrase.  

remdog

September 30th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

let's all take a deep breath and try to put things in perspective.  Stop throwing around epithets without all the facts.  Stop blowing things out of proportion.

For a variety of reasons, it was not immediately apparent to coaching staff that Morris might have suffered a concussion.  They didn't see the hit.  He didn't have a loss of consciousness and wasn't obviously disoriented when trainers took a look at him shortly after the hit.  He might have stumbled from his known ankle injury.  He played an extra play.  $%&^ happens.

Even now, medical personal can only diagnose him with a "probable mild concussion."  That means they still don't know whether he really had a concussion and if he did, it was mild.

I call on all posters and bloggers here to show a little common decency and restraint toward all involved including Hoke and Brandon.

A change in athletic director and head coach would be best for a whole lot of reasons (a terrible product on the field) but not specifically due to "probable mild concussion-gate."

If you want to get all fired up, focus on more important things such as a poor kid with cancer mentioned in the blog.  

SDCran

September 30th, 2014 at 2:30 PM ^


I know it isn't a popular opinion, but this seems pretty sane to me.
Add that The fact that Shane went back in for that play really would be on the medical staff.

But given how these last couple of days have played out, it's probably time to make a double move. UM can still grab some moral high ground and put this behind them.

gbdub

September 30th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^

I've said this before, but while the medical staff's word is and should be final when it comes to "this guy can't play", it is not and should not be final when it comes to "play this guy now". Assuming everything is fine unless a medical person explicitly tells you otherwise is a fail-unsafe, irresponisible position for the coaches to take. You shouldn't need a badge that says "medical staff" to know that a stumbling, dizzy-looking player who just took a big hit to the face may be concussed and should be looked at. Basically, there should have been someone on the coaching staff willing and able to say "I'm not comfortable playing this guy till I get an affirmative yes from the neurologist".

The bigger issue is that there is an apparent lack of effective communication between the medical staff and coaching staff to ensure that a concern about player health is relayed in a timely manner to someone with the authority to get the guy off the field and / or stop play. That issue implicates the coaches at least as much as the medical staff.

I almost wonder if the NCAA needs to start adding a guy to the replay official's booth whose job it is to watch out for possible head injury and call an injury timeout. This should be automatic in any case of targeting penalties with contact to the head. And in such cases, the game should be suspended long enough to run a quick concussion check with no penalty to the injured team. If a hit is bad enough to trigger an ejection, it should be enough to trigger a neurologist check. I don't think the coaching staff should be absolved of watching out for their own guys, but it would be beneficial to have someone objective with that as essentially their only job.

Blue Fan

September 30th, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^

I don't get it.

These are generally 4 star players. They dominated at the level below this. With or without coaches they naturally know their positions and are able to learn others.

Instead they look terrible out there.

Same with the coaches. This is not their first assignment. They have excelled elsewhere

michigandune

September 30th, 2014 at 2:10 PM ^

If David Brandon knew what was good for Michigan, he would to the right thing and offer his resignation to the regents.  Michigan has to move on from David Brandon.  No big time coach, be it one of the Harbaugh brothers, Les Miles or anyone else is going to come to Michigan as long as David Brandon is AD.

umchicago

September 30th, 2014 at 2:18 PM ^

i would have never dreamed that there was that much guaranteed money.  i'm really disappointed in seeing those terms.  given that, it will take some time to negotiate any kind of buyout or determine "just cause".  there is no way he gets fired soon.  that alone may keep hoke stringing along too until the end of the season.

Mr. Yost

September 30th, 2014 at 2:33 PM ^

On SVP & Russillo?

Let's get this clear...I don't like Rich Rod, but I also don't think he was given a fair shake. I think both can be true and just because you defend the guy doesn't mean you like him or just because you wanted him gone doesn't mean you dislike him.

NOW...moving on.

I thought he just gave a GREAT interview with SVP & Russillo. I usually don't listen when he speaks, because again, I'm not a fan of his...but I love SVP & Russillo and the way they interview people is better than anyone in the business (because they don't ask the b/s questions).

So I sat patiently waiting for them to get around to Michigan...they did, and ended up talking about Michigan for just as long as they did about Arizona.

Rich Rod was open, honest, and only declined to comment on his thoughts on the situation. But he spoke about his time, how he was disappointed and how it ended, what a Michigan Man is, and a few other things.

Reading between the lines, you can tell he loves his guys at Arizona, but it still eats at him on what happened at Michigan. He always talks about "there were so many things many people don't even know" about how hard things were. He also alluded to how he was given a crap team at the start and was just building and thought he had it ready to go in years 4 and 5 (Denard's junior and senior years).

Anyway, I've heard SO much coachspeak over the past year from Hoke...it was refreshing to hear a coach answer a question openly and honestly, even a coach that I don't particularly care for. 

You all should look it up if you have the time. It was pretty good.

Wolverine In Exile

September 30th, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^

without getting into CC speculation tangent, if a mid week firing occurred, do you think a temp AD from within would be appointed or an emiterus just to guide the ship until a permanent replacement is found (i.e. bring back Bill Martin temporarily, rehire Bruce Madej)? Now with Lloyd's grandson's issues, I would think he'd be off the table as a caretaker emperor for either the AD or the football team. I kind of half heartedly joked in another thread to bring back Gary Moeller for the rest of the season to act as emeritus HC in a Barry Alvarez role, but now with the way this is shaking out, I'm not sure I want either Nuss or Mattison as interim HC... I know Moeller's 73, but he would be a guy the fan base, probably players, and the current coaching staff could rally around at least temporarily. (not to mention it'd buy us back some universal karma from the way he was shitcanned in the mid 90's)

MI Expat NY

September 30th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^

I don't think you can brign in someone from outside the program to be interim.  At least not right smack in the middle of the season.  Could Barry Alvarez step in for a bowl game?  Sure.  It's not really any different from a new coach coaching a bowl game, where he generally leaves most of the coaching up to the guy tagged as interim.  But during the middle of the season, you need your countable coaches to be guys that have been there since the start of camp.  That's why you promote from within and promote a grad assistant to assistant coach.  I imagine there would be somebody available to name the guy and might be as simple as calling a coaches meeting and asking them who they want to be the interim guy.  

ClearEyesFullHart

September 30th, 2014 at 3:22 PM ^

But your blatant hypocrisy evinces a total lack of self-awareness.  This is EXACTLY the type of overblown press coverage you RAILED against when it was coming at the expense of Our Lord and Savior RR.  So Bellamy couldn't find his helmet, and Shane was sent in to hand off the ball ONCE under the gun as the playclock was expiring.  What terrible harm befell Morris that I missed?  Is he suffering terrible PTSD that he was so blatantly put in harms way?  For all the coverage there's been, kid must be dead right?  At least in a wheel chair for life?

You've become the problem.

bronxblue

September 30th, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^

I'm not going to agree totally here because there are differences in the situations, but I do kinda agree that the wall-to-wall coverage of this event has seemingly moved from caring about the safety of players to using that concern to bludgeon to death a couple of idiots (Hoke and Brandon) who screwed up royally and shopuld be fired.  It's Brian's thing, but I would like it if the rhetoric turned a bit more toward the football team and just let this issue play out the way it should.  At this point it feels like people are looking for new ways to be enraged about a situation that was pretty f'ed up when it occurred and doesn't need any more gas thrown on it.

m1jjb00

September 30th, 2014 at 3:42 PM ^

but, this has moved further with contradictions, coverups and incompetence.  

For instance, a legitiimate question would be How did Hoke come out on Monday and say that Shane would practice on Sunday if it weren't for his high-ankle sprain when Brandon said that an investigation concluded that Morris probably had a mild concussion?

A second legitimate question is Why did that press release come out 1:00 in the moring?  What was the hold up?

A third legitimate question is You said that the neurologist noticed Morris's condition and moved to the sideline to investigate.  So, what happened?  Did he get there?  Was a protocal finally performed?

At this point, I'm glad that people are coming with pitchforks and torches.  Better than resignation. 

InterM

September 30th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^

sez the guy (the inaptly named "ClearEyes") who was calling for folks around here to apologize when the supposedly inevitable "truth" emerged that Morris had no concussion.  Now that the facts are not so favorable to his earlier narrative, he's moved on to the story being "overblown."  Sure, as long as a kid's not dead or in a wheelchair for life, what's the big deal -- who really needs those silly concussion protocols anyway?

kehnonymous

September 30th, 2014 at 4:33 PM ^

Wringing one's hands about how Brian's coverage is feeding the 24/7 news frenzy and distracting from the players on the field is possibly well-intentioned but hopelessly wrong-headed.
 
If we're talking about Michigan's football team, it's willful ignorance to focus on anything else but Hoke and Brandon's mendacity right now.  As long as those two remain employed by the University of Michigan, the team on the field can't be anything but an afterthought.  Brandon and Hoke haven't just crossed the Rubicon, they've pissed in it and expect us to drink it up like wine (or free Coke).  They are the story and will continue to remain the story until they are gone. As long as they are employed the administrative apparatus that is in place field the team is functionally incapable of doing that.  Talking about what happens on the field is like examining a pimple on your wrist when your arm is riddled with flesh-eating bacteria.
 

Todd92

October 1st, 2014 at 7:09 AM ^

About Brandon's contract.  Since it is MUCH cheaper to keep him until Jan 1, 2016 and then fire him, I suggest demoting him to work at the concession stands at all events (no disrespect to the fine folks who work there).  People can hurl insults at him while he serves them hot dogs and COKES.  Given his ego, he'll quit rather then endure this, freeing the University from paying him off.