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two gentlemen who won't be on the bench much this season [Patrick Barron]

Incoming: the other thing we're excited about. We taped a basketball preview podcast this weekend and Ace and Alex will be rolling out season preview stuff pretty soon. Media day also transpired. MAAR:

"If he can become an excellent defender on this team then there will always be minutes for him," Beilein said.

MAAR also has to settle down and finish when he gets to the rim, which he does a lot of. Hard to see him getting a ton of minutes this year; equally hard seeing him get a redshirt since he has skills that aren't common on the roster.

Wagner:

At 6 feet, 10½ inches, Wagner is learning the four and five positions in Beilein's system. That involves banging on the blocks. It requires physical play. It demands fighting for rebounds and manning up on defense.

As of now, despite Wagner climbing from 211 pounds to 225 since arriving at Michigan, that's difficult to imagine. It might look like one of those dancing inflatable tube men stuffed inside a phone booth.

"He just hasn't shown that physical ability to rebound yet, but he will," Beilein said. "He's really a talented young man. As I'll tell you every time, (when he plays) you'll say, 'Wow, that was awkward,' and he will be awkward. Then a minute later, you'll say, 'Oh my goodness, did he just do that at 6 feet, 10½ inches?'

Wagner sounds like he's headed for a redshirt. Also he lives for Chipotle. And is six feet ten and a half inches tall.

Kenpom updates. Kenpom has updated itself with preseason rankings. Its exact sauce is secret, but the system takes into account recent performance, returning players, and recruiting rankings. The Big Ten:

  • 9 Wisconsin
  • 13 Indiana
  • 17 Michigan
  • 18 Michigan State
  • 22 Purdue
  • 24 Maryland
  • 36 Iowa
  • 42 Ohio State
  • 51 Northwestern
  • 61 Illinois
  • 66 Minnesota
  • 119 Penn State
  • 137 Nebraska
  • 223 Rutgers

Well done, Rutgers.

None of that is a surprise given the way I've seen the thing work. Wisconsin is being given credit for being very good the past few years; Kenpom looks at the Michigan roster and is like "tell me more." Then it looks at the Big Ten and is all like "dunno": it projects nobody better than 12-6 and has 8 teams within two games of winning the league.

Meanwhile M's nonconference schedule has no middle. They've got four opponents ranging from 23rd to 41st (SMU, Xavier, UConn, NC State) plus a couple TBD opponents who will probably be good in their tournament. Then they have six nonconference opponents Kenpom ranks 240th or worse. Woof.

It's jug week. So you know MVictors is fired up. On the 1903 game:

Speaking of the Armory – We know now that Minnesota equipment man Oscar Munson found Michigan’s water jug inside the Armory a day or 2 after the game, and, we know that Athletic Director L.J. Cooke suspended the jug above his office in the Armory from 1903 to 1909:

Armory and Jug

Quoting Coach Yost:  Before the game a Minnesota man asked him, “Are you going to beat us?”  “Well, that’s what we came up here for,” replied Yost.  “It will be a great game, and probably a close game.  Minnesota has been playing better football than any team in the west this year…if we win this, we win the championship.”

Tauntings: The Minnesota band entered the field before the game led by a donkey, and, ahem, “the animal wore trousers of Michigan colors.”  [They didn’t get those pants from Moe’s.]  When the Michigan second team players arrived they were greeted with a rousing chorus of “Poor old Mich” by the Gopher Fans.

The Daily Gopher also has jug miscellanea for your reading pleasure.

The next guy, probably/maybe. For no particular reason I spent a chunk of this weekend looking for John O'Korn clips out. Weird experience, that. A game against Rice from his freshman year demonstrates his promise:

There is some dumb freshman stuff in there; there are also a half-dozen throws to make you go "whoah." Against BYU the next year he was middling at best, though his receivers went out of their way to avoid catching the ball, and then against UCF he was in full Hackenberg mode, turfing about every other screen and getting benched for the duration of the season.

O'Korn is about as far away from Rudock as you can get without leaving the "pro style quarterback" designation: a wild, big-armed gunslinger. There's a lot for Harbaugh to work with there; there's also a long way to go. O'Korn's been rooming with Rudock in an apparent effort to get him  more towards the middle of the continuum:

Mastrole said O'Korn is benefiting from living with Rudock, a student of the game and devoted to watching film.

"I'm glad the two of them are rooming together," Mastrole told The Detroit News recently. "John has off-the-charts physical intangibles, and he's a very smart kid. He's going to pick up things and he's observing Jake." …

"He had some turmoil last year but now he's sitting (this season) and learning a lot," Mastrole said. "Jake has been a good fit for him."

I think the word you were looking for there is "tangibles," but I could care less.

That Miami is open. One of the most fascinating jobs in college football is now available for a special someone. That person will have to be a special someone indeed, as Stephen Godfrey and Bud Elliott detail:

Godfrey: I don't know Florida like you do, but I've talked to enough people in the industry to understand the unique problem in Coral Gables. The one thing Luke said that stuck with me the most is how Miami wants to sell "SWAG" on a t-shirt and then recruit and behave in the exact opposite manner. You can't do both.

Bud: You need someone who can relate to the culture at Miami. Golden's "unity overcomes the adversity" slogans were so lame. That is not how these kids are coached when they start in little league. You need someone who relates, who can inspire them. But the administration seems to prefer more of the milquetoast Golden type.

Godfrey: And in 2015, you can't expect the famous Howard Schnellenberger strategy of fencing off "The State of Miami" to compensate for the lack of money and support. Kids in Dade County are uploading highlight clips to Instagram when they're in middle school. Digital film is the biggest change to the recruiting landscape in the last decade, diminishing the local colleges' advantage of identifying prospects before out-of-town schools can. This new hire must be someone for whom local players want to play.

Al Golden, a Penn State alum whose biggest success came at Temple, was as bad a cultural fit as Rich Rodriguez was at Michigan. And Miami is one of the few programs in the country where that "fit" thing looms even larger than it does in Ann Arbor.

This is why Butch Jones, a 63-year-old who hasn't coached since 2010 because he was run out of town by the NCAA, is currently the internet polling favorite at the SB Nation Miami blog. Culture is super-important (and fans on the internet are crazy).

As a result of that and Miami's notorious lack of funding you can probably dump most of the most attractive names on Bruce Feldman's comprehensive list of candidates. (One that includes Jedd Fisch, FWIW.) Tom Herman and Justin Fuente don't have local connections and are going to be pursued by schools with bigger pocketbooks. Dana Holgorsen ($2.3 million already) is probably out of reach monetarily, or will be after his agent gets to work.

But Rich Rodriguez is making just 1.5 million at Arizona, has a ton of South Florida experience in recruiting, and runs a spread offense that would help differentiate Miami from the other two in-state P5 programs. It would be a roll of the dice for both player and program, but… I mean, Deerfield Beach is less than an hour from Miami proper.

Or they could just hire the Rock.

Etc.: Sap on the anniversary of Ufer's passing. We are now #2 in the F+ rankings. Berenson interviewed. Denard was and is the last NCAA football cover athlete. Make or break year for Kam Chatman.

Comments

ProfMurdoc

October 26th, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^

 He would probably land on his feet in recruiting and would benefit from the upgrade from Arizona to Miami in fotball status and legacy. And the location couldn't hurt. I agree, he could do wonderful things for the school. 

That would suddenly be a much more interesting conference too. 

 

So, when at WVU and looking for a big name UofM with unique cultural expectations to escape to, he got turned around and went north instead of south. And that made all the difference. 

snarling wolverine

October 26th, 2015 at 4:28 PM ^

could be downright scary, particularly if he brings Casteel.

Instead of begging Casteel to follow him everywhere he goes, he should give up his obsession with 3-man defensive fronts and just hire the best DC he can, regardless of scheme. Casteel isn't exactly tearing it up as his DC right now.

UNCWolverine

October 26th, 2015 at 12:46 PM ^

"Then they have six nonconference opponents Kenpom ranks 240th or worse. Woof."

Uggh, is there a way to stop doing this to our SOS rankings? Is it better to trade those 6 wins on our record for 5-1/4-2 against Kenpom 80-240 teams?

El Jeffe

October 26th, 2015 at 12:55 PM ^

I assume JB's (or whoever is making the schedule) strategy is that if you win, it doesn't matter much. I mean, with other things equal (like a top-4 B10 finish and a good showing in the BTT) you're probably talking about a one-seed difference in the NCAA tourney with a good or crappy Kenpom score.

Still, I can't for the life of me figure out why we don't schedule 150ish Kenpom teams instead of 250ish.

UMForLife

October 26th, 2015 at 12:52 PM ^

O'Korn shows a lot of promise. He made the right choice by transferring. He definitely needs to improve quite a bit. But those deep balls looks really good.

Princetonwolverine

October 26th, 2015 at 1:55 PM ^

I clicked on that video of O'Korn against Rice (yes, Rice) expecting highlights. Wow, was I shocked at his inaccuracy. I counted 6 throws that should have been intercepted and many others nowhere near the receivers. 

 

Moonlight Graham

October 26th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^

off their TV using a handheld camera. Guess Fox Sports Southwest was stingy with their game replay. 

I am going to go ahead and say this: O'Korn reminds me of what a right-handed Shane Morris might have looked like, say, last year. He doesn't rifle it in there quite as hard but he's got arm talent. Long throws are better than short. Got some wheels. It seems like next year's QB competition could be between two similar guys, one righty and one lefty. 

UMAmaizinBlue

October 26th, 2015 at 1:07 PM ^

Has constantly been labeled as the oldest trophy in college football, but I've heard of other trophies that seem to predate 1903, such as the Standford Axe or this Victory Bell. I'm all for adding a little pride into the program with the claim of having the "oldest trophy in college football", but are we just lying to ourselves?

Evil Empire

October 26th, 2015 at 1:55 PM ^

So QED.

Sounds like there are asterisks all around when comparing the Axe, Jug, and Bell. 

The Axe is slightly older than the Jug, but it didn't become a trophy for the Stanford-Cal game until 1933. 

The Bell was missing from 1930-1946 and the one that travels is a replica of the original, which is on display on Miami's campus. 

Of course the Jug might not be the original either, since it went missing from 1931-33 and Yost positively identified two different jugs as the original.

On a side note, Michigan won three straight shutouts from 1930-32, 1933 was a scoreless tie, and then Minnesota won three straight shutouts from 1934-36.

carlos spicywiener

October 26th, 2015 at 1:15 PM ^

RR's stock isn't as high as the days of Pat White & Steve Slaton. Back then, he was THE spread guru. Winning at West virginia?! Was such a thing possible?

I think michigan fans are still stuck in the 2007 mindset about the guy, back when he was an excellent idea to hire. But college football has moved on since then.

Many newer, hotter coaches on the market. With spread gurus powering TCU, Baylor, Oregon and other formerly woebegone schools into national heavyweights, there's plenty more options on the table for Miami.

I think Cristobal is a good fit for them. Knows the region well, the HS coaches, wouldn't require a big paycheck.

gwkrlghl

October 26th, 2015 at 1:52 PM ^

Now that everyone does the spread (and plays against it) all of a sudden Rich isn't the offensive innovator anymore. When do you ever see his teams dropping 60 or 70 on people? Making the top 10 for an insane play?

He's just a good spread coach with a poor defensive side. He's not winning a national title at Arizona or Miami

Eye of the Tiger

October 26th, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^

....his offense still works, the ACC is a weaker league than the Pac-12, and the guys he likes to recruit for his sytem are often from Miami's backyard.

The big question is whether he wants to leave a stable situation where there are only moderate expectations (Arizona) for another "historical legacy program," with all the baggage and frequently unrealistic expectations that entails.* Plus moving his family across the country AGAIN. 

(*It's also an opportunity, I'd argue, but only for a very specific kind of coach.)

Asgardian

October 26th, 2015 at 3:23 PM ^

2007 was, arguably, the strangest year of college football in the past decade. It featured several different number one teams, and a Border War game between Kansas and Missouri with National Championship implications. Boston College and South Florida both rose to be ranked #2 IN THE COUNTRY for at least one week during the season. This naturally favored Les Miles, as eventual National Champion, LSU, stood atop the pile of chaos with two double overtime losses, to Kentucky and Arkansas. Alabama lost to Louisiana-Monroe in Nick Saban's debut season. Meanwhile, Notre Dame won fewer than four games for the first time since 1963. http://edsbs.wikia.com/wiki/200x

markusr2007

October 26th, 2015 at 1:14 PM ^

and then joining the ACC in 2004.

In 2004, every Miami Hurricanes fan ever was trash talking, promising they would just annihilate the ACC, including perennial ACC powerhouse at the time Florida State, which had won or tied the ACC title 11 of the previous 12 years from the moment FSU joined in 1992. That Miami cockiness was not surprising, after all they had just gone11-1, 12-0, 12-1, 11-2 and beat FSU in the 2004 Orange Bowl.

Fast forward 11 years later to 2015 and Miami is still searching for its first ever ACC title.

In fact, over the last 10 years since 2005 Miami has not even sniffed qualification for the ACC title game. They haven't even hit ten wins since 2004.

And by now we all know how an ACC college football season goes.  Before September even kicks off we know that Florida State is going to the league's title game, and will play either Georgia Tech or Virginia Tech on the other side of the field. It's sort of a law now.

Florida State is dominating. Miami is not in the equation and it's increasingly difficult to imagine anyone coming in there and sewing that program back together after over a decade of irrelevance.

Personally, I hope that they don't come back.  Ever. I disliked the swagger, disrespect and lack of sportsmanship that Schnellenberger sowed, and that Jimmy Johnson, Butch Davis and Larry Coker cultivated and harvested.

One of the most enjoyable plays you can ever watch in college football is George Teague's strip of Lamar Thomas at the 1993 Sugar Bowl, which Alabama won 34-13. 

It's dated now and irrelevant, but at the time is was delicious kharma. 

Miami Rule or Lamar Thomas rule made unnecessary.


 

MGlobules

October 26th, 2015 at 1:17 PM ^

he could really capture the imagination of South Florida, and would also run a clean program. I see him instantly elebating Miami back into a relationship of equality with UF and FSU (bearing in mind that Miami has 16 thousand students in comparison to UF's 50 thousand plus and FSU's 41,000). There are reasons why the school doesn't have a ton of scratch. 

jmblue

October 26th, 2015 at 3:44 PM ^

I'm not sure how much you can succeed at Miami running a clean program.  Take away the cheating and you've got a school with no fanbase and terrible facilities playing its home games an hour from campus.   

I'm not sure if Golden was a "bad fit" so much as his hands were tied by a Miami administration that no longer wants to get down in the mud in recruiting, kind of like Michigan basketball post-Ed Martin.  This puts them at a disadvantage in a region full of dirty programs using bagmen.

 

 

M-Dog

October 26th, 2015 at 1:22 PM ^

Wow, that Minnesota Armory building is creepy impressive.

I'd be dissapointed if at least 3 people weren't tortured there and told to never dare speak of what happened within those walls.

 

Gr1mlock

October 26th, 2015 at 1:23 PM ^

On one hand, Miami hiring The Rock is pure lunacy.  On the other hand, it would be one of the awesomest things that has ever happened to college sports.  Thus, as a not-fan of Miami and a fan of hilarious things happening, I'm pulling for this outcome. I mean, can you imagine the press conferences?  The recruitng visits?  Halftime interviews?  It'd be gold.  

Dubs

October 26th, 2015 at 1:50 PM ^

Read a tweet/source today (edit: link) that said that Charlie Strong would "listen" to Miami.  I know he recruits Florida extremely well, and did so under Urban and also pulled a few good prospects out of Miami when he was at Louisville.  If Strong bolts to Miami, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tom Herman step up for Texas.

M Go Cue

October 26th, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^

Richt would be a perfect fit. Former Miami QB, former FSU OC, can recruit Florida, and is straight laced enough to make admin happy. UGA fans are ready for a fresh face and Richt is probably ready for a fresh challenge at his alma mater.