Unverified Voracity Finally Posts It

There's got to be more to this story than just the YouTube video. I can't believe Stoops would be so stuffy as to boot a player for just that.

devils advocate. it's easy to say that guns in school == no, and i agree. but intent should be considered, that's all.

Dan - no idea, but I'm sort of anti "bringing loaded guns to schoool" as a general policy.

but nonetheless... what about the gun? i mean, everyone seems to say, 'hey that's indefensible' but what were the circumstances? i mean what if he literally brought the gun to school for self defense? just sayin'...

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I am not the same.

great post. and believe it or not Don, i respect your opinion as well (however i know plenty of unstable youth that listened to Van halen, and Queensryche, but whatever) as a educator over the last 10 years i have seen both sides of the spectrum... The first 7 in an area of the country where education was not important, single family homes were the norm, and teenage pregnancy sky high. The last three, in upper middle class, high class world. Things are different, priorites are different. The curriculum is the same though. blamning beavis and butthead for kids starting fires, or judas preist for teenage suicide has been a round for a long time, across generations, and across socio-economic lines. After all, Elvis was particular evil because he appealed to the hormoned youth of america who were most likely to pick up on his sexual induendus. If this is about saving our youth, OK should have helped the kid out, his family, is issues, not sent the kid packing....This is about a football program making a knee jerk reaction, and that is all.

Don, you're trying your hardest to turn this into a racial issue, which shouldn't be surprising as a resident of Grosse Pointe in the days that realtors refused to show houses in town to such dregs as society as blacks and jews. The fact, my friend, is that you're creating a double standard. You frown upon a subculture that "glorifies violence, rhapsodizes about drug use, sexualizes young women, and dismisses education"? Have you listened to a Rolling Stones album? It's full of fist-fights, morphine trips, and fucking young girls. So why was it ok for you to engage in elicit activity and not OK for Jarboe to SPEAK about elicit activity? Because your white mommy could bail you and your friends out, and they could save your lilly white ass from any dumb-ass thing that you did? The fact that Jarboe doesn't (note: I don't even know what kind of family he comes from. Nor, do I suspect, do you, aside from the fact that they're black) have someone as well-connected as your Grosse Pointe parents means should be punished harder for his mistakes? That, my friend, is ten miles beyond moronic. The simple fact of the matter is this: Oklahoma was FINE with Jarboe when he was a felon. He got arrested for bringing a loaded gun to school, and they let him stay enrolled. They kicked him off the team, however, for talking. That's it - talking. Your entire argument for why what he said is impermissable revolves around his race. He comes from a "violent culture", so he shouldn't say that. You further imply that you could in your day, because your parents were part of a "complex social network". Your effort to turn this into a black vs. white issue speaks volumes as to who you are. Your effort, in your second post, to somehow assert that you could engage in the elicit behavior Jarboe only SPEAKS about because your family was wealthy and well-connected demonstrates that you're the guy that isn't racist because "he had a black friend once". As strange and frightening as people who didn't grow up around you may seem to be, it does not create a different standard of behavior for two people. That's patently racist, and disgusting.

I knew before I posted my comment that a common response would be to bring up all the songs in popular music over the years referencing some sort of asocial or criminal behavior, and use it to explain away the sort of stuff that Jarboe was spouting, as though that stuff existed in some sort of cultural isolation divorced from reality. It always kills me when white middle-class kids from relatively stable homes in communities with reasonably well-funded schools, a viable business environment, and a decent availability of jobs who listen to Johnny Cash or Queensryche or Van Halen and aren't induced to mimic what is sung about simply assume that their experience is universal. The fact is that the vast majority of us here at MGoBlog all have had multiple influences on our lives—parents, schools, teachers, friends, neighbors, employers–who collectively are a giant counterweight to whatever negative influences we encounter. That's what a community does, or should. The problem is that other kids may not have those advantages, because the communities they live in are ridden with joblessness, unstable family situations, absent fathers, chaotic schools, endemic violent crime, rampant drug use, and all the other social ills that make the papers every day. When you then create an entertainment subculture that glorifies violence, rhapsodizes about drug use, sexualizes young women, and dismisses education, all against the backdrop of a crumbling outer culture, the nice comfortable notion that music and words have no real effect on young people isn't so plausible. Tens of billions of dollars are spent worldwide on the premise that intentionally composed images of people, still or in motion, in combination with words and music, can influence the thoughts and ultimately the behavior of individuals. This is exactly what underlies advertising, and companies and organizations and politicians devote huge amounts of energy and money to creating it because endless amounts of research over the years has proven that people in fact ARE influenced by what they watch on a TV screen. The influence may be subtle, and it won't automatically induce them to do something that's completely at odds with their culture or values. That's the rub: if the culture they're in is as dominated by negative forces as positive, then dismissing the potential effect of what is seen in a video is naive. Looking at it another way, if you'd shown "Triumph of the Will" to American audiences in 1938, the universal reaction would likely have been a mixture of puzzlement, distaste, fear, and perhaps some loathing, since the cultural context of that film had little to do with ours. Show it to the German audiences of the day, soaked as it was with anti-Semitism, fervent paranoid nationalism, and veneration of all things military, and it was an extremely potent form of visual propaganda. Or another way: I grew up in Grosse Pointe, and so all of my friends came from stable two-parent homes, plenty of money, great schools, clean and well-maintained neighborhoods, and most importantly, a complex network of personal, business, and professional relationships that mutually benefited everybody. So when the late 60s and 70s rolled around and all of us started smoking dope and dropping acid and snorting god knows what all, on top of drinking our brains out, we had all kinds of familial and societal structures and relationships to moderate the worst of our inclinations and bail our asses out if we got in trouble. Yeah, there were some kids who got too deep into it and never came out the other side, but the vast majority of us came out relatively unscathed precisely because of all the positive things in our comfortable, stable lives. For the kids in other communities who didn't have those things to fall back on and support them, it's a different story. There's an old expression: "when the rich catch cold, the poor catch pneumonia" and it applies in all kinds of ways.  And no, Electron, even though I'm 55 and therefore a certifiable cranky old fart, I'm not Old Fan.

brah, i've heard that before. it was for some kind of banquet for Bo or something. i remember hearing about that and Sophia Loren (or someone of that genre/timeframe) wanting to meet Bo for some weird reason. What was that story?

Brian, Thanks so very much for that. It takes me back to the mid to late 70's when JP McCarthy on WJR would play that 2 or 3 times on his annual day before the Michigan Ohio State game program the Friday before the big game....ah memories....

I beleive the FBI would classify you as "sexually unstable" either that or "fucking stud, brah!" haha

i know what your saying, i would have never even thought about having sex in a car before listening to van halens' panama, and never progressed to a moving car before seeing the white snake video here i go again, with tawny katan

over the span of thousands of case files that exposure to deviant information has increased copycat and emulatory crimes in a certain, unstable percentage of the population. Having said that, I believe that freedom of speech and expression is MUCH more important and valuable to the other 99% of the population that aren't wackos.

...you guys should TOTALLY be Nikolai Volkov and the Iron Sheik!

Wonderful song... wonderful version... it will be tagged under the "RELIGIOUS" genre of music in my iTunes library. To be played at my funeral!

We're still trying to figure out who is Hawk and who is Animal. We both want to be Hawk.

AH yes, it may seem as though i only pop up for certain conversations. I assure you i read everything here, just only comment on things i either know about or care about... that really limits the amount of things i can comment on to cars, football, boobs, 80's rock, boobs, and stupid people.

c'mon it's your turn to tag dex's hand and jump into the ring, right?

I had to go through my cd collection with an eye for things that might be considered a condonment of negative activites. Sadly i had to throw out almost everything, including Queensryche's operation mindcrime cd, which tells of an underground brainwashing network which seeks out young confused teens and forces them into a world of political and religious assasinations. Much too close to home in todays world, and i appologize for any money that might have been funneled into underground domestic terrorists from my purchase of that album in 1991, and any troubled youth that might have been swayed into seeking out such organizations from hearing the lyrics to said album blairing from my sunbird.

the guy from Five for Fighting isn't actually Superman,... this better be a freaking joke, man.

I know a portly kid who claims to have a sixth sense which enables him to sense whenever he's near an Arby's. Gsimms has a similiar sixth sense, only as it relates to internet personas referencing 80's hair metal.

Well-played, gsimms. Well-played.

Fine, please replace with "and, despite 'Elderly Woman Behind a Counter in a Small Town', Eddie Vedder, while possibly behind a counter in a small town, is not an elderly woman."

If I make a YouTube video of myself singing Pour Some Sugar on Me, should I be fired from my job for glorifying a culture of sexual objectification and promiscuity?

I stand corrected on my remarks about Leach being an effective passer.

Um, why isn't it taking my line breaks? This is illegible now.

Ease up, there. 1. I can plausibly buy the argument that Jarboe should have never been at Oklahoma in the first place. He brought a gun to school, and that's fucked up. 2. However, Oklahoma saw fit to let a borderline felon into their school. This required, at least, a tacit acceptance of what he did - not that they condoned it, obviously, but that they were getting in bed with a kid they KNOW brought a gun to school. 3. They knew he did that, but let him in. Not he's gone. So, what changed? Obviously, the video.  4. Taking anything said in an amateur free-style rap, or any music, for that matter, seriously, is folly. Just as Johnny Cash did not, actually, "shoot a man to watch him die", you can't take anything Jarboe says at face value. Bon Jovi wasn't wanted dead or alive, the guy from Five for Fighting isn't actually Superman, and Roger Daltrey was nor dumb, deaf, or blind, and he probably wasn't that good at pinball. The point? He said things that some people find offensive - and the people that do find it offensive show a patent inability to divorce something said in a song - a place, where, I think, I've established people frequently say things that aren't literally true - from their actual intentions. This is from someone with no vested interest in Oklahoma at all, so him not playing football does not, really, effect my college football viewing world.

I read somewhere that Nick Perry has not been cleared to practice with USC. Seems there may be qualifying issues. Does anyone have more info (sorry if it has been discussed).

i miss paragraphs

Good freaking christ, I'm thoroughly enjoying the whiny excuse-making on behalf of Jarboe, which is typical whenever a coach lowers the boom on some witless punk. And Jarboe practically defines the term. It's interesting that so many blithely dismiss his boastful, mysoginistic references to shooting other African-Americans while black kids are being shot on the streets every day and funerals are a weekly occurrence. The typical defense amounts to "it's just words, man, lighten up! You're just old and white." Funny, but I don't think I'd see the same reaction if some white idiot wearing a Confederate flag t-shirt bragged about shooting black people. But if it's a black athlete bragging about shooting black people, the teary-eyed excuse-making starts in earnest, which is basically code for white football fans saying "hey, he's really, really talented and I want to see him play!" Apparently nobody is able to put themselves in Stoops's position, either. Getting booted off the team isn't just about the video; if that's all it was, then there would have been some sort of suspension at most. It's that it followed his arrest for bringing a gun to a fucking school. If Jarboe had a lick of sense he would have realized that after the arrest it was time to walk the straight and narrow. With this wonderful impromptu performance, he essentially said to Stoops, "Fuck you, I don't give a shit about your stupid standards." Stoops—who can be faulted for recruiting and signing this moron in the first place—had absolutely no choice, assuming he wanted to retain any credibility as a leader of young men. If anyone mocks the importance of that, then it'd be big fun to see them make that case to Red Berenson's face.

As much as I hate to admit this..... I was there And I can assure you that as a QB, Ricky Leach was a great Right Fielder. Were it still a completion if caught after one bounce, his numbers would have been triple.

I'm I the only loser that can't get that clip to play?

Thoroughly enjoyed.

My junk moved a little when she did the tiger noise.

You are correct. When the old-school skeptics are worried about the future of Michigan QBs, tell them not to think "Pat White" but instead "Rick Leach." THAT is the future for QBs at Michigan. Able to both Run AND Pass very effectively.

Man, watching that video of Rick Leach, that is the quintessential QB for Rich Rod's offense. Oh what could've been...

...like a tiger I laughed so hard I almost cried.

Dude, that was fucking beautiful.