I'd say Rick Leach and Harbaugh for the ROH as well.
Mike Hart, Tyrone Wheatley and Tshimanga Biakabutuka
Brady, Bernie. Bernie, Brady. Man, local sportscasters never die.
Bernie's "Hoke impression" is… something.
Yes and no. Desmond Howard wants his number retired or a statue or something:
"You travel around and you see how a lot of these programs have retired jerseys of players who haven't even accomplished some of the things on the field like myself and Woodson have accomplished," Howard said. "It's just a way they try to honor their players."
At Oklahoma and Florida, for instance, Howard has seen statues of former players.
Howard says Michigan is now more receptive to change.
"You look at these things and you understand the tradition and the way Michigan has handled that in the past, but obviously, you kind of got to get into what's happening now," Howard said. "We're moving in that direction. Just like … the stadium — you update your stadium to keep up with the competition."
I'm not a fan of retiring numbers. I like seeing a guy out there rocking the #2 or #21 and being reminded of Howard or Woodson (and usually how much less good at football the current guy is than Howard or Woodson). I wouldn't mind a Ring Of Honor bit where they have the names in the stadium. With the boxes there's even a place to put them.
Statues are cheesy unless you are deceased, and sometimes even if you are.
Q: if there was an in-stadium commemoration thing who would be on it?
I'd probably grab one guy from the 1969 team to go with the obviously obvious ones and call it a day. Add one name per year starting with Harmon.
I'm not sure if there's any upshot here except the car stuff going further back to Clarett and the lack of reviews for Tressel. Pryor entering the supplemental draft when his stock is poisonous certainly implies the NCAA will find him ineligible for car-related hijinks Ohio State started right at and chose to ignore.
Strike while the iron is hot, which it is because you just breathed on it. The "Mankato" in Minnesota State Mankato seems likely to become useful instead of redundant, because DUCK—
Flames all up in here, all golfin' and stuff. Also this guy:
Moorhead is a DII program with no hockey program… yet. They just announced today that they're looking for $37 million to start one and already have 15 in soft commitments. They're looking for the rest in the next three months; if they make it the WCHA will no doubt snap them up. And then everyone gets to play against the Dragons.
Mwahahaha. Rivals has just released its state rankings for Michigan, and Brady Hoke All Your Base Co. has secured five (RJS, Ross, Richardson, Funchess, and Godin) of the top seven. Michigan is heavily involved with the two others, Aaron Burbridge and Danny O'Brien). MSU's first commit is #8 Jamal Lyles, and it's a little surprising Ben Braden isn't ahead of him—he's been killing people at camps and I was under the impression he had a shot to move up to four stars. Maybe that was Scout.
Etc.: LSU is still oversigned by seven(!) in the middle of July. They've been "transparent" with the kids this time around, so at least the guys know two of them are totally screwed. Les Miles == NFW. Meanwhile, South Carolina people are upset because Spurrier didn't renew the scholarship of a track walk-on who got one last year. I'm high on the zealotry scale when it comes to oversigning but that one fails to stoke any outrage with me.
MVictors on old-timey polls. Dodd suggests college football's cleanup needs to start at OSU. Okay by me. Stewart Mandel's version of "Brady Hoke poops magic." Wojo on the open door in Ohio. Glenn Robinson hooping it up. No one closes the barn door or writes open letters like the Ohio State Buckeyes. The SBN ND blog is newly extant. Alex Massie likes the CFB blogosphere.
I'd say Rick Leach and Harbaugh for the ROH as well.
Mike Hart, Tyrone Wheatley and Tshimanga Biakabutuka
It would have to be Mandich, unless someone wants to make a case for Moorhead.
a certain coach from 1969?
But then how do you leave out Yost or Crisler. I think coaches go into their own wing.
Howard was a phenomenal player but if we're gonna start honoring people with statues or retired #'s, I gotta believe that there are a number of coaches (Yost, Bo & Carr) that deserve statues before former players should have their number retired.
If Braden jumps Lyles (totally possible) and we pick up O'Brien and Burbridge (also totally possible) we'll have the top 8 in-state players. I don't know if that's ever happened.
EDIT: The othere crazy/cool thing is no out of state Big Ten team has signed a Michigan player yet. Now, I'd rather an in-state player sign with Indiana than Toledo, but it's nice to see all of the Big Ten calibur recruits have decided to stay in-state, up to this point.
EDIT: Aww, what the heck, is embedding disabled now?
FIRE POWER RAWRRRRR
Bernie Smilovitz does a bad Kevin Nealon impression doing a bad Brady Hoke impression.
Yes, but he does a fantastic impression of Eli Zaret doing a bad Brady Hoke impression.
I vaguely remember that Bernie had a run on WNBC (NBC affiliate in NYC) in '97?. It was a short run and then he went back to Detroit? Is that right, or am I on drugs?
But he did briefly try to hit the "big time" by going to NY, was replaced by Van Earl Wright, they both crashed and burned, then Bernie replaced VEW.
I think if you win a Heisman, you get a statute or bust or something. I think you also have to give A.C. and Bo one.
I am with you on the in stadium recognitions up to the fringe folks. Beyond that, I like Long, Jansen, Harbaugh (even though he married Coach K's daughter and rooted against us in the tournament among other things).
Braylon was a Belitnikof winner, 3rd overall NFL draft pick, multiple record holder and arguably the best receiver we've had (at least in the top group with only AC and Desmond).
He's been a little mouthy about stuff during the RR era, but he was an amazing player for Michigan.
You also realize that most of the alumni and fans who would care were also on Operation: Submarine RR, right?
And I agree with the douchey pro behavior, and although I don't think that should count since it's after he was a college star and everything, but if you take his after college behavior into account, so should also include the money he's donated to endow the #1 jersey and all that money he gave to Detroit schools.
OJ's jersey is still retired at the Coliseum, and I highly doubt Braylon's actions will ever rival his. I've had this discussion with my USC alum brother-in-law, no matter how much of an asshole OJ is, it doesn't change that he was a badass football player in college.
Are you one of those people who thinks Pete Rose shouldn't be in the HOF?
Tom Crean's sister?
I think Crean married Harbaugh's sister.
I'm very afraid I will not be able to sleep tonight after watching that "impression"
I'm split on retiring numbers. We already have some retired, and I think Howard and Woodson have earned it. But I would prefer if players who wanted 2 or 21 had to ask Woodson or Howard to wear it (but they won't always be around to give their blessing). So I don't know, but there should be something.
If Moorhead state gets a hockey program going they are smack dab in the center of one of the richest areas for hockey talent. They are in northwestcentral minnesota if that makes any sense. I can tell you this because i live in fargo northdakota which is like ypsilanti to ann arbor they are right next to each other on the border of minnesota and north dakota. Fargo has a junior hockey team in town not to mention the talent in minnesota. I know people probably think they will be a pushover and they may be for a while but count on in 10 years them having a solid hockey team. That is one thing i definetly miss about living in Redford michigan every friday night i could make a drive to farmington hills or brother rice or walled lake western or westland these programs are decent high school football programs. Were as FargoMoorhead the talent here for football is really reallyy low the most talented football player they have had is a kid named Tyler Roehl Who i dont know if anybody ever caught the game of NDSU playing Minnesota Well Roel rushed for like 270 yards of something he is a fullback in the nfl now with Seatlle. I remeber being able to watch some really talented kids in michigan. There was one kid who i think if he would have been playing now would have made it big Frank Stanford played at walled lake western in 96.
You will probably have to add Ron Kramer to the "Essentially as Obvious" list since they did retire his number. (He was before even my time, so I can't vouch for him personally.)
I'm okay with retiring the numbers of Heisman winners, but I'm not really excited about it. I agree with Brian that it is nice to see the numbers that remind us of earlier greats. Besides, when you have 85 scholarships and don't (hopefully) ever use three digit numbers, you really can't afford to limit the pool anymore than we have already.
Made the all american team 3-times (unanimous 1st team in 1956, plus 1st team again in 1955 . . . no word on if flux capacitor was involved) . . . pretty good considering freshmen couldn't play varsity back then.
I'm sure Bernie's wife and kids like his impression.
In a way you have to hand it to him, he launched into that impression without pause.
That's some high-quality pointing, right there.
I luv it. very clever. lol
I like the only nearly untouchable number being the No 1.
Also find it incredible that C Wood is not in the UofM "Hall of Honor": http://www.mgoblue.com/trads/hall-honor.html (Howard is already).
Maybe we don't treat some of these guys well.
Do you need to have graduated from U-M to receive that? That could be the holdup.
According to Wikipedia (read: beware):
"To qualify for induction into the Hall of Honor, an individual must have "earned All-America recognition in a team or individual sport or, as individuals have established an NCAA, American or World record; won an NCAA title, or made significant contributions to the Michigan Athletic Department as a coach or administrator.""
That said, there is a nice "Hall of Honor" sortable list here:
more and more I believe that hoke is doing so well in recruiting because he is unfailingly confident in michigan and michigan football. i think that confidence really helps get people excited about michigan. no offense to richrod, but he always seemed a bit pouty and unsure of himself. i think hoke's confidence rubs off on recruits
I posted almost the exact same idea earlier. I like seeing kids out there in those numbers. I think it should be a great pre season competition to earn those numbers and motivation to live up to them. Kinda like #1.
I also love the Ring Of Honor idea. Des...you don't really need a statue. You will already be loved an remembered FOREVER. Same as Chuck. And I don't think Charles gives a damn. He's already a god. And worshipped for a lot more than football.
Van Earl Wright was awesome when he did Headline Sports for CNN. At WDIV . . . eh, nothing special. I remember they screwed him over by not letting him cover the Atlanta Olympics, even though they were in his hometown. I can't imagine how much that would suck.
That Ohio open letter to America is painful to read...I really hope the NCAA humbles them.
the open letters written to Gene Smith - linked in the bottom of the post - are surprisingly intelligble and really helped me understand some Buckeye fans ARE upset at their school.. not all are blindly believing everything is on the up and up
Maple Street Press Kickoff tells me it was someone different.
Is 2nd all time in tackles. Considering 2nd ranked rushers and sack guys (and less) are being bandied about, he belongs. Now if you want to say almost none of them deserve THAT kind of honor, I agree with you that it should be for the truly elite, all-time, special.
I've always been a big fan of Desmond, but come on!.... What happened to "The Team, The Team, The Team"? What would Bo think of Howards comments regarding jersey retirement? ....... I think we all know!
no thank you.
I had not yet read Dodd's piece on OSU and I found this bit at the end the most interesting part of the entire article:
(I can't switch to the other mode to apply the blockquote tag)
Smith, that Ohio State AD, basically said so himself last year during an interview with CBSSports.com long before the scandal broke. Smith was once a member of the infractions committee so he knows the drill. One of the NCAA's biggest conundrums remains how to penalize a school when the wrongdoers -- coach, players -- have departed. What, in essence, is fair?
"It's still an institutional issue," Smith said. "At the end of the day, the institution has to suffer."
no more number retiring. statues? ok.
i like being reminded of the greats, as well.
Desmond--you are not MICH.
Mandich, for this: On the HBO documentary about the rivalry, Mandich says, “There’s an expression in German, ‘schadenfreude,’ which means, ‘joy in the misery of others.’ Forty years later, I feel schadenfreude – joy – that it still hurts the Buckeyes, what we did on that fateful November day in 1969.” and because those who stayed looked to him as their leader.
"I'm not a fan of retiring numbers. I like seeing a guy out there rocking the #2 or #21 and being reminded of Howard or Woodson"
When you're watching the game you don't really notice, hey, there's no #98 out there. I do notice, hey, Vincent Smith is wearing #2, I hope he can live up to that number's legacy (or similar hopeful encouragement type substance).
I'm all for a ring of honor, or a placard somewhere in the stadium, or something like that. I don't think I like retiring jerseys, in a way it's a nice honor, in another way it makes the number disappear from view, and people's memories.
... for a classy, striking salute to our great names from the past.
At each end of the stadium there are now six big, bare pillars supporting the new scoreboards. These cry out for wrap-around poster-like images of our icons. Maybe coaches at one end and players at another, whatever.
Can't you just see a squinty Bo and a posing Desmond and a glaring Yost and a torn-jersey Harmon filling these spaces and greeting the faithful? Check out the latest from michiganstadiumaerials.com and tell me you don't agree.
Anybody with PhotoShop skills who could create an artist's rendering of what it could look like?
"MVP of 1934 football team; President of the United States"
Kraemer and Harry Newman