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Brian

Complying with the Norfleet Atomic Dog Act of 2560. What's better than Dennis Norfleet? Dennis Norfleet holding bread!

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Regents meeting stuff. Not a whole lot happened other than a couple of students bombing Brandon hard; they did so more professionally than Brandon handled the Shane Morris incident.

Schissel reiterated his disappointment with the way the Shane Morris incident was handled; Andrea Newman publicly supported Brandon (the earliest we can terminate her status as regent is 2018, unfortunately); Mark Bernstein was the guy who sounded like he was talking the most sense:

“The Shane Morris incident, the poor performance of the football team, that’s like a spark in a very, very dry forest. And there’s not a lot of water around right now," Bernstein said. "I think the actions of the athletic department, I believe (some) generally agree, have drained whatever reservoir of goodwill there is with Michigan football in particular. So it makes navigating this issue far more difficult.

“Therefore, it makes this moment much more complex. Is that the fault of the athletic director? Partially. But at the same time, we all care deeply about this university. We care about the student-athletes who are working hard every day at the game they love. We care about our students, our fans, our alums. We want to get this right. And that’s why it’s essential that the board support the president’s deliberative, methodical approach to this to figure out the best course of action.”

He offered a no comment when asked whether he supports Brandon, which is as close as you'll get to a "hell no" in this situation.

Yes, it is incredibly frustrating that the wheels are turning so slowly here—this is a situation in which Michigan is likely to be searching for the most important employee in the department in six weeks, with an ideal candidate probably available. If Michigan can't take its shot at Harbaugh because Brandon's not quite on the cart you'll hear the million-strong facepalm across the state. 

The impression the meeting left was still bad for the AD. Baumgardner:

There's no hiding it any longer. Thursday's meeting was standing-room only. Every major media outlet in the state was represented, most brought more than one person. And most left with one clear thought in their mind.

Brandon's future at Michigan appears to be in real jeopardy.

Thursday's meeting was a public, formal airing of grievances about the environment that's been created around Michigan's athletic department, and it left no stone unturned.

This wasn't just about the handling of the Shane Morris injury, or the athletic department's public relations debacle that soon followed. It wasn't just about the variety of stunts -- from skywriters to fireworks to ticket prices -- pulled by this department. It wasn't just about the lack of communication internally and externally. And it wasn't just about the fact that the sense of community -- and culture -- surrounding Michigan athletics appears to be on life support.

It was about all of it.

Niyo:

For the record, any buyout of Brandon's guaranteed contract likely will cost $3 million or so, not including the refreshments or confetti. But any concerns about backlash from major donors might have been assuaged by last weekend's alumni gatherings surrounding the Penn State game.

Brandon was noticeably absent as Stephen Ross, the real-estate magnate whose $200-million donation to the university last fall included $100 million earmarked for a new athletic campus, took part in a question-and-answer session with university president Mark Schlissel, who reiterated his "disappointment" in the way the Morris situation was handled.

I got a report from this meeting in which it felt like Brandon was not going to make it, FWIW.

After the regent's meeting, Brandon released a statement about how he looked forward to "repairing" his relationship with the students and announced a significant cut in ticket prices.

He also said the was looking forward to going for a walk and felt "happy."

Stitt happened. I did not live tweet the Colorado School of Mines game because I don't get CBS Sports. /shakes fist at UVerse.

bPL4Exy[1]But it went well, as Bob Stitt kind of hilariously took on a team coached by John L Smith:

Mines played Fort Lewis, John L. Smith's team. Smith's Skyhawks had just ended Colorado State-Pueblo's 42-game regular season winning streak, but they had no answers whatsoever for the Mines attack. The Orediggers gained 662 yards, scored touchdowns on each of the first four possessions, and cruised to a 56-14 win. Fort Lewis probably should have scheduled Homecoming for last week.

The Orediggers are 7-0, and oh my I have to sit down

"I treat fourth-down conversions as a turnover," Stitt told me in 2012. "We were 58 percent on fourth down [in 2012], went for 36 of them. Our opponents went for 18. We’re a lot higher percentage than 58 when it’s fourth-and-5 or less. I’ll even go for it on fourth-and-8 when it’s a situation where we’re on the 50 or their 40.

"That’s a turnover! If you get it, it’s like the defense just got you the ball on their 50-yard line. We’ve got to be able to have confidence as an offense that -– hey, when we get around the 50, Coach is gonna go for it – and the defense has to have it in their head that, hey, they’re gonna go for it, and if they don’t get it, we have to get excited and make sure the opponent doesn’t get points out of it."

Once you get past the Harbaugh/Mullen tier it gets very thin very quickly this year and a lot of the guys you'd take a poke at afterwards seem like they would be hard to get—lot of dudes with good job security at their alma mater. So… yeah. Bob Stitt.

(Yes, that is Kevin Sumlin.)

Chance of any chance. Hoke's return by the numerical projections:

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In other words

NOPE

(Although this is pessimistic now that Indiana is apparently starting a Pokemon named Zander Diamont at QB.)

That's not actually good. One of the good things about Brandon cited in an ESPN article:

The football troubles outweighed the building upgrades that Hamilton oversaw while taking Tennessee's athletic department from a $750,000 deficit to a $9 million surplus in his time at its helm. They outweigh the two top-10 finishes in the Directors' Cup, which measures a school's success in all varsity sports.

Michigan also has been in the Directors' Cup top 10 twice under Brandon and made a trip to the men's Final Four

Michigan finished in the top five every year from 1999 to 2009.

All you need to know about the last couple of years in hockey. I mean:

Everyone finishes the lift, heads to the ice through a locker room, one with a complete makeover from the last season. Gone is the sign that said, “Win the next game.” It’s been replaced with key words such as “Unity” and “Respect.”

I'm not a big chemistry guy when looking for explanations as to why things go wrong, but I make an exception in this case.

That would be nice. Hockey megaprospect Auston Matthews is "50/50" between college and the OHL:

Don Granato, the U18s' head coach, says he's "leaning" to college, FWIW.

Mathews, like Zach Werenski, Jack Eichel, and Noah Hanifin, would have to accelerate an entire year of school to arrive on campus next fall. Like BU super-recruit Eichel, Matthews is playing with the U18s despite his young age.

Interesting dynamic here: the NCAA's new autonomy push should give the Big Ten schools an edge against smaller conferences and the OHL. A couple weeks ago the league announced a raft of benefits including full cost of attendance scholarships and a "lifetime educational commitment" that stands in stark contrast to the OHL's current policy, in which playing pro hockey on any level for more than a year makes your scholarship package evaporate.

Meanwhile a school like BU is big time in hockey but in conferences that are not going to follow suit; the OHL will also have to step up its game to maintain its level of attractiveness.

HELLO ANN ARBOR. Ennui levels reaching critical.

Etc.: Brian Phillips on Landon Donovan is an auto-link. Bye week means it's Ufer time. Michigan has a very pretty story on Willis Ward. The plight of the long snapper.

Comments

Njia

October 17th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^

What I really like about him is that it's pretty clear - even beyond the strategy of going-for-it on 4th-and-whatever - that he wants his players to have the time of their lives when they're playing the game. I have to believe that a guy like Norfleet would thrive in Stitt's system, as would many, many other players.

evenyoubrutus

October 17th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^

Depending on how the 49ers do, the timing of the AD turnover may turn out to be a positive. Michigan may not even get a chance to talk to Harbaugh until mid to late January if he goes deep in the playoffs, which could make a conventional transition from Hoke being fired in late November a little awkward. If Hoke keeps his job until a new AD is hired in, say, mid December or early January the time line may set up well.

turd ferguson

October 17th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^

All conversation about Bob Still hinges on whether we're talking about him as HC or OC.  If it's OC, you can probably sign me up, though I need to see more about what his offense is and whether it's likely to translate well to this level.  If it's HC, there are so many major questions to answer... about recruiting, ability to handle this spotlight, plans for a defense, general rule-abiding, and on and on... that if he's the best choice we're seriously doomed.

bronxblue

October 17th, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

Absolutely.  He's a great OC if deployed properly (and I think that's always the issue with a guy who is so unconventional), but I would actively freak out if they hired him as HC.  He is not John Beilein as much as people want it to be because they kinda look alike; Beilein coached multiple D1 teams to the NCAA tournament and won consistently in the Big East with WVU.  Stitt won a bunch of DII games with an academically-rigorous program but hasn't shown much evidence of great recruiting, player management, alumni bonding, etc. that you need for an HC at the major-college level like UM.  We crapped on Hoke because he was basically a .500 coach before he came to UM; at least he got that .500 record by taking teams like Ball St. and SDSU and getting them to be winners.  Maybe Stitt turns into a Tressel and is a great hire, but that is definitely not a sure bet. 

funkywolve

October 17th, 2014 at 2:59 PM ^

I don't even know if the Tressell/Stitt comparisons are legit either.  Tressell's 10 year career as an assistant coach was all at FBS schools (Akron, Miami(OH), Syracuse and Ohio State).  As I mentioned in another post, Stitt has spent his entire career at D2 or lower with the exception of 2 years at Harvard. 

Tressel grew up in Ohio, went to college in Ohio and other then the 2 years at Syracuse spent his entire coaching career in Ohio before he became the head coach at OSU.  So Tressell probably already had a lot of established relationships with Ohio and Western PA high school coaches.  Instead of recruiting the mid level guys from those high schools, he was now going to be recruiting the top level guys. Stitt hasn't been anywhere near Michigan, Ohio, PA - the prime local recruiting areas for the Big Ten.

bronxblue

October 17th, 2014 at 4:28 PM ^

Absolutely.  And I don't think everyone is trying to make the analogy.  But I've seen people say that OSU got a good coach taking a chance on a DII guy, and that UM could also take a chance.  I'm just not buying it.

jmblue

October 17th, 2014 at 3:23 PM ^

Stitt shouldn't be compared to Tressel at all.  Tressel was an OSU assistant (under Earle Bruce) before he became Youngstown State's coach.  That's a big difference.  He knew their program and big-time football.  He'd sold their program to recruits.  Like Hoke, he was an ex-assistant "coming home" (though unlike Hoke, he'd won big).  The one thing OSU fans knew they were getting in Tressel was a guy who absolutely knew the landscape in Ohio.

Stitt's a guy in the middle of nowhere, with no experience of major football anywhere, coaching future petrochemical engineers.  

 

 

 

bronxblue

October 17th, 2014 at 4:30 PM ^

Absolutely.  I imagine that 99% of Michigan fans wouldn't know the guy existed if it wasn't for his name being brought up during that bowl game and then a certain subset of the internet making him a go-to example of an innovative coach in the lower divisions.  

Personally, if we are going to go with an unknown in terms of major D1 experience I'd rather they get a pro coach.  At least there you know they've had to deal with the type of stresses inherent at a place like UM.  Even if it is only for a couple of years before the guy takes a run at the pros, the transition time feels like it would be less.

JFW

October 18th, 2014 at 8:25 PM ^

While talking with a guy who had watched some of Bo's practices today Something crystallized for me that has been bothering me about Stitt. I never hear about his player execution/development or his defense: it's all his scheme.

He sounds like he's willing to really experiment on O and that's commendable, but I'm worried he may just be scheming his way to victory at that level. We can't know without higher level experience.

From what I've read Bo at a lower level was known for being fiery but also for being a stickler on discipline and execution. He wasn't known for his scheme. It's like what I remember hearing about John L when he came to State.

If he can't develop players and get them to properly execute it would get ugly quick. And that's a huge risk for is now because our next coach will be with us a few years.

Beating a John L D isn't that impressive. If Stitt's players don't execute at a high level MSU will laugh at his scheme. I'm willing to bet they'll have answers.

States' scheme is boring. But they execute at a high level, and they develop players for it, so it works.

To be fair, I don't know the guy. Not have I even seen his teams play. I'm just worried given his level of competition and the fact that all the hype I hear about him is that he schemes well.

I'd feel a lot better if his defenses were known for being rock solid and his offenses, what ever scheme they ran, were known as precision executing machines that dovetailed with their defenses.

alum96

October 17th, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^

Kansas should go after Stitt as the writeup on Stitt indicated in the message board post today.

They have a lot of money they are paying for Weiss for years to come so Stitt is very economical for a school without football donors out the wazoo, are in a conference where offenses rule and defenses (aside from 2-3 ala Kansas State) are a rumor and are a nothingburger football school with nothing to lose.   It's a dead end job for most but would be a place for Stitt to show he either has it or doesn't at FBS.

If he can build Kansas into Texas Tech north - a ho hum program that puts up a lot of points and plays no defense, in 4 years than he could be considered for larger jobs.  Plus he is from Kansas. 

TESOE

October 17th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

Hoke recognizes Sypniewski’s subtle inaccuracies when other coaches might not. “He notices when I screw up because he also knows what it is to screw up, too,” Sypniewski said.

FTW - gloriously taken out of context.

DarkWolverine

October 17th, 2014 at 1:14 PM ^

Brian and Speculation
I very much enjoy Brian's writing and rely on him for great information. So much so, that I take his postings and tweets seriously, hopefully when intended. Heard Brian on Ira/Sam radio show where a caller asked Brian about the accusation of Brandon trying to get medical staff to misrepresent the facts of Shane Morris situation. Brian is investigating this via FOIA requests. Brian stated it was pure speculation, citing no evidence. Many posters have taken Brian's speculation and treated it as fact. Same has happened with some of Bacon's statements-pure speculation, but not stated as so until much later. Thought leaders like Brian/Bacon need to be aware of this and state when they have information, rather than speculation. Perhaps we need something similar to /s?


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Tater

October 17th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^

I would take Stitt in a heartbeat.  I would prefer Mullen, but it might not be as easy to get him to move as it seems.  Until David Brandon started throwing money around to massage his own enormous ego, Michigan has been notoriously cheap in paying coaches.  Hiring someone with a lot of potential at a substantial discount would be consistent with Michigan's pattern.  

I don't like the way Carr and friends sabotaged Rich Rod, but even I can see that Carr was underpaid for most of his tenure at Michigan.  The prevaling attitude seems to be that coaches should take less money for the "privilege" of coaching at the University of Michigan.  

That attitude is not going to pry a Harbaugh or Mullen away from a great situation.   I am guessing we are going to be looking at the second tier.  If that happens, I wouldn't mind seeing them hire Kliff Kingsbury.  It would be like hiring "The Pirate" but without all of the maintenance.

 

DoubleB

October 17th, 2014 at 1:22 PM ^

If we're looking at Division II coaches, why not Scott Maxwell at Henderson State who has a better offense by any measure and has completely turned around the fortunes of that program. East Stroudsburg is still moving the ball at will under Denny Douds. There are at least half a dozen offensive-minded coaches at the D-II level (never mind the D-IAA / I-A level) with consistently better offenses than School of Mines.

So why does Bob Still get all the love? Oh that's right--he got mentioned on TV by Holgorson during a bowl game and the hoi polloi of the Internet decided he must be great.

miCHIganman1

October 17th, 2014 at 1:55 PM ^

Why Not Tony Annese

He was 30-4 at GRCC and now has Ferris State on its longest winning streak in decades. This year they're averaging 51 points a game while giving up only 15.

I'm not saying that we should look at a division II head coach, but if we did, I'd say he would be the better option.


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DoubleB

October 18th, 2014 at 7:24 PM ^

Annese is among a solid 2 dozen or so coaches at the lower divisions who have at least as much bonafides as Bob Stitt.

The question is why everyone is on the Stitt bandwagon? It's because he got mentioned in an Orange Bowl telecast and the Connelly's and Cook's of the world think he must be good. If we're going to analyze lower level coaches, let's get them all out the woodwork as opposed to just hopping on some Dana Holgorson quote from 3 years ago.

Are we talking about Bob Stitt as a viable head coach at Michigan if he's not mentioned during that game?

blueneverquits

October 17th, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^

How many drafts did he go through until he settled on the dry forest/empty reservoir metaphor?

 

“The Shane Morris incident, the poor performance of the football team, that’s like a spark in a very, very dry forest. And there’s not a lot of water around right now," Bernstein said. "I think the actions of the athletic department, I believe (some) generally agree, have drained whatever reservoir of goodwill there is with Michigan football in particular. So it makes navigating this issue far more difficult.

MGoBender

October 17th, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^

Just remembered that this pattern of Brandon not showing up at events is pretty well-standing.

He was supposed to be at my/our 2011 School of Education commencement.  Was on the program and everything.  Then was MIA or no announced reason.

jmblue

October 17th, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^

 

Yes, it is incredibly frustrating that the wheels are turning so slowly here—this is a situation in which Michigan is likely to be searching for the most important employee in the department in six weeks, with an ideal candidate probably available. If Michigan can't take its shot at Harbaugh because Brandon's not quite on the cart you'll hear the million-strong facepalm across the state.

 

The Minnesota game was 20 days ago.  In the 24/7 news era that might seem like a long time but to a huge public university with set procedures to abide - and a new President who is gradually familiarizing himself with the school and its athletic department - it really isn't.  Firing a man responsible for 29 sports teams and a $150 million budget is a major decision to make, and Schlissel strikes me as a pretty deliberative person. I think that is a good thing; I don't want our President making rash decisions and appearing to cave to public hysteria.  It seems pretty clear where things are headed, regardless.

In the meantime we don't need to flip out.  It's mid-October.  There is time for things to get set in place.  In recruiting parlance, this is the "dead period," and if you want to go after an NFL guy like Harbaugh, the dead period will continue through Christmas. 

 

 

 

uminks

October 17th, 2014 at 6:16 PM ^

But there are a dozen or so coaches and or assistant coaches who would have much higher HC skills then Hoke!

Hopefully Brandon will be gone by the end of the season.

Waters Demos

October 19th, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^

The Norfleet thing is really fucking stupid.  You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel with that, which is inexplicable given how much there is to talk about these days.  

Then again, stupid gifs = stupid views = stupid dollars from stupid high school or maybe CC graduates, so who am I to judge.