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Zeigler: no. This won't be news but anyone who hasn't seen it already should know that Trey Zeigler is headed to Central to play for his dad, which I find a deeply immoral decision that places family above my favorite sports team. In obviously related news, Isaiah Sykes is going to be on campus this weekend. Hopefully his transcripts are not a bloody mess of entrails.

Michigan's also going after Iowa decommit Cody Larson, a 6'9" 230 pound guy with a number of Big Ten schools after him; he could probably contribute more quickly than Jon Horford and his little pencil arms.

Side note: the NCAA has legalized "talking" to recruits when they're hanging around your campus. This is a win for common sense in general and Michigan in particular, since Michigan was guaranteed to be adhering to this rule as strictly as you possibly can and other schools… weren't.

Tate Forcier: mildly dinged. Forcier was spotted in a boot. Angelique Chengelis says it's a minor ankle sprain, the boot is precautionary, and Forcier is expected to practice today. Carry on with your panic about other matters.

You are all geniuses. There is a website that measures the overall stupidity of any particular account's twitter followers. It is called Stupid Fight. It thinks you, the MGoBlog readership, can assemble cars with your minds:

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Suck on that, Stephen Hawking. (Also owned: Eleven Warriors, Black Heart Gold Pants, EDSBS, and Doctor Saturday.) When TSB colleague Chris Littman ran a bunch of folks yesterday, MGoBlog came out with a dazzlingly low score of 3. Someone must have posted something about American Idol today. No matter: you are America's only hope.

Another QB opinion. Might as well collect 'em all. Here's the latest impression from MVictors:

I’m basing this purely on the drills but Denard looks solid tossing the ball.   Ins, outs, slants, deep – anyway you want it.   Will be watching to see how he throws into coverage but I’m buying that RR’s got a decision to make next season. … More of what I saw last week, but Gardner’s arm just isn’t on par with Forcier and Robinson right now.

That's based on a couple quick glimpses from the open sections of practice, so take it somewhat lightly but that's another tentative, caveat-laden vote for Robinson. In certain situations.

Meanwhile, Rodriguez is talking up the safeties on the Big Ten conference call:

"What we found more than anything else," he said during his Big Ten teleconference, "was a couple of guys, defensively, in the back end. … I feel better about it now than I did a few weeks ago."

MLive has the whole thing if you want to hear more Gardner panting.

Welcome to 2001. You know, I thought it was weird that the SEC didn't have high definition televisions in their replay booths. How hard is it to get a television in the press box? You tell me. These games are live. Stick a DirecTV dish on top of the stadium and maybe you won't make six soul-crippling errors a season.

So… surprise!

DVSport, Inc., the leader in state-of-the-art high definition (HD) sports replay technology, announced today its new contract with the Big Ten Conference to upgrade all DVSport Standard Definition (SD) replay systems in the Big Ten to DVSport HD Replay™ systems for the start of the 2010 football season. As part of the agreement, DVSport will also provide its SD replay systems to the Mid-American Conference (MAC).

Guh. It's not like this is important to anyone.

Patience? Anyone? I'm about ready to proclaim any and all former players' opinions of Rich Rodriguez to be not worth bothering with, whether they're good or bad. A couple of old Michigan players have knocked Rodriguez in the past couple days, and it annoys me. Amani Toomer:

I don’t think the spread offense has worked that well in the Big Ten. I think Ohio State runs a version of it successfully, but not the straight zone read of Rich Rodriguez. One problem I have with Rich Rodriguez is this. He comes into a  situation and he tries to put his system in. And I always thought the main point about being a coach, was going into a situation, seeing the players you have, and adjusting your system to your players to fit the talent. That’s what Lou Holtz was good at, but he comes in there and tries to adjust the players to his system. And to me that is not a sign of a good coach

Toomer had issues with Lloyd Carr for whatever reason. He just beefs with everyone. Someone send him a link to The Golden Age of Tin and a valium. There is so much wrong in that statement that I've already shot down; I'm tired of it. But I do love this radio guys' follow up to Toomer's comment:

That year with Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Jake Long, players that you would kill for to run a pro offense. There are so few schools that can get those guys.  But to go against those principles and make the system easier on the lineman and not utilize the tremendous wide receiver talent that you guys have had at Michigan just boggles my mind.

Behold the stunning ignorance of the average talk radio robot: Henne, Hart, and Long were gone. So were Adrian Arrington and Mario Manningham. The offensive line in 2008 was a wonky mish-mash with maybe seven halfway plausible bodies, one of whom was a guard that had been a defensive linemen just weeks before the season. I don't know why I bother disputing this stuff. It's self-evidently not the work of someone who cares whether he sounds like an idiot or not.

Meanwhile, Dhani Jones "blasted" Rich Rodriguez on Jim Rome:

"I'm not cool with him. I'm at my wits end right now. I mean, you can't come in and explain that you're going to do all this, and then your first year? Terrible. Second year? Alright -- but then terrible. You have to be able to change something if you're really going to make a statement. You have to do it within the first two years, and this is his third."

If you're inclined you can annoy the moderator at Jones's "livechat" on Saturday with questions about why he can't have a little patience that won't get through.

None of this helps. Dave Brandon is an adult and won't be swayed by talk radio, so all speaking out like that does is provide another PR hit against the program. It's juvenile. Suck it up and wait until this year is over.

Michigan Hockey Summer came early. For those unfamiliar, "Michigan Hockey Summer" refers to the hockey team's uncanny ability to have painful, unexpected departures in between the end of one season and the beginning of the next. Michigan sort of had its MHS midseason, when Robbie Czarnik left and Jack Campbell didn't sign over the course of a week. Having already paid their debt to the hockey gods, it sounds like Michigan will escape this summer unscathed. An AnnArbor.com article on Carl Hagelin and Louie Caporusso certainly seems to kill any idea either would sign:

"We want to be the leaders on this team and we want to lead our team to the championship," Caporusso said this week. "We're going to take that responsibility and we're fine with that. That's the position you want to be in. You want people to count on you.

"That's pressure, but pressure leads to excitement."

If those guys come back, which sounds more than likely, the next most likely guy to go is Brandon Burlon, a Devils draftee, and Chris Brown, a Coyotes draftee. Neither is likely to go given those franchises' history with collegians.

Knock on wood, salt, ladder, etc.

Missed an "in before" opportunity. WCH took in the OHL 1 vs 2 matchup in Plymouth en route to the Frozen Four and commented that he didn't think the level of play was particularly high and that an OHL team would probably fare about as well as the USNTDP against college opponents, and I thought "how long before some nearly illiterate CHL fan calls WCH a 'looser'?" Turns out it's approximately eight hours, most of which came between 1 and 8 AM:

You are so full of s--- it scares me…….most OHL teams would hammer the usa u 18 team,Id like to see them play the Windsor,Barrie,Missy,Kitchner,

What is it with major junior that makes defenders so pissy? Whenever I bring up something like "the USHL is on par by the numbers" or "the CHL education package is basically a scam" I get a number of emails in the inbox that amount to long-winded nuh-uhs with zero supporting evidence. It's vastly out of proportion given the tiny number of people who care about hockey period, let alone college and major junior.

Etc.: The Mathlete breaks out the most valuable defensive players last year. Surprise! Brandon Graham is a landslide #1. RVB is the top returner. GQ asks "Do Football Writers Really Know Their Xs and Os?" Attn GQ: no. I don't know my Xs and Os that well and I've been trying for five years.

Comments

Don

April 15th, 2010 at 12:19 PM ^

are directing their anger at the wrong target. RR had not run a pro-set offense for 20 years, so expecting him and his staff to suddenly implement an offense that none of them have any experience in is simply ludicrous. RR was regarded across the country as one of the hot young coaches precisely BECAUSE of the spread option offense he ran at WVU and at his previous OC stops. Being mad at RR for putting in his spread offense is like getting a pet lion and then getting angry when it eats your cute little pet bunnies you've got running around the house. No, if you're irritated at RR implementing his offense full-bore from the get-go, the person to get mad at is the guy who hired him in the first place: Bill Martin.

Greg McMurtry

April 15th, 2010 at 1:24 PM ^

and bring up this point to people who want to blame RR 100%. These same people usually end their rant with some sort of ad hominem attack due to lack of support for their argument. They simply can't pose a real argument because of their hate for RR. I wholeheartedly agree that these people should be angry with Bill Martin, yet they aren't for some unknown reason. It is a waste of time and energy debating with these people as it almost always ends with "you're stupid, RR sucks." And if the debate is on a message board it usually ends with "'your' stupid."

Kilgore Trout

April 15th, 2010 at 1:35 PM ^

I don't hate RR. I think he's entertaining and plays an exciting brand of football that I would love to see succeed here. I hadn't heard of mgoblog when he was hired so I don't have a comment history to back it up, but when he was hired, I thought it was a going to be awesome. That doesn't change the fact that I don't think he's done a very good job so far. Bill Martin surely deserves some blame. He took a chance on bringing in two system guys that will basically determine his hiring legacy.

bronxblue

April 15th, 2010 at 12:50 PM ^

People need to stop asking former players their opinions about issues they have little direct knowledge of. I liked Toomer and Jones when they played at UM and in the pros, but I never thought either of them were connected to the pulse of the programs when they left. They wore the UM hats and shirts because UM was a winner and they were proud of that, but they also haven't run through the tunnel in Ann Arbor for nearly a decade+. I fully expect their opinions of the program to be furnished by a couple of national posts and a "I hate to lose" mentality, and that is fine by me if they were not afforded pulpits to spout off with these uneducated views. My limited interactions with Dhani make me believe that he is a thoughtful man who probably started to talk a bit quicker than his brain could process, and probably would take back a bit of the venom in his rant on Jim Rome (who loves to instigate). With Toomer, he hasn't played for UM since I was in Junior High, so his opinion on the direction of the program is closer to the blue hairs than a former player. I think we as sports fans fall into the trap of giving too much credence to the opinions of athletes on their sports. Just because you are big and strong and can catch a football does not mean you are educated enough to comment on the coaching staffs, the offensive philosophies, and the inner-workings for squads that you have not interacted with in years. Heck, Rosenberg is probably more connected to the program and has better insights into its current state, and we all know how much gravity his remarks are given. I get it that former players hate to see their programs denigrated, but that is part of life. By speaking from a place of ignorance on the matter, though, all you do is fan the flames of passion that fuel the uninformed masses while making it more difficult for the current crop of UM players (who care as much about this team's legacy as you do) to succeed. So to Toomer, Jones, Braylon, Brady, et al. - if you have nothing informative to say, just say nothing.

Bando Calrissian

April 15th, 2010 at 1:06 PM ^

Yet if Dhani or Amani had gone into a lengthy rant about how much they love RR and think Michigan is on the right track, you and others would be starting thread after thread singing their praises and encouraging other NFL players to do the same. If anything, all of us get worked up way too much no matter if the comments are positive or negative about RR. Just because they don't say what you want to hear doesn't mean they don't have the right, as former Michigan letter winners, to state their opinion. If anything, they have more of a right to take ownership of this program than any of us do. We never played for Michigan. They did. Their reputation as professionals has a lot more to do with the success of Michigan football than ours does, that's for sure.

lbpeley

April 15th, 2010 at 1:42 PM ^

I believe his point is that saying negative things don't help the image of UM at all. Of course we'd encourage them to say good things about the program because it looks good to the masses. If you're concerned or unhappy about the current state or direction of the program bitching about it to any mud slinging journalist who'll listen does nothing to help the situation. As for your second paragraph I doubt you could have made less of a point if you'd just randomly mashed your fists onto the keyboard. Nobody is denying their right to say anything. People are commenting on the futility of these players' statements and how they are helping no one. As for their reputations as professionals hinging on the current state of UM football, that is a total farce. These guys are a decade+ removed from playing for UM and their professional careers in the NFL are pretty much over. What they accomplish(ed) in their long careers and how fans perceive them in the NFL have no bearing on how UM football is doing right now, much less how UM was back in their day.

bronxblue

April 15th, 2010 at 11:15 PM ^

This notion that just because the person once played for UM gives them carte blanche to critic the program going forward is what I am railing against. By analogy, I graduated from the EECS department years ago, way before they created the CS building and all the other renovations that were made to North Campus. Yet by the definition employed with former players, I could have an opinion on the matter and would well be within my right to speak about the school. Sure, if I said it was good and it actually sucked, nobody would really care except to perhaps ignore my commentary as uninformed. Yet if I trashed the new facilities but they turned out to be awesome (which I hear is the case), then the damage I my words could do to the school's reputation might be rather pronounced. That's my issue with guys like Jones and Toomer lashing out at the program - their words are given excess weight as compared to the depth of their knowledge.

chitownblue2

April 15th, 2010 at 3:33 PM ^

No shit. I mean, for the record: I disagree with what Amani and Dhani are saying, but I don't have a problem with them saying it. Toomer and Jones played in Rose Bowls for Michigan - Jones won a National Championship. Nobody here knows how it might hurt them to watch a dynasty they helped perpetuate appear to decay, or crumble. And never would I venture to say that a guy that played in the program for four years, who has forgotten more football than I will ever, ever know, "speaks from a position of ignorance". I think that judgement should come from someone who actually knows something about being part of a football team.

bronxblue

April 15th, 2010 at 10:08 PM ^

I agree that they know a great deal about football, but that does not mean they know any more about this particular UM team than anyone else on this board. Do you honestly think that Armani Toomer has tried to learn much about the direction of the program since he left? Based on his comments that RR needs to run a system that best utilizes all of that WR talent he inherited (which last I checked was Greg Mathews and a bunch of freshmen) and not the system that made him one of the best coaches in the country, I feel fine saying that Toomer is speaking from a position of ignorance about this team. Listen, I get that these guys hate to see their alma mater lose - I'm an alum and it bugs me too. And surely their words deserve more credence than mine because they were so intimately involved with the team. But with that credence comes a responsibility to provide informative and knowledgeable discourse, not rants and ill-informed opinions masquerading as prescient football analysis. I'll always root for Toomer and Jones because they are alums, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they say just because they wore the Maize and Blue.

bronxblue

April 15th, 2010 at 10:11 PM ^

But you missed the important part of my quote - I didn't just say from a place of ignorance, but from a place of ignorance "about this matter." That is a real difference. I'm not saying that Jones or Toomer are less knowledgeable about football than anyone here at MGoBlog, but I am saying that I have my doubts about their insights into this program right now.

Don

April 15th, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^

According to my 2008 copy of Phil Steele, in 2007 this strong group of returning starters: • gave up 4.0 yds per carry to all opponents, which tied them for eighth in the conference. • gave up almost 400 yds in total offense to App St • gave up 624 yds in offense to Oregon • gave up 417 yds in offense to Northwestern • gave up 304 yds in offense to EMU • gave up 477 yds in offense to Wisconsin While RR and staff have to take responsibility for what happened on their watch, I would say that the defensive credentials of the returning starters were not particularly impressive.

jg2112

April 15th, 2010 at 3:04 PM ^

The only reason that the 2007 Michigan defense did not compare statistically (at least on the ppg) with the 2008 or 2009 vintages........ .....was because they played the worst teams that Notre Dame and Minnesota produced in the history of their respective programs, and Ohio State stopped passing the ball after the middle of the second quarter.

TrppWlbrnID

April 15th, 2010 at 1:20 PM ^

DHANI was one of my favorite players on the 97 team. the next year, i was all excited for them to repeat since dhani and a lot of the rest of the D came back. then syracuse happened. perhaps someone should remind dhani of donovan mcnabb's one billion yards of total offense in that game and how developing a system works.

Don

April 15th, 2010 at 1:23 PM ^

Sure, I would prefer that they keep their criticisms behind closed doors, but they don't deserve to be savaged because they express unhappiness with how things have gone. When you lose lots of games, no group of alumni players is going to be 100% ecstatic; to expect otherwise is wholly unrealistic. When RR is able to put together a team that wins far more than it loses, the criticism will largely die away. If he can't do that, then the criticism of former players will be the least of his troubles.

uminks

April 15th, 2010 at 1:38 PM ^

LC or Bo were coaching the 2008 team, I doubt they would have made it to .500. We had no division 1 QBs, the OL was sub average, all opposing teams knew we could only run the ball. The defensive line was the most talented but they even got beat up by Toledo!!! Going into 2008 I didn't realize how poor our defense would be. I thought we could go 7-5 just on defensive strength alone. Last years record was not a big surprise to me given our defensive weakness. RR will still need a year or two to rebuild the defense up to typical UM standards. This year I'm just hoping our offense can hold on to the ball longer and score some more points, and may be we can get back to or above .500 this season!

blueheron

April 15th, 2010 at 2:23 PM ^

Radio guy: "That year with Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Jake Long, players that you would kill for to run a pro offense. There are so few schools that can get those guys. But to go against those principles and make the system easier on the lineman and not utilize the tremendous wide receiver talent that you guys have had at Michigan just boggles my mind." He's not alone. I'm convinced that some of the cognitively challenged Michigan fans have started blaming RichRod for Appy State. Similar fans have equated the '08 bowl win with winning the national championship, since, after all, Florida had won it only a year ago. These types also refer to the '06 OSU game as "one step from the national championship" (because, after all, OSU went on to win it).

jamiemac

April 15th, 2010 at 2:43 PM ^

Not to mention, all the national titles and undefeated seasons won by Bo I think of this every time Lloyd haters rail on him losing games he's not supposed to. I mean, come on people, thats been a Michigan tradition long before I attended my first game in 1979.

jamiemac

April 15th, 2010 at 2:44 PM ^

So if the former Iowa recruit comes here, MIchigan will have signed three players who are 6/9 in height. We're going to have a lot of length and size these next couple seasons than Michigan has had in a long while. I like it

mgovictors23

April 15th, 2010 at 5:49 PM ^

I just don't understand what people think these days. All Rich has ever run is a spread but people expect him to suddenly change to a pro-style system when he gets here. We brought Rich in to change our team to the spread, not change Rich Rodriquez into a pro style coach.

wiscwood

April 15th, 2010 at 10:22 PM ^

The Michigan Football Program is in a place that is rare in its history. I don't need to state how things have not worked out recently. Also I don't need to state what kind of program Michigan has been. The College football world knows what Michigan has done. Michigan is in a new place. How often does Michigan change coaches? How often does Michigan change schemes/philosophies? When have you heard of players leaving Michigan as they did couple years ago? You haven't. Fans and alumnae are going to have to be patient. I cannot stress patience enough. RR can coach, he is getting the guys Michigan needs. They are just a little behind the timetable, I think. Michigan lost a great deal of talent and leadership the year RR came to Michigan. Players left Michigan. Other players are ripping the new coach because he was not his or their coach, really? If you don't like RR fine. Your love should be for your school. Recruits feel that vibe. Watch what happens when Michigan starts winning. You won't hear a word about RR in a negative sense. If the schism that exists within the Michigan nation does not heal, I fear Michigan may end up like ND, which is not a good thing. If anything, Dhani Jones should have said that he is not a fan of losing, and that he supports Michigan. Toomer, on the other hand must have caught Lloyd Carr's boot up his butt. Everytime he has anything to say about Michigan he is very critical. I'm an Ann Arbor born Wolverine. I have had friends that played for Michigan, and Bo. They hated him. He kicked their butts, he made them men. As time passed, they loved and respected Bo and Michigan, they won. No one disrespects Michigan in my presence, even if you are a former player. It makes my blood boil. You don't do things to tear down something, even if you are from another era. I now live in the Cheese State. Michigan means so much more to me now that I'm away from home, and I am disturbed by what is going on now. When I or anyone sees Michigan they don't see a Bo Michigan, or a Carr Michigan, or even a Rodriguez Michigan...they just see Michigan. Come together, and win Michigan!!!

mjw

April 15th, 2010 at 11:59 PM ^

I was at the same game that WCH was at (which was actually the 1 seed vs. 4 seed) and discussed the level of play issue with a few friends who I went with. My opinion was that the passing was a lot more crisp and a friend just thought that everyone was just bigger. The passing can be chalked up to the fact that hockey is all these guys do and they play way more games so they should be better at stuff like that. The size can certainly be attributed to the overagers (as WCH calls them) but maybe not entirely. So while I do think that Windsor could probably handle a college team with some ease (Windsor appears to be stacked with talent), I think Plymouth would have a harder time. But I think if we controlled for the variables given the differences between hockey as job and hockey + school I think that the college game would stack up well.

Birdman

April 16th, 2010 at 10:25 AM ^

CHL teams have rosters of NHL locks, and kids that are just not going to go to college. But they are younger in average age and have a few players that are definitely better then College players. The rest of the team is players probably at a college level but are years younger. College teams have more men on the team with all their man strengths and I would say considerably deeper rosters. Your really examining two different levels of hockey. The Canadian Womens team played a bunch of 16 year old boys, and lost most of the time, does that help?