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By Brian — July 15th, 2008 at 12:40 PM — 64 comments
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The Worldwide Leader in Eeeeeeeee. ESPN dumped a massive amount of Barwis hype on the internet yesterday. Bruce Feldman:

Barwis is a 190-pound Philly area native with the kind of presence that scares grown men. Football players, many outweighing Barwis by 100 pounds, speak in awe of the guy like he's some sort of Chuck Norris figure. His reputation, which quickly turned him into an internet star among Wolverine fans, is indeed larger than life. "I think he had a freakin' pet wolf at home," says [former WVU RB Kay-Jay] Harris. "Now, c'mon, who has a pet wolf?"

More:

Cobourne, the veteran of the workout group, says he's noticed a dramatic difference in the athletes, using Foote, an established NFL guy, as his prime example.

"I saw Foote come in at the beginning, and he'd try and lollygag a little," says Cobourne. "And Mike's like 'Look, that ain't how we do it here.' Foote wasn't used to it. But now he's going right through it. These guys see what they're getting from it, 'Man, I was never explosive like this before. Wow this is really working for me.'"

Adam Rittenberg, meanwhile, has a two part interview with Chuck Norris of the North; this is the most schwing part:

Who has stood out to you so far in the program?

MB: They're all progressing to great magnitudes. If you're looking for an example, at 287 pounds, Brandon Graham did 315 pounds on the bench press. We cut him all the way down to 250 and then brought him back up to 269. At 269 today, he did 475 for two (repetitions) on the bench. That's pretty good. Everybody's increasing across the board. They've come a tremendously long way from learning exercises in the winter as freshmen, to being incredibly strong and functional with those exercises by the time the summer ends.

1) I can't believe Brandon Graham was nearly 300 pounds last year. 2) Schwing. 3) Three is also "schwing."

Four is probably "schwing," too. There's an article in Hail To The Victors 2008 that's all about defensive coordinator Scott Shafer and his propensity to blitz from sun up to sun down. This is nothing unique: every new defensive coordinator since the dawn of time has been accompanied by a retinue of articles proclaiming the New Era of Aggressive Aggression GRRR AGGRESSION. But in Shafer's case, well...

The defense will have four goals.

1) Stop the Run.
2) Get to the Quarterback, and then hit him in the mouth.
3) Get to the back-up Quarterback.

4. Intercept the football/create turnovers and score if possible.

In Shafer's final year at Western Michigan, the Broncos led the nation in sacks; in year one at Stanford the Cardinal went from 111th to 11th. GBMW's coachBT also says Michigan will deploy a lot of press coverage. It's everybody's defensive coordinator wet dream... hopefully it works.

I'm going down in a fields of glory. This thing is on Hulu. It's a little schlocky, but it's easy to embed.

Um? I linked the Blue Ribbon preview of Notre Dame on mgolicious a couple days ago, but would like to bring it to your attention again so I can highlight this sentence:

The schedule is unusually tame, with only a home game against Michigan and road encounter at USC to end the season standing out as nearly impossible wins.

If only that was true.

Sidenote: this doesn't quite live up to last year's Blue Ribbon ND preview, which was put together by crackheads.

Etc.: The Comcast-BTN deal has been reported as "long term", but how long? Ten years. Meanwhile: commenter Blake theorizes that Michigan was so successful against Penn State because it was playing an older, crankier version of itself; JokishTacopants analyzes the OL with an assist from Phil Steele. Did you know we're 118th in returning OL starts? Probably not. Were you happier before you knew that? Probably.

(BTW, a suggestion to diarists: Use bold somewhat liberally and take advantage of the bulleting options available in the text editor; it'll make your posts easier to read.)

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Posted on: July 17th, 2008 at 1:11 PM #1
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That is seriously cool. Not
That is seriously cool. Not only did we not have NFL guys training with us under Git, we even normally had guys go elsewhere to prepare for the NFL draft (an indictment of our S&C if I've ever seen one).
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Posted on: July 17th, 2008 at 10:44 AM #2
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now an NFL training site
Can I just tell you how great it is that Michigan has had, according to Barwis, THIRTY-TWO (!) NFL players train there during this off-season. Man, that is AWESOME, and it is the ANTI-Gittleson effect. Thames is just the latest kid to walk into the building and see DOZENS of guys from "the League" all over the place in there training. Gee, you think that helps land any blue chippers???? Woo hoo! Oops, I mean...EEEEEEEEEEE!
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Posted on: July 17th, 2008 at 8:15 AM #3
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I am relatively sure that if
I am relatively sure that if coaches have contact with player prior to Aug. 4, it would be an NCAA violation. I'm pretty sure that applies to grad assistants. The only coach-organized activity that can occur now is conditioning, and the only person there would be Barwis and other trainers. Is it possible that, armed with playbooks given out in spring practice, the players have organized their own sessions? Sure. However, I would doubt that an offensive change has been implemented since the spring without a coach being involved.
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Posted on: July 17th, 2008 at 4:29 AM #4
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I thought
coaches couldn't conduct summer practices, so who's running the show? grad assistants?
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 9:44 PM #5
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Just wondering if you know what 7-7 on means, because running a spread option featuring a lot of QB runs in a 7-7 would be unproductive at best
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 10:02 PM #6
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My dearest friend, I believe
My dearest friend, I believe I also said drills.  You conveniently missed that part.  I suppose you cannot run drills wrt the read option?
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Posted on: July 17th, 2008 at 8:19 AM #7
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You also said 7-7. The fact you included it weakens your argument because it makes me believe you less. I think you should invest in Ford, they make good cars. And they are breeding unicorns that run on hydrogen power.  See - one part of that sentence was patently false and irrelevant. Kind of like 7-7 drills to Threet running the ball. But I included it anyway. Doesn't that make you doubt the validity of my first statement, since I'm obviously such a moron? 
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 6:00 PM #8
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So you're basing your
So you're basing your argument on what Rodriguez will do this year on the Qb's he's recruited (who won't be on campus for this season), and some dude who told you that they're practicing the spread option now. Which is literally impossible, because practive starts on August 4th. As the Ann Arbor News says: "Michigan's first football practice for the fall season is Aug. 4." So now I'm really confused, "dad".
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 7:31 PM #9
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From what I understand, full
From what I understand, full pads practices begin on the 4th.  However, they have been doing drills and 7-on-7s for some time now.  And this makes sense, because there's no way they could go from no practicing to game-ready in less than a month. And sorry for the "son" comment, I always thought it was funny when other people said it.  :D  Not trying to argue, just trying to give what I've been told.  I actually hadn't heard that Threet wasn't running well in practice, so my inferences are based on this unreliable piece of info.  But I'm pretty certain that Threet will remain the starter if and only if RRod feels he can operate the read option with some minimum level of efficiency.  Now if he can do that, I'm sure RRod will tweak to give him more passes for his strength too, but he's got to be able to run the basic scheme.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 5:20 PM #10
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The dog days of summer are horrible...
...and I say this under a cloud of conversation about 40 times and how they are to be applied to scrambling ability, "wiggle", and all of these EXCITING QB attributes...
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 4:30 PM #11
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So, all the practice time was
So, all the practice time was spent running a read option, and then he didn't run it in the spring game? I'm confused. You're right, it's more likely that he's going to have his 6'6" lead-footed QB run the ball 180 times, or turn the offense over 100% to a true freshman who was a 2-star recruit until we offered him. Bingo.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 5:54 PM #12
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Current practices, son.
Not practices months ago when our roster was incomplete.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 3:30 PM #13
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tjking82, This comment: "
tjking82, This comment: " You've got 2 QBs with no game experience, one of which can run your offense and one of which can't. Which one do you start?" Reveals a fundamental ignorance of RR's system. Rodriguez runs the ball 180 time a year with his QB when his QB is Pat White. Maybe this http://wolverineliberationarmy.blogspot.com/2008/07/coaching-manifesto.html will help.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 4:30 PM #14
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O RLY redux
I'm well aware that RRod has run the passing spread very well in the past.  He has also had great success with the read option, and so one might think he would be willing to implement either/or depending on his quarterback.  And to be fair, he has said he will adjust his plans to suit the talent.  However, this does not mean he will adjust his offense to THREET, which would be contradicted by the facts.  When one looks at the QBs RRod has recruited to date - Feagin, Newsome, Beaver - what is the trait they all share?  Passing prowess or running prowess?  Granted each of them can do some of both, but at least 2 of those 3 (Feagin, Newsome) are significantly better at the running portion of the QB role.  Further, all reports from practices are that they are spending an immense amount of time running the read option.  When you combine these two facts, it would seem a strong indication that he's looking to implement the WVU offense moreso than the Tulane offense, and that he's looking to do it sooner rather than later. If you really think that RRod will waste all that practice time and set the development of his preferred offense back by putting together a pass-only spread for a QB who is only marginally better than another QB on the roster who can actually run his preferred offense...well you're crazy.  Threet will most likely get a chance, and if he can run the read option wish some efficiency, I'm sure the job will be his.  He doesn't have to be fast, just to execute.  If he can't execute well enough in the run game to have the proper effect on the defense, do you really doubt that RRod will bring in another QB who can? Edit:  the formatting sucks for Firefox 3.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 3:06 PM #15
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I think I echo Barwis' thoughts on Gittleson when I say "Fuck Gittleson. Fuck him in the ear"
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 3:03 PM #16
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I'm sure that RR and Barwis watched Michigan over the last half decade and thought: "Fuckin' A. All that talent, and these guys look like they're running in mud, can't cover shit, can't tackle, and they don't even look like they're having fun" Theh they get to Ann Arbor, and I bet 100 million dollars they took a look at UM's weightroom and felt a mixture of delight and pity. But that was probably followed by seventy minutes of uproarious laughter at both what they saw and the gold mine they found themselves in. MICHIGAN. Barwis:"Ric, I have a boner" RIchGod: "Why? These weights have cobwebs on them, and this place smells like a cabin on a lake you open up for the first time in spring after a long winter" Barwis: "Rich, get a blank check from Martin and let's get a couple dumpsters in here. I told you those players were underdeveloped and undercoached. I could tell because during a game, I did not see the flaring of the nostrils, and I did not notice callouses on their hands" RichGod: "Mike, you don't miss any deatails, do you?" Barwis: "How many national championships do you want to win?" RichGod: "All of them" HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAh (the two shake hands, exchange evil glances, fade to Rodriguez retiring from Michigan in the year 2026 with nine crystal football trophies behind him, Barwis breaking Michael Rosenberg's neck, and Rita winking seductively at Sherry Acho)
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 1:41 PM #17
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barwis loves gittleson
notice how barwis praises gittleson in every interview now? he wasn't doing that a few months ago. and i'm not buying it
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 1:04 PM #18
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Ziff72 - Michigan players
Ziff72 - Michigan players under the Gittleson regime regularly had crappy bench press totals (among other things). It wasn't just Graham. It's been widely reported that NFL teams often drafted Michigan players higher than their measurables would justify because they knew they'd been training poorly. Anyway, even if it's true that a player like Graham could lose that much strength during the season, there was absolutely no excuse for him being that fat.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 12:52 PM #19
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Threet not running well? O RLY?
Obviously RRod isn't going to force him to do it. I had thought that Threet's experience and passing prowess would compensate for the fact that he's not nearly as fast as Feagin. However, if he's not as fast AND can't run the scheme... Well let's put it this way. You've got 2 QBs with no game experience, one of which can run your offense and one of which can't. Which one do you start? If there was no Feagin, and Threet has difficulty running due to the mental aspect rather than the speed aspect, RRod would tune the offense to Threet. You don't have to be fast to run this offense effectively.  But there is a Feagin, and if Threet sucks at the running half of the scheme, I suspect we'll see Feagin a lot sooner than people expect.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 12:34 PM #20
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Brian Griese had great pocket presence in '97
I can't remember what he was like prior to 1997, but that year Griese demonstrated a great ability to sense pressure coming from the backside, and repeatedly used his feet to buy time when the pocket was collapsing. IIRC the winning TD he threw to Tuman late against Iowa came after the pocket broke down and he had to move away from the rush. And Brian Griese was never going to make people forget about Steve Smith or Rick Leach carrying the ball.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 4:26 PM #21
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I love repeatedly watching the YouTube recaps from the 1997 Penn St. and Ohio St. games by WolverineHistorian.  Griese had one long scamble against Penn St. and a few other nice shorter ones that I don't think have been duplicated since then by other QBs without being in the middle of a buffalo stampede after a passback.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 3:57 PM #22
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this is meant as a compliment
he is my sigpic afterall, but brian griese reminded me of erik kramer.  Kramer was a cool cat in the pocket.  And when he got set up and let a deep ball go, you just felt it was going to be a good play.  I never got that sense with henne.  it was more of a throw it up and see what happens kind of thing on henne's deep balls.  (hah! I said "deep balls", sorry) but I think that perception might be warped because of injuries. and with the receivers we had, jump balls were a good strategy.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 12:29 PM #23
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I am as pumped about Barwis as anyone, but I think there is something you should consider before you go nuts about B. Graham's strength gain. During the course of the season I would assume players lose some of their strength due to the wear and tear of the season. I am not sure this is true or how much it effects them, but I would think logically players start at a peak Aug 1 then it is a grind of maintenance and luck to try and sustain where you were at until the end of November where you can heal up before you begin bowl prep. So B. Graham in theory could have been benching 400lb at this point last year then regressed due to injuries, being fat etc...so the gain may be more dramatic then the reality. If anyone has some real insight it may be interesting. I'm sure Barwis will not tolerate a backslide.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 1:18 PM #24
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you wouldn't lose 75 lbs off
you wouldn't lose 75 lbs off your bench (unless of course you are injuried, but then you wouldn't be on the bench to begin with)
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 1:07 PM #25
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no to all of that
when barwis' players set their personal records for bench press they did it during the season. BG couldn't bench 400 lbs ever before barwis
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 12:13 PM #26
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MRG, I purposely left out the
MRG, I purposely left out the sarcasm to see if you guys would think I was serious. Chitown, after last night that was a distinct possibility, but alas, I was/am sober. That does remind me of something to keep in mind when tailgating though- you can't drink all day if you don't start early.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 11:00 AM #27
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"escapability"
Yep, when it comes to a scrambler's prowess the guy needs to have SOME speed, but it's all about field vision, agility, and change of direction. Mike Hart runs a 4.69 40 and is hell to try and tackle in the open field. 4.57 is pretty damn fast. If someone can run a 4.57 and juke people then that guy "could" be plenty effective/elusive. But I've heard that Threet is a "straight line" guy, so his 40 time is probably going to be irrelevant. Like I've said before, he'll just need to be able to throw accurate quick hitches, waggles, and have good pocket awareness to be RR's 1st year QB.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 11:17 AM #28
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Good point
I was going to say something similar.  It's not about how fast the QB can run; there is a difference between speed and mobility, and this is applicable to just about any position.  Fleet-footedness is one way I have heard it described.  The point is, a spread QB needs some speed but also needs to be able to throw and run at the same time and have agility, field direction, elusiveness, and other stuff that caup said.  It's not just about composure in the pocket. It was bad enough that Michigan-hating god deemed it necessary to end Antonio Bass's career, but injuring both Minor and C. Brown is just cruel.  It really sucks because I bet that training one or both of them beginning in spring would have really helped this season.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 10:43 AM #29
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Your sarcasm...
...wasn't dripping enough for me to pick up. Next time, please digitally roll your eyes.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 10:10 AM #30
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I just figured you were
I just figured you were drunk.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 10:08 AM #31
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Just wondering, in what world
Just wondering, in what world do you guys live in that I'd be that idiotic? Nevermind- don't answer that.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 10:05 AM #32
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Not comparing Tebow to Threet
Just commenting on what I saw as Tebow's strengths as a runner. I have NO IDEA what Threet is going to be able to do. I just pray to god the he doesn't have the limited agility of Navarre.
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Posted on: July 16th, 2008 at 10:00 AM #33