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Brian

Kind of a big deal. As of 9 PM Wednesday, this was SI's college football front page:

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That is the lead story—a scathing roundtable from three of SI's main CFB writers—and six of the eleven top stories on the sidebar either about the Morris incident or tangential concerns (the OSU attendance thing).

Excerpts from that lead article:

STAPLES: Did Brandon throw Hoke under the bus, run him over, back up and run him over again? Or did he run him over three times? …

RICKMAN: Everyone in a position of power here is most concerned with protecting themselves, so they're passing blame around. "I didn't see it." "We didn't have enough evidence." Hoke's trying to keep his job. Brandon's trying to keep his job. At the crux of it, this is a person we're talking about. A kid who has his whole life ahead of him. And the best we can get out of an athletic department at one of the most prestigious football programs in the country is, "We should have done better." 

This is awful on all levels. …

SCHNELL: I’m not going to accuse a coach of knowingly putting a player in danger, but I will say this: People in charge do some desperate things when they think they’re close to losing their jobs. As for Brandon’s role, it’s his athletic department, and the buck stops with him. If he’s going to take responsibility, ultimately, then he needs to hold a press conference and allow questions, not email out a few paragraphs long after most people have gone to sleep. That’s a coward’s way out.

I was not kidding about "scathing."

Speaking of scathing. Stewart Mandel:

I was pretty surprised to wake up Monday morning and find that Brady Hoke hasn't been fired yet. The poor performances are bad enough, but the disregard (and flimsy excuses) for player safety should've been grounds for immediate dismissal. Is there any good reason for having him finish the season? The only thing I can think of is recruiting, but come on. Everyone in the nation knows he's gone after this year.

-- William Daniels, Mt. Morris, Michigan

Well then I can only imagine how surprised you were to wake up Tuesday morning and find out that Shane Morriswas diagnosed with a concussion on Sunday but no one thought to inform the head coach by the following day.

The Morris situation has provided a mind-numbing window into the level of dysfunction within the Michigan athletic department. Hoke’s days were already numbered due to the program’s on-field deterioration into a poster for offensive ineptitude. The only way Hoke’s team is going to a bowl game this year is if there aren’t enough eligible 6-6 teams. The Morris story only intensified the level of outrage surrounding Hoke.

Mandel goes on to say the stuff about 5-0 and we're defending the guy, and I mean… come on. If this happens to a successful coach it is a strike but not one that dooms a regime, and a sizeable majority of the anger in the Michigan fanbase right now is directed at the athletic director for the ham-handed mismanagement everyone is citing.

Additionally in scathing. They asked Don Canham's widow what she thought:

“I just think it’s gone way overboard with the crazy music and Beyonce and Eminem and that sort of thing,” Canham-Keeley said. “I guess he’s trying to cater to the students but it’s obviously not working. For me the pageantry of the football game is the band coming out on the field and the tradition of the drum major.”

“I’ve narrowed it down to fireworks, flyovers and empty seats,” she said.

“To me it’s become a circus, and that’s not what it should be. I’m born and raised in Ann Arbor. I grew up with Michigan football. That’s not—to me—Michigan football.”

She goes into the Beyonce/Eminem stuff and you're like "oh she's just old" and then she immediately cuts to how the students aren't buying it and you're like that's a fantastic point I forgot you were Don Friggin' Canham's wife.

Yet more in scathing. USA Today's Christine Brennan calls for firing everybody:

…at a Monday news conference, Hoke said Morris did not suffer a concussion. He also said that he and Brandon hadn't discussed it.

But, after midnight early Tuesday morning, Brandon released a statement in which he said that Morris had indeed suffered a "probable, mild concussion," whatever that is.

Brandon also said that he had met with "those who were directly involved" since Sunday, which clearly would include Hoke, who of course said he hadn't talked to Brandon about it.

So the two are either not telling the truth or simply incompetent. Or perhaps both.

Not in scathing. Denard Robinson spoke up for Brady Hoke's character, as did Jordan Kovacs and Elliot Mealer. Former kicker Jay Feely defended Brandon… by attacking the students as whiners.

For Students complaining about $295 season ticket prices, that's about 1/3 price of NFL tickets ... Even bad NFL teams w/ no tradition

They're not just complaining. They're not going. Yelling at them about that doesn't fix the problem. The customer is always right, right? You wanted customers. Now you've got 'em.

The oracle speaks. Detroit media jihadist Jeff Moss likes to get on Wojo for not having strong takes, but the more reasonable you are the more people pay attention to you when you come down from the mountain and say NOPE. Wojo has done so:

Brady Hoke's fate was sealed before Shane Morris wobbled on the field, before the clumsy statements and misstatements, before every media outlet in America leapt on a juicy controversy complete with compelling video.

This is on athletic director Dave Brandon now, and if Hoke should be fired, likely after the season, Brandon should be, too.

That speaks volumes.

Meta-protest. I would like to protest this from Wojo's article, though.

A few hundred fans actually marched onto the lawn of Schlissel's campus house Tuesday night chanting for Brandon's dismissal. There's a mob outrage to this, which is uncomfortable.

It's not a mob until it does something unreasonable. About a thousand people peaceably assembled, talked/shouted at each other, and then dispersed. They wanted to make a point the only way they could, and did.

Actually being there was fun. One guy nearby exclaimed "this is so much better than a home game," and I don't know that he was saying that just because he wasn't watching a football team get its jibblies kicked in at the time. Once a random hero decided to start us all in the direction of the president's house there was more passion on display than these students get to express when Michigan's blasting music at them during every lull.

After, a clearly skeptical media guy came up to me and asked me some nasty questions—"do you think this stunt will hurt Brandon's ability to hire a new coach?" was his leadoff. I was taken aback by "stunt." A stunt is something an organization does for attention. This was the opposite, a movement so grass roots it was literally unorganized.

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We want our athletic department back. If it's a mob it's got the most articulated complaints of any mob in history.

Also that guy with a megaphone takes a badass picture. Apparently he's a public policy senior:

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Just lookin' at that dude like that is more leadership than Brandon's shown this week. #ThisGuy4AD

I LIKE DAN DAKICH. He had me on his show yesterday after I tweeted something jerky out in frustration at things Mike and Mike and Colin Cowherd were saying, and I appreciate the opportunity for a half hour segment, which you can find here. A couple of clarifications and omissions:

  1. Dakich thought some of my other examples of Brandon errors were petty, and they were, but that was the point. The things the hypersensitive Michigan fans have been complaining about for the duration of his tenure have come home to roost in a major way. This is how they handle everything, and there's no reason to expect they'll change.
  2. I don't think I said the Dakich-Burke combo was creepy. I said I was "off to patent a system that turns all color commentary into Dan Dakich hitting on Doris Burke" once; a podcast demanded that "this happens over and over again. GET A ROOM! ON MY TELEVISION!" And I think that's it. For the record, she was totally into him.
  3. Apparently my level was quite a bit lower than Dakich, so when we talked over each other it was just him. Our conversation felt a lot more even to me on the phone; I thought it was a good back and forth—I've had radio appearances that I thought were unfair (cough **ALBOM** cough); this was not one of them.
  4. Dakich really is my favorite color guy other than maybe Jay Bilas right now. The reasons he's good at color can make him come off as abrasive, but I'll take that a thousand times over PRIME TIME PLAYER BAYBEEE blather. I mean, there was one time Michigan was playing K-State where Dakich called one of their post guys out for never passing the ball and he never passed the ball. Every time he got a touch we were on the edge of our seat. That's adding to a broadcast.
  5. I didn't much like the part of the interview that slid into the Guys Like Me From Gary Who Are Adults versus You Guys On The Internet Who Are Beta Males. I have a mortgage, man, and 2005-era blogger cracks are so dated.

Anyway, if he's interested I'll gladly go on any time.

Well… that's not good. Bill Connelly's updated projections foresee this:

  • 8-4 or better: 2.1%
  • Bowl eligible: 35%
  • 4-8 or worse: 33%

Michigan is expected to go 5-7 when all possibilities are jammed together.

And half of this is based on the system that was ranking Michigan 19th before last weekend. It's possible that this is a little grim since we'll probably play Gardner the rest of the way but with Utah losing to WSU it's not like we can even claim the Utes are much good.

Upshot: buy a helmet, and put it on top of your existing helmet. Then dig a bunker under your bunker.

SIDE NOTE: The chance the West winner is 4-4 has dropped to 0.1%. Dagnabit.

Offensive line starts are not particularly indicative, unless you don't have any. Buried in a random Barking Carnival post:

While O-line starts does correlate with stronger offensive performance, it’s not everything. Ohio State is the only team with fewer than 30 O-line starts performing above-average, but they’re well above average, and you don’t have to go much higher before the scatterplot becomes a field of white noise and the trendline levels out.

That said, this chart doesn’t take into account that we’re on a new offensive system and we’ve lost our QB, so the fact that we’re not too far below the trendline for our number of O-line starts is an optimistic takeaway. But honestly it’s not much to hang one’s hat on. If we start playing better, it won’t be just because the players are getting more experience – it’ll be because they’re getting more experience in an effective offensive system.

(Horizontal axis: number of O-line starts at the beginning of the year (Texas is adjusted for current personnel); vertical axis: offensive S&P; and I’m using a power law trendline, to reflect that the difference between 0 & 30 starts should be more impactful than the difference between 90 & 120)

Looks like you're good or not good and OL starts are a very minor factor, what with the random scatter of the plot.

Etc.: The MZone has come back with what's undoubtedly the creepiest post I've ever featured in. Hypothetical AD Rich Rodriguez would have handled this better than Brandon did. I am dead serious about this.

This made Inside Higher Ed, which… okay. Are we in Cat Fancy? I think that's the last outlet that hasn't covered this.

Comments

Hail-Storm

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:39 PM ^

I also hate that type of reasoning.  "You can't protest about this because there are other more important things to protest about." 

If you use this logic for everything " You can't complain, because people have it worse than you." then you also have to accept that "You can't cheer, be happy, because someone has it better than you".  So beyond just him being a huge hypocrite, his arguments are one of those internet arguments that need to end.  

Also, screw Feely and his "can't complain about ticket prices because other ticket prices are higher."  Another former player telling "fans" that they didn't earn their fandom and deserve whatever is handed to them.

Why does everyone who speaks out from the inside act like it is such a huge privilege to buy the product no matter how the fans are treated. I can see why Brandon is liked by the athletes.  Somehow the message is that they are better than the fans and could exist without us.

I really hope that the next AD (please be one) is from a program that doesn't have this type of base to extort.  That understands fans are a very important part of a program.

EGD

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^

I am tiring of these criticisms.  I am a public interest lawyer and spend my day working on shit that just about any right-thinking person ought to consider "important."  But I still care about how the athletic department at the place I went to college goes about its business. 

Also, Noam Chomsky recently said this (LINK to full article):

"When I'm driving, I sometimes turn on the radio and I find very often that what I'm listening to is a discussion of sports. These are telephone conversations. People call in and have long and intricate discussions, and it's plain that quite a high degree of thought and analysis is going into that. People know a tremendous amount. They know all sorts of complicated details and enter into far-reaching discussion about whether the coach made the right decision yesterday and so on. These are ordinary people, not professionals, who are applying their intelligence and analytic skills in these areas and accumulating quite a lot of knowledge and, for all I know, understanding. On the other hand, when I hear people talk about, say, international affairs or domestic problems, it's at a level of superficiality that's beyond belief.

In part, this reaction may be due to my own areas of interest, but I think it's quite accurate, basically. And I think that this concentration on such topics as sports makes a certain degree of sense. The way the system is set up, there is virtually nothing people can do anyway, without a degree of organization that's far beyond anything that exists now, to influence the real world. They might as well live in a fantasy world, and that's in fact what they do. I'm sure they are using their common sense and intellectual skills, but in an area which has no meaning and probably thrives because it has no meaning, as a displacement from the serious problems which one cannot influence and affect because the power happens to lie elsewhere."

 

MGlobules

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^

in the critique of Brandon. Not radical, but a clear complaint (call it Keynesian) against Brandon's perceived neoliberalism, a growing understanding on the part of a lot of people that the monetarization of freaking everything is murder, including to the institutions that we love. 

It's a tension here at mgoblog, as well. 

awould

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:29 PM ^

This argument is trotted out by every tsk-tsker and "adult" in any room an argument happens to occur. Where do you draw the line? 

First-world problems are still problems, and they're all relative to your standing. In an absolute sense, obviously this is ridiculous. If this is the big problem in your life, your life is pretty sweet. But these are kids, basically.

And who knows, maybe their activism this week on a trivial matter may lead to later activism in something that is more acceptable to you for other people to care about and spend time on, like ending world hunger or child sex trafficking or posting criticism of a what a bunch of 20 year olds care about.

BiSB

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:47 PM ^

I see we're going with the "we as a society can only solve one problem at a time, and the most pressing of problems must come first."

"My landlord still hasn't fixed the heat in my apartment."

"Okay, we'll put it on the to-do list... but it's behind war, famine, disease, and racism. So you might want to buy a space heater."

WFBlue

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:53 PM ^

Kindly list those things worthy of protest in order of importance to you so we can follow along.. Please re-rank them with the studen's likelihood of effectuating change. The fact that this issue may not be of international importance does not mean it is of none , especially for those gathered. What is the alternative?. Wait for. the administration to act?. So far, so bad. The first world problems thing is b.s.


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Ron Utah

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:40 AM ^

I like Brady Hoke.  Always have, always will.  I think he's a genuinely good man who knows how to build character and that he loves his players.

There is absolutely NO doubt in my mind that Hoke did NOT believe that Morris was concussed or in any real danger.  I do not believe that Brady would knowingly endanger any of his players.

There is also absolutely NO doubt in my mind that the situation was mishandled.  That is mostly on the training staff, IMO, and ultimately the AD.  But I don't believe the Head Coach is completely innocent, either.

A more aware coaching staff--or to go even broader, football program--would not have allowed Saturday's mess to happen.  I mean that on all levels: of course the Morris thing, but also offense, defense, and special teams.  The Morris thing is NOT, IMO, damning of Hoke's character, but rather the leadership of the program in general, of which he is near the top.

I also believe it's entirely possilbe that the subsequent bumbling with the press may actually be all honest mistakes--and I'm pretty sure that's as bad or worse than lying.  If they were going to lie, you'd think they'd have been much more clever about it.

And that's really, the problem, isn't it?  It's completely believable that the systems failed, the communication failed, and the execution was poor.  Because that is exactly the product we see on the football field.

These kids love each other, their coach, and hard work.  They play with passion, and I do believe they are a family.  But they are a family with extremely flawed leadership that lacks the attention to detail and precision to make them successful.

Brandon should be fired immediately, and with prejudice.  If Hoke can win out or have just one more narrow loss and the team turns it around, I like the guy enough to give him another season--he's put great coordinators around him, though I seriously question some other staff members (Jackson, Funk, Wellman, Ferigno).  That said, I really don't see how this team wins out, or comes even close.  7-6 or 6-6 or 6-7 are all fireable offenses; even 8-5 (unless the losses are extremely close and to great competition and one of them is a bowl) should also be a death knell for Hoke's tenure.

Which is like saying, if you can get that bus that just fell off that cliff to not only land safely but be in good enough shape to get back up the mountain, then everything will be okay.  I'm not even sure it's possible, and it's even less plausible.

JFW

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^

I think Brady knows football. I think his coordinators do as well.I think he must be a great guy to be around. I'm not going to question his character. However, this whole situation smacks of poor organization. 

 

THe players regress in their technique

The schemes aren't executed well

THe team itself seems listless.

 

While they come out and support Brady and say all the right things, they come out flat, and it never gets better. At this point, I think there is no hope because I think he has lost this team. I'm not saying they are bad kids, I'm saying that the organiation has basic weaknesses that prevent it from creating a solid team. I couldn't tell you what it is that's missing. 

 

I do wonder how much longer this team will love hoke, or be unified as they say. It seems that the foundation for all of those things (shared work, continued improvement, some success) is crumbling. 

WolverBean

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^

I couldn't tell you what it is that's missing either. And I have a strong suspicion that Hoke himself also doesn't know what's missing. I think he truly doesn't understand why this team, which he loves so much and which practices so hard, simply fails to perform on Saturday. Playing Morris reads to me as shaking things up / pressing buttons at random, because it's clear that SOMETHING must be done, but Hoke has no idea what the right something actually is. So we've reached the throw-it-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks stage. Which, admittedly, is not that different from both the very understandable O-line shuffling and much less understandable DB shuffling from last year too. If you're looking for a pattern of evidence that Hoke is in over his head, I think this is it.

matty blue

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^

mrs canham makes a fantastic point, one that i'm not sure has been previously articulated in quite the same way.

if you're going to say that the 'value-added' crap makes the experience more appealing to the students...well, there should be at least some evidence that the students approve.

instead, we have a student section that gets roomier every week, and now you have students that are actively campaigning against the things you do.  so why the hell are you doing them?

wow experience my ass.

Monocle Smile

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:45 AM ^

Stuff like this is why the "durrrrrrr, none of you would be whining if we were winning" crowd is delusional. The national media folk are every bit as contemptuous as the Michigan writers.

Kermits Blue Key

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^

Does the local news station here in Raleigh give a shit about Michigan's record? No - but they featured the Morris incident anyway. The ESPN announcers during the game don't give a shit about Michigan's record - but they were nonetheless appalled by the incident while it was happening. Many people who don't care about Michigan's record care about the story, so what's their angle? 

Erik_in_Dayton

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^

There is no way in hell Coach Hoke left Morris in the game because he thought that might be the difference between winning and losing. 

EDIT: I didn't see that los barcos made the same point above.

Blue and Joe

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^

Man, that Rich Rod article hurts.

"we thought we were getting better, by the time we got to year four or year five, we thought we'd be ready to compete for championships."

I completely believe they would have.

MileHighWolverine

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

How about the performance before he got here at WV and since he left for AU where he has a better record than us 2 years running in a harder conference and with a less talented roster.

Are you willing to acknowledge any of those points? You keep hammering me about "wanting things both ways" - which is complete bullshit - considering you can't even acknowledge the issues he had here that lead to our dismal record weren't 100% on his coaching ability.

What are you going to say when Arizona is a power team in the pac 12 in 3 years?

section17

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^

Devotion to Rich Rod. You better believe it. You people here deserve both David Brandon & Beady Hoke. You knew the rumors about how Lloyd and all his players back stabbed RR after he got here. A job he applied for because Carr called him and told him he would be a great fit at UM. I was a avid UM fan for over 50 years and a season ticket holder for many years too. After RR was run out of Ann Arbor by this lying AD I made up my mind that I wanted nothing more to do with this program. Devotion, you better believe it. By the way what was RR's record last year and this year? Please keep both of these clowns.

SalvatoreQuattro

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^

WAY too much incompetence displayed by RR and his staff  for one to logically conclude that success was around the corner.Horrid defense that was getting worse each year, special teams was disaster,offensive futlity against good teams...frankly, I don't see any statistic in RR's favor other than the improvement in overall wins. That's a convenient, but superficial look. Ron English's EMU teams saw improvement from Year One to Year Three. So did Jim Schwartz. Guess what Year Four had in store?

 

Many times year-to-year progression is a mirage. Such is the case with RR.

 

Look at who RR beat. Other than ND who? And even Hoke has managed to do okay vs ND.(2-2) So really how impressive is a win over ND? 

Rich Rodriguez was treated like crap here. That is indisputable. Butthe  belief that he was close to success is  rubbish. His offense displayed no ability to move the ball and score against good teams. His defense and specials teams got worse. I just don't see how you can believe that success was around the corner when almost all the data suggests an implosion in Year Four.

MileHighWolverine

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:39 PM ^

except for what he did at West Virginia before coming to Ann Arbor? Do you think he suddenly forgot to coach when he got here? 

He probably gets blown out against Oregon tonight because he has a FR QB but I'll be willing to bet his season ends with a better record than ours for the 3rd year in a row in a more difficult conference than the B10. 

If that happens, would you admit he's a good coach then?

Rabbit21

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^

He's a good coach, but for a myriad number of reasons it didn't work out here and likely wasn't going to even given time, defense was bad, there was no depth, recruiting was a disaster, and he didn't win one "do-or-die" game.  Arizona and WVU are perfect fits for him and I wish him well as I think he's a good guy who got caught in a bad situation.  But thinking he got fired toos oon and success was juussssttt around the corner is a fallacy.

ST3

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

The team went 11-2 the year after Rich Rodriguez left. To believe that he wasn't close to success is to deny his contribution to that season, and instead credit the current coaching staff with that success. The current coaching staff has seen the team go from 11 wins, to 8 wins, to 7 wins, to losing by a cumulative score of 86-24 to teams with a pulse. Look at Minnesota's offense on that chart. They are at < 40 arbitrary units, and they ran us off the field.

The word "turnaround" gets thrown around a lot here. The program was going in the wrong direction when Lloyd left - The Horror, getting blown out by Oregon, leaving the incoming coach with no offense to speak of, leading to a bottoming out of 3-9 in Rodriguez' first season. He turned the program around and started us towards a winning record and a BCS Bowl in the year after he left. Hoke has turned the program back around the wrong way and led us back to the late Carr-era years, only we're worse now.

MGolem

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:35 PM ^

Ryan Mallett and probably Adrian Arrington went to greener pastures when they saw who the next coach was going to be (you could make the argument that Manningham is in this boat as well). IF Rich Rod had kept those guys in the fold the offense would not have been the disaster that it turned out to be. The cupboard was not empty upon Carr's retirement but that changed very quickly.

section17

October 2nd, 2014 at 2:03 PM ^

What planet are from? You know nothing about what you are talking about. Lloyd Carr talked Mallet into leaving and the other quarterback too. RR started without a scholarship quarterback on staff. Tell me since obviously you are so smart on Michigan football or this question is for any of you people that think you know so much about Michigan. Tell one thing. Why did Lloyd Carr call Rich Rod and recommend that he apply for the Michigan job? Why would he do that then turn around and do everything in his power to make turn RR failed? Tell you smart people.

MGolem

October 2nd, 2014 at 5:20 PM ^

And get all insulting but I presume you know that Steven Threet was a scholarship quarterback, and at more than one school I might add. I would love to hear a recording of Carr telling Mallett to leave but I suppose you don't want to share your personal copy with anyone...

I was not pointing the blame at anyone; Mallett most likely saw that he was not a good fit for Rodriguez and he left. Simple as that.

ST3

October 2nd, 2014 at 2:11 PM ^

So let's give Carr the benefit of the doubt and suppose Mallett came back. Who was his plan B? What if Mallett had gotten injured? Who was his backup? In prior seasons, Carr had a Jon Navarre or a Chad Henne available. He left Rich Rod with Sheridan. Great guy, but not a Division 1 caliber QB, unless he's playing against Minnesota. We could have used him on Saturday.

section17

October 2nd, 2014 at 1:54 PM ^

You just don't get it do you? You can make up all the facts you want but the truth is there. Rich Rod could not nad would never succeed here, He was back stabbed as soon as he got here by Lloyd Carr and his entitled players. The same entitled players that you read about in the paper that defend Hoke and Brandon. So you obviously think it's fine to recruit against your own school then. The AD refuses to pay out any money to hire a top flight DC. Oh, that's right Brandon opened the wallet when he hired the man he always wanted. You're not doubt a Wal-Mart wolverine so I don't except you to get it.

VintageBlue

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^

It's pretty clear that currently the lone criteria for beating Michigan is to have a roster of Power 5 conference-caliber players.  Huge if coming but IF Michigan can improve their D- offense to a C level then Rutgers, Penn State, Indiana, Maryland and Northwestern are all games Michigan should win with a B+/A- defense. 

AlwaysBlue

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:55 AM ^

is making me indifferent. I think the new prez is likely more angry that Brandon's failures are tarnishing the Michigan academic brand. Change may come but I doubt it will be about building a better football team.