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By Brian — August 18th, 2010 at 4:00 PM — 55 comments
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HAI GUYS WHAT'S—

No, just kidding. We're back to normal service except for the occasional outburst of spine-threatening sobs and pauses to shake the MGoFist at the sky.

So how screwed are we? Oh… I'd imagine pretty screwed. We've had to consolidate the "can Teric Jones/Michael Shaw/Denard Robinson/Will Campbell play corner?" threads in one big annoying glob of Kubler-Ross bargaining. But at least we've gotten some excellent paint action out of it:

twolfgodreal From the Shredder, naturally.

Also there's this from Antidaily:

fuuuuuu

 

Even the house organs, who were busy dismissing the importance of Justin Turner's departure last week, admit this is a "devastating blow" to what was already a ramshackle Burmese lean-to of a secondary. Rittenberg says Woolfolk's name would have been "right at the top" of players Michigan could not afford to lose and asks if Pac-Man Jones or Charles Woodson have any eligibility left (answer compliance should absolutely not double-check: HELL YES). Orson breaks out Crazy Old Testament God; Burgeoning Wolverine Star goes with that damn owl again for some reason.

And UMGoBlog gets all scientific by ripping Dorsey, Turner, and Woolfolk off Michigan's roster in NCAA 2011 and seeing what happens:

PASS YPG PASS TDS PPG RECORD RODRIGUEZ
Before 200 19 24.1 7-5 "I feel happy!"
After 235 24 28.4 5-7 [thud]

That last column is my addition. Obviously.

Io-wha? Yeah, you see what I did there. Black Heart Gold Pants got all huffy about the idea Iowa might be overrated. While I was wrong about how many defensive starters Iowa lost (it's three, not five) and this somewhat mitigates their situation, when you deploy the Mathlete luck graph in an attempt to argue you weren't that lucky last year, well, Braves and Birds treats you like it usually treats Stewart Mandel:

You know your argument sucks when you're fighting the notion that your team was lucky in 2009 and you cite a chart that shows your team to have been the second luckiest team in the conference. …

As a result of Iowa's inability to demonstrate its superiority over Arkansas State and Northern Iowa, every ranking system that accounts for data beyond record and strength of schedule pegged Iowa in the lower part of the top 20. The Sagarin Predictor had Iowa 17th. Sports Reference's SRS measure had Iowa 19th, as did Football Outsiders. In short, you can accept what reams of research tells us about football, which is that points, yards, and drive outcomes are a better indication of a team's merit and contain less noise than the final record itself. Or, you can reject all of that, put on a dumb hat, and wait to be punked by Fire Joe Morgan.

The chart thing's even better since it shows Iowa was seriously unlucky the year before, puncturing any argument that Ferentz has a knack for making chicken salad out of Stanziballs. Why is it that when I make a bleedingly obvious comment like "Penn State's quarterback situation sucks" or "Iowa was lucky last year and I am skeptical of them this year" people get all mad? Go ahead, predict Michigan's secondary will be a black hole of despair. I won't stop you.

Hockey guy but sort of the wrong year. Michigan's finally picked up another hockey commit, with 2012 forward Justin Selman picking Michigan a couple days ago. Selman joins Boo Nieves and Connor Carrick in that class; Michigan is still way, way short for 2011, with one guy currently scheduled to replace Michigan's extensive senior class.

As per usual with hockey recruits more than a year out from the draft, information on Selman is sparse. USHR has a positive note as one of a dozen or so "A" players from the '08 Select 15 festival:

-- 5’10”, 165 lb. Justin Selman. A smooth skating late ’93 from Upper Saddle River, NJ and the NJ Avalanche. He can make plays. Strong hockey sense. (White)

He's grown a couple inches since then. Other schools visited were RPI (meh) and UNH (good). There are a couple comments on Hockey's Future, for what it's worth:

Selman- Great at faceoffs. Had a growth spurt and is suprisingly strong. Solid skater with the drive to score. doubt he goes to the O.

Same guy:

Justin Selman- 5 10 160- A great skater and an absolute wizard on face offs. He is physical and has grown a lot in the past two years. A young 93 and still is one of hte best in a strong 93 Atlantic district age group.

Same guy:

Selman is not really a pro prospect I guess but he is still a very good player who could receive consideration for 2012.

Fiutakin' it. Since this guy exists…

get-a-brain-morans-go-usa

…and so does walk-on kicker and varsity soccer star Justin Meram, this Free Press typo (print) goes from pedestrian to "Evan Metrics" competitor:

image It is always dangerous to taunt the embarrassing typo Gods—a couple of months ago I called PSU's Tom Bradley "Steve" or something—but, man, that was posted yesterday and passed around to great laughter and still hasn't been updated as of this post.

Expansion detail trickle. A couple more items from Delany:

  • A ninth game likely wont happen until 2015 at the earliest, and…
  • Straight geography is not happening when it comes to Big Ten divisions: “We didn't think there's any way we could achieve principle one [competitiveness] and two [rivalry preservation] if we were rigid about geographic contiguity. We are aware of geography, but we're not going to be driven by it.”

There's a rumor out there that Michigan and Ohio State will be split into separate divisions, which I find abhorrent because it necessitates protected cross-division games, which are dumb, and guarantees that Michigan will be elaborately screwed by that cross-division game being Ohio State, guaranteeing them a brutal schedule year-in, year-out as Ohio State and Penn State go play with Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, and Illinois.

Remember when… wingless helmets were the thing we were panicking about?

It was a simpler, more annoying time because everyone hysteria was unjustified. Here's to annoyance.

Etc.: Hoover Street Rag breaks down Michigan logos past. Seth Wickersham's ESPN the Magazine article($) is insider, it is also the second MSM article in the past couple weeks to break down the Michigan document dump months after Heads Should Roll. It's probably worth your time, though. I don't buy the idea that compliance couldn't dare escalate from their perpetual Labadie pings; that was a screwup on their part, though most of the problem lies with the bungling underlings and the system that allowed the bungling to continue so long.

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:11 PM | I think the whole (Score:1)
BraveWolverine730
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I think the whole cross-divisional protected games making our schedule more difficult is way overblown. Ohio State's protected games are us and Penn State so they had a built in more difficult schedule than anyone else under this system and they have owned the Big Ten.  If we have good teams, we'll be fine and if we don't it won't matter.

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

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August 18th, 2010 at 5:42 PM | I hear you what you're saying... (Score:1)
raleighwood
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....but do you really want a systematic built in disadvantage every year?  I think that the playing field should be as level as possible.  That means that OSU and UM need to be in the same division.  There really isn't any other way around it.

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August 18th, 2010 at 10:49 PM | I think the bigger argument (Score:1)
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I think the bigger argument against them is it's a wider gap between games against the other teams in the conference. With an 8-game schedule, you get to play each opposite-division team 50% of the time if there are no protected rivalries, 40% if there is one. (At 9 games, it's less important.)

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:13 PM | Lots and Lots of Points (Score:1)
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We must score points. Lots and lots of points. Would a point a minute be enough?

Life should not be a journey to the grave to arrive safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What A Ride!" HST

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:57 PM | Let's ask Mr. (Score:1)
Zone Left
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Let's ask Mr. Yost...

Seriously, Brian, doesn't your head hurt too much to blog today?  What about the elbow injury you had last night via twitter?

It's all John Navarre's fault.

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:16 PM | Splitting up Ohio State and (Score:1)
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Splitting up Ohio State and Michigan would also require moving The Game out of the last regular season weekend, unless you want to set up back-to-back rematches now and then.  There's no way to split the two teams up without giving the rivalry a major screw job.  It sounds like splitting the conference East-West is off the table.  That's too bad, since the ACC has already tried this "competitive balance gerrymander the conference" thing and it is a fiasco.

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:17 PM | "Gerrymander" (Score:1)
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+1

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August 18th, 2010 at 11:03 PM | The funniest thing is (Score:1)
SpartanDan
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A straight E-W split doesn't screw with rivalries or balance. If you look at the entire 11-team era, there's a clear top 6 and bottom 6, but of the top 6 Ohio State is the only one that has any separation from the rest at all. Splitting the top 4 and then throwing the next two in the same division is worse than doing 3-and-3 even if they were split 1-2-3, 4-5-6 (which would not be the case, IIRC). And the only existing permanent rivalries you'd split up are Illinois-Indiana and Purdue-NW, which who cares?

They seem so hellbent on getting balance and rivalries right at the expense of geography that they don't seem to realize they can do all three without having to compromise anything.

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:18 PM | How the fuck (Score:1)
BlastBeat88
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did they spell Broekhuizen correctly but fuck up "Meram?"

No excuses. Play like a champion.

http://www.gundaymonday.com

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August 18th, 2010 at 7:32 PM | Damn, you only beat... (Score:1)
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...me to this one by 42 minutes or so.

[Edit: the Toledo Blade knows how to spell Meram.]

Rodriguez said practice opportunities have been dispersed evenly between the three individuals challenging for the vacant kicking job --- Brendan Gibbons, Justin Meram and Seth Broekhuizen. Gibbons, a redshirt freshman, is the only one on scholarship [ed. football, that is].

"I was a little concerned because there were moments where we did not kick the ball as well, particularly in field goals, but today they did a nice job," Rodriguez said.

LSA '89 - MBB Natl Champions, Big 10/Rose Bowl Champions | Maize Pages Wolverines on Twitter | @MGoShoe

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:18 PM | can't we get woodson a helmet (Score:1)
ish
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can't we get woodson a helmet with a visor and call him "rogers"?

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:19 PM | The chart showing how the (Score:1)
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The chart showing how the video game team does without Woolfolk, Turner, and Dorsey makes me want to cry.

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:19 PM | I, for one, (Score:1)
Jebus
Joined: 06/30/2008
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welcome our ramshackle Burmese lean-to of a secondary.

You may resume your unbreakable faith in David Brandon's pimp hand.

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:20 PM | is that the leave Britney Spears alone ex- (Score:1)
MGlobules
Joined: 11/17/2008
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clamation mark guy crying on the soundtrack of the helmet video? (I assume it's supposed to be Tate). 

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:52 PM | Double Rainbow (Score:1)
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No. It's an edited version of the "Double Rainbow" video. I don't think the voice is supposed to be anyone in particular.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI

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August 18th, 2010 at 5:01 PM | thanks, (Score:1)
MGlobules
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appreciate it.

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August 18th, 2010 at 5:07 PM | And now that you've seen it... (Score:1)
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REMIX!!!

And, of course, the Double Down version:

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August 18th, 2010 at 5:31 PM | What does it mean? (Score:1)
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Wingless helmet is so intense.

...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:22 PM | I predict nobody will pass (Score:1)
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I predict nobody will pass against us and we will go 8-3. lol.

Everest from Old Spice helps mask the smell of fear during Wolverine attacks on Icy terrain.

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:32 PM | And just not play the 12th (Score:1)
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And just not play the 12th game?

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:41 PM | Brian came down from the ceiling guys (Score:1)
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he's down.  Someone get him a Pespi

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August 18th, 2010 at 4:50 PM | Possible solutions (Score:1)
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To CB depth problems:

The Twitter

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August 18th, 2010 at 5:11 PM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.

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August 19th, 2010 at 8:59 AM | Genius. (Score:1)
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That is all.

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August 19th, 2010 at 9:02 PM | Chunkums seriously deserves (Score:1)
maizenbluedevil
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Chunkums seriously deserves at least 500 points for this.  

 

That is all.

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August 18th, 2010 at 5:33 PM | Whew (Score:1)
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That sounds great! When can we expect your completed chart/table/diary??

Life should not be a journey to the grave to arrive safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What A Ride!" HST

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August 18th, 2010 at 5:42 PM | Be Careful (Score:1)
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Be careful, BGH. I was instructed yesterday by a "mod" that you cant critique the mathlete's work unless you do exactly what he did, replicate the efforts and disprove it. Otherwise, you hit on some of the points I mentioned when the Luck Metric was revealed. I'd link it, but I guess thats spamming.

I just dont want to see you get in trouble........

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August 18th, 2010 at 6:00 PM | Tell me you're not serious (Score:1)
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Beyond how inane it is, I mean, you're you. Has this "mod" appeared on any podcasts? I mean, if jamiemac is getting chastised what is going on with this site... Tell me you were joking.

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August 18th, 2010 at 6:49 PM | Geaux_Blue is like a homeless (Score:1)
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Geaux_Blue is like a homeless man's Chitownblue

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August 18th, 2010 at 5:50 PM | Your concerns are valid and interesting... (Score:1)
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...but I don't think "disclear" is a word.

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August 18th, 2010 at 6:33 PM | disclear is a perfectly (Score:1)
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disclear is a perfectly cromulent word.

This has nothing to do with Michigan football.

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August 18th, 2010 at 7:32 PM | Excellent reference (Score:1)
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Edna Crabaple FTW

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August 18th, 2010 at 6:25 PM | you could have just said (Score:1)
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this: "I think it's a faulty assumption that individual teams will simply regress to the mean on a year to year basis." Which is cool, but I think we CAN assume that, year to year, they are LIKELIER to be closer to said mean if it WERE POSSIBLE to define it in the first place. But first ya gotta define LUCK. Good luck with that, and good luck with arriving at a consensus about said definition should you manage it. You begin to get at some of the difficulties in bullet point 3. 

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August 18th, 2010 at 7:41 PM | sorry about the boldface thing (Score:1)
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going on in the above post. When I first put it up the fonts were roughly a size 48. That's what I got when I edited. Not sure the recent changes to the site are fully Ubuntu-tested. 

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August 18th, 2010 at 7:23 PM | Wow.... (Score:1)
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Link?  Seriously, I wish I had this kind of time, but it;s what I love about mgoblog

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August 18th, 2010 at 6:06 PM | Brian, thank God, you're alive (Score:1)
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If not "well". But we won't have to send out the search parties.

As for the divisions, how do we know it's us moving? Is MSU moving too, or are we going to have 2 cross sectional games? If MSU is moving too, who's going back to the other side? The more it works out, the more by geography seems to make sense.

And I think I mentioned somewhere on here that Osborne said awhile ago that 9 games wouldn't happen till 2015.

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August 18th, 2010 at 6:08 PM | I for one (Score:1)
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Am so wrung out from lying in my fetal position sucking my thumb over the state of the secondary, that I'm just about to say, "Fuck it! Play the fucking games and let's see how we do."

But not just now.

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August 18th, 2010 at 6:16 PM | not just now is right; they (Score:1)
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desperately need the next 15 days of practice to get the cornerback position sorted. 

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August 18th, 2010 at 7:31 PM | 1) Nobody should commit (Score:1)
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1) Nobody should commit suicide over this

2) The world is not going to end

BUT

3) Losing Troy is BAD.  There is no way to sugar coat this.  Well except that maybe we'll go for it more often on fourth down and maybe see some onside kicks before the fourth quarter.  YAHOO FOR RICH ROD COACHING 2010 LIKE HE'S PLAYING NCAA 11.

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August 18th, 2010 at 7:26 PM | or a (Score:1)
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wag of the finger!

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August 18th, 2010 at 7:14 PM | Medical Research Suggests Positive Outcome for T Wolf (Score:1)
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First post, I joined because I thought everyone would benefit from reading this paper. It  may give some people enough hope to reschedule their appointment with Dr. Kevorkian. Barwis should get his wolf back in only 6.5 months. The paper is available for free on PubMed.

Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture in a Collegiate Football Player: A Case Report

I want to provide a broad synopsis of this paper for those of you who are link-challenged. Talocrural dislocation is an ankle dislocation. Weber C ankle fractures occur above the the syndesmosis (above the talus, below the tibia and fibula) and are similar to PER injuries in the Lauge Hansen classification:

 

In general, if T-wolf has this kind of dislocation and fracture the outlook for full recovery is good, however the chances he is able to run like the rest of Barwis's wolfs with a plate or screws in his ankle are poor. He will be back on the field, and his 40 time will likely be affected. This paper goes over a case study where another D1 defensive back had his ankle stepped on, which resulted in a dislocation and fibular fracture. After surgery and 6.5 months, the patient was practicing with no contact. In 7 months the patient was starting at his old position. So, given Mr. Woolfolk's work ethic and commitment (obviously a Michigan Man in Bo's image IMHO) it is doubtful that this is a career ending injury. Barwis, please work your magic on this man, he deserves everything this fine University can give him.

To quote selected parts of the paper

"Talocrural dislocations are not uncommon, especially with an associated fibular fracture.1–,6 Many fracture-dislocation injuries of the ankle are the result of a fall4,7–,11 or motor vehicle accident.12–,15 Most ankle fracture and dislocation injuries have less than favorable outcomes for the patient.1,2,4,6,13,15–,18 The literature presents numerous factors associated with these poorer outcomes, the main factors being the patient's age, fracture location, fracture pattern, and the presence of one or more associated dislocations.3,5,6,18–,20"

"Few of the published case studies of ankle dislocation and fibula fracture are sport related.7–,12,14,20–,24 Of those cases, few authors25 discuss the occurrence in high-level football athletes."

"Internal fixation techniques tend to enhance outcomes for all patients with ankle fractures.1 The insertion of syndesmosis screws usually improves outcomes with a Weber type C injury.1,2,4,16,20 However, Kennedy et al18 showed that when a Weber type C fracture occurred within 5 cm of the joint line, syndesmosis screws did not affect the outcome radiographically, objectively, or subjectively. Regardless of the treatment, the most important outcome for patients is pain due to arthritic changes within the joint.1,4,16,18,20"

"At 6 months, the patient returned to participation in practice to a limited extent. By 6½ months, he was participating in full-length practices with full pads and minimal restrictions (no contact). By the end of the spring season (7 months postinjury), the patient had no restrictions and was 100% functional. The athletic trainers applied tape for prophylactic purposes for practices and games. The patient continued with a maintenance rehabilitation program in order to preserve his strength and proprioception in addition to the regular team summer conditioning program. He participated with no restrictions in the summer conditioning program. At the beginning of the following season, the patient started in his usual position of defensive back."

"With no published studies addressing outcomes in high-level athletes, the long-term outcome in the current case is difficult to estimate. The sports medicine staff believes that the athlete is doing very well and has had an excellent outcome. Many factors may have contributed to the athlete's successful rehabilitation. The prompt on-field assessment and reduction with immobilization stabilized the soft tissue and minimized swelling to allow early surgical intervention. The anatomic reduction permitted the aggressive rehabilitation protocol. Further, the athlete's relatively young age, combined with the presence of only an extra-articular fibular fracture (as opposed to a malleolar fracture) may have played a role in the successful outcome. At present, the athlete is not complaining of the joint pain that some authors believe reflects the early onset of arthritis or chondral defects of the talar dome or tibia.3,6,17–,19"

What do  you guys think, is this a good case study analogy for T-Wolf?

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August 18th, 2010 at 7:46 PM | Case study (Score:1)
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Hey we have no idea what type of injury he suffered.  You are citing one case study.  That's like saying, "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week".  As an orthopaedist I can tell you that he is in for a long haul if he suffered an ankle fracture/dislocation.  The best case scenario is what you presented.  I hope this is the case but unfortunately a lot of these can permanently hamper you.

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August 18th, 2010 at 9:28 PM | Perhaps a sense of irony will make this season bearable... (Score:1)
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Fresh, I agree that we cannot be sure of the type, severity, and outlook of Woolf's injury unless we look at the MRI/X-ray personally. However, I do have extremely flimsy evidence to back up my suggestion that Woolfolk's injury is a Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture.

First- from Angelique Changalis on twitter (now a primary source?) and also sbnation we know that it was the fibula that fractured.

"Butch said broken fibula was determined after ankle reset. Non-contact injury. Foot caught and went....wrong direction."

Second- The fracture was noted after the ankle was reset.

I am not a D.O. I am not a doctor or medical student of any kind, so I must defer to you J. Fresh. Would a D.O. perform a reset on an ankle that may be suffering from any of the following injuries before performing an x-ray or MRI:

Subtalar dislocation, maisonneuve fracture, malleolar fracture, deltoid ligament rupture, syndesmosis disruption?

It seems that resetting an ankle with extensive ligament or tendon damage before MRI could cause as much or more damage than the original injury. Is it possible for a subtalar dislocation to result in a fractured fibula? A dislocation that low would seem to stress other bones.  I am not sure here, could you tell us the basic treatment protocol for trauma of this type? Regardless, comparing this situation and this conversation to  "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week" is a gross generalization. Do you think there is enough evidence to suggest that the best case scenario (of a worst case scenario) actually occurred here? Is that too much optimism on a bleak day (even bleaker - Tate prove that high maintenance bimbo wrong!)? Does the Angry Michigan Defensive Secondary Hating God lack a sense of irony? 

Fresh, I agree that we cannot be sure of the type, severity, and outlook of Woolf's injury unless we look at the MRI/X-ray personally. However, I do have extremely flimsy evidence to back up my suggestion that Woolfolk's injury is a Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture.

First- from Angelique Changalis on twitter (now a primary source?) and also sbnation we know that it was the fibula that fractured.

 

"Butch said broken fibula was determined after ankle reset. Non-contact injury. Foot caught and went....wrong direction."

Second- The fracture was noted after the ankle was reset.

I am not a D.O. I am not a doctor or medical student of any kind, so I must defer to you J. Fresh. Would a D.O. perform a reset on an ankle that may be suffering from any of the following injuries before performing an x-ray or MRI:

Subtalar dislocation, maisonneuve fracture, malleolar fracture, deltoid ligament rupture, syndesmosis disruption?

It seems that resetting an ankle with extensive ligament or tendon damage before MRI could cause as much or more damage than the original injury. Is it possible for a subtalar dislocation to result in a fractured fibula? A dislocation that low would seem to stress other bones.  I am not sure here, could you tell us the basic treatment protocol for trauma of this type? Regardless, comparing this situation and this conversation to  "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week" is a gross generalization. Do you think there is enough evidence to suggest that the best case scenario (of a worst case scenario) actually occurred here? Is that too much optimism on a bleak day (even bleaker - Tate prove that high maintenance bimbo wrong!)? Does the Angry Michigan Defensive Secondary Hating God lack a sense of irony? 

Fresh, I agree that we cannot be sure of the type, severity, and outlook of Woolf's injury unless we look at the MRI/X-ray personally. However, I do have extremely flimsy evidence to back up my suggestion that Woolfolk's injury is a Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture.

First- from Angelique Changalis on twitter (now a primary source?) and also sbnation we know that it was the fibula that fractured.

 

"Butch said broken fibula was determined after ankle reset. Non-contact injury. Foot caught and went....wrong direction."

Second- The fracture was noted after the ankle was reset.

I am not a D.O. I am not a doctor or medical student of any kind, so I must defer to you J. Fresh. Would a D.O. perform a reset on an ankle that may be suffering from any of the following injuries before performing an x-ray or MRI:

Subtalar dislocation, maisonneuve fracture, malleolar fracture, deltoid ligament rupture, syndesmosis disruption?

It seems that resetting an ankle with extensive ligament or tendon damage before MRI could cause as much or more damage than the original injury. Is it possible for a subtalar dislocation to result in a fractured fibula? A dislocation that low would seem to stress other bones.  I am not sure here, could you tell us the basic treatment protocol for trauma of this type? Regardless, comparing this situation and this conversation to  "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week" is a gross generalization. Do you think there is enough evidence to suggest that the best case scenario (of a worst case scenario) actually occurred here? Is that too much optimism on a bleak day (even bleaker - Tate prove that high maintenance bimbo wrong!)? Does the Angry Michigan Defensive Secondary Hating God lack a sense of irony? 

Fresh, I agree that we cannot be sure of the type, severity, and outlook of Woolf's injury unless we look at the MRI/X-ray personally. However, I do have extremely flimsy evidence to back up my suggestion that Woolfolk's injury is a Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture.

First- from Angelique Changalis on twitter (now a primary source?) and also sbnation we know that it was the fibula that fractured.

 

"Butch said broken fibula was determined after ankle reset. Non-contact injury. Foot caught and went....wrong direction."

Second- The fracture was noted after the ankle was reset.

I am not a D.O. I am not a doctor or medical student of any kind, so I must defer to you J. Fresh. Would a D.O. perform a reset on an ankle that may be suffering from any of the following injuries before performing an x-ray or MRI:

Subtalar dislocation, maisonneuve fracture, malleolar fracture, deltoid ligament rupture, syndesmosis disruption?

It seems that resetting an ankle with extensive ligament or tendon damage before MRI could cause as much or more damage than the original injury. Is it possible for a subtalar dislocation to result in a fractured fibula? A dislocation that low would seem to stress other bones.  I am not sure here, could you tell us the basic treatment protocol for trauma of this type? Regardless, comparing this situation and this conversation to  "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week" is a gross generalization. Do you think there is enough evidence to suggest that the best case scenario (of a worst case scenario) actually occurred here? Is that too much optimism on a bleak day (even bleaker - Tate prove that high maintenance bimbo wrong!)? Does the Angry Michigan Defensive Secondary Hating God lack a sense of irony? 

Fresh, I agree that we cannot be sure of the type, severity, and outlook of Woolf's injury unless we look at the MRI/X-ray personally. However, I do have extremely flimsy evidence to back up my suggestion that Woolfolk's injury is a Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture.

First- from Angelique Changalis on twitter (now a primary source?) and also sbnation we know that it was the fibula that fractured.

 

"Butch said broken fibula was determined after ankle reset. Non-contact injury. Foot caught and went....wrong direction."

Second- The fracture was noted after the ankle was reset.

I am not a D.O. I am not a doctor or medical student of any kind, so I must defer to you J. Fresh. Would a D.O. perform a reset on an ankle that may be suffering from any of the following injuries before performing an x-ray or MRI:

Subtalar dislocation, maisonneuve fracture, malleolar fracture, deltoid ligament rupture, syndesmosis disruption?

It seems that resetting an ankle with extensive ligament or tendon damage before MRI could cause as much or more damage than the original injury. Is it possible for a subtalar dislocation to result in a fractured fibula? A dislocation that low would seem to stress other bones.  I am not sure here, could you tell us the basic treatment protocol for trauma of this type? Regardless, comparing this situation and this conversation to  "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week" is a gross generalization. Do you think there is enough evidence to suggest that the best case scenario (of a worst case scenario) actually occurred here? Is that too much optimism on a bleak day (even bleaker - Tate prove that high maintenance bimbo wrong!)? Does the Angry Michigan Defensive Secondary Hating God lack a sense of irony? 

Fresh, I agree that we cannot be sure of the type, severity, and outlook of Woolf's injury unless we look at the MRI/X-ray personally. However, I do have extremely flimsy evidence to back up my suggestion that Woolfolk's injury is a Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture.

First- from Angelique Changalis on twitter (now a primary source?) and also sbnation we know that it was the fibula that fractured.

 

"Butch said broken fibula was determined after ankle reset. Non-contact injury. Foot caught and went....wrong direction."

Second- The fracture was noted after the ankle was reset.

I am not a D.O. I am not a doctor or medical student of any kind, so I must defer to you J. Fresh. Would a D.O. perform a reset on an ankle that may be suffering from any of the following injuries before performing an x-ray or MRI:

Subtalar dislocation, maisonneuve fracture, malleolar fracture, deltoid ligament rupture, syndesmosis disruption?

It seems that resetting an ankle with extensive ligament or tendon damage before MRI could cause as much or more damage than the original injury. Is it possible for a subtalar dislocation to result in a fractured fibula? A dislocation that low would seem to stress other bones.  I am not sure here, could you tell us the basic treatment protocol for trauma of this type? Regardless, comparing this situation and this conversation to  "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week" is a gross generalization. Do you think there is enough evidence to suggest that the best case scenario (of a worst case scenario) actually occurred here? Is that too much optimism on a bleak day (even bleaker - Tate prove that high maintenance bimbo wrong!)? Does the Angry Michigan Defensive Secondary Hating God lack a sense of irony? 

Fresh, I agree that we cannot be sure of the type, severity, and outlook of Woolf's injury unless we look at the MRI/X-ray personally. However, I do have extremely flimsy evidence to back up my suggestion that Woolfolk's injury is a Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture.

First- from Angelique Changalis on twitter (now a primary source?) and also sbnation we know that it was the fibula that fractured.

 

"Butch said broken fibula was determined after ankle reset. Non-contact injury. Foot caught and went....wrong direction."

Second- The fracture was noted after the ankle was reset.

I am not a D.O. I am not a doctor or medical student of any kind, so I must defer to you J. Fresh. Would a D.O. perform a reset on an ankle that may be suffering from any of the following injuries before performing an x-ray or MRI:

Subtalar dislocation, maisonneuve fracture, malleolar fracture, deltoid ligament rupture, syndesmosis disruption?

It seems that resetting an ankle with extensive ligament or tendon damage before MRI could cause as much or more damage than the original injury. Is it possible for a subtalar dislocation to result in a fractured fibula? A dislocation that low would seem to stress other bones.  I am not sure here, could you tell us the basic treatment protocol for trauma of this type? Regardless, comparing this situation and this conversation to  "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week" is a gross generalization. Do you think there is enough evidence to suggest that the best case scenario (of a worst case scenario) actually occurred here? Is that too much optimism on a bleak day (even bleaker - Tate prove that high maintenance bimbo wrong!)? Does the Angry Michigan Defensive Secondary Hating God lack a sense of irony? 

Fresh, I agree that we cannot be sure of the type, severity, and outlook of Woolf's injury unless we look at the MRI/X-ray personally. However, I do have extremely flimsy evidence to back up my suggestion that Woolfolk's injury is a Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture.

First- from Angelique Changalis on twitter (now a primary source?) and also sbnation we know that it was the fibula that fractured.

 

"Butch said broken fibula was determined after ankle reset. Non-contact injury. Foot caught and went....wrong direction."

Second- The fracture was noted after the ankle was reset.

I am not a D.O. I am not a doctor or medical student of any kind, so I must defer to you J. Fresh. Would a D.O. perform a reset on an ankle that may be suffering from any of the following injuries before performing an x-ray or MRI:

Subtalar dislocation, maisonneuve fracture, malleolar fracture, deltoid ligament rupture, syndesmosis disruption?

It seems that resetting an ankle with extensive ligament or tendon damage before MRI could cause as much or more damage than the original injury. Is it possible for a subtalar dislocation to result in a fractured fibula? A dislocation that low would seem to stress other bones.  I am not sure here, could you tell us the basic treatment protocol for trauma of this type? Regardless, comparing this situation and this conversation to  "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week" is a gross generalization. Do you think there is enough evidence to suggest that the best case scenario (of a worst case scenario) actually occurred here? Is that too much optimism on a bleak day (even bleaker - Tate prove that high maintenance bimbo wrong!)? Does the Angry Michigan Defensive Secondary Hating God lack a sense of irony? 

Fresh, I agree that we cannot be sure of the type, severity, and outlook of Woolf's injury unless we look at the MRI/X-ray personally. However, I do have extremely flimsy evidence to back up my suggestion that Woolfolk's injury is a Talocrural Dislocation With Associated Weber Type C Fibular Fracture.

First- from Angelique Changalis on twitter (now a primary source?) and also sbnation we know that it was the fibula that fractured.

 

"Butch said broken fibula was determined after ankle reset. Non-contact injury. Foot caught and went....wrong direction."

Second- The fracture was noted after the ankle was reset.

I am not a D.O. I am not a doctor or medical student of any kind, so I must defer to you J. Fresh. Would a D.O. perform a reset on an ankle that may be suffering from any of the following injuries before performing an x-ray or MRI:

Subtalar dislocation, maisonneuve fracture, malleolar fracture, deltoid ligament rupture, syndesmosis disruption?

It seems that resetting an ankle with extensive ligament or tendon damage before MRI could cause as much or more damage than the original injury. Is it possible for a subtalar dislocation to result in a fractured fibula? A dislocation that low would seem to stress other bones.  I am not sure here, could you tell us the basic treatment protocol for trauma of this type? Regardless, comparing this situation and this conversation to  "my brother hurt his ankle once and he played next week" is a gross generalization. Do you think there is enough evidence to suggest that the best case scenario (of a worst case scenario) actually occurred here? Is that too much optimism on a bleak day (even bleaker - Tate prove that high maintenance bimbo wrong!)? Does the Angry Michigan Defensive Secondary Hating God lack a sense of irony? 

Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts - Richard Feynman

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August 19th, 2010 at 1:11 PM | Dislocations are obvious when (Score:1)
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Dislocations are obvious when you see them, and they should be reduced (set) immediately.  You want to realign the joint asap to take the pressure off the soft tissues and prevent further damage, not to mention it feels a hell of a lot better when it is reduced.  Most good trainers can and should do them right on the scene if the team doc isn't there.  You are less likely to get a fibula fracture with a subtalar dislocation than than an ankle dislocation (tibiotalar joint).  If he really had an ankle dislocation to go along with the fibula fracture, then it is likely he tore up ligaments on the other side of his ankle where he would benefit from surgery.  Again, without seeing the films all of this is speculation so on one hand he could just require a cast for a while but if it were severe he could require extensive surgery and a very long road to recovery, possibly necessitating a second surgery in the future.  Angry Michigan defensive secondary hating god does have a sense of irony, as all we have been asking for after 2 years is a break, and we got one.  Oh man that was a bad one. 

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August 20th, 2010 at 3:01 AM | How about an official MGoDoctor? I vote FRESH :-) (Score:1)
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J. Fresh, that was incredibly informative, and it had a witty conclusion. I will be calling you out next time I have questions regarding Michigan football and injuries. You sir, should be posting regular Diaries!

Cheers!

SC

Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts - Richard Feynman

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August 18th, 2010 at 8:22 PM | Hey, didn't we have a (Score:1)
WestCoastWolverine
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Weber type C play basketball at Michigan?

I'm gonna take two weeks off, and then quit.

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August 18th, 2010 at 8:05 PM | No reason to panic - (Score:1)
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The sky is not falling.  Remember the fall of 1997?  Michigan was coming off of four straight seasons of four losses each.  The media and our rivals were suggesting that the "M" in Michigan had come to stand for "mediocre".  There were plenty of "Fire Lloyd" t-shirts in the stands on Saturdays.  Starting senior defensive tackle Ben Huff had trashed his knee in the summer.  Senior linebacker and co-captain Eric Mayes blew out his knee in the Indiana game.  Junior safety Daydrion Taylor was lost for the season after a big hit against Penn State. At quarterback, we had a kid named Griese who was a former walk-on.  Yeah, things really looked bleak.  Until we ran the table at 12-0 and won a National Championship in the Rose Bowl.  Forget the gloom and doom.  Players will step up.  Rodriguez and the Wolverines will meet the challenge, win at least 7 this year and bring the Big Ten title home to Ann Arbor in 2011.  Call me crazy, but I believe the future is bright for Wolverine Nation.

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