UM Defense Hybrids Question

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April 4th, 2009 at 12:23 PM
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BoyBlue
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UM Defense Hybrids Question

I read Brian's previous post about our defense and the discussion of what to call it. At this point concensus says that it is 3-4ish with a DE/OLB spinner whose job is similar to DE which makes the D also similar to a 4-3.

Then there is word that Stevie Brown is now working at a OLB/SS hybrid position. This position does not have a cool name, at least I haven't heard it. On other teams this position is generally called Rover.

If these positions are on the field at the same time then there are really only two true linebackers on the field: 3-down lineman and pass rushing spinner, 2 LBs, a OLB/SS rover, and the secondary of 2 CB, a FS, and a SS. So now that 3-4ish that is like a 4-3, looks to me now more that it is 3-3-5ish that is like a 4-2-5.

Finally on to my questions then, do both of these hybrid positions see the field at the exact same time? Is the rover more of a nickel situation position? Anybody at the Clinic this weekend with info on who is on the field with the 1st group?

(Please no OMG 4-2-5, 3-3-5 can not work responses, TCU was #1 in defense in the nation last year with a 4-2-5)

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April 4th, 2009 at 12:28 PM | I believe the idea behind this was that (Score:1)
MichFan1997
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you can keep the same personal on the field most of the time and still switch your packages. Therefore, if my understanding is correct, if the spinner rotates to OLB, then the other hybrid player would drop back into his safety position, creating a 3-4 type'ish defense.

Also, damnit, Myron Rolle would be perfect for that rover position.

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April 4th, 2009 at 12:31 PM | I asked this question on the (Score:1)
B Ready
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I asked this question on the Wolverine to a poster who is constantly at practice, and he said that both the "spinner" position and Stevie Brown's position are on the field at the exact same time. That appears to be the base package. At least, for now, it is.

April 4th, 2009 at 12:37 PM | yes, so basically (Score:1)
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what i thought is correct and that they use those two hybrid players to rotate through defensive allignments? Damnit, where's Lamar Woodley or Shawn Crable when we need them.

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April 4th, 2009 at 12:42 PM | Right now, Herron, Evans and (Score:1)
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Right now, Herron, Evans and Fitzgerald are getting a lot of PT. When Mouton comes back, somebody is going to hit the bench. It'll be interesting to see if they have Mouton at the "spinner" position or at a more typical linebacker role like Fitz.

April 4th, 2009 at 12:44 PM | I heard earnie shazor is (Score:1)
steviebrownforh...
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I heard earnie shazor is going to come back for his senior year and play rover.

April 4th, 2009 at 12:56 PM | On gbmw they said the defense (Score:1)
cpt20
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On gbmw they said the defense is like a 3-1-2-5.

April 4th, 2009 at 5:37 PM | no offense (Score:1)
gsimmons85
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but that might be the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

look the spinner is the strongside olb, (meaning if a te is in the game, he might have to play a 9 tech on him) the reason they call it a hybrid is becasue the need a strong olb to play that spot, almost de like... and in fact sometimes an athletic de makes the best strong side olb in a 3-4 scheme... the other position is the weakside olb. the only thing they are saying by calling him a hybrid is the fact that they want a quicker than usuall outside lb to be able to play the possition, thus the term "hybrid player" and thus the reason brown is playing it a lot, think of it asa nikel back..

it really is nothing different than the okie package michigan ran last year, as far as a 3-4 single gap defense, that sometimes might take on a 4 man front or even 5 man front look...

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April 4th, 2009 at 5:46 PM | Does your latest post mean (Score:1)
CG
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Does your latest post mean Zoltan will be Big 10 Offensive POY? That would be awesome.

April 4th, 2009 at 6:44 PM | that or (Score:1)
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the field goal/ex point/kick off guy....

if ever possession ends with some kind of kick or punt, we will usually win..

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April 4th, 2009 at 7:28 PM | Sorry, I just typed what they (Score:1)
cpt20
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Sorry. That's what they said so I was letting him know that is what they think.

April 5th, 2009 at 1:04 AM | Supposedly the spinner is (Score:1)
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Supposedly the spinner is going to line up on the weak side like the old Rush End/RLB used to do. I can't find a link, but I think I read somewhere that the hybrid OLB/SS is going to line up on the strong side. I'm guessing the theory is that the OLB/SS will have good coverage skills to cover the new fast breed of TE. Obviously this isn't a pure 3-4 because most NFL 3-4's have two big pass rushing OLB's.

I'm curious to see how the D-Lineman will line up. I believe Graham, Van Bergen, and Martin will be starting on the D-Line next to the spinner. I'm speculating that Graham will line up on the edge opposite the spinner. Van Bergen will line up next to the spinner as sort of a hybrid DE/DT. He's a DE in a 3-4, but probably more like a DT if the spinner goes into a three point stance. If William Campbell becomes one of the top 3 D-Lineman then Mike Martin probably has the athleticism to play this position as well.

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