Rawls if he can hang onto it, I'd guesss
UConn Depth Chart
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The first and most interesting of the year.
[Walk-ons denoted with #; players not on the official two-deep in italics.]
| MICHIGAN UNOFFICIAL TWO DEEP 8/30/2010 | |||||
| OFFENSE | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pos | First | Second | Third | ||
| QB |
Denard Robinson OR |
-- |
-- |
||
| RB |
Vincent Smith OR
Michael Shaw |
Mike Cox | 4:Fitzgerald Toussaint 5:Stephen Hopkins 6:Teric Jones |
||
| WR1 | Darryl Stonum OR Junior Hemingway |
Je'Ron Stokes | Ricardo Miller | ||
| WR2 | Martavious Odoms | Jeremy Jackson | Jerald Robinson | ||
| Slot |
Roy Roundtree OR |
Terrance Robinson | Jeremy Gallon | ||
| TE | Kevin Koger | Martell Webb | Brandon Moore | ||
| LT | Mark Huyge | Taylor Lewan | Erik Gunderson# | ||
| LG | Steve Schilling | Quinton Washington | Elliot Mealer | ||
| C | David Molk | Rocko Khoury | Christian Pace | ||
| RG | Patrick Omameh | Ricky Barnum | John Ferrara | ||
| RT | Perry Dorrestein | Michael Schofield | Zac Ciullo# | ||
| DEFENSE | |||||
| Pos | First | Second | Third | ||
| DE | Ryan Van Bergen | Jibreel Black | Steve Watson | ||
| NT | Mike Martin | Adam Patterson | William Campbell | ||
| DE/DT | Greg Banks | Renaldo Sagesse | Terry Talbott | ||
| LB/DE | Craig Roh | Brandon Herron OR JB Fitzgerald |
-- | ||
| MLB | Obi Ezeh OR Mark Moundros# |
Kenny Demens |
-- |
||
| WLB | Jonas Mouton | Mike Jones | Kevin Leach# | ||
| Spur | Carvin Johnson | Thomas Gordon |
Floyd Simmons# |
||
| Bandit | Jordan Kovacs# | Marvin Robinson | -- | ||
| FS | Cam Gordon | Jared Van Slyke# | Vlad Emilien | ||
| CB1 | James Rogers | Terrence Talbott OR Cullen Christian |
-- | ||
| CB2 | JT Floyd | Courtney Avery | -- | ||
| SPECIAL TEAMS | |||||
| Pos | First | Second | Third | ||
| P | Will Hagerup | Seth Broekhuizen# | --- | ||
| K | Brendan Gibbons OR Seth Broekhuizen# |
Justin Meram# | -- | ||
| PR | Jeremy Gallon OR Martavious Odoms OR Terrance Robinson |
Drew Dileo | -- | ||
| KR | Darryl Stonum |
Martavious Odoms OR |
Drew Dileo | ||
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Gardner. You've probably already been bombarded by this fact on twitter, but Rodriguez specifically stated that freshmen on the two-deep are not going to redshirt this season, which includes Devin Gardner. Grumble.
Other freshmen slotted to play in groups:
- Obvious: all three cornerbacks, Stephen Hopkins
- Encouraging sign: Jibreel Black, Carvin Johnson, Marvin Robinson.
- Surprising: Jeremy Jackson
Carvin Johnson's audition at spur in the Beanie Bowl went well enough that he is the starter, no OR, there. This site's prediction that he'd outperform his recruiting rankings more than anyone else is moving along smoothly, but the secondary just got a tiny bit less experienced… or did it? More in the secondary preview dropping later today.
James Rogers is, at least temporarily, a starting corner.
Kelvin Grady's frequent appearances on fall highlight film have evidently paid off, as with Martavious Odoms' seeming permanent move outside he moves up to co-starter with Roundtree.
Teric Jones is back at running back, his defensive experiment over. Probably for the best given his performance against DSU last year and his obvious speed.
Veterans win at tackle… so far.
Bizarre switch: 289 pound Sagesse is the primary backup at DE/DT and 276 pound Adam Patterson is the primary backup at nose. Theory: Mike Martin isn't coming off the field much and M plans to platoon Sagesse and Banks extensively.
Should we start getting worried about:
- Vlad Emilien: behind a walk-on after a year and a half (he enrolled early).
- Anthony LaLota: behind Steve Watson, also after a year and a half.
- Will Campbell: behind perpetual non-entity Adam Patterson, a guy who moved positions this spring.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:04 PM | 
Will Campbell at the #3
Will Campbell at the #3
August 30th, 2010 at 12:08 PM |
Agreed on Marvin, Kovacs just
Agreed on Marvin, Kovacs just
Agreed on Marvin, Kovacs just doesn't have the talent the coaches are going to want. They'll try to get Marvin some experience slowly, and if he can progress, expect to see a lot less of Kovacs.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:22 PM |
Maybe Kovacs is the better
Maybe Kovacs is the better
Maybe Kovacs is the better football player? Freshman all-american and all.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:41 PM |
If Kovacs doesn't have to cover any deep zones...
If Kovacs doesn't have to cover any deep zones...
Then he has the talent that the above poster suggests... All-American. He's one of the most solid tacklers on the team.
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August 30th, 2010 at 12:43 PM |
I can't believe it
I can't believe it
How in the hell is he behind Patterson? Is he out of shape? Is he approaching bust status? I'm sorry, I just think a 5 star DT with game experience should be making an impact this year.
Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"
August 30th, 2010 at 12:45 PM |
He was out of shape coming
He was out of shape coming
He was out of shape coming into camp and is still working his way back. Don't worry, he will have made an impact by year's end. He's not a bust, it's only his sophomore year. Drink in the cuteness of the kittens and let them calm you a little.
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August 30th, 2010 at 1:31 PM |
what he said
what he said
Don't be concerned or panic about Big Will. He's going to be fine.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:49 PM |
I think it's still too early
I think it's still too early
to call "bust" on a guy before the start of his second year. If he's buried on the depth chart after this year, and the guys in front of him have meh years, then maybe. But he's used up 25% of his eligibility, which means he's got three years to improve and make an impact. The fact that Michigan needs him to develop on an accelerated timetable doesn't mean that he will. And that doesn't make him a bust.
This has nothing to do with Michigan football.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:56 PM |
I didn't call him a bust
I didn't call him a bust
I asked is he "approaching" bust status? I'm sorry, but after the whole Justin Turner fiasco, I didn't need to see Will 3rd on the depth chart.
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August 30th, 2010 at 1:06 PM |
Your concern: Getting five
Your concern: Getting five
Your concern: Getting five stars playing time.
The Coaches' concern: Winning.
If Patterson is the better NT right now, then he should be higher on the depth chart. You could look at this half empty, and panic that a second year man is approaching bust status because he might not play much in the opener, or you could see it half full. A veteran is getting playing time, and in any case I don't expect Mike Martin to come off the field that often. Rest assured, Big Will will one day reach your lofty expectations, just give him some time.
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August 30th, 2010 at 1:36 PM |
plus
plus
wasn't BG something of a non-entity till his junior year when he started to MURDERDEATHKILL?
big will has tons of time to grow into a world-destroyer (obvs we all wish that was sooner rather than later)
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August 30th, 2010 at 1:43 PM |
Exactly
Exactly
IMO, this is the ideal progression of a blue chip recruit. Two years of spot duty behind a stud like Mike Martin, until he blows up as an upperclassman. This is how Florida/Bama/Texas defenses are built yearly.
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August 30th, 2010 at 2:24 PM |
lighting the fire under one seriously big butt
lighting the fire under one seriously big butt
I'd like to see a significant contribution out of him this year rather than him wait his turn. I think it's mostly motivational. We've seen how Rich Rod uses tough love before. Unfortunately, I'm afraid Big Will may be afflicted with Gabe Watson's Disease. I hope Rich Rod can deal with it and squeeze more out of him than Lloyd did big Gabe. Great player, but one of those "coulda been better" guys. Maybe they should just make him bunk over at Mike Barwis's compound for a few weeks.
August 30th, 2010 at 1:53 PM |
Everybody is rooting for the big five star guy from Michigan
Everybody is rooting for the big five star guy from Michigan
Everybody is rooting for the big five star guy from Michigan, I get it. But as a big five star guy with one and a half years in the system and our defense as thin as it has been, should he not be futher along than he is? I mean, Big Will, there's a huge opportunity, grab it by the horns.
Hey, if it is just that Adam Patterson busted his ass, and (along with more time in system) has arrived post camp the better option - well good for Patterson.
That said, by Rich's account, Big Will arrived a bit out of shape ...
Maybe, he had a busy summer school schedule, and had to focus on academics like Tate did. But dude, we need yah, and we're pulling for you to step up!
Hopefully he really comes along by the time we hid core Big Ten schedule (particularly Wisconsin).
August 30th, 2010 at 4:50 PM |
"But as a big five star guy
"But as a big five star guy
"But as a big five star guy with one and a half years in the system and our defense as thin as it has been, should he not be futher along than he is?"
Our defense is thin, yes, but our D-LINE is not. Yea, if he could play CB, I am sure he'd be starting, but he can't. Where he's playing - clearly, is the strength of our defense, so he'll sit and wait. That's not a bad thing, same with LaLota. I am not worried about our d-line, it's everywhere else on defense that concerns me on who and who isn't playing.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:05 PM |
Fitz...
Fitz...
FormerWolv kept talking him up as the number one guy, yet he's fourth on the depth chart? I was hoping he'd be the breakout star here.
I'm also a little surprised by the Teric Jones switcheroo. I'd assumed he'd have been in line for some playing time with our current depth..
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August 30th, 2010 at 12:06 PM |
I'm pretty sure he's been
I'm pretty sure he's been
I'm pretty sure he's been banged up for a few days. That may be part of it.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:06 PM |
Pretty sure FormerWolv
Pretty sure FormerWolv
Pretty sure FormerWolv mentioned that he is hurt right now hence his placement at 4th, likely not gonna play.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:12 PM |
I guess I didn't think about
I guess I didn't think about
I guess I didn't think about that, but it seems unlikely they'd list him low on the depth chart just because he's gonna be out for a game or two. I just assume they'd place him where they want him to be on the depth chart and put an injured asterisk next to his name or something.
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August 30th, 2010 at 12:15 PM |
Yeah, I thought that too, but
Yeah, I thought that too, but
Yeah, I thought that too, but I think he's "buried" on the depth chart because this is just for UCONN. Once he's recovered he he'll just back up.
I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.
August 30th, 2010 at 1:34 PM |
this depth chart
this depth chart
is a showcase of how many reps to expect for each player, not 100% the caliber/quality at the position. for all intensive chatter Toussaint is banged up and will see limited time in hopes he will be 100% by week 3.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:05 PM |
Is this based on the two-deep
Is this based on the two-deep
Is this based on the two-deep released earlier this morning? I can't access it here.
Are we at the point where we can make some educated guesses on the depth chart, such as:
1. Robinson is going to start, and Gardner is probably number 2 if he's not going to redshirt.
2. Cox/Toussaint at number 1 running back.
Just thoughts, let me know if I'm wildly off base.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:08 PM |
Yes it is.
Yes it is.
This is the official two-deep released by the coaches this morning for going into the UConn game.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:16 PM |
i don't know any better, but
i don't know any better, but
i don't know any better, but Brian wrote "UNOFFICIAL" at the top.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:41 PM |
Thanks, like I said, I can't
Thanks, like I said, I can't
Thanks, like I said, I can't see it here.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:12 PM |
And...
And...
Yes, Cox/Toussaint at number 1 RB seems pretty wildly off base considering the coaches have Shaw/Smith at number 1. Toussaint is injured, but I don't see him overcoming either of those players this year. Everyone and their mother seems to be pretty down on Shaw, but I think he's going to surprise a lot of people this year. That's if he qualifies, anyway.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:06 PM |
Best sign: people passing
Best sign: people passing
Best sign: people passing Ferrara on the depth chart. I can't think of a way to say that without sounding like a jackass about Ferrara, but basically it's nice to see that some depth is developing on the OL that no longer requires marginal DL's to become even more marginal OL's.
Downside: NO game experience outside of the starters and Ferrara. Let's hope for health and a workable rotation.
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August 30th, 2010 at 1:53 PM |
extra good
extra good
It's probably safe to assume that Ferrara is probably at least *slightly* bigger and better than he was two years ago, when he sometimes played decently. All the better...
"..."
August 30th, 2010 at 12:07 PM |
No Isaiah Bell? Should we be
No Isaiah Bell? Should we be
No Isaiah Bell? Should we be worried about that too? He didn't even get an honorable mention...
"You smiled, luring me on
My heart was gone, you were temptation"
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August 30th, 2010 at 12:08 PM |
Vlad Emilien: behind a
Vlad Emilien: behind a
- Vlad Emilien: behind a walk-on after a year and a half (he enrolled early).
- Anthony LaLota: behind Steve Watson, also after a year and a half.
- Will Campbell: behind perpetual non-entity Adam Patterson, a guy who moved positions this spring.
Yes
Yes
Dear Lord, why!??
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:50 PM |
Free Willy
Free Willy
In Big Will's case, perhaps a little too much of this:
And not enough of this guys attitutde
:
August 30th, 2010 at 12:58 PM |
Agreed
Agreed
Big Will needs a little Bill Burke in his game. Talk about a guy who knew how to produce sacks...
August 30th, 2010 at 12:10 PM |
I've a feeling grumbling may be the theme here,
I've a feeling grumbling may be the theme here,
so I'll join in. Teric Jones - do we really need a 6th string RB more than we need a 6th corner? However he played, he actually did play at CB last year. He was running second team with Christian at the 8/21 scrimmage.
We've 5 guys, 3 of them true freshmen?
August 30th, 2010 at 12:41 PM |
I don't know
I don't know
Jones looked completely lost in minimal time at CB last year. The coaches gave him a shot to improve, and didn't like what they saw. I'll agree it would have been nice for him to transition to DB, but that's different from questioning the coaches' reasoning.
Kid's got some real speed at RB - probably more than anyone we have at that position outside of Shaw. Could be a sleeper star there in a year or two.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:10 PM |
Kelvin Grady FTW! Ha, so much
Kelvin Grady FTW! Ha, so much
Kelvin Grady FTW! Ha, so much for switching to DB.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:53 PM |
He did
He did
play with CBs at practice but it's for precaution and emergency purposes.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:11 PM |
By many accounts, Campbell came into fall camp
By many accounts, Campbell came into fall camp
in less-than-optimum physical condition. I wonder if his spot on the chart is a direct reflection of that. I hope it is, because if it's a reflection of his actual talent, it's not very encouraging.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:13 PM |
The biggest disappointment
The biggest disappointment
The biggest disappointment has to be Will Campbell. I was really hoping he would have a breakout year. I know it is early but this isn't a good sign. Maybe RR is using it as a motivational tool, who knows. I am trying to stay positive for game week.
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August 30th, 2010 at 12:15 PM |
i disagree. i'm less worried
i disagree. i'm less worried
i disagree. i'm less worried about thim than the others. he will have to play his way into shape, but will, and will see much more time as the year moves on. next year, he starts. the others may never see the light of day.
August 30th, 2010 at 1:27 PM |
Disagree with the disagreement.
Disagree with the disagreement.
It most definitely is a concern. And being in shape is not the only explanation. Will has not played well enough to be with the twos, flat out. If he was in poor shape but still showed strong skills we would have heard. No practice observer has said anything positive about him, not Brian's trusted observers, nor the guys who attended the scrimmages, nor Former Wolv. Its way too early to label him a bust, that's for sure. But it is definitely not too early to be concerned with his development.
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August 30th, 2010 at 12:14 PM |
Question on Roh
Question on Roh
If i'm remembering correctly he was a surprise starter in last year's opener against Western. I can't find last year's equivalent to this depth chart. Was Roh listed as an OR at Deathbacker or was he second and jumped during the week of practice? Mostly just curious what kind of precedent there might be for a MRob or Cullen to jump to starter after the chart's release. Obvs either way these things arent set it stone.
August 30th, 2010 at 1:02 PM |
Last Year's Early Depth Chart
Last Year's Early Depth Chart
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/who-are-the-starters-a-look-at-the-univer...
Dug up last year's depth chart which corresponds to today's.
Roh was listed as second string, no OR, so wouldn't be unprecedented for a true freshman to jump into a starting role.
Otherwise chart seems to mirror what actually went down for the Western game.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:15 PM |
Mike Williams
Mike Williams
Is he hurt, or has he just been passed up by everyone?
August 30th, 2010 at 12:21 PM |
He's a man
He's a man
without a position. Not fast enough nor a good cover DB to play deep S. He is too small or doesn't make the right reads to play Spur or Bandit. He whiffed on tackles last season to warrant that he is not to be trusted to make a stop by himself.
He is vastly overrated as a recruit coming out of hs. I think Brian said this(or was it someone else) that English recruited him to play Harrison spot which is nickel CB that fits Williams skillset.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:26 PM |
Nickel CB DID fit Williams
Nickel CB DID fit Williams
Nickel CB DID fit Williams before he got injured. After that, I don't think he ever fully recovered. I'm not certain he could still play nickel CB
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August 30th, 2010 at 12:32 PM |
In English's scheme
In English's scheme
yes but with GERG, not really. That's why he was being passed up by players at Spur and Bandit.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:22 PM |
The coaching staff moved him
The coaching staff moved him
The coaching staff moved him to spur, IIRC. Guess he just got out-played, I haven't heard any injury news about him.
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August 30th, 2010 at 12:17 PM |
Campbell obviously a huge
Campbell obviously a huge
Campbell obviously a huge disappointment, but not a surprise. Longest shot of him I saw was on the BTN preview - frankly he looked out of shape and winded, especially in comparison to the others. Hoping he can work into shape as the season progresses - we need him.
August 30th, 2010 at 12:22 PM |
No Hawthorne either
No Hawthorne either
What happened to him?
Also, should we read anything into Teric switching back to RB and Shaw's academic status?
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August 30th, 2010 at 12:29 PM |
Probably not
Probably not
Probably not
Will Campbell at the #3 spot? Not really where I expected him to be. How has his camp been? I expect Marvin the Marvelous Marvel to win the starting job by mid season.
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