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Tuesday Recruitin' Suits Up

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By Ace — July 31st, 2012 at 12:45 PM — 20 comments
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Today's recruiting roundup discusses the BBQ, the latest on Laquon Treadwell and Leon McQuay III, Shane Morris at the Gridiron Kings, 247's composite rankings, and more.

Skew It On The Bar-B


The commits plus Derrick Green (back row, fourth from the left) via Sam Webb

The BBQ at the Big House has come and gone without a commit, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a very successful recruiting weekend for the Wolverines. The big story was VA RB Derrick Green, as Michigan's commits put on the full-court press for a commitment—one several commits expect to happen sooner or later—and while Green decided against ending his recruitment, he told Matt Pargoff that the visit "definitely helped Michigan." Green did say that, despite what others have said, he wasn't close to committing on the visit, though he did tell Tremendous that Michigan will definitely be in his top five when he names his list this week. With the news that both Clemson and Ohio State are no longer recruiting Green, the Wolverines appear to be in the driver's seat. Green is no longer certain that he'll take all of his officials before committing, which could indicate a decision in the near future.

Though AZ WR Devon Allen couldn't stay for the BBQ, instead visiting on Saturday, he told 247's Todd Worly the trip "really opened my eyes" and increased his interest in Michigan ($). I think Allen is still a longshot to end up in the class, but he's a viable alternative should the unexpected happen with Laquon Treadwell.

While Green got most of the attention, he may not have been the recruit closest to pulling the trigger this weekend; 2014 OH LB Michael Ferns told 247's Steve Wiltfong that committing "crossed my mind" during the BBQ ($). At this point, Ferns is the clear favorite to kick off Michigan's 2014 class.

Another 2014 prospect who could make an early commitment is IL CB Parrker Westphal, who told Wiltfong that Michigan is "still the standard" in his recruitment following the BBQ ($).

2014 WI DE Conor Sheehy picked up an offer at the BBQ, according to 247's Clint Brewster ($). The 6'4", 260-pound rising junior also holds an offer from Wisconsin and says he has no timeline for a commitment.

After visiting with a group of Cass Tech teammates, CB Damon Webb gave Sam Webb($) a top four of Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and LSU. Webb holds offers from all four as well as Toledo, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

Thus far the 2014 quarterback discussion has mostly centered around in-state prospect Chance Stewart and Ohio product DeShone Kizer, but there's a non-Midwest name on the radar: OK QB Coleman Key, who's now driven(!) to Ann Arbor twice and was told by the coaches he's the #1 target at the position, according to Tremendous. He's now got Michigan in his top three with Oklahoma and Texas and is waiting to get an offer from one of those schools.

2014 Grand Rapids Christian OL Tommy Doles says Michigan is the school he's "looking into the most," according to Tim Sullivan ($).

Michigan has also made an impression on Tarpon Springs (FL) East Lake teammates OL Mason Cole and ATH Artavis Scott, who were both at the BBQ. Cole told Sam Webb that Michigan is "definitely" one of his top schools($), while Scott said "hell yes" when asked by Tremendous if the visit helped Michigan.

Treadwell Visits: Probably Happening

IL WR Laquon Treadwell's recruitment continues to show that having four dedicated recruiting services often means you get four slightly different—or even wildly disparate—quotes in the span of a couple days. Here he's quoted by Sam Webb in the Detroit News last Thursday [emphasis mine]:

For his part, Treadwell says he will visit Oklahoma State soon. Whether he will take trips after that remains to be seen.

"August," replied Treadwell when asked when he would make his way down to the Sooner State. (After that) I'll probably take officials, but I'm not sure."

The next day, Treadwell gave this statement to ESPN's Kipp Adams:

"I am going to take some officials to LSU, Auburn, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State," Treadwell said. "I should be ready to make my decision after I see a couple of schools."

247's Keith Neibuhr got this quote on Sunday:

Along with the Wolverines, Illinois, Michigan State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State make up Treadwell's top five, he said.

"I haven't decided when I'll make my decision," Treadwell said. "I'll probably just have it randomly -- when I'm ready and comfortable. I really want to see those schools over again before I make a decision. I've been to Illinois, Michigan and Michigan State. I want to get to Oklahoma and Oklahoma State."

According to the 6-feet-3, 195-pound Treadwell, Auburn, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State probably will get official visits from him. Florida is another school he might check out, and soon.

"I'm dying to get up there with (Florida commits) Vernon [Hargreaves] and Tre [Bell]," Treadwell said. "The coaches are wanting to get me up there, so they can offer me a scholarship and I can see everything."

When might that visit happen?

"Whenever I can when I'm down here," he said. "Maybe this weekend."

So, as he's maintained throughout his recruitment, Treadwell is going to take some visits. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State appear to be lined up for August, while LSU and Florida are two schools that only recently showed major interest—he's mentioned each as a potential visit destination, but he's done this before when new schools pop up on the radar without anything coming to fruition. I still think this one's just a matter of time.

Webb's article above also discusses the situation with FL DB Leon McQuay III, who moved Michigan out of his top three after the commitment of Ross Douglas:

"He didn't drop (Michigan)," clarified McQuay's father, Leon McQuay Jr. "They wanted to move on the Penn State commit and they informed us on Tuesday. It came down all of a sudden. But Leon is not ready to commit. It's a business and I understand that. I had a conversation with his head coach, and between the two of us and the conversations he had with the coaching staff at Michigan, he kind of thought that it was best that if there is no (definite) scholarship available, why would they be in his top three?"

Florida State has taken Michigan's spot alongside USC and Vanderbilt, though there's still mutual interest. Yesterday news popped up that McQuay would make his announcement today, but that isn't happening. That's probably for the best, as given the above the Wolverines would probably be on the outside looking in if McQuay made a decision now.

A few happy trails to report this week: FL CB Vernon Hargreaves III committed to Florida, MD CB Kendall Fuller pledged to join his brothers at Virginia Tech, and KY DE Jason Hatcher adds to the ridiculous recruiting haul at USC.

BREAKING: RECRUITING SERVICE ACKNOWLEDGES EXISTENCE OF OTHER RECRUITING SERVICES

Well, it's about damn time this happened, even if 247 won't mention their competitors by name:

In an effort to communicate a more accurate evaluation of prospects and recruiting classes for fans, 247Sports is pleased to launch the 247Composite rating/ranking system for college football and basketball recruiting.

The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services.

247 is now basing their team rankings on the composite formula, which weighs Rivals's, Scout's, and ESPN's rankings equally with their own. MGoUser Turd Ferguson has helpfully compiled the composite overall rankings of Michigan's commits and targets of interest:

Here's where the Michigan recruits landed in 247's calculation of the four-site average:

16. Shane Morris
55. Dymonte Thomas
62. Kyle Bosch
74. Patrick Kugler
82. Chris Fox
114. Henry Poggi
116. Mike McCray
122. David Dawson
133. Logan Tuley-Tillman
137. Taco Charlton
146. Jourdan Lewis
153. Jake Butt
191. Ben Gedeon
203. DeVeon Smith
215. Gareon Conley
242. Wyatt Shallman
301. Maurice Hurst, Jr.
311. Jaron Dukes
355. Ross Douglas
541. Csont'e York
641. Khalid Hill

Also of note:

40. Leon McQuay
41. Laquon Treadwell
60. Derrick Green

I don't see Channing Stribling or Scott Sypniewski in the top 1250.

Unfortunately, this is a really good idea that appears to be marred by some seriously flawed methodology, as noted in the comments of the above board post:

Ross Douglas is ranked the Composite #355 overall prospect (#28 CB) while Darian Hicks is ranked the Composite #256 overall prospect (#24 CB).  Rivals, Scout, ESPN, & 247Sports all have Ross Douglas ranked above Hicks in their indvidual rankings so it is unclear how Douglas is lower in the Composite.

The rankings are using the top n lists from each site and averaging a player's overall ranking in those lists, but if a player isn't ranked on the top list by a particular service, it's omitted entirely from the average. Thus, you get this:

They only used inputted the data from each services top prospects lists(Rivals 250, ESPN 300, Scout 300) into their system. Because Hicks is not ranked in any those lists, he maintains only his 247Sports ranking (which turns out to be his highest). Douglas is ranked by a lot of those lists and that actually ends up bringing his ranking down because it is below his 247Sports ranking.

Hopefully there will be a formula tweak in the near future; otherwise, this is great for comparing recruits who made it onto all four lists, and totally worthless otherwise.

Morris, Treadwell, Bailey At Gridiron Kings

Michigan's top non-coach recruiter wasn't present at the BBQ, as Shane Morris instead was in Florida competing in the Gridiron Kings 7-on-7 tournament, where he piloted his Midwest squad to the finals before falling to a stacked Southeast team. Morris impressed on day one, according to Josh Helmholdt ($)...

In general, the quarterbacks did not have a banner day on Saturday. Morris was the best when he was on and made some spectacular throws downfield. He also had times when he had trouble going through his progressions and getting the football where it needed to be on time. Overall, though, Morris was solid and helped his team put a lot of points on the board despite its 1-2 record in pool play. The 6-foot-3, 190-pound passer let the fastball rip on a number of occasions, but also varied his speed and was spotting his passes well most of the day.

...but failed to make the top performers lists after day two, when he threw a couple of picks to Leon McQuay III in the finals. He did, however, display a strong rapport with Laquon Treadwell, again via Helmholdt ($):

Warren (Mich.) De La Salle quarterback Shane Morris is committed to Michigan and Crete-Monee (Ill.) wide receiver Laquon Treadwell has the Wolverines as his favorite. It remains to be seen if the two will hook up in college, but they connected more than any other wide receiver-quarterback duo over the course of the two days.

When it came time to name a top performer for Sunday, Rivals's Chris Nee went with another Michigan target, FL WR Alvin Bailey:

Bailey didn't win offensive MVP honors, which went instead to his quarterback, Brice Ramsey. But Bailey nonetheless had an outstanding day in the Gridiron Kings Championship. He showed the ability to stretch the field and get a step on vertical routes against defensive backs while also displaying great work in the middle of the field and underneath. He had numerous big receptions and regularly found the end zone.

Treadwell also earned mention as the #6 overall Sunday performer.

Quick 2014 Updates

Michigan has handed out scholarship offers to the top national prospects at running back in the 2014 class, but hadn't given one to a Midwest back until this week, when they offered Marion (OH) Harding RB L.J. Scott, according to Tremendous. Scott is a big back at 6'0", 215 pounds, and also holds an early offer from Kent State.

Two blue-chip 2014 prospects say they'll be in Ann Arbor for a game this fall. Behemoth GA OT Orlando Brown Jr. had to cancel a visit set for earlier this month, but says he's "definitely going to go up" to Ann Arbor ($). TX CB Edward Paris, the #10 overall prospect in the early Top247, wants to check out the Alabama game($), though since that's a neutral-site game he would not be an official visitor.

 
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July 31st, 2012 at 1:06 PM | A question for all Ace and (Score:4 Underrated)
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A question for all Ace and the recruitniks out there. It seems to me that a lot of the supposed "inside information"we hear is just flat out wrong.   Take this weekend for example - the board was lit up with all sorts of "will he or won't he" posts breathlessly wondering if Green would pull the trigger and commit.  He was SO close, we were told, by various services and insders, that the BBQ might just put him over the top.  To be fair nobody BKfinestest it but the buzz sure was loud and steady that he very well might end his recruitment and go blue.

Except 24 hours later we find out he had NO intention of signing this week or anytime soon for that matter.  So how is it the services can get their info so completely wrong on a kid?  I get him not committing, but according to Green himself he never had any intention of committing so where ddi all the other opposite conjecture come from?

What changed?

 

 

 

 

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July 31st, 2012 at 1:14 PM | The issue here is with the (Score:2)
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The issue here is with the sources these insiders are citing. I can't name names, obviously, but the sources cited saying Green was going to commit were current commits, who aren't always the most reliable sources out there.

At the same time, I'm not sure Green is being entirely truthful when he says that he wasn't close to committing; there was a whole lot of smoke out there for there not to be any fire.

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July 31st, 2012 at 1:21 PM | Thanks Ace.  That makes more (Score:2)
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Thanks Ace.  That makes more sense (source explanation)

Keep up the good work!

 

 

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July 31st, 2012 at 4:33 PM | This is why (Score:1)
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I am going to wait for the Hello post from hereon.  I  wasted  too much of my  time  this past weekend reviewing the Green thread.

New Hope in Hoke

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July 31st, 2012 at 2:14 PM | Think about the immaturity of (Score:1)
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Think about the immaturity of some of these national recruiting guys (Mike Farrell, etc.) and then consider that high school kids are being used as sources via Twitter and Facebook. It's a bad combination.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: May 13

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July 31st, 2012 at 1:04 PM | According to this brief (Score:2)
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According to this brief youtube video, Coleman Key was 6'4'' and 195 lbs as a freshman in highschool. He appears to have decent touch and can throw well on the move. Go ahead and interpret the limited footage for yourself.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTrtgpfwPHw

 

 

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July 31st, 2012 at 1:08 PM | The "Top 5" (Score:3 Normal)
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thing just makes me crazy. It doesn't benefit anyone except the recruiting services, both the real ones and the glorified fans. I swear, if I am ever reincarnated as a potential D1 athlete, you people are going to hate me.

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July 31st, 2012 at 8:40 PM | Good point. But you might (Score:2)
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Good point. But you might cave if you have a bunch of recruiting services and fanboys calling, texting, emailing, twittering, gchatting, and facebook-messaging you every day wondering WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SCHOOL DAWG

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July 31st, 2012 at 1:11 PM | Diamond Life (Score:0 Overrated)
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Not to be a Debbie-downer but Laquon Treadwell  is reminding me of Jordan Diamond from last year. A heavy Michigan lean for months on end and then.......

Ace, thanks for all your updates, they're excellent!

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July 31st, 2012 at 1:30 PM | TOTALLY DIFFERENT (Score:0 Overrated)
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This is a COMPLETELY different situation...

  1. I don't think most of us ever considered Treadwell a heavy lean
  2. Treadwell has maintained that he's going to take his visits (I'm assuming he's going to Michigan, OK, OKST, UF and LSU...if he cancels any of those (outside of Michigan) then it's just gravy)
  3. He's gotten advice to just take his time, and that's what he's done...even though if it is clear that Michigan is the currently leader

Also Diamond ended up at Auburn and there are rumors (I'm sure you can find them if you search hard enough) as to how he ended up at Auburn. Diamond was a heavy Michigan lean, then he went silent, then in the last couple of weeks Michigan was neck-and-neck with everyone else until they were eventually surpassed. If I remember correctly, he didn't even sign on Signing Day (or any other day he said he would).

Diamond was clearly playing games, being uncertain, and/or not telling the whole truth during his recruitment.

Treadwell has changed his mind a little bit, but he's certainly done what he's said he's going to do. Treadwell's recruitment reminds me of Chris Wormley.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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July 31st, 2012 at 1:45 PM | I agree that Treadwell is (Score:5 Normal)
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I agree that Treadwell is more Wormley than Diamond.

Another big difference - before Diamond committed, we got commitments from a massive OT (Braden), a highly touted top-50 OT (Magnuson), a 5-star OT/OG (Kalis) and another 4-star-ish OT (Bars). Not to mention Stacey was still committed then. If we were still in major need of an OT, the coaches and players may have put more heat on Diamond like they're doing to guys like Treadwell and Green now, or he would have felt better about his spot on the team. As it stood, he would have been the sixth OL commit, with a few of them rated higher than he was.

That whole situation could have discouraged a once-lock to look elsewhere. This is not the case with Treadwell, luckily.

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July 31st, 2012 at 1:54 PM | Very interesting takes from (Score:1)
New Kid On The Blog
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Very interesting takes from both you and Mr. Yost. Thanks, I feel better!

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July 31st, 2012 at 2:22 PM | Or you could compare him to (Score:1 Overrated)
WolvinLA2
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Or you could compare him to BWC. Will was such a Michigan lean early that he was a commit. Then he decommitted, visited, and re-committed to us at the AAA game. Some guys commit early, some guys commit late.

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August 4th, 2012 at 10:14 AM | TOTALLY DIFFERENT (Score:0 Trolling)
Mr. Yost
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This is a COMPLETELY different situation...

  1. I don't think most of us ever considered Treadwell a heavy lean
  2. Treadwell has maintained that he's going to take his visits (I'm assuming he's going to Michigan, OK, OKST, UF and LSU...if he cancels any of those (outside of Michigan) then it's just gravy)
  3. He's gotten advice to just take his time, and that's what he's done...even though if it is clear that Michigan is the currently leader

Also Diamond ended up at Auburn and there are rumors (I'm sure you can find them if you search hard enough) as to how he ended up at Auburn. Diamond was a heavy Michigan lean, then he went silent, then in the last couple of weeks Michigan was neck-and-neck with everyone else until they were eventually surpassed. If I remember correctly, he didn't even sign on Signing Day (or any other day he said he would).

Diamond was clearly playing games, being uncertain, and/or not telling the whole truth during his recruitment.

Treadwell has changed his mind a little bit, but he's certainly done what he's said he's going to do. Treadwell's recruitment reminds me of Chris Wormley.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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July 31st, 2012 at 1:21 PM | Morris... (Score:0 Offtopic)
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I hope Shane has a chance to take some days off...he's looked absolutely burnt out between The Opening and this Gridiron Kings. I haven't seen him smile less since we've recruited him.

I really wish he and Treadwell would've been in A2 for the BBQ with the guys instead.

I think HS ball will be a good change for him, but he'll have more eyes/pressure on him this year than ever before. Hopefully he and his family can just take a week or two from all of the attention, drama, etc. and just relax.

I'm starting to feel like a redshirt year isn't in Shane's absolute best interest...just to take a year to focus a little less on football, more on class and being a college kid.

I'm probably looking into things too much, but his body language, not smiling, lack of energy...it's noticable. Seems like he's going through the motions sometimes (which is still DAMN good). Hopefully he can shut it down and then go be with teammates both this year and when he's in Ann Arbor for 3-5 years.

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July 31st, 2012 at 2:41 PM | Is Behemoth a town in (Score:2)
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Is Behemoth a town in Georgia, description of Orlando, or both?

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July 31st, 2012 at 3:26 PM | 247Sports Composite Rankings already being tweaked (Score:4 Normal)
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It looks like they are starting to work the bugs out as the rankings have changed (changes noted in bold--all upgrades). As expected the differences are in the bottom half of the rankings (players on the border or outside top150-300 lists). The largest changes are on the guys toward the bottom of the list. Not sure what data they are using to rank these players (using either position rankings or just solely player ratings/stars).

16. Shane Morris
55. Dymonte Thomas
62. Kyle Bosch
74. Patrick Kugler
82. Chris Fox
114. Henry Poggi
116. Mike McCray
122. David Dawson
133. Logan Tuley-Tillman
137. Taco Charlton
145. Jourdan Lewis
152. Jake Butt
190. Ben Gedeon
201. DeVeon Smith
213. Gareon Conley
240. Wyatt Shallman
297. Maurice Hurst, Jr.
305. Jaron Dukes
350. Ross Douglas
528. Csont'e York
622. Khalid Hill

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July 31st, 2012 at 4:02 PM | A couple of people brought up (Score:2)
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A couple of people brought up the possibility of McQuay being told to decide now or there might not be a spot before Douglas committed.  Each time they were down voted on this site, with people saying it was obvious McQuay was told this after Douglas came on board.  The quote above from McQuay's dad sure makes it sound like it was before Douglas dropped and that it had nothing to do with a potential commitment from Green.

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July 31st, 2012 at 9:46 PM | Scout (Score:0)
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I was on Scout a little bit ago and there is a paywalled article that says: Per Sam Webb: UMs position w/Treadwell 'has eroded." I was curious if any of the readers here have any clue what the article says.

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August 1st, 2012 at 4:08 PM | This just screams of (Score:1)
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This just screams of recruiting violations.  I hope the NCAA doesn't get wind of these photos.  I'm not sure it's within the rules to be giving recruits jerseys and gear...

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