that doesn't mean all 10RBs will commit. I'm sure R.R. and his staff know a hell of a lot about recruiting and giving offers then you son. There is method to this madness.
Too many ofers on offense
Woo-sah brother. Woo-sah
ive often thought the same thing. i hope it doesnt pan out that way
Rodriguez has stated that the first defensive recruit to accept an offer will be the only defensive recruit in the class of 2010. He wants to reserve the other 24 slots for offensive players.
Perhaps you should write Rodriguez a letter or contact him at his office. I'm sure he doesn't realize that we need defensive players, too. You would be doing him a favor. Thank goodness you're around.
Hmmm I'm pretty sure Rodriguez knows what he's doing. He has been a head coach for what, probably 15 years total?
So we can never question anything he does?
Nobody's saying that.
But when we don't know how many offers are out there and it's ONE FULL YEAR before signing day, it's too early to start lambasting the coaching staff for not putting out enough defensive offers. Signing day was just three weeks ago!
True. Criticizing him now for this is stupid, but I still think the backlash on this board was a bit harsh for what was an honest question. Not everyone is an expert on the college recruiting process.
Well, then he could have asked "Why have we offered so many RB's, don't we need defenders?" rather than phrasing it as "RR is fukcing this up".
You have to offer a lot of kids to get a decent number to commit. Also, I would expect to see a few offensive players moved to defense if they get caught in the numbers game.
Then, of course, there is attrition. Maybe Threet will go to EMU and they can start a pipeline from UM to EMU for players who won't see a lot of playing time at UM. It won't work for the Florida players, who can transfer to USF, UCF, FAU, or FIU if they aren't quite good enough for an elite program, but it might help both RR and Ron English if an arrangement was made. RR gets more control over his attrition and the appearance of benevolence, and English gets recruits he normally wouldn't get. And it's not like the move from Ann Arbor to Ypsi is that far, either.
Anyway, I am not worried yet. If, however, defense becomes a chronic problem for UM, I will be concerned at the direction of the program. For now, though, I am giving RR a "free ride" and trusting his judgement until I see reason to feel differently.
As a person who "bitched loud and long" about Carr's offense for the last four years of his tenure at UM, I am in the "you asked for it, you got it" position right now. Consequently, I am very happy to see him concentrate on the offense. So, I am happy to see as many recruits on that side of the ball as RR wants to sign.
takes longer to evaluate defensive players. then of course there's the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.
According to the recruiting board at Varsity Blue we have 5 RB offers out there. With this new one that you speak of on rivals that brings us to 6. Don't worry my child, they won't all commit to us. And if they do, well then we'll be running a true ninja offense won't we? And that is what we wanted all along.
I am just going to go ahead and make all the jokes for this post.
-OMG RR doesn't know he's not in the Big East
-RR doesn't respect UM's defensive tradition
-Les Miles recruits only defensive players
-RR not worry about DEFENSE he know defense be GOOD
-Greg Robinson is hurting our defensive recruiting
-Some sort of recipe involving roadkill
Feel free to add any others that I may have forgotten.
There are at least 8 running backs with Michigan offers:
That's all I can think of, but I guess there could be 10. There's more than 6, anyway.
basically dont ever say anything that could even remotely be construed as bad about rr unless you want the "OMG RETARD" postings.
in case you cant tell by reading this blog, rr is a slight step below jesus when it comes to perfection. he has never made a single mistake. ever. in his entire life. ever.
and if you think otherwise you're just a fairweather fan who had an obsession with satan himself, lloyd carr. you asshole.
Don't listen to drewsharp. He's just mad because he's an OMG RETARD.
Just don't say stupid shit that makes it sound like you know more about recruiting/coaching than the actual coaches. It's one thing to ask the questions "Do we have more defensive recruits? Do those offers go out later?" It's another thing to say "OMG RR isn't recruiting defensive players" One's a question the other is just stupid.
Oh, and RR is above Jesus but below Unicorns. A lot below.
5) White Jesus (AKA "The Tate")
6) Matt Damon
Does ??? = Zima?
Chrisgocomment's post here is dumb and he has no clue. How can this list not include CONER!
Seriously Chris, get a clue. Your post shows that you know nothing about anything ever.
And no Tebow? No list is ever complete without that guy.
What's phase two?
It is one thing to be objective and it is another to talk out of your ass, which is what your buddy and you are doing. Given that it is February, we have almost an entire year to recruit, its not like signing day is coming up in another week or two. Secondly, out of the 22 recruits we just signed, 10 of them happen to be on defense, a five star defensive tackle and two at defensive end, our biggest position of need last year. If you want to throw in Cam Gordon and Denard Robinson who could end up on defense down the line, that is 12 defensive recruits. Keep in mind also that we lost 2 defensive tackles on signing day as well. So to say that we aren't recruiting defense is absurd. As for next year, we have 11 months until signing day so there is nothing to worry about. As others have already stated, outside of the top defensive guys out there, it takes a longer time to evaluate these guys to see how they will project in college.
Drew, this post, and thus you, is misguided because:
a) Scholarships offers are not irrevokable. If we get 3 RB's, we'll pull the rest of the offers. All 8 will not possibly come.
b) Even if we didn't pull offers, the closing rate on scholarship offers is probably somewhere under 40%. If we need 3 to 4 RB's (after this year, the only RB's on the roster will be Shaw, Cox, and Toussaint (possibly Smith and Jones, but people say they'll be slots) offering eight is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
i wasnt actually the one who posted this thread chitown
I know, but by creating a strawman argument where you claim that everyone who disagrees does so out of a slavish devotion to Rodriguez rather than the fact that the post makes no sense, you are misguided.
thanks dude, I needed you approval.
you havent been on this blog long enough to understand. someone posts a comment that others deem is stupid, then the wla and their hordes of chrisgocomments come on to bully that person. it doesnt seem to make sense, since if the commment was that stupid in the first place they could have just ignored it....
(softly playing violin)
chitown...you're extra fiesty today i see. picking more fights on mgoblog than usual.
(violin continues, lights dim)
Hordes = One?
I just always thought you were mocking Drew Sharp. You've been serious this whole time?
He meant to say "whores of Chrisgocomment's." His typing skills are lacking.
my wife's not going to like that...
And what the fuck. I also come in and rip on people. No credit? Sorry my workday actually starts at noon your time, I miss the good morning charades.
maybe the man was worried about the state of our defense and would like to see a bit more of a priority on the defense side of the ball for recruting? i dont know what he was thinking. but given what our defense did last year, what we all think it might do this year, and rr's fascination with the offensive side of the ball, i would not say this post makes "no sense"
No, it doesn't make sense, because offering 8 scholarships at at RB in no way, shape, or form suggests that defense is being neglected or ignored.
We already have some DB's who are likely to commit, as you mentioned.
The 2010 defensive tackle crop is weak. That's not to say that we won't offer any, but those may take a while.
We already have a pretty good chance with some DE's.
So that leaves linebacker and DT as points of emphasis. And like MGoObes said above, defensive players take longer to evaluate. And while we're thin at PROVEN linebackers, we have a decent number of unproven/incoming guys. And all of our starting linebackers have at least two years of eligibility remaining (Ezeh, Mouton, and whoever else).
Okay, I think that's enough for now.
I know they won't all accept, but what happens if "too many" of them do?
We're losing at least three RB's (Brown, Minor, Grady) after this year. We currently have somewhere around 8 offers out. We'll probably take 3 or 4 if we can get them. If we get to three - which will take a long time if it happens - we might take another guy only if he has some position flexibility or if he's Lache Seastrunk.
"Too many of them" won't commit. Just like when OSU started pulling offers off the table when they got too full of DB's this past year, we'll start to pull offers. Or we'll just stop recruit a guy we don't want anymore, a la Jordan Barnes.
Then some may wind up playing on defense.
That is pretty rare. Most recruits want playing time and won't commit to a team with excessive competition.
The offers will be pulled unless they are super studs.
Its like at work - Everday, I get a list of 125 sales calls to make and I think "I can't handle 125 sales today!" I don't understand closing ratios any better than you do, so I agree. Lets make an offer, wait for a definative response and then make another offer to someone else - if we have to.
If you don't actually field a defense at all, then the opposing team will score on the first play of every drive.
THAT way, we get the ball back into the hands of our ninja offense that much sooner! Brilliant!
I am just stating the obvious fact that from the amount of offers going out a hell of a lot more of them are on offense. It doesn't take a genius to know that. Also from what Greg Robinson said how we have less players on the roster. It is troubling, that is all. I believe in RR a ton. Doesn't mean you can't speculate or be concerned. That is the whole fun of being a fan.
a) It's fine to speculate. Some speculations can be idiotic, though.
b) You don't know what offers have gone out. The only way you find out about an offer is if Scout or Rivals or TomVH reports it. I'm sure there are some offers that have been given out that you, nor I, are not aware of.
c) Refer to MGoObes' post above - offensive players are easier (and quicker) to scout than defensive players.
Does anyone recall the fears everyone had last summer that RR was only recruiting little 5'9" 150lb speedsters and ignoring other positions of need like DE? And look how last years class turned out. 10 of our 22 recruits are defensive players with several who could play on both sides and our top 2 recruits were both defensive players. Chill, if come next december we have no defensive recruits, then you can start worrying.
Doesn't anyone consider that some of the delay n throwing out defensive offers is due to the fact that GERG just took over the job recently? He is likely going through a process of evaluating the current players on the roster, determining what needs there are to fill, and re-establishing his points of contact with coaches and players as DC at Michigan.
It all takes time, but are likely early steps in creating a consistent and coherent approach between staff and recruits for defense.
worried about TEAM, Coach Rod worried about PROGRAM.
that just your EPINION.
that never gets old (not sarcasm)
Did we get all the recruits we offered in 09?? Well, if we did we would be stacked at QB and every other position. No other BCS school would have recruits at all(OK, just a few for lack of housing in AA) as our walk-on program skyrockets.....Anarchy ensues. And so on.......
We B fine. I would like to see about 30 offers out to DB's though(damn safety hating god couldn't possibly claim all their souls).
options at RB. We've got another year of Minor and at most we can expect him to carry what... 75% of the RB carries this year? At most.
That doesn't account for injury and then consider how important RB is in RR's offense and the uncertainty of recruits panning out and it all adds up to needing a lot of options at RB.
Given all that, I'm still not sure why every one is riding the poster for bringing up a relevant point however butchered, smashed, bloody and twitching it may be on the hors d'oeuvres plate of offseason questions.
We're getting to learn more about RR as a coach and at this point, I'm thinking when he's looking for roster spots to fill and talent to grab, yes, he's almost always thinking offense first. Now I know what you're going to say... astonishingly perceptive... brilliant even. Save your accolades for Tebow. I'm just a team player, doing my part to keep the stirred pot swirling.
I wonder who the 8th safety to get an offer for 2010 will be, and can he possibly live up to the standards set by Stevie Brown and Charles Stewart? The true impact players of 2008.
Caleb Lavey's dad was an equipment manager under Bo.
Will tell you that a player with red hair is bad luck. Better not let him sign an LoI.
You got served.
Look, if we are going to be irrational, let's confine it to one school, please.