Tom Izzo To Cavs Probability: Rising Comment Count

Brian

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Just because everything is happening all at once and these things are the variety of news that goes yes-no-yes-no-yes-no in the modern world, here's a random 10PM update on one of the Stories Of Our Time.

The Only Colors isn't using DEFCON to measure its Izzo departure panic level, but on a scale of 1-10 they're at 4.5 and KJ is still "well under 50%." He admits that's moving towards things he hopes instead of things he thinks, and I might be in the same boat: I think they're inching just over 50% but admit that is also a necessarily biased opinion.

I've got some reasons, though. TOC appears to be banking on the idea that Izzo will do a Billy Donovan-esque pullout, because the people on the team are predicting a departure. Delvon Roe's dad:

Blanton, who lives near Cleveland, has not spoken with Izzo. But he said he thinks Izzo will end up taking the Cavs job. "My opinion is, I think he's gonna leave," Blanton said. "When you keep it in the air this long. ... I don' t know if he's happy where he's at right now."

That's considerably less encouraging* than the original Rexrode blog post, which just mentioned Blanton's opinion that Izzo was out without giving the details. Blanton appears to be guessing.

On the other hand, this opinion may have come from his son and appears to be an opinion shared by multiple current Spartan players:

Sources have told The Plain Dealer that Michigan State players left a meeting with Tom Izzo Tuesday night believing he was going to leave to accept Gilbert's offer to become the next Cavaliers coach. Izzo didn't tell them that, he called the meeting to acknowledge reports that he'd been offered the job, but players left afraid they were about to lose their coach.

And as if on cue given the Ethics Throwdown this weekend, Cleveland blog Waiting For Next Year just plain says Izzo is headed to Cleveland:

Sources close to WFNY have informed us that Tom Izzo has told his players at Michigan State that he plans on taking the Cavaliers job.  Our sources have heard directly from players on the MSU team that Izzo informed them this week that he is planning on making the move up to the NBA level under the ownership of MSU grad Dan Gilbert.

This has caused much consternation on the twitters from local beatwriters, ESPN's Pat Forde, and various other national basketball reporting folk. And… yeah… they're not wrong. WFNY's report has been directly refuted by multiple sources, with direct quotes from Blanton. This is yet another example of someone jumping the gun.

On the other hand, this sarcasm from Forde…

Stunned that anonymous blog got this wrong. RT @LarryLage MSU asst Mark Montgomery told AP Izzo informed players Tues he has talked to Cavs

…is wildly provincial given the events of the past month—which have seen a parade of false reports about conference expansion—let alone the few months that have passed since the Chicago Sun-Times refused to let the Stoops-to-ND rumors die. Mainstream media folk pretending that blogs have cornered the market on erroneous reports are just as annoying as bloggers blithely stating that the proper amount of ethics is none.

Still: WFNY could have broken a major story if they'd just, you know, gotten it right. I don't necessarily blame them. As I discovered during Michigan's coaching search, and the Sun-Times will discover sometime in 2015 when it finally becomes clear to them that Bob Stoops is not Notre Dame's next coach, these situations are nightmares to report. Solid information is thin on the ground, minds can change in an instant, and certain parties are motivated to leak information to get what they want, whether it's true or false. Getting something wrong is going to happen.

But now that there are direct quotes contradicting their story they should give readers as much detail as they can about why they believe what they do and leave the decision in the reader's hand. They're "standing by" their original report after multiple people have called them liars. It's time to stop hiding behind "sources." That's a Sun-Times move. Here's this blog's primordial example from the coaching search, and the ur-example from the Morgan Trent Broken Hand New Media Fiasco. As it is, even if Izzo does take the job they were just wrong first.

[UPDATE: WFNY has done the full data dump suggested here. I still think they would have gotten a lot less attention straight away and looked better long term if they had gone for the soft sell, but it's a major step in the right direction.]

*(I'm not even going to pretend that I'm not pulling like a mofo for Izzo to leave. Blah blah blah, Michigan is its own program, etc: lies. The absolute best State can do is get a coach just as good, and the chances of that are small.)

Comments

Brady2Terrell

June 10th, 2010 at 9:33 AM ^

Is it just me that feels like rooting for Izzo to leave so that MSU will implode and we'll look better relative to them is very Sparty-esque?  C'mon, Michigan - we're not going to be good at basketball until we're good at basketball, and MSU imploding just makes the overall Big Ten brand worse.  Izzo leaving MSU is a loss for college basketball - as a fan of college sports, I'd like to see him stay (and then have us start actually beating him of course, but rooting for him to leave seems more like giving up on our part).

I qualify this with one caveat - if Izzo left to go to the Cavs, got fired in two years, and then we replaced Beilein with Izzo, that'd be hilarious.

Shalom Lansky

June 10th, 2010 at 10:49 AM ^

I don't like Michigan State.  I don't like Tom Izzo.   I don't like Mark Dantonio.  I don't like their female president named Lou. I don't like green.  I don't like white.  I don't like East Lansing. 

There is nothing good about who they are and what they do.  Therefore, I hope Izzo leaves and the one remotely positive they can identify with crumbles.  This is not as much about Michigan as it is my dislike for everything Spartan.

ty@thelionsinwinter

June 10th, 2010 at 10:58 AM ^

I've been commenting on Waiting For Next Year's 'clarification' post, and it's clear that they don't understand what they did.  They're "standing by" their report, despite the fact that everyone involved has gone on record to directly refute that report.  They seem to think that if Izzo ultimately leaves, they'll somehow be vindicated, even though they reported something that wasn't true as truth.

Also, they admit in their clarification post that all three of their three sources probably heard it from the same place (Roe's coach), meaning they had three different people telling them the same rumor, not three different primary sources.

Peace

Ty

SysMark

June 10th, 2010 at 11:14 AM ^

I don't want him leaving before Beilein gets a chance to beat him - more than once.  Nothing like sweet revenge over one who has been knocking you down for so long.  We are going to get back on top of MSU and I want Izzo there when it happens.

I actually like and admire Izzo.  That's why beating MSU with him there will be that much more satisfying.

Token_sparty

June 10th, 2010 at 11:16 AM ^

Izzo has said on many occasions that the reason college coaches fail in the NBA is that they take dog-crap jobs- bad owners, no franchise vision, low quality of players, etc.  He won't go unless he's sold that they have a good owner (check), a vision for the franchise (open question), and good players (here, LeBron equals 'good players').  Spartan fans know Izzo is restless and driven.  He has the chance for coaching immortality if he can succeed in Cleveland, but prospects for that are dim if LeBron doesn't stay.  I think he will go if he has a chance to coach LeBron, and stay if the magic 8-ball comes up 'outlook hazy- try again later'.  As an MSU fan, I'd be unhappy, but I understand.  Dude wants to be the best, and can't say he's the best until he wins in the NBA.  Money isn't the primary driver here, but I'm sure it helps.

To the guy who wants him to fail in Cleveland and get hired by UM two years out- dreams are nice, but not a very good foundation for action.  It'll never happen.  If anything, he'd come back to MSU, and they'd broom out whoever was there.  If he somehow did decide to rescue a sh*tty program like Michigan, he'd only be doing it to show, 'look how good I am- I can even coach Michigan to success', and all his love in EL would evaporate instantly.  Queme los sofas, indeed.

Tater

June 10th, 2010 at 12:05 PM ^

I don't know of any alternate universe in which Izzo's leaving would make Michigan "worse." 

It doesn't matter as much in football becuase Michigan isn't a prime recruiting state for sheer numbers, but one could field a decent NBA team of players from the state of Michigan.  Becuase Michigan is still a very good state for basketball players, anything that directly affects MSU in a negative way is going to affect UM in a positive way. 

The converse of this is how Izzo built his program in the first place; the scandal affected UM in a negative way and he had his pick of instate recruits for most of the "aughts."  I am hoping all hell breaks loose in EL: Izzo leaves, Summers and Lucas feel "lied to" or "taken advantage of," and MSU is suddenly a .500 team this season.

It probably won't happen quite as soon as I would like, but it certainly would be nice to see UM take advantage of a mediocre MSU to regain its erstwhile dominance in basketball, too. 

MGoShoe

June 10th, 2010 at 1:32 PM ^

...info indicates TOC and RCMB should set Izzo Departure THREATCON Level to 4 (BTW, in the military, threat, readiness, alert, and defense levels go from 1 to 5, not to 10) for extremely high threat.

Tom Izzo is apparently closer to saying yes to the Cleveland Cavaliers than previously thought, a source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz on Thursday.

That source discussed Izzo's future with a close confidant of Izzo, who is coaching in the NBA. The source told Katz that Izzo, who talked to his team earlier this week about his interest in the Cavaliers, is leaning toward taking the job if it is offered.

"Three weeks ago that wasn't the case, but it has changed,'' said the source.

Izzo is meeting with Cleveland to discuss the team's coaching vacancy on Thursday.

mgoblue0970

June 10th, 2010 at 4:33 PM ^

Don't understand this at all... isn't Izzo already bringing in $3M per?  He'll receive 1 or 2 more in the NBA for the privilege of coaching spoiled divas who won't listen to him.  Is that worth it?  The lifespan of the average pro coach is short and college success does not translate to the pros.

 We've seen LeBron become quite a douche over the years from hiding video of being dunked on to tanking games in the playoffs.  Why the hell would Izzo want to leave what he built at Moo U. for THAT!!!

But then again I used to think the same thing about Pete Carrol and now we all know how that turned out.  Ooops.

That would be a helluva rumor to start, Izzo bailing on Moo U., to avoid being held accountable for major NCAA rules infractions.