I hate to add another thread out there on this topic (sorry chitown, I'll be oblique as I can), but can you make some calls and just dispel/confirm it for us? It's a pretty big deal but it seems like no one actually has any info...
Tom, can you address "the rumor"
I'm very hesitant to say anything about this, because of what happened with "McGuffie gate."
All I'm going to say at this point, is that this is not a rumor.
Please don't ask me to say anything else, because it's not appropriate right now. If a decision is made, lets respect the kids and families involved, and let them announce it.
I think we all learned a lesson from the last mess.
Thanks Tom. I just wanted to see if it had progressed past "random MLive comment" status. No need for any more info, we'll have to wait and see.
Yeesh. I will say no more.
Tom - you'll never have a career in politics with such a shitty "no comment" technique.
well, I'm not saying it's going to happen or it's not. We should just stop worrying about it, and we'll all find out together.
I guess it's a slow Friday night for everyone
You are smart, talented and showed a great attitude. You took licks and got up and tried again. You ran hard. You made some super plays. Freshmen rarely come in and produce great results. This is especially true when nearly the entire supporting cast is new as well. But you never quit trying.
To hang the 2008 win/loss record on you (or Nick) is ridiculous. How many close games were lost because of special teams turnovers, or breakdowns in the secondary, etc. This is a team sport. Win together, lose together. You played well enough to help the team win at least 3, maybe 4 or 5, more games. Very respectable considering the young lineup.
Hang in there. You have a very good chance to play quarterback at the University of Michigan.
I second the motion.
I like Threet a lot. Well, not his elbow. But other than that I like him a lot. I think that with this offseason worth of practice and if he can stay healthy, I think he can definitely be the starter through out most, if not all, of next year. I have high hopes for Threet.
Consider it thirded.
I cannot imagine coming into Michigan as a freshman and being told, "hey - we're going to go throw you in front of over 100k ravenous fans (and more that happen to be watching on TV) and let them judge your ability." Class and grades were scary enough. I can't imagine being starting quarterback.
Rodriguez is going after top-flight dual-threat quarterbacks and Threet doesn't fit that mold.
Rodriguez never would have recruited Threet in a million years.
Rodriguez has already demonstrated that he is willing to start freshmen over more experienced players.
Not sure what his creidt situation is but if Threet plays this year and pushes himself to graduate next spring or summer, couldn't he pull a Guittierez and transfer again without sitting out the year since he would be a grad student?
This would allow to accrue playing time as a backup this year and immediately start somewhere else in 2010.
He just finished his academic sophomore year, if a got any credits at GA Tech and took summer classes, then this might be doable. Seems like that result would be good for both the program (this year) and him getting another shot to start somewhere else.
Rather than speculate further (now that we have the official "no comment" from Tom), I think we should all sit back and wait to see what happens. Just my opinion, though, which obviously counts very little.
I'm guessing if somethings going to change we'll know by the first week of spring practice
Forcier and Shoelace would never see the field if Threet stays. Threet, if nothing else, would provide a good transition to ease these frosh into the role. If you don't think that's valuable, then he would still provide a better backup option than Sheridan (3rd stringers matter too). If you don't think either of those matter, then he would provide valuable competition to the freshman, as well as be able to impart some words of wisdom to them from having a year of experience.
The potential upside from his departure: 1 scholarship.
I definitely do not find a scholarship more valuable than what I named above.
And given the usual jump in efficacy from freshman to sophomore, he should do better than that.
Are you ready to say the same when Tate or Shoelace fumble away an easy pitch, throw a horrible TAINT, or act like freshmen? Because if you are not, then don't knock Threet for struggling as (basically) a freshman behind a horrible offensive line, with one legitimate wide receiver, and a running game that only got on track toward the end of the season, after his Exploding Elbow disease had taken effect.
So if he does transfer somewhere, he would be a fourth year sophomore by the time he hits the field again. How many times can you transfer and still play? Does it matter?
He can go I-AA and play right away.
He's already red-shirted. So, if he went to an FBS school (I'm not even sure he'd be allowed to at this point) he's lose a year of eligibility and be a 4th year Junior when he played again.
Does he plan to try his luck in the NFL? I really like the guy, but I don't see him making it there. But I guess if he really loves football and wants to play, then...good luck.
If he is going to transfer, there are other things in play, because I still think that he is likely to start - at least at the beginning of the year. I would hate to see him go as I think he can run this offense, and while not ideal, is good to have around while the freshmen learn and if one gets hurt and the other is not ready. The thought of Nick Sheridan being one heartbeat away from playing again is not comforting.
..we've got Nader Furrha on the roster. : )
So again, this is the "source" of the rumors. Keep in mind that this poster is not a regular guy and is most likely full of it.
Thread # 299586
"A friend who works within football program, told me Threet is serious about transfering. According to my friend, ST will meet with RR today to ask for release. Whether or not RR will talk him out of it, my friend does not know. Accordng to friend, Threet felt RR blamed him to much for past seasons record, also unhappy with some coaches.
Sorry, I don't have a link. Of course I will not give out friends name. I have no reason to lie or make this up, not trying to flame or cause any trouble. Just passing on info. If RR talks ST into staying, this probably doesn't become news and I look bad. If I here any more info, I'll pass it on."
But others, independently, have now chimed in and it seems clear this isn't JUST a rumor.
Just cuz it was justified thus time does not mean we should be posting live rumors here. 95% of mlive is garbage, don't bring it here til you have a more credible source to back it up
Is any message board more or less credible than another?
but there are message boards with a lot less dumb shit on them than mlive.
I like this blog just as much as the next man, but it's not like this message board is very credible. There is one or two credible sources here. The rest is just garbage posted by guys stating obscene scenarios about recruits and games we should have won, and then people crying for the rest of the thread that the headline isn't informative enough. (but yet it is comical)
thousands of times better.
is using Mlive as his source. My guess is he has some other indication that this rumor has legs.
i dont know if this is credible enough either, but i found it intriguing
He goes to EMU
+1 for precognition
If true, someone needs to talk some sense into him. He'd most likely sit the bench at any good D1 program. Be a Mark Elzinga. Concentrate on school son, your future isn't at the next level.
You sir, are a brilliant human being.
You don't have to call me sir, son.
But, as stated several times above, he could not go to a D1 program.
Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ, how many times during the coaching search did some idiot claiming to know someone deeply connected in the athletic department assure us that the new coach was going to be Kirk Ferentz, or Steve Sarkisian, or Marvin Lewis, or any of the other ridiculously implausible names floating around the blogosphere back then? Now we have another knucklehead saying ""A friend who works within football program, told me that Threet is serious about transfering." Anyone lending this statement the tiniest bit of credibility makes the most wacky UFO nut look like a deep skeptic.
It seems as though there might be more to this than just an Mlive post. Tom Beaver has, apparently, been blogging about these rumors, too.
When it was just an MLive comment it was a rumor. It has progressed long past that now. The premium boards are talking about it (Threet pic on pront page of Scout) and our own Tom has confirmed it's NOT just a rumor but no further details.
If he stays now, it seems it's because he changed his mind. Clearly he told people he wants out but has yet to make up his mind. It is playing out just like the McGuffie "rumors" did. People are just being more cautious this time and letting things play out because the McGuffie chatter almost led to egg all over the faces of Brian and Tom.
Of course things are always subject to change. If they do (I hope), then it doesn't mean it was a rumor all along. This is not baseless speculation.
What is Britney doing with her life?
...best of luck to him, and let's all move on. There are 3 very young QBs on the roster, and 2 of them will likely split the snaps next year. Things will be just fine.
I'm of the belief that if Rich Rod wants to run a spread offense, he should play the QB he wants to win with from day one. Does anyone here think anyone other than Terrelle Pryor would have started from day one on campus? I'm not comparing Pryor to Forcier or Robinson except as to the style of offense they are QBs for. The best way for this team to gel with Rich Rod's offense is to have the offense together and to develop through the season. The best way to do that is to throw Tate and Denard in there right away.
Again, not comparing the players, just the first-year situation. West Virginia went 11-1 in 2005. Pat White played in 9 games, including the second game of the season. The team did fine. According to what we've read, Tate has been trained for years and is acclimating fine. Coach probably will be confident to have Tate and Denard play against Western and we'll go from there.
Losing Threet would hurt because he has experience. If a forcier type was available last year to compete with Threet, there's no question that forcier would have won. Freshman Forcier vs. soph Threet is a tougher question, at least to start.
We'll know more after spring practice - but in short I agree.
I will add, that when healthy, Threet appeared to have a good grasp of the offense. His accuracy was not good, but he was making good reads.
After he got hurt, he lost his limited ability to keep on the zone read option and his play really suffered for that and his other physical limitations.
I think he is perfectly capable of running this offense and hope he stays and competes because I think he would be the likely starter and the beginning of the year.
Did you watch the first half of the Wisconsin game? And, there had to be a reason why he didn't start over Sheridan.
I would question why RR isn't trying to move forward to install his offense, his program, his identity, by using Threet to help Forcier fit in in the first few games. I say get Forcier out there and then bring in a different QB if Tate isn't getting it done. That should be Threet's role if he stays.
It sounds to me like Forcier has been working like crazy to be ready for day one. I haven't heard those same reports about Threet. Is Threet doing the prep work like Tate? If so, it'll be a closer competition. If he's not, I think Tate will be ready to step in in September because Threet rarely looked at ease in RR's offense. RR stripped it down significantly due to Threet and Sheridan's shortcomings (I remember at the NW game that every time Michigan was on a side hash they would run the RB sweep to the short side - every time - in the first half. The playbook was incredibly shallow, no matter the weather).
Does anyone here think senior Threet starts over junior Tate? If the answer is no, then just start Forcier's education at QB from game one - there's no reason to mix in Threet unless a game is close and Tate needs to be benched.
avoiding sink-or-swim situations where possible. The transition from HS to B10 is a big one. If we have someone who has been there before to help ease the transition, it can only help. Sure, it could be the case that Forcier rises to the challenge and overcomes everything from the first snap...but no reason to force the issue. Ideally, we'd like to put Threet in there on game 1 and get a score or 2, then put in our best frosh. There's less pressure, the game is in progress, a mistake won't kill us, etc.
So right about now you will say something like "well, he has to get in there sometime!" And you're right, but we should take every opportunity to make a graceful transition if we can. Threet gives us that opportunity. And obviously, if Threet were to start and just suck, we'd have to bite the bullet and toss the frosh into the fire, down a score or 2. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't TRY to make it a little easier on the frosh.
that having a safety net such as Threet around would be nice for us all. But, if this rumor is true, Forcier and Denard are it for us unless Hemingway/Minor/Brown/Gallon get some Wolvecat love.
If we're left with Tate starting I won't be any more concerned than if Threet would have started because I won't have 2008 flashbacks. Rich Rod will undoubtedly rely on Minor, Brown and Shaw more, and will utilize the short passing game with the outside talent. If Tate can hit the short screens, slants, and keep the corner defenders honest on the spread read (which Forcier could definitely NOT save one run against Miami (OH) and Wisconsin each) the O-line will be able to better hold blocks this year, and our offense will be better.
Don't forget our running game was surprisingly better for average last year than 2007 (shocking). If the running game progresses this year it could add a yard to the average, maybe more. Doing that would reduce the 3 and outs, and would be highly significant to the team's success.
I really doubt our rushing average is going to go up by a yard. That's a huge jump.
Think back to how many times we got dropped for a 3 yard loss when rushing. That should almost never happen, and with a good line it rarely does. Our line will be much improved and should eliminate a good chuck of TFL in the rushing area. I also have faith in a senior Minor and improved Shaw + a bunch of others to bust off more long runs than last year.
We didn't lose anyone on offense, have a much improved line (should, anyway), and have a much better rushing threat at QB. I don't think a modest increase is out of the question.
...but I don't know that it's likely either.
Michigan averaged 3.91 ypc last year. Raising that average by a yard would put it at 4.91, obviously. Only 18 teams averaged 4.91+ ypc last year.
Our pass offense will still probably be poor, so teams will still be able to load the box. And our second-leading rusher from last year (McGuffie) will be gone.
Our offensive line should be better, but I'm just saying...a 25% increase in average yards per carry is a pretty big jump.
we also had ZERO passing threat last season. Almost less than zero. It's pretty amazing than we ran as well as we did, with defenses knowing that was the only way we could hurt them. If we can muster a passing offense, we should be able the spread the field and get a lot more yards on the ground. I know 25% is a big leap, but I could see it happening.
If all goes as planned, we will have a 4 dimensional offense by the end of next season - one that rushes, passes downfield, runs the QB, and throws effective screens. This past season we had one dimension - running well.
I don't think there's much indication that our passing offense will be any better this year. Our receivers will be a year older/more experienced, but (due to the recent rumor) we could be starting a true freshman at QB. Forcier/Robinson won't necessarily be better than Threet as a redshirt freshman.
but our frosh don't have to be allstars to create a downfield threat. They just need arm strength and a willingness to throw the ball past the line of scrimmage. Just enough to keep them honest is all we need. I'm not saying it will put points on the board or win games - but it should open up the running game more than last season.
You could have said the same thing about Threet last year.
If the rumors shake out to be true, then there's a pretty good chance someone within the organization has suggested to Threet that he'll be religated to the bench with no hope of playing. Otherwise, there's no reason for the thought of transfer.
People aren't that easy to figure out, and I don't think any of us really knows entirely what is going on. If this really does have legs, theres no telling what the reasons might be, but I seriously doubt they are entirely PT. Maybe it has something to do with it, but I would guess a good majority is something none of us would be aware of at the time.
when Threet came to M, he was "supposed" to sit behind Mallet for 3 years, and then start his senior year.
He came into competition, why would he transfer out of it? If true, these is something else going on.
...because he transferred in to play in a pro-style NFL quarterback factory and now he's in a read option offense that has produced approximately one legitimate NFL quarterback?
Shouldn't we just already count Pat White? I mean, he was a three star. He's going to be an NFL quarterback.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
It's not clear whether Pat White is going to be a legitimate NFL quarterback. It wasn't until the Senior Bowl (or whichever all-star game he was in) that people said he deserved a shot to play QB at the next level. Even at that, he very well could be a "slash" type player or a wide receiver in the NFL. So no, I don't think Pat White counts as a legitimate NFL QB.
No coach would ever tell an incumbent starter that they lost their spot to a freshman before practice even starts up.
...especially when that coach stresses competition and walk-ons as much as Rodriguez does.
ugh i would still like to have him around to start the season and work tate or denard in if/when they're ready
until he either gets his walking papers or we all see him suited up in the first game of 09. Lost in all the shuffle of this will he/wont he crap is the fact that this young man has had some of the worst luck in college football history. He transferred here thinking he would be backing up the heir to Chad Henne and get a great education clost to home. Maybe he had it in his head that he would see some mop up time or possibly compete for the starting job in an offense that suited him.
Instead he was thrust into the role as starter of an offense that is not right considering his physical tools, implemented by a man he did not intend to play under. The remarkable circumstances that have put him in this position really could not have gone any more against him. I think he has availed himself rather well considering the deck seems to have been stacked against him from the start.
This is his life and education we are talking about here. I honestly hope he stays if only for the fact that he probably will not get a better education wherever he transfers.