Ticket Watch Goes to the Citrus Comment Count

Seth

There are very few fanbases that act like Michigan's when it comes to bowls. This year's Citrus allotment sold out before a lot of season ticket holders realized they were on sale, and the secondary market launched at double the list price.

This is hardly Michigan's first Florida rodeo, and hardly the resellers' first Michigan vs. the local Gators rodeo. As such the secondary market remains flooded with big swaths of 10 seats together, all priced over face of course. I asked Ralph Garcia at TiqIQ how these usually play out:

On a historic Michigan beat-- the Outback Bowl from 1/1/13 seems to be the most similar game. The game saw ticket prices slowly increase from 12/8 to 12/16 and then remained pretty much flat from the 17th to 20th. Approx 10 days out is when things get interesting, as a lot of people unloaded at lower prices. For that particular game, the cheapest tickets available occurred on 12/20/12 while 48 hours before marked the next lowest point.

Last year's Minnesota/Missouri New Years Day matchup in the Citrus Bowl had pretty consistent ticket prices from the 8th on, until a free fall starting on the 30th.

The free fall seems to happen only for the good tickets, and will probably function differently since Florida is basically at home, so the final drop-off can't be so severe—like if tickets start getting below face the Gator fans in Gainesville or wherever will just buy them.

Here's what Ralph suggested vis a vis strategy (this was as of 5:49 p.m last night):

We've seen about 2,000 extra tickets hit the market in the past 96 hours, resulting in the drop of asking price. If quantity stays up, prices should continue to fall. As a seller, it's important to price competitively as there's now plenty of similar tickets for sale. Being $5 cheaper than another seat in that section could make the difference as buyers are sorting through the selections.

As a buyer, if you're willing to sweat it out, 48 hours out before gametime is when brokers entering panic mode. That's the best bet for some Lower Level or Premium seats at discounted prices. However if you're just looking to get in the door with cheapest seats possible, next week should mark the lowest point. Again, as a buyer keep an eye out for the quantity of tickets available. Large chunks of tickets on the market could mean empty seats at the game and effectively a free upgrade.

Short version: buy nice seats on December 30 or 31 or the day of the game, but if you just need one ticket to get in the door, get that before Christmas.

[EDIT] People in the comments say they've had no trouble getting way below face the day of the game for even the Rose Bowl vs. USC. If that's your strategy I suggest keeping an eye on those big blocks of tickets. If there are 8 together all over the place come December 29, those tickets ought to be circulating in Orlando by Jan 1.

[After the jump: get to know the changes at the Citrus Bowl]

YESTERDAY'S TRADING:

The Game took a dip on the day of the game, when you could get 1 ticket for $100 pretty easily and a pair from someone outside the stadium for $120. I got a Section 2 ticket for $100 from a family member who was invited up to a box. So hey, I called it right for once!

SEATING CHART CLASS image

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And the quick-guide for this stadium:

100 Tier: Lower bowl seating. They are lettered from A (front row) to Z, then AA to EE. Right now these are going for about $400 at the 50 yard line, $170for the endzone, and $215 for the corner.

"P" Tier: This is the new Plaza Deck that opened last year. Note if you're sitting in a "P" seat it's like the old 2nd deck except you have to go up about 12 stairs to get to the section. They go from A to X, but for most of the stadium Row D is the first row of the P tier. Row N and above will probably be in the shade—once you're near the top your view is obscured a bit. Obvious bulk resellers are trying to get $500 for the 50, but the corner and endzone is priced like the lower bowl.

200 Tier This is only one the sideline—the wings will be 227, 241, 201, and 215. Again, front row is A and it goes up to HH. There are groups still together for like $120.

50 yard line is 108 (and going up, P8 and 208) and 134 (P34, 234). So sideline will be any section number that's +/- three of 8 or 34.

CHEAP TIP

Here's a soft spot in the market. It's 10 minutes to gametime. There are still unsold tickets on all the ticket sites, and they're starting to free fall since the number of people who can actually get to these tickets is now down to a bare handful. This is a thing you can exploit but you need a few things to be in your favor:

  1. You're gonna need some internet of some kind—your 4G on gameday probably isn't reliable.
  2. The venue has to be accepting smartphone tickets OR
  3. You gotta be able to print those tickets somewhere.

For 3, scout out a nearby hotel or business center (e.g. FedEx), or maybe a friend (or in my case, cousin) who lives in the area.

No, the Citrus Bowl doesn't take smartphone tickets yet. I called and asked.

BEST DEAL RIGHT NOW (that I can find on the sponsor's site because let's support people who support us okay?)

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They're on the 20 yard line, and Row V is just over half-way up.

Comments

TSWC

December 16th, 2015 at 4:34 PM ^

I went to M's last two Rose Bowl games and for both of them I found people selling tickets for $20 at the stadium about an hour before kickoff. And of course one of those games was against USC! I think face value was $120. It totally blew my mind and has forever changed my approach to getting bowl game tickets.

Though with the Rose Bowl I guess it does take some serious confidence to show up with no tickets, given what a pain it is to get to the stadium on game day.

CincyBlue

December 16th, 2015 at 4:47 PM ^

I live in the Orlando Area.  The Citrus Bowl has very limited parking - Please reserve parking!  It will be very difficult to find game day parking without a reservation.

The area around the stadium is a "little questionable" and you will want to park your car in a safe lot.  

looty

December 16th, 2015 at 7:59 PM ^

I do as well and you say "questionable" I say downright shitty!  Its Parramore and one thing that the locals do as well is to charge you for parking and once the game starts they leave.  When you get back your car is towed because they took the sign down.  Stadium has been completely renovated and looks great compared to last time they played in 08.  Me and my family will be attending!

BooKooBlue

December 16th, 2015 at 6:32 PM ^

The Pep Rally starts later at 2:30pm.

Thursday, Dec. 31, 2014, Noon - 1:30 p.m.

Nearly 24 hours before kickoff of the Buffalo Wild Wings Citrus Bowl, the two teams gather for a one-of-a-kind luncheon featuring band and cheer performances, interviews with the head coaches and a special challenge for the players. Members of the ESPN on ABC commentary team for the game will host the luncheon, and guests will actually sit with the players. A table for eight guests (plus two players) is $615 while individual tickets are $62 each. 

Thursdsay, Dec. 31, 2:30 p.m.

Gather with your Michigan Wolverines at the official pep rally. The band and cheerleaders will perform and head coaches will make a special appearance to fire up the crowd before game day! Add To Calendar

 

http://buffalowildwingscitrusbowl.com/fan-guide

 

 

 

EricSV85

December 16th, 2015 at 8:12 PM ^

I was surprised to even get tickets, being a first year season ticket holder and Jimmy's first bowl game as our coach. Now I have to try and unload them because MSU jumped to three. I told the wife we'd go to which ever game was the bigger bowl but if they had gone to the Orange we could have done both... Hope not too many people wait until the last moment.

Mgo_fly

December 16th, 2015 at 8:20 PM ^

Vs the Gators ticket prices stayed strong up to kick off. My son and I managed to find some face value tickets in the upper level day of game. You will be able to find tickets but don't count on half price.

Pinto1987

December 16th, 2015 at 10:03 PM ^

First, if tl;dr is your style, grab a beer and skip this, you're unlikely to get anything from it and it's probably best for all involved anyway.

Second, if your goal is to get the best possible seats at the lowest possible price, pay attention to Seth and his advice.  I've been around for a long time and his advice on ticket acquistion is, in my experience, spot on.

Third, I'd like to introduce a topic that's been absent from this series of posts.....ticket buying ethics.  Ethics???  In ticket buying???  That's crazy, you say, and you are probably right.  I'll push ahead anyway, just in case.

There was a hue and a cry on this board post-OSU about the disgusting sea of red in the stadium on Nov 28 and all of the not true fans, traitors, idiots, profiteers, *ssh*les, etc. who sold their tickets to buckeyes.  My guess is that there were between 10k and 15k there, and at least half of those were sold by U-M itself.  It was ugly, to be sure, but it wasn't nearly as ugly as it has been in the past - and I've been going to The Game for over 40 years.

So here's my story:  In mid-October (post-MSU) it was becoming clear that I might have 8 extra tickets for the OSU game - scheduling problems for my daughters (both U-M alums) and my brother (an airline pilot) were popping up.  I was faced with a choice:  sell the tickets on StubHub (or the like) at $300-$400 each (the tickets were in Secs 44, 1, 2 and between rows 25 and 75) and take a chance that a buckeye would buy them; or hope that the scheduling problems would clear up - or that I'd find other friends who wanted to go.

Well, I'll be damned if I was going to be responsible for buckeyes getting into that stadium.  Don't get me wrong, $2,400+ still goes far enough that I could put it to good use, but I have a policy:  just say "no" to buckeyes.

As the game approached, the schedules didn't clear up, but I was able to give tickets to three father-son combinations - all of which were U-M fans and two of whom had never been to a game.  Progress, to be sure.

I walked, past all the scalpers (who might sell to buckeyes), down State St and up Hoover with 2 extras in hand, keeping an eye out for that father/child who might be in need.  When I got to Greene I found two mid-30s U-M fans, appropriately decked out in their gear, looking for tickets.  I approached and asked what they'd offer for 2 on the 40, high.  The response was "we've only budgeted $100 each" (face was $115).  

Frankly, I was insulted.  I was insulted because these guys were trying to take advantage of the situation to get in for the lowest possible price.  I realized then that they were only following Seth's advice - get close to the stadium, wait until just before the game, and look for that old alum who just wants to get to his seats.  I realized then that I was that "old alum" and that Seth was exactly right.  I realized then that I was a sap.

Now, I don't care about the $30.  If I cared about the money, I would have sold the tickets for $2,400+ when my relatives couldn't attend.  I gave 6 of the tickets away as it was.  I have no problem negotiating your best deal with the scalpers.  What I do care about is two U-M fans who weren't willing to negotiate with scalpers were willing to let me subsidize their afternoon in the interest of getting "the best deal".  Congrats guys, you got it done.

So here's my question:  Is there, or should there be, some kind of principle here?  If you've made it to the stadium, should you be willing to pay face when you buy from another U-M fan or should you negotiate your best deal - just like you would with a scalper?

If the answer is "face", then maybe Seth should remind people about that in these posts.

If the answer is "best deal", then you've helped me re-learn a lesson that I learned long ago - money talks and bullshit walks.  And that means if buckeyes are willing to pay more to get into our stadium that U-M fans are, then the market has spoken and we've reached the right result.  And everyone on this board who didn't pay market or above on StubHub to get into The Game has lost their complainin' privileges when it comes to that ugly sea of red.

Neg away!!!

 

 

 

 

UMgradMSUdad

December 17th, 2015 at 1:26 AM ^

I do think much of the anger is misplaced.  It's not the fault of ticket sellers that in many cases OSU fans are willing to spend more money for the tickets than Michigan fans.  

I had a dilemma but from the buyer's perspective for the Sugar Bowl.  Tickets were dirt cheap on Stubhub, but I thought I'd do the right thing and help out a Michigan fan needing to part with tickets and used the a thread from MgoBlog to contact a seller.  The problem was, I only needed three tickets and he had four to sell.  On top of that, the lowest price he was willing to go (which I think was a slight loss for him) was about 30% more per ticket than I was able to buy on Stubhub.  He wouldn't sell just three, and I had no interest in trying to sell a single ticket on the street.  We were just too far apart in price for us to make a deal.  I really wanted to help out a fellow Wolverine, but not at the amount of money it would have cost me.

Seth

December 17th, 2015 at 9:45 AM ^

My feeling on that is a market should include all of this. People don't stop being people because money is involved, or shouldn't. Some people find it's a game to get the best possible deal. For a difference of $20 however a lot of people would rather just buy from some nice people, especially if the seats are good and you can sit with some other Michigan fans.

When I scalp I almost always find one cheaper after I bought. But I've also met some great people, and become closer to a lot of friends and family because I didn't make $ the only consideration.

Everyone should decide for themselves what's most important to them. I think we'd all appreciate it if people marked it up for Ohio State fans because it's horrible when they start spelling that one word they know. However I've been an away fan countless times, so I've got respect for those who come to our stadium. They're there because they love their team. I get that.

Yard Dog

December 17th, 2015 at 8:20 AM ^

I've been to different bowls over the last several years, including a recent Rose Bowl, and there are always cheap tickets available before kick.  The playoff bowls might be the only ones where you need to buy earlier.  All others are easy as hell to get tickets, Rose and Citrus included.