Is giving a recruit a fake beard a permissible benefit?
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— Tim Sullivan (@TimS_Wolverine) October 30, 2013
Tim did this because he's still a blogger at heart, obviously.
Consider that George Campbell's treat, accompanied by this nifty trick:
As more details emerge from Da'Shawn Hand's official visit to Alabama, it's clear that (1) the Tide are very much in the running, and (2) Professor Needs A Raise has a Southern counterpart, per Rivals's Adam Friedman ($):
"The engineering dean is the man!" Hand exclaimed. "He is that guy! I met with the business professor too and he was good. The academic support is amazing. They have individual tutors and that's good to help you manage your time."
In talking with TomVH, Hand revealed this his decision may in fact come down to his choice of major ($):
Hand says that if he wants to go into sports management it will be Michigan, and if he wants to go into engineering it will be Alabama. Florida offers both, so he will be spending time with professors in both fields on that trip to see if that has any impact on his decision.
The 6-foot-4, 262-pound defensive end says for right now he’s just focused on Florida, though, and will head out to Gainesville on November 9.
One of the Michigan coaches may want to alert him to this.
In other pursuits of 2014 blue-chip prospects, Oregon has become a major player for CA ATH JuJu Smith after he visited Eugene in place of a planned trip to Ole Miss; he told Rivals's Adam Gorney($) that the Ducks are "another top team to beat." Smith already had very positive official visit experiences at Notre Dame and Ohio State, has USC and UCLA under consideration, and has two officials left: Alabama (vs. LSU) and Michigan (vs. OSU). With that much competition, it's tough to peg Michigan as anything but a longshot, even with whatever edge they might get from receiving Smith's final official.
[Hit THE JUMP for the latest on the 2014 running back situation—there seems to be a situation—plus Freddy Canteen makin' moves, evaluations of a couple M commits, and more.]
After Michigan's failed attempts to get Leonard Fournette on campus and the commitment of Damien Harris in the 2015 class, it appeared the Wolverines were content to go without a running back in 2014. Earlier this week, conflicting reports emerged about whether or not Michigan had visited a previous target, Colorado speedster Kalen Ballage. Sam Webb gives us some clarity on the situation ($):
That yearning [to play running back] had seemingly removed Michigan from consideration, but a recent visit by assistant Darrell Funk proved that the Wolverines still have interest. Ballage missed his visitor due to being off on winter break, but he insists that the Maize & Blue hasn’t missed the opportunity to remain viable in his recruitment.
“I like a lot more than five schools, so I don’t know which ones I want to visit yet,” said Ballage reiterating his openness. “I want to take all of my visits.”
Ballage is waiting until after the season to make a decision, so Michigan has some time if they want to make a serious move in his recruitment.
The running back interest doesn't stop there, as Webb also reported this week that the Wolverines have started recruiting longtime Cal commit and three-star Texas native Vic Enwere, who's come on strong in his senior season after an injury-plagued junior campaign ($). Rivals's Mike Farrell, meanwhile, speculates that the Wolverines could be a player for four-star Minnesota pledge Jeff Jones, who's long been considered a soft commit likely to end up elsewhere ($).
Whether this new-found interest in adding a running back is a product of expected attrition opening up more space in the class or concern about the current backs on the roster is, at this point, a matter of pure speculation.
Yeah, Freddy Canteen's route running still looks A-OK to me.
Marshall looks bigger, faster, stronger, and nastier. He shows an even quicker first step and has improved his pass rush moves and technique. Marshall looks more comfortable in his stance and has a larger repertoire of moves. He has an elite swim move to get past the offensive tackle and can close on the quarterback in a flash.
Brewster also notes that Marshall's speed allows hit to track down a lot of run plays from the back side, making him More Than Just A Pass-Rusher. Pad level is listed as an area in need of improvement because this must be so forever and always.
When not photoshopping a beard onto George Campbell's face, Tim Sullivan found some time to watch 2015 S commit Tyree Kinnel in person; though an overmatched Kettering Fairmont squad largely avoided the Michigan pledge, he still had himself a solid game ($):
Physically, Kinnel is everything that a college coach wants in a safety. He showed off his speed on kick returns and in closing on plays to be made. He's never going to be the fastest player, but he has enough speed to make an impact at either the strong or free position. He's a hair over 6-1, and every bit of his listed 190 pounds with even more room for growth. He showed off his strength in making forceful tackles (especially the disrupted screen play) without getting full leverage behind his body.
It's sometimes tough to judge players against weak competition - particularly when they only end up in the game for one half - but Kinnel passed just about every test you'd like to see. He's a young player, and has some aspects of his game that will be improved with time, but the potential is evident in his game.
Despite playing most of the game as a deep safety in a Cover 2 shell, not to mention being avoided at all costs by Fairmont, Kinnel finished with eight tackles (1 TFL), a pass breakup, and a forced fumble.
Scout's Brian Dohn did a live evaluation of 2015 OL commit Jon Runyan Jr., who displayed good athleticism and plenty of untapped potential ($):
Runyan is not close to being a finished product, but he has the genes and the work ethic to develop a lot in the next 18 months. He understands technique and positioning, but needs to add strength and get better knee bend. He has the athleticism to play guard and be effective pulling as a lead blocker, but he needs to develop more into a road grater type of players. His ability to move his feet and sit back in his base in pass protection is already an asset.
Obviously, hitting the weight room is a major priority for Runyan The Younger.
Michigan's top priority in the 2015 class on the offensive line, four-star PA OT Sterling Jenkins, has been watching film of a guy you might be familiar with, per 247's Steve Lorenz ($):
"I was watching the Lions and Cowboys on Sunday and just started pulling up some Taylor Lewan highlights," he said. "I watched what he did against Jadeveon Clowney in the Outback Bowl last year and started watching Michigan highlights to see what he was doing. To me, it's more than just him as a player, however. He is a leader. His press conference after the Akron game where he took responsibility for the team's performance was inspiring. That's the kind of leader players want to be."
Jenkins is visiting for the Ohio State game and it's clear the coaches feel pretty confident about their chances of reeling him in—they've yet to offer highly interested (and highly talented) tackle prospects like Matthew Burrell while waiting on Jenkins.
After helping Cass Tech to their first PSL title since 2010 (bizarre, I know, considering they've won the last two state titles), 2015 DL Josh Alabi updated his recruitment with Scout's Josh Newkirk ($):
“Tennessee is my No. 1. But after that, I really love Michigan. I really love Michigan State. I love Ohio State. I love Wisconsin. So like, it’s kind of a tossup.”
Alabi said he has upcoming visits to Michigan State and Michigan.
Must. Resist. Anchorman. Reference.
Newkirk also caught up with Alabi's teammate, four-star RB Mike Weber, who said that he'll be visiting Michigan for the Ohio State game ($). I'm guessing that's when Alabi will be in Ann Arbor, as well, since those two travel together for most of their visits.
Also visiting for The Game: 2015 NJ TE Jake Pickard, whose father played with Brady Hoke at Ball State, per Scout's Brian Dohn ($). Pickard camped at Michigan over the summer; he's yet to pick up any offers so far.
If you missed it, Brandon updated the 2015 quarterback picture on this here blog.
Is giving a recruit a fake beard a permissible benefit?
This is kind of like the bagel situation. Whereas a bagel was only impermissible if it had toppings; a beard is impermissible if it comes with a handlebar moustache. So Tim violated no bylaws.
When I was looking at schools, I didn't even know Alabama had an engineering program. UM is top ten in most disciplines and has an absolutely enormous research budget. You can't convince me Alabama holds a candle to Michigan in this field, cool engineering deans (we have one, too) aside.
maybe the quote is backwards??? That has got to be the strangest think I have heard in a while. Michigan is very strong in Engineering. Someone's been leading Mr. Hand astray!
I'm sure he's referring to the academic assistance he would get while in the engineering school at Alabama. I don't know if we have individual tutors or not, but that seems like a huge advantage at a place like Bama. If we don't, then maybe we should? Does that come from the athletic department budget? From the school? Who knows.
And the atheletic department hires their own tutors as well.
I've always assumed so, but maybe I'm wrong. I went to KU for undergrad, and the basketball players had all the tutoring they could ask for.
There are definitely AD tutors, but I'm not sure if it's one on one. If it's anything like the math department's tutors, the athletes just show up at the academic center and find a tutor in the subject they need. Though Graham Brown occassionaly showed up in the math lab as well for one particular tutor who worked both places.
And as a graduate of UofM College of Engineering I think it should be that way. If you need someone to hold your hand through four years of engineering curriculum you really shouldn't be an engineer in the real world.
That being said there are many opportunities/people/groups that are available and willing to help students when it comes it to tutoring but it might not be at the same level that Alabama alocates to thier student athletes.
But there are individual tutors for hire that you can contact through the engineering career center for at least the first round of classes. You're right that being an engineer (I'm also a graduate) means swimming on your own.
Also as a holder of a M-MechE degree, I woulds say there's a tremendous time commitment that tutors can't help you with to "beat your head against the wall" learning to solve difficult problems. Can they assist, yes, but does the student actually derive the skill?...Engineering is heavy into math, I was like 2 classes different from an actual math major...
It would be nice to quote statistics on how many M players over time have graduated with eng degrees...or FBS if you like that cross-section better...again thinking its 5% or less.
Just sayin' if I could guide Mr Hand I would advise sports management 8-)
I just graduated from EECS and I know there are free, volunteer individual tutors for most intro EECS classes as well as TAs' and Profs' office hours. I tutored through CoE for intro EECS courses my sophmore year. I'm sure other departments like ME and IOE have somehting similar.
Assistance or not, engineering is one of the most challenging degrees you can earn. Mr. Hand seems to be very intelligent and deliberate in his approach to what he wants out of the school he picks. Assuming he is doing as much research as we have heard on academics, it will become apparent the rank and quality of the engineering program at Michigan.
With that being said, I can't imagine attempting to get an engineering degree (no matter how much assistance you get) and playing football at a Division I school. Engineering coursework by itself is more than a fulltime job. I give him a lot of credit, he sounds like a special kid.
Huyge is a marine engineer. I have no clue how he handled the workload of starting offensive lineman and engineering.
That's because my Mom taught him kindergarten (cool story bro). As we all know, everything you ever needed to know was learned then.
Though, as a Michigan M.E. myself, I don't remember differential equations being taught in my kindergarten class . . .
Jordan Morgan graduated with an engineering degree last year and is in grad school now. Nobody ever seems to mention that.
Time is the biggest issue. One can easily graduate in four years as an athlete if they take spring and summer courses every summer
Part of the reason the department is so great is that the programs are so rigorous that it is virtually impossible to play football and earn a degree at the same time. At Alabama, everything revolves around football, so they will find a way to make it work, possibly to the detriment of th value of their engineering degree. That is why engineering at Bama is more appealing to him: it is actually feasible.
This was how I read that quote also.
Alabama played up the engineering thing to the point of having the Dean of Engineering meet with him.
Maybe Hoke was less enthusiastic about that angle and probably for a good reason.
Imagine how much better Jim Harbaugh's life would be if only Bo had let him be a historian.
On the bright side, if Hand does go to Alabama we can see if Saban let's him major in engineering.
Omameh and Huyge were both engineers
People say this all the time, and I think it's bullshit. That attitude is just choosing mediocrity as the standard and I hope Hoke would not support that idea. If I were Hoke I would present all the information, tell Hand the program is very rigorous but I encourage him to try doing both, and if it doesn't work out we'll go from there. I wasn't in the program, but I went to Michigan so I obviously knew plenty of engineers and lived with multiple. They could easily have substituted the amount they went out partying and playing video games with football and done just as well. Add in the extra help from the AD and they probably would have done better. Given what people have done in the world, playing football and doing engineering is a far cry from impossible. It's just not done because a lot of football players either aren't very good students or just aren't interested in a rigorous courseload.
Space, Bitche, Space!
...Alabama's engineering degree consists of learning how to drive a locomotive.
I wonder if they told young Mr. Hand this.
I love lamp.
Engineering program deserves a raise.
What prospective student - who had any intention of actually, you know, becoming an engineer one day - would choose Alabama over Michigan? That would be the same as choosing MIT over Alabama because you wanted a great football team.
When I applied to engineering programs it was Michigan and MIT. UIUC, GaTech, and Stanford were under consideration.
Alabama in the ballpark? Not even the same sport.
on his official? the idea that he would believe Alabama has the better engineering program is laughable . . does anyone out there even have a comparison?
He said he liked the Dean. Just like he likes "Professor Needs A Raise."
Hand is a smart kid. Sure U of M's Engineering Program might be better than Bama's. But I'm sure to a HS kid, the difference seems marginal at best. Everyone who has ever been enrolled in college knows that it's the people around you that help you learn more than the actual programs. You need helpful teachers, and a helpful & relatable peer group. I would rather have a piece of crap book & someone to teach it to me, than a Macbook filled with all the fanciest & newest shit with a stick in the mud to help me. Deshawn would be smart to evaluate the people more than the actual program.
This is a reason why I think Michigan has the upper hand. I think our coaching staff is more people friendly than Bama's, and in the end, he will rather spend the next 4 years with them, than with Saban and his rotating door of asst. coaches.
On the off chance that Mr. Hand ever actually needs his engineering degree, he's 100x better off having it say "Michigan" than "Alabama", I don't care how nice and helpful everyone is at Alabama.
Unless he was applying for a job in Tuscaloosa.
What part of "De'Shawn Hand is a people person" do you not understand?
4 years is a long time to be stuck around people you don't get along with for a degree you will probably never use.
Do you WANT to scare him off?
shame on me for suggesting it.
I can tell you that Michigan has the 7th best engineering program in the nation. The schools above Michigan are of the likes of MIT, Stanford, and... er... Illinois, not Alabama. Every engineering progam Michigan has is ranked no lower that 12th.
If someone can tell me any stat in engineering that Alabama rivals... Ha! Just kidding , because there is no stat that does such a thing.
I think the rigor of the UM Eng school is working against the kid here. I imagine Hoke trying to reach out to the Dean of the Engineering school or one of the professors here is their reply:
likely, what he hears from people at UM is that the programs are too rigorous & he wouldn't be accepted as a FR & likely advised not to apply for Xfer after a year or two. what he hears from Bama is, "sure dat gum come on in heah and we make sure you gradg-ee-ate."
Hand is a hard worker in the classroom as well as on the football field. I think I remember seeing him already taking Calc II as a senior in high school... I don't think he would have any problem getting into U of M's engineering school.
calc II? I'd have to see his xscript.
The cult of personality of engineering professors. Apparently, this is a thing.
Michigans coaches were the ones that steered him clear of majoring in engineering at M due to the major time requirements required be put into it. Coaches did not believe it was in Hand`s best interest to attemp both engineering and football.
Which is really stupid if you ask me. Give him both options. I mean, if we lose out on the best HS prospect to commit since, Idk, Jabrill Peppers, because we wouldn't let that person persue their academic dreams, that would be just so asinine.
Not to mention, we have all these great schools & programs at Michigan, and to funnel all the football players into easy courses makes us no better than Sparty or OSU. You can't brag about your academics if you don't let the players take advantage of those academics.
They bust hump for 4-5 years then graduate with either a degree in general studies or Sports Management & Communications. Coaches are under pressure to win, so it does them no good to have a team full of EECS studs that can't beat Purdue.
As an SMC grad, let me tell you that you're not coming out of college with that degree commanding 30-40k unless you have major connections.
Didn't one of our recruits coin the phrase "real knows real". If a school is trying to sell a recruit that tutoring will get you through an engineering degree, they are not being honest with the kid.
I would prefer the coaches are straight with a kid rather than blow smoke. If the coaches steered him clear, they were just being what they are (honest). If he wanted to pursue an engineering degree, I don't think anyone would stop him, but they need to be clear about the demands of the degree. If you are coming in to an engineering program and believe a committed tutor can get you through, engineering is probably not the degree to pursue.
From all accounts, Hand is a smart kid. He will figure it out!