can anyone recall something like that ever happening to us?
coaches say you can't, so don't sign a loi
Four-star 2016 PA WR Cameron Chambers will announce his college choice tomorrow, and while he released a top five on Monday the overwhelming consensus is he'll pick between Michigan and Michigan State, the two schools he visited most recently. No one seems to have a good read on which of the two he'll pick, however, including his high school coach, per Scout's Brian Dohn ($):
"I really don't know what he wants to do," Timber Creek coach Rob Hinson. "I think he had a good time at Michigan, and had a great time at Michigan State. He was at Michigan for two days, and he said Michigan State was awesome, and he said the same thing about Michigan.
I haven't been able to find a specific time for the announcement tomorrow—I don't think Chambers has determined one—but I'll update if/when one comes out.
Five-star CA WDE Keisean Lucier-South trimmed his list to five schools this week. Michigan made it, which won't shock anyone, but a pair of omissions might, per Scout's Greg Biggins ($):
On the recruiting front, Lucier-South cut his list down to a final five that consisted of Florida, Oklahoma, Oregon, Michigan and UCLA.
"Those are the five schools that I felt most comfortable with and the ones that I felt matched my style the best," Lucier-South said. "It was really hard to cut Notre Dame and USC. Those two schools have been on me hard for a long time but I just felt like the five I choose were the best fits for me."
KLS had mentioned Notre Dame as a school he planned to see on an official visit, while USC is one of just two schools—along with UCLA—that he's visited unofficially. Now he's planning to take trips to each of his top five schools before a Signing Day decision.
Oregon and Oklahoma are relative newcomers to the party, though they could both very well be a major factor in Lucier-South's recruitment going forward. For now, UCLA and Michigan are generally regarded as the schools out in front.
Sam Webb's latest Detroit News article* is a great wrapup of last Sunday's BBQ at the Big House, and it includes some very glowing quotes from three-star LA DE Jalen Bates, who moved Michigan into his top five after his visit:
“(Michigan is in) the top five right now for sure,“ said Bates. “(The barbecue) was fun. It was one of the (most fun) times I’ve had. They treated me like family. All the coaches, they all treated me like they have been recruiting all their life. They all kind of flocked to me and they treated me like I was a celebrity. I liked the way they treated my family — all the coaches’ wives and their kids.”
“(Michigan assistant Fred Jackson) was like one of my uncles. It was like he missed me. We hung out almost the whole time. It was like I was out here visiting family, and I haven’t even met some of these people. It was cool.”
Bates had a September 19th decision date set before the visit, and he plans to stick to that timeline. A Scout article published yesterday appeared to indicate that Michigan was suddenly out of the mix, as it quoted Bates saying he'd choose between Mississippi State, Texas Tech, and Louisiana-Lafayette. While that is apparently Bates' top three, he insisted on Twitter that isn't a concrete top group, and Michigan is still very much under consideration:
Why would I kick UM out . Grew up watching UM. They just have a few negs & pos. That I have to weigh out
— Jalen Bates (@KINNG_MEE) July 31, 2014
One of those negatives is almost certainly distance from home, and getting Bates back on campus before his decision could go a long way towards convincing him that shouldn't be a huge factor. Luckily, Bates told 247's Steve Lorenz that a return trip to Ann Arbor is likely to happen ($):
"I am gonna try to get to a game before I decide," he said. "Michigan is probably going to get an official. They were already in my top five going into this visit and they really, really helped themselves on this visit. It was a real surprise how much I liked it there and how much fun I had. I know Michigan is great academically; top 10 in the country and top 20 in the world. They definitely stand out that way. I'm looking for a school and coaching staff that can develop me. That's the biggest thing for me. Wherever I go, I am ready to work as hard as I can; I want to play for coaches that can take that hard work and help turn me into a great player."
I like Michigan's chances if Bates follows through on that official; if he doesn't, I'd be surprised if he ends up straying too far from home.
*Strongly suggest you click through and read that whole thing, as there's a lot of good stuff in there I'm not bothering to reprint here since it's free and all.
Michigan got a nice leg up in the recruitment of top-50 2016 WI OT Ben Bredeson when his older brother, Jack, committed to the baseball team while the family was in town for the BBQ. Per Lorenz, Bredeson is already planning a game visit, and he'll likely see the Wolverines a couple times on the road, as well ($):
Going forward, Bredeson does not look to make a commitment until sometime next spring or summer. A group of schools has separated themselves at this point with Michigan, Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Ohio State being among those considered most at this point.
"It's a really good feeling to have such great programs wanting you to play for them," he said. "Right now, I'm looking at returning to Michigan for a visit when they play Penn State. I also might end up seeing them play at Notre Dame and at Ohio State this season as well. It will depend on how I am able to work my schedule because I have practice on Saturday mornings after my games on Friday. I'm hoping to make it work though."
The Penn State game, as expected, is shaping up to be Michigan's biggest in-season recruiting event.
2016 four-star RB Elijah Holyfield camped at Michigan this summer; he told Tim Sullivan that coming back for the BBQ—and bringing his mother and step-father—was actually his idea, which sounds pretty encouraging from Michigan's perspective ($):
"A couple recruits had told me about it, and I called Coach Hecklinski and he thought it'd be a good idea to get my parents up there, and I wanted my parents to see it also," Holyfield explained. "I really like Michigan a lot, so I wanted them to see it and see how they like it also. I thought it'd be a good time to come back up.
"Me and my parents got there the day before, so I got the chance to sit down with all the coaches one-on-one and talk to them. That really helped a lot. Any questions that my parents had, they were able to answer. It was really nice, I really enjoyed myself on the whole visit."
Holyfield said the trip "definitely helped Michigan" in his recruitment, and he indicated that his parents were also quite impressed. He might come back again for a game this fall.
Steve Lorenz reported that the top-ranked running back in the 2016 class, five-star New Jersey product Kareem Walker, will visit Michigan next week ($). While there will be tons of competition for Walker's signature, Michigan has a couple things going for them: they were one of the first programs to offer Walker a scholarship, and Walker's connected with fellow Jersey native Jabrill Peppers.
Congratulations to 2015 commit Darrin Kirkland, who accepted an invite to the Army All-American Game yesterday.
Happy trails to former commit George Campbell, who released a top ten that didn't include Michigan ($). The only two non-ACC/SEC schools to make the list are UCLA and... Maryland. Okay, then.
An off-the-radar name to remember: Darrin Paulo, a three-star 2015 OL from Sacramento, told Scout's Brandon Huffman that Michigan is under consideration for his final official visit spot ($):
“I know where I’m going to visit, but I don't have dates,” said Paulo. “Washington State, UCLA, USC and Oregon are the main four I know I want to visit. I think I will take all five though and I’m debating the last one in my mind. I’m still considering Wisconsin, Michigan and Arizona State for the last one.”
Scout and Rivals both list Paulo as holding a Michigan offer. It seems unlikely anything will come from this, but it's at least worth noting.
can anyone recall something like that ever happening to us?
Dee Hart comes to mind.
I think the answer here is, as Wanda Sykes would say, F___ Florida!
(Remembers Denard, Gallon, Vince Smith, Odoms, et al and joke no longer funny..........).
Yeah, it really makles me wonder just what the hell actually happened there. It can't have just been losing, not if Maryland is a contender (serious or no) for his services...
The whims of teenagers.
Anyone have a height on Chambers? The way he plays, it looks like he could be like Junior Hemingway. Doesn't have blazing speed but he's a big receiver that can go up and catch the ball in traffic.
6'3", 195. Major emphasis by the coaches on getting bigger receivers over the past few classes, and I don't see that stopping.
With seemingly being really enamored with a few programs, and possibly changing his leanings a few times over the past 10 days (based on Sam Webb's comments on air this morning), why is he deciding so early?
He is a 2016 and could wait another 12 months and still be committing reasonable early (in terms of NSD).
Given the insane amount of attention from coaches and reporters that top recruits get these days, I have a really hard time criticizing a kid for wanting to get his decision over with early.
I would agree Ace, but we all know coaches don't stop trying to flip these guys. It would be nice for the system to help a kid that really wants to be left alone after his decision. There are athletes that use the system to their advantage to hold a spot they like while they look at better options too. I guess it's a problem I wish I had coming out of HS!
Coaches will still be in contact, sure. But calls from recruiting reporters get a whole lot less frequent after a commitment, and that can mean a lot if a player is getting serious attention from a lot of big-time schools—at this point, just about every major D-I school has 3-4 dedicated recruiting outlets (Rivals, Scout, 247, a few on ESPN) plus local papers, blogs, etc. publishing recruiting stuff, as well.
For what it's worth, I'd be in favor of an early signing period for football, especially (critically) if they also allowed prospects to use official visits before their senior year begins.
Never thought of that Ace. How does the buzz around player X decommitting start then? Does it just get stirred up from questions reporters would naturally have after visits/camps or does it usually come from the player's family or HS coaches? I don't follow this part of recruiting very closely. I appreciate your insight.
Seeing as how UM has had guys orally commit and then change their mind and vice versa (see the DB that had orally committed to Florida), does the amount of attention that a recruit gets from coaches really decrease once they orally commit? Especially if signing day for that recruit is 12+ months in the future.
I don't mean to make fun of you, and I'm sure it's my adolescent sense of humor, but I've always heard verbal and never "orally commit" before. That sounds dirty.
Orally committed is actually the more correct term here, and it denotes that the commitment was done by speaking, whereas verbal just means using words so a written commitment would also be a verbal one, technically. So yes, hearing the word "oral" and thinking something dirty certainly makes you adolescent, if we're being anal about it.
It may quiet the noise from reporters and fans, so to a certain extent if it turns down the volume even a little I think it's worth a go if thats what the guy wants to do.
Yeah, that makes some sense, and by no means am I criticizing. It just seems odd to be vacillating just days before making a life-altering decision that doesn't have to be made for another 17+ months. I am speculating based on what I heard Webb say. Maybe he is 100% certain.
I guess I wish he could, if he wanted, tell all prospective suitors to stop communication during the football season so he could focus on ball and school. Then again, much of the the recruiting contact might come from people outside the control of the schools themselves.
Anyway, seems more evidence of a broken system.
Can anyone confirm that Kareem Walker doesnt tie his shoes?
...him...he really, really likes Michigan, BUT he loves UCLA.
He will only be like Josh Garnett if he tells commits and coaches he is committing to Michigan and then commits elsewhere.
Ahhh....well let's just hope the first part is true!
If he's going to go to UCLA, I hope he's a strong swimmer.
A world class U, then they don't even make your top 10. Sounds like we found a real Michigan WR.