Maybe this means Tate has been so good he scared Threet away? (I'm half-joking, but I'm looking for a silver lining here).
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Threet is gone [CONFIRMED]
February 15th, 2009 at 7:55 PM
#302
Maybe this means Tate has
February 15th, 2009 at 8:48 PM
#303
Thats funny.. But could be
Thats funny.. But could be true lol.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:48 PM
#304
We went 3-9 last year and
We went 3-9 last year and Threet's play was a big reason why. I don't see why anyone would lose sleep if he transferred. Yes, he is better than Sheridan, but we might as well get our future started with T-Force or D-Rob.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:44 PM
#305
Yeah, his play was a huge
Yeah, his play was a huge factor. Sheridan's had nothing to do with it. Neither did the shitty O-Line that gave him little time and couldn't run block. The piss poor sheme's, execution and overall level of play by the defense didn't hurt much. The ungodly number of fumbles and the shitty special teams play also weren't huge factors.
Of all the reasons that UM went 3-9, Threet not playing well (while he was hurt) was way down on the list. I would take a guy like Threet next year over a true frosh. Look at how 'well' Pryor did with 2x the talent and being an overall better player than our two frosh QB's. Next year will be a huge struggle without Threet.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:35 AM
#306
well... a bit higher on the list than that
Threet has some talent...but his arm was VERY erratic all year... he is a tough kid and tried hard...but let's not completely absolve him from a) the 100 yd dumb pick 6 vs. Toledo which lost the game. b) multiple overthrows all year long to wide open guys, including the heart breaking pick overthow vs. NW.
A decent QB would have gotten Michigan 3-4 more wins last year easily...and it wasnt all on the line...they had a lot of time to throw.
That having been said, we all wish Steve Threet well. He has some potential.
February 16th, 2009 at 7:11 PM
#307
threet
threet transfering has zero effect on the michigan football teams chances this year.
next.
February 15th, 2009 at 7:57 PM
#308
Wondering if this is legit?
No one seems to be refuting it, but no one is really backing up the poster either. You would think this would have hit Scout and Rivals' main page...
February 15th, 2009 at 8:02 PM
#309
Shit
February 15th, 2009 at 8:07 PM
#310
This would probably be a bad
This would probably be a bad time for those of us who believed from the outset that Forcier would start from the outset next year and were ridiculed for saying so to say that we were right, wouldn't it?
February 15th, 2009 at 8:08 PM
#311
Why must you make everyone
Why must you make everyone transfer, Angry Michigan Quarterback Hating God!?
Mallett, the elder Forcier and now Threet?
Any of these three could really have helped the transition into the full-fledged zone read spread offense. Yea, Forcier would be best of the bunch, but this transfer means last year was a completely wasted year in terms of getting the most important player on the offense some game experience.
It's hard to make any argument that Threet transferring could be a good thing...
Let's hope that all of this training Forcier has been getting his whole life results in good things
February 15th, 2009 at 8:25 PM
#312
Must have missed it
"Any of these three could really have helped the transition into the full-fledged zone read spread offense"
You must have missed the part where Threet tried to help us transition into the full-fledged zone read spread offense and didn't do so well.
That said, I would have expected him to be dramatically improved over last year.
February 15th, 2009 at 10:32 PM
#313
what are you a buckeye fan?
what are you a buckeye fan? You must be to be that idiotic. Threet tried and failed, J. Forcier left berfore RR went there and helped RR to get Tate and Mallet hated it at UM. He grew up a Razorback fan and always wanted to play for Arkansas. The only reason he did not go to AR in the first place was because Mitch Mustain had gone there one year prior and Houston Nutt told him Mustain was going to be his man. Mallet did not want to ride the bench for 3 years and then have only one year to prove himself to the scouts. After Mustain and Nutt left AR, RR came to UM and told Mallet that he would have to learn to run the read option attack. He went to AR and is having to learn to run the spread under Petrino but this way he got an extra year to learn it. He is at the school that he always wanted to go to and will be a starter this year. Sounds like a pretty good scenario for the kid and I can't blame him. If Threet leaves I would hate to see it because it means that we are a 99% lock to have a true freshman start at QB but I think that was going to happen anyway. Threet if this is true I thank you for your contributions you made to the team and I am sorry it did not work out for you, Good luck where ever you go. That being said I hope Threet stays because no matter who the starter is we still need the depth at this position. GO BLUE!!!!!!!!
February 15th, 2009 at 8:15 PM
#314
Oh, well....
This makes the Robinson "get" even more crucial than it already was. I am hoping Gallon gets a nice score on his ACT, because he could end up at number three, all 5-7 of him, or at least fill the wildcat role.
As for it being "good," I was hoping Threet would never see the field this year. Maybe he has watched Forcier and has decided that it would be hopeless to compete against him. That would be really great.
I still think he should transfer home to Adrian College and get some PT; I was just hoping it wouldn't happen until next year. The best-case scenario for Threet was to be a "depth" player. Now, the "net" UM QB's are working with is considerably smaller.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:24 PM
#315
Not only that
But it also assures that Robinson MUST stay at QB, which is significant.
There was talk that he would move to corner if Forcier locked down the starting/backup QB slot. Now, the team does not have that luxury. Robinson must be the buffer between Forcier and Sheridan.
Of course, that's IF it's true that Threet is transferring.
February 15th, 2009 at 10:56 PM
#316
There is no wildcat role
In an offense built around a running quarterback. Our "wildcat" so to speak, is the entire f'in offense.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:23 PM
#317
As if.....
As if they recruited "the most accurate passer in high school football" to be a "running quarterback....."
You need to watch some Wildcat plays and compare them to normal spread option plays.
You will see a lot less "reading" and a lot more running.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:33 PM
#318
Perhaps you should reread the
Perhaps you should reread the interview that TomVH did with Tate a few weeks ago. He specifically mentions that RR wants more yards on the ground from the QB position. The read option play is a huge part of his offense and is not going anywhere, which increases the chance of injuries to whomever is playing QB.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:16 PM
#319
Not...
Not good. But is it true??? Where's Tom?
February 15th, 2009 at 8:31 PM
#320
Good move by Threet
I bet Threet is more interested in being a full-time starter, than watching Tate or Denard surpass him in RichRod's offense. Now is the right time to bolt because other programs will fit his talents better and prepare him for a pro-style offense.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:24 PM
#321
Yeah....
Like Adrian College?
February 15th, 2009 at 8:23 PM
#322
So Sheridan is our only QB
So Sheridan is our only QB with experience now; man I was hoping Threet would help ease the transition, but looks like a true freshman will be starting in our first game. I don't know; this isn't good news. Reaching 7 wins this year has become alot harder.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:26 PM
#323
This may hurt quite a bit.
This may hurt quite a bit. People are putting too much stock into Forcier. I remember when Stafford, who is leaving for the NFL after his junior year, was terribly inconsistent as a freshman. Forcier may be great down the road, but his lack of experience is going to bring a lot of deja vu moments from last year.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:30 PM
#324
Counterpoint
And I can remember when Chad Henne was pretty solid as a freshman.
One case either way doesn't mean anything to what Tate may or may not be capable of.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:33 PM
#325
I don't think it's too much to ask
for Forcier to win the Heisman this year.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:37 PM
#326
For every Chad Henne there
For every Chad Henne there are a thousand Matt Staffords and Jimmy Clausens. The success rate is not particularly high.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:07 PM
#327
Pogue, you have no grace
You ought to allow a man his illusions.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:05 AM
#328
Clearly none of you
Clearly none of you specialized in reading comprehension, let's look again at what I originally said.
"One case either way doesn't mean anything to what Tate may or may not be capable of."
So, to sum up what is implied in that statement that all of you geniuses couldn't put together is that NONE, I repeat, NONE of the previous cases (Henne, Stafford, Clausen) mentioned have any effect on how Forcier plays, because he is his own man.
But go ahead, continue your ineptitude and thinking that because I said the name Chad Henne, I believe Tate is going to do awesome this year. Sheesh.
February 16th, 2009 at 11:22 AM
#329
Reading comprehension versus inference.
Lets see, your original post made a statement regarding Henne as a freshman, then said:
"one case either way doesn't mean anything to what Tate may or may not be capable of."
So then, what IS the point of your post? To have no point?
Then in your above reply, you expose yourself as having the very attitude that we inferred, that "Tate is going to be awesome this year." I.e., another Henne.
We read between the lines quite accurately.
February 16th, 2009 at 11:34 AM
#330
What he's saying is that
What he's saying is that Henne is a case for freshman success, while Clausen is a statement against freshman success.
He's also saying that Tate is his own man, meaning his success is not tied to Henne's or Clausen's or anyone else's.
You read between the lines too much - he never said Tate was going to have a great year. He said that's what YOU interpreted his post to mean. Go back and read his previous post again.
February 16th, 2009 at 11:56 AM
#331
So, we have one case for freshman success, another against.
And Tate is his own man, so they have no bearing on each other. Yeah, so? He (and now you) bring up players to say that they don't have anything to do with each other?
I did re-read his post. And he CONFIRMED OUR interpretation of what he said by his following statement that Tate is going to be awesome this year.
And it looks like our 3rd string QB just got promoted. That didn't take too long, now did it Magnus?
February 16th, 2009 at 12:26 PM
#332
wow. maybe your comprehension really does suck
Here's what he said:
"But go ahead, continue your ineptitude and thinking that because I said the name Chad Henne, I believe Tate is going to do awesome this year."
Another way of saying the same thing: Go ahead and think that just because I said the name Chad Henne, I think Forcier will be great.
It's sarcasm, see? He's saying you're jumping to conclusions. He's calling you stupid.
Regarding your last point, what? You think if Beaver was our second QB in this class that Threet would have stayed? Is Denard Robinson - who's still in Florida and might become a cornerback - instilling such fear in Threet that he sees the need to bolt? This does nothing to further your argument against me. It just shows that even though you tell me to "get over it", you can't do the same thing. Hypocritical much?
February 16th, 2009 at 1:20 PM
#333
I think he's saying that, if
I think he's saying that, if we hadn't lost our "third-string QB", we'd be in better shape now, because our top two QBs would both be four-star dual threat QBs who had enrolled early.
His words.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:39 PM
#334
I'm not going to say there's
I'm not going to say there's no difference between Beaver and Robinson and their enrollment, but in the long run, I think Beaver's early enrollment would have been a negligible difference. Either way, our second QB in this class would be a true freshman in 2009.
February 16th, 2009 at 6:44 PM
#335
I do understand what he originally wrote and the preceeding
context of the thread.
Re: reading comprehension, you do not seem to understand what I wrote in your two threads:
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/omg-we-lost-our-3rd-string-qb
http://mgoblog.com/content/omg-we-got-third-string-qb
Again, to sum, more quality recruits = better chance a quality QB takes the field. Particularly when considering the chances of injuries, transfers and players deemed ineligible.
With Threet, depth (particularly in light of the lack of experience at the position) was a major concern; it now is a critical issue.
People on this blog were understandably concerned when Beaver de-committed, and happy when Robinson committed. QB has been a position of great concern, and the more depth and quality players at the position, the better off the team. And, yeah, I fully expect Robinson to remain a QB. And, no, I don't think either Robinson or Beaver "scared off" Threet (and where did you get that from what I wrote?).
But shit does happen, and our "3rd string" QB you were seemingly so dismissive of, as a true freshman(!) is now only one player (another true freshman!) from being Michigan's starting QB. Let's hope that Robinson picks up the offense quickly.
Trying to have a cordial discussion with you is quite an experience.
February 16th, 2009 at 6:53 PM
#336
"And it looks like our 3rd
"And it looks like our 3rd string QB just got promoted. That didn't take too long, now did it Magnus?"
You were trying to have a "cordial" conversation with me? Hm. It seemed to me like you were looking for an argument.
Let me break it down for you:
Since we got Denard Robinson, our three viable QB's would be Threet, Forcier, and Robinson. Threet transferred. We're left with Forcier and Robinson.
If Beaver had remained committed, our three viable QB's would be Threet, Forcier, and Beaver (Robinson probably would not have chosen Michigan). Threet probably still would have transferred. We'd be left with Forcier and Beaver.
So...other than Beaver enrolling early, what's the difference? I understand that "more players = more chances for success." That has nothing to do with the argument, since we'd either have two incoming freshmen...or two incoming freshmen.
By the way, I like how you totally skipped over the hypocritical nature of your previous post. Telling me to "let it go" and then trying to start up another discussion about it? Stay classy.
February 16th, 2009 at 7:52 PM
#337
After Beaver's de-commit it was not a given that Michigan
was going to pick up a suitable replacement. We were lucky to pick up Robinson at the last minute (your 2nd to last paragraph, we very well may have had only 1 incoming freshman QB). Beaver or Robinson, Threet's decision is likely the same. Without either, who knows? I suspect Threet leaves all the same.
That leaves the team with a true freshman backed up by Sheridan. Yeah, that "3rd string QB" is looking that much more important, and that's panic time.
Regarding the comment "And it looks like our 3rd string QB just got promoted. That didn't take too long, now did it Magnus?" Sorry, truth hurts sometimes. And yeah, as you pointed out, Robinson is still in Florida. Hasn't enrolled. And he is now our 2nd string QB as a true freshman. Kind of elevates his importance, don't you think?
Regarding the hypocritical "letting it go." Uh, no, what I wrote about regarding importance of the "3rd string QB" is, today, even more important and valid.
And if you are not willing to admit that, I'm fine with that. I hope that in the spirit of your comment "Very realistically, Beaver's decommitment [now Robinson's commitment] affects the 2013 season" is right on. But at the time, and now more so, I strongly suspect quite the opposite.
February 16th, 2009 at 8:03 PM
#338
Part of the reason for my
Part of the reason for my Diary was to say "Let's not panic. There's still time to get another QB." Guess what? We got another QB. So the panic was unnecessary.
The truth doesn't hurt. It's just the truth. I don't really care, because my post never said definitively that Beaver was our third string QB. You (and several others) refuse to see that through my entire post, I said "if" and "if" and "if." And that doesn't change the fact that you told me to let it go and then brought it up again.
I understand why you brought it up - to try to rub it in my face that I was wrong. That's fine. I stand by what I wrote. I would write it again if the situation arose (although I'd change the title of the post, since most people judged the post by the title instead of the actual content).
But if you think it's okay to bring it up that part of my post was wrong, then don't tell me to "let it go" when I point out that part of my post was correct. You won't even admit that such a statement is hypocritical. You've been dancing around it for the past couple comments.
Also, you've failed to acknowledge that your reading comprehension from the above posts was less than stellar. You posted a couple times about how anskyman (or whoever) was wrong, even though you blatantly misinterpreted his post. Then you said "I understand the conversation that took place" without admitting that your interpretation was inaccurate from the get-go.
So forgive me if I don't take your chiding to heart.
February 16th, 2009 at 7:04 PM
#339
Bingo
Magnus nailed it on the head, he can comprehend what he reads.
All I meant was I don't care what Henne or Jimmy Clausen did, they don't affect Tate whatsoever. He can be great, or he can be awful, the past doesn't matter no matter which side you fall on.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:38 PM
#340
Henne was the exception to
Henne was the exception to the rule. Can anyone name 3 other recent true freshmen QBs who had a solid first year? Hell, I can't even think of one. Hell, look what happened to LSU in '07; they returned their entire OL and most of their skill players, yet ineffective QB play decimated that team. Both of their QBs were first year starters with no experience (a redshirt freshman and a true freshman). LSU struggled to get to 7 wins, and they were more experienced on both sides of the ball than Michigan will be in the '08 season. I'd say we have quite a bit to worry about.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:42 PM
#341
Obviously
My point wasn't that he's going to be just like Henne because he wears the same colors, just that anything is possible, regardless of what the past says. He could suck horrifically, or he could be decent, I would prefer the latter I suppose though
February 15th, 2009 at 10:58 PM
#342
And the other point is...
That although anything is possible, it is much, much, MUCH, more likely he struggles as a true frosh.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:44 PM
#343
I must have missed where Jake
I must have missed where Jake Long, Dave Baas, Braylon Edwards, Jason Avant and Steve Breaston were given another year of elibility to play for the '09 Michigan team. Stop with the freshman Henne/freshman Forcier comparisons. There are none. Even morons are laughing at that comparison.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:47 PM
#344
I'm a moron
and I laughed.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:14 PM
#345
Counter-counterpoint
Chad Henne had Braylon Edwards to bail him out when he made a bad decision (and when I say bail out, I mean reach around the defender and take the ball out of said-defenders hand).
This is not meant to be a knock on Chad Henne. I still think that he was beyond excellent as a freshman QB. But even though he defied expectations and proved to be a great QB, he still made poor decisions.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:22 PM
#346
I remember Doug Karsch
I remember Doug Karsch commenting on how former OC Terry Malone was coaching Henne to just throw the ball up in the general vicinity where Braylon was and not worry too much about trying to "thread the needle." It made it a helluva lot easier for Henne to have success. There is no Braylon Edwards on the '09 Wolverines football team.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:32 PM
#347
Improvement
Inconsistent would be a step up from last year. Our QB play last year was consistently horrible.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:39 PM
#348
I guess the question is do
I guess the question is do you think year two Threet would be worse than first year Forcier?
I dunno i'm glad that denard came though because that means we can run 80% of the time and probably still win some games.
February 15th, 2009 at 10:41 PM
#351
And I can remember...
...Threet, other than one game against ND and one half against Penn State being awful for most of the year.
Read this....
http://www.mgoblog.com/content/post-mortem-quarterback
And explain to me why we shouldn't get the freshmen as much playing time right away? It's better to just let Tate start, if Threet isn't going to be the guy.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:39 PM
#352
Channel 4 news
So I live in Ann Arbor and happened to be watching when this segment came up. I believe the wording was that Steven Threet MAY transfer and that at this point it was not confirmed. So while the writing appears to be on the wall this is by no means an official confirmation.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:15 PM
#353
Thanks for the update
I amended the title and OP in light of this.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:45 PM
#354
My feelings on the QB
My feelings on the QB situation is that no matter who plays it can only get better. Think about it, Tate/Denard can't really do much worse in the passing department and God knows they are going to be better at running the ball which only opens up our offense. I don't think people are putting enough emphasis on our two new QBs athletic ability and how that will help them. For an example, one onlys has to look to Pryor and Ohio State. He was a terrible passer, but won games with his feet. While I am not going to sit here and say Tate is a better runner than Pryor, I will put money on him being a better passer which basically evens out. The difference you will see this year is that when things aren't going well in the passing game our young QBs will still be able to make plays with their legs, something that was lacking last year. I just don't think it can really get any worse!
February 15th, 2009 at 8:55 PM
#355
I have always thought that
I have always thought that Pryor was a mediocre passer, but he was also the consensus #1 recruit in the nation last year, stepped into a situation with a great supporting cast on both sides of the ball, a senior QB to "mentor" him, and he still put up decent-but-not-great numbers. Tate is a very good QB prospect, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that he is even as good as Pryor was at this point in his college career. I am as optimistic as anyone about the future of this team and the young QBs coming into the program, but losing Threet (if this is true) will be a huge blow to this team that neither Tate nor Robinson will be able to fully absorb.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:46 PM
#356
If the question is whether
If the question is whether Forcier is better or worse than Pryor was a year ago, then I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it out to be. Pryor was the consensus #1 recruit that he was for a lot of reasons, but as a passer, one can argue for or against Forcier being the stronger player. Tate lacks the size that Pryor has, but in terms of raw talent, Tate's accuracy is as valuable as Pryor's elusiveness may have been to us had we picked him up in 08.
Without taking in any more hypotheticals though, I do agree that neither of the new recruits will be able to make up for the loss of a tempered QB, regardless of said QB's record on the field.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:10 PM
#357
horrible, if true
If no one else is panicking yet, I think I will go ahead and OMG PANIC.
If true, this is very very bad. We now have no qb's with any experience - again. Oh there's Sheridan, but as we know Sheridan = Death (unless we play Minnesota).
OMG PANIC PANIC PANIC
Forcier will to prove to be a wunderkind and never ever get hurt. Yeah, that'll happen. Yeah, that's it. That's what's gonna happen.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:24 PM
#358
Don't anyone kid themselves
Threet leaving would be horrible. Threet's our only experienced D-1 quality QB and, when healthy, he was decent as a FR. So many people heap scorn on Threet, forgetting FR almost never do shit. He WOULD be markedly better this year. Sure, we'll be throwing a spindly true frosh out there (yes, Forcier is spindly) and you really think he's NOT going to get injured? Don't bet on it!
Then what? Another little true frosh who isn't a great thrower. Great. Hello, 9 in the box. Good luck with that.
And then there's Sheridan = death.
Ugh.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:34 PM
#359
He's gone. We're facebook
He's gone. We're facebook friends.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:47 PM
#360
Please elaborate...
Please elaborate...
February 15th, 2009 at 10:29 PM
#361
he removed richrod from his
he removed richrod from his top friends app
February 15th, 2009 at 10:06 PM
#362
Cue the
"Not a Michigan Man," "Never wanted him anyway" talk.
February 15th, 2009 at 10:08 PM
#363
People on here
tend not to indulge in that kind of talk. If they do, they get flamed hard.
February 15th, 2009 at 10:25 PM
#364
Hold on w/ the panic stuff
First of all, Elvis Grbak and John Navarre both started as Freshmen. Navarre started due to injuries to Henson, but Elvis went day one aginst ND. Both ended up being darn good. Before people go all ape shit, I get that this does not mean Tate or DRob will be outstanding. But folks are acting like Henne was such a rare case and there are two other good exampes from Michigan. (Isn't there some guy at OSU who started as a freshman?)
Secondly, let's assume that the rumor is true and Threet is gone. I'm wouldn't be happy about it, but panic is misplaced. Let's face it, Threet just isn't all that good. He is not a threat on the ground, and the defensives eventaully ignored that part of the spread option. IMHO, he just doesn't have a D-I (or FBS or whatever the hell it is these days)arm. Last year he was simply unable to zing a ball over the middle. (When he tried to put velocity on he was inaccurate.) He also did not get the ball out to recievers near fast enough on the wide screens. He was useless on deep routes. This left us with a passing game of short, safe sideline routes. CB's rolled up on recievers, safeties played the run and Zoltan was a busy, busy man.
I also do not put all that much faith in his ability to get THAT much better. He was not an 18 year who hadn't had time in the wieght room. This was already his second or third year in a college program right? Sure, his decision making was going to get better, so he would have been able to decide where to put the ball. But, he lacks the physical ability to make the all the throws the offense demands. True, his arm was the best on the 2008 team. However, that had more to do with Sheridan = death than Threet = functional Big Ten QB.
Eventually, we are left with the issue of depth. I agree that this is a legit concern if Threet leaves and is why I hope he stays. But, I think we would be loosing a third string QB rather than a starter. I would rather have two guys who (I hope and pray) can actually run the offense be one and two, than have a guy with experience but who just can't get it done. The timing of this also suggests that Michigan has the same preference and has told Threet. I would, however, rather have Threet at 3rd string than Sheridan. (Hey Feagin, why don't you go ahead and take some reps at QB anyway?)
Of course, this whole thing could be a wild rumor.
February 15th, 2009 at 10:44 PM
#365
Here here....
...fan man.
Read this post...
http://www.mgoblog.com/content/post-mortem-quarterback
And I'd like anyone to tell me why we should fit the square peg of Threet into the round hole of Rich Rod's offense when he's got 2 perfect candidates to take over the job, who have been running the offense for years.
February 15th, 2009 at 10:50 PM
#366
Co-Sign
Very nice analysis, FannMan, and I agree: Threet's departure would impact the depth at the QB position more than anything else. Sure, his experience in the system is nice, but based on some of the posts, Threet was a QB with legitimate promise.
Not based on what I saw. He consistently had difficulty throwing spirals. He consistently missed considerably open receivers (to put it nicely). He seemed to lack the arm strength needed to make tough completions. He was inaccurate throwing screen passes (incompletions/thrown balls that killed the receiver's momentum).
And he did not fit the system. This will not change. Not now, and not ever. Threet would be no more than a stop-gap this year under Forcier/Robinson could really take the reins. Yes, it would be great to ease Forcier/Robinson into the role. Oh well.
Two closing comments. One: I don't think any of us expected Threet to start each game this year anyway. Two: we're kidding ourselves if we expected this year's version of the Wolverines to improve THAT much. It may hurt in the short-term, but Forcier/Robinson starting immediately would help much more in the long-term (2010/2011), and that's the realistic expectation for a team coming off a 3-9 season.
February 16th, 2009 at 12:39 AM
#367
I think that was the most disappointing thing about Threet
Was his lack of arm strength for a big pro style quarterback. He had very little velocity and rarely threw tight spirals. His best throw was middle seam route that he could loft. From the very start of their freshman year, you could tell that Henne and Mallet had excellent arm strength.
February 16th, 2009 at 7:28 AM
#368
Obviously, you are young and
Obviously, you are young and don't really know much about the Elvis lead team in 1989 and the Navarre games of 2000.
in 1989, Michigan was in the midst of a five year stretch of winning a big ten championship. That was a period of unequaled excellence in our modern past. He was dropped into a team that crushed the opposition. He had a nice year. But the rest of that team was incredible. [EDIT: more importantly, michael Taylor came back to lead the team to the rose bowl.]
In 2000, the offense was the best that I can remember. As i recall, four of the offensive linemen were drafted and played the next year in the NFL. Anthony Thomas was a senior. David Terrell and Marquis [EDIT: Walker] were the WRs. In the first big ten game of the season, Henson had to be rushed back from his injury to spell Navarre who was well on his way to losing that game. He was terrible as a REDSHIRT freshman. Henson comes in and turns that offense into the greatest show on turf. Navarre was not good even with outstanding talent around him.
So let's not assume Forcier is going to be even decent this year, should he be forced into the starting role.
And for all of the things Threet wasn't good at last year, he made very good decisions in the passing game, and arm strength is unlikely to be an issue assuming his arm has healed from last years injuries.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:29 PM
#369
Morning coffee
I am going to put the tone or your post up to a lack of morning coffee. Have a cup.
Please go back and actually read my post. As I said, I only brought up Grback and Navarre to point out two other QBs who started at Michigan as freshman. That was it. I totally agree that the history of other QBs does not mean anything as far as Tate or DRob (or anyone else) are concerned. In fact, I said so in my post.
I also agree that those teams were incredible. They were fun to watch. Oh the good old days.
By the way, I am "young" enough to have been a student for Elvis' first game. I am also old enough not to make silly assumptions just because I disagree with someone's post.
February 15th, 2009 at 10:32 PM
#370
Renaldo Sagesse, are you the
Renaldo Sagesse, are you the actual Renaldo Sagesse defensive lineman?
February 15th, 2009 at 11:02 PM
#371
let me answer that one for
let me answer that one for you: no
February 15th, 2009 at 11:08 PM
#372
Exactly
There is no other reason why he would want to transfer. Thank god we have all of these Steven Threet experts who know exactly what he is thinking about everything.
Don't rip on the kid for rumors of him transfering, don't say he wasn't tough enough to stick around and tough it out, or "oh he just needs to figure out he'll never be an NFL qb". Thats fucking stupid. He's a 20 year old kid and now rumors come out about him wanting to transfer, noone knows exactly how much merit there is to them or why he would even want to and people come out on the internet ripping him.
If you want to talk about how it could impact the team fine, but don't sit there, tearing into some 20 year old kid you don't know because he maybe doesn't want to play quarterback for the team you like.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:38 PM
#373
Good assessment
He struggled in a completely new system as a redshirt freshman and now he will never be succesful in college? I'm glad one year can tell us all we need to know about athletes. I'm sure noone has struggled as a freshman and then improved. Most kids don't even see the field that early. He was thrown into a poor situation and performed like most redshirt freshman in their first year of a new system would, poorly.
And why do you have to say he's ducking competition? Was he running from competition when he transfered into UofM when Mallet was still here? You have no knowledge of his situation other than a rumor, and you come on trashing him for maybe, possibly making a decision, when you have zero knowledge of any context he might be making it in, other than "he's afraid of competition.
February 16th, 2009 at 12:36 AM
#374
Point Taken
But did you watch the same games that I did? Outside of two games against two of the worst defenses the team saw all year (Purdue and Notre Dame), Threet was terrible. I saw nothing to suggest that Threet could be better than a mediocre QB at the Big Ten level.
Threet may not have been ideal for the system, but he never will be, either. Assuming that either Forcier or Robinson has an ADEQUATE arm, one of those two will be the QB sooner rather than later. We learned last year that the QB must be able to run for RR's offense to operate smoothly. Threet cannot run.
He completed just over 50% of his passes last year. Even if that increases by 5%, which is unlikely since so many completions last year were bubble screens, is that really enough? He still does not fit the system, and the playbook is smaller as a result.
I don't harbor any ill will against him. I think he did his best in a lousy situation, and I wish him all the best ... wherever he goes. But let's not paint an overly rosy picture of the QB play last year.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:40 PM
#375
Am I missing something?
If Threet transfer to a Division 1A school wouldn't he have 2 years of playing time? He would have to sit out this upcoming year as a redshirt sophomore, but then would still have his redshirt junior and senior years. Is this correct or am I missing something? If he still has 2 years of playing time then I think the transfer makes sense. If not, then not so much, especially with the oppurtunity to get a degree from Michigan.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:20 AM
#376
I don't believe you can
I don't believe you can Redshirt more than once unless it's a Medical Redshirt, but he would still have to sit out. Which means he would be a 4th year Junior before he could see the field again.
I think he winds up in FCS or Div 2. Part of the reason he came back up to MI was homesickness, could he wind up at Grand Valley?
February 15th, 2009 at 11:09 PM
#377
I say good-bye, and thanks
OK, so if Threet goes, good-bye. We will likely start a freshman, OK. But, as for a "tempered QB," Sheridan will fill the role nicely. He is pretty smart, so I hear. His dad is a coach and I also understand that coaching is Sheridan's ultimate goal anyway. So, Sheridan can provide some guidance. We do not need Threet for that. And, the same ability Threet could have to improve applies as well to Sheridan (yes, I did see him play, but he is not immune to improvement). So, D-Rob can be safety if he wants and Feagin could also compete for QB. Another tough year, of course. But look at the depth at QB (Tate, Justin, Nicky); we could lock up Gardner in 2010 easily with that depth. I am not saying Tate will be the next coming, either. But his skill set will get him through more situations successfully than we witnessed last year. The aged O-line will also help with the overall progression of the year. The circumstances aren't there for BCS contention yet, but they are in place for an improved season.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:12 PM
#378
You are 1000 kinds of
You are 1000 kinds of stupid.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:10 AM
#379
Baaaa
1000 kinds of stupid likes it when you stroke my beard. Baaaaa! Be weary of the petting zoo, for we are watching.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:15 PM
#380
As far as competition goes
I have my doubts that's the reason Threet would transfer. Keep in mind that when he transferred here he was 3rd on the depth chart behind Henne and Mallet. And Mallet was supposed to be the QB for the next 3-4 years after Henne graduated. If playing time was the issue I don't see why he would transfer from a place where he was the back up and competing to start (GT) to a place where he would be 3rd string and behind a highly touted 5 star for conceivably his entire college career (Mich).
February 15th, 2009 at 11:53 PM
#381
If this is true this sucks
It sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks, and sucks. And it sucks some more. Fuck.
I wish Steve all the best, and I hold no ill will towards him, and I hope he's happy and successful wherever he goes. But I was fond of him as a football player - to some extent I was hoping he'd end up with a story like those "Untouchables" kids at Kentucky - and I was really hopeful that he'd succeed on the field for us.
This decimates the QB position from a depth standpoint and reduces the *liklihood* that we'll be competitive this year, and even next. It sucks something awful.
Best of luck Steve. I hope you don't get too much grief on your way out - know that my personal grief is not aimed at you but at the general bloodymindedness of the universe*.
________
*- yes, I owe Brian $5.
February 16th, 2009 at 12:37 AM
#382
Transfer?
According to Detroit channel 4 the Threet transfer is just a rumor right now and they said it was just a rumor within fan sites right now. They said nothing concrete about it. Rob Parker from detnews said that it wouldn't surprise him because he didn't do much for Michigan so if he transfers so what we have better players now.
February 16th, 2009 at 12:41 AM
#383
You mean
Rob Parker formerly of the DetNews.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:00 AM
#384
New update
Per Michigan Daily, he is releasing a statement tomorrow.
http://www.michigandaily.com/content/2009-02-16/michigan-quarterback-ste...
I can't imagine that he is releasing a statement that he is sticking around. I'm pretty sure this is the end.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:32 AM
#385
CONFIRMED
He is gone, per the Freep:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090215/SPORTS0201/90...
February 16th, 2009 at 1:49 AM
#386
well....
All my best to Threet; he has some grapefruits and will always be respected in my book.
Now, for the love, Forcier, do not get injured!!!! The fate of Michigan football now rests on the shoulders of an 18 year old kid... though could be worse, it could be (with all due respect) Sheridan.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:35 AM
#387
I don't think there's that
I don't think there's that much of a drop off between Tate and Denard. If Denard plays, the team will run 75% of the time and if Tate plays the team will be closer to 65% in run plays.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:41 AM
#388
Well
Let's hope to God Tate Forcier is the second coming of Christ.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:44 AM
#389
Yep, he's gone
From Tate:
"ya he left."
