So if others M coaches beat off to the block M then Lloyd beats off to his former players?
I did not make this headline up
I'm impressed with the large numbers of people who seem to have already blazed their way through Three and Out. It took me a while. I stopped for a few days after "Honeymoon from Hell" because it was too depressing; every chapter featuring a game I knew they'd lose spectacularly required a little bit of willpower to start.
But I'm done and a large number of you are done. It is time to talk the turkey.
We've got this document. What does it say about major players in the saga? I was planning one part here but this got long, so today we'll cover Carr, Rodriguez, and Bill Martin, with various players with less prominent roles in the story covered in a post tomorrow.
It says a few things about Lloyd Carr that are not nice, and implies more. Bacon's said he left a lot of things out that he could not get multiple sources on, which is both his responsibility as an actual journalist and horribly frustrating.
The main strikes:
That's aside from the state of the roster when Rodriguez took over, which wasn't specifically directed at the new man.
Those seem like major strikes. Screw it: those are major strikes, particularly #3. I find it inconceivable that Eric Mayes would made it thirty seconds into the embarrassing "we own this program" speech before Bo burst from his chest like a Xenomorph. Carr does nothing. Multiple former players trash Rodriguez in public. Carr does nothing. The 2009 golf outing that even guys like Chris Balas* come back from disgusted at, naming specific names of players (Marlin Jackson, Dhani Jones) who embarrassed themselves with their behavior. Is Carr even at it? It's worse if he is.
So, like, whatever. Carr doesn't owe anyone anything except the 400k a year he was pulling down as associate AD. But he's no program patriarch. He's just a guy who used to coach here. His loyalty is to an incredibly specific version of Michigan only. The difference between the Bo guys and the Carr guys is obvious. Bo guys organize a weird counterproductive rally for RR; Carr guys go on MNF and state they're from "Lloyd Carr's Michigan" or storm the AD's office to demand RR's firing after every loss**. There are exceptions, obviously. The trend is clear.
I have no sympathy for arguments the guy is being painted unfairly when he was offered the opportunity to tell his side a dozen times. If history is written by the losers here it's because the winners don't care what the public thinks. They can't be surprised when the public thinks they're not Bo.
Carr did a lot of things for the program but his legacy is significantly tarnished by the pit it found itself in immediately after his departure. It was his lack of a coaching tree, lack of serious coordinators, and lack of tolerance for Les Miles that caused Michigan to hire Rodriguez in the first place. It was his lack of a roster—seven scholarship OL!—and lack of support that provided Rodriguez with two strikes before he even coached a game. We can argue about how much is Carr's fault and how much is Rodriguez's, but figuring out the latter is pointless since RR is gone and everyone hates him. The former is "far too much."
*[By this I mean guys who work for publications for whom access is lifeblood. They're naturally more circumspect. The reaction on premium sites to this golf outing was unprecedented, with people moved to call actual former players out by name after years of dark mutterings.]
**[Not in the book; something I got from a good source.]
If you left a goat in the locker room after a Michigan loss and then locked Rodriguez in it for five minutes, you would return to find the walls smeared with blood and feta. There would be no trace of the goat.
Rich Rodriguez was obviously not a stoic guy. His sideline tantrums proved that. The extent of his leg-gashing, table-throwing, goat-cheese-making post-loss hissies is probably the thing that Rodriguez is pissed about. They don't make him look like a stable dude. Neither does his descent into J. Edgar Hoover-esque paranoia, no matter how intent the university was on making that paranoia seems reasonable.
By the time I got through it, my reaction to Rodriguez's portrayal was different than that of the media reviewing the book. It doesn't paint Rodriguez as a guy I would want in charge of my football program. I can deal with one goat-annihilating postgame tantrum a year. Rodriguez seemed to have one after every loss.
So why do most neutral accounts play up the Rodriguez sympathy angle? They do not take the truth that the local media is dominated by agenda-laden twits to be self-evident. When Mike Rosenberg—who comes off as a real winner—bombed Rodriguez with a bunch of half-truths and misrepresentations I bombed back, stating that it was obvious the buyout kerfuffle was university-directed. Surprise: it was university-directed as they tried to get out of their 2.5 million dollar hook. Similarly, Free Press Jihad is re-exposed as a bunch of half-truths at best run by a couple of guys who "had countable hours in there at some point" but had it edited out, no doubt because that's not at all important in a discussion about whether Michigan was more than doubling their allotted time on Sundays.
If you go into the book knowing Rosenberg and Snyder published an embarrassing hack-job and that a large part of the media firestorm surrounding Rodriguez was a combination of University incompetence and the tiny lizard brains of certain folk in the local media*, the main takeaway from the book in re: RR is the sheer height of the plumes his emotional volcano shoots up. I mean, Bacon spends pages and pages on Rodriguez playing up the traditions of Michigan to his players. That's an obvious reaction to the Michigan Man business. I assumed Rodriguez was not an idiot when it came to firing up his troops, I guess, and that stuff shot by me. Beating a bleating ungulate against the wall of the Notre Dame locker room until it bursts into a kaleidoscope of viscera… that stays with you.
I feel bad for the guy. I'm glad he's gone.
*[The rest a combo of Rodriguez never winning any games and his remarkable ability to stick his leg into the press conference bear trap.]
Good Lord, man. I find it hard to believe that a guy who dragged Michigan kicking and screaming into massive financial success and smoothly hired John Beilein (admittedly after making a questionable hire in Tommy Amaker) was really as incompetent as… uh… I believed he was after the sailboat incident. That's Yogi Berra right there but it's also true.
Here's the the story of the post-Carr coaching search from the perspective of this site:
It seemed like a clown show, and behind the scenes… clown show. Martin wants Dungy, has no idea if Dungy—who is a broadcaster and can be contacted by anyone at any time for any reason—will take the job. Wants Ferentz, has no idea that the president of the university will stab him if he hires Ferentz. Wants Miles, has no idea that Lloyd Carr will stab him if he hires Miles. Somehow misses on Schiano, then has Rodriguez fall into his lap and grabs him before anyone can think about it, which sets up the whole buyout fiasco the media will spin for six months. The sailboat incident is even worse since Bacon asserts one of the main problems was Martin had a new cell phone and didn't know how to use it.
Martin himself drops out of the story shortly thereafter, which is another indictment of the guy because what enters is a vast institutional incompetence that starts the Rodriguez media cockroach katamari rolling. Everything from the buyout to the Dorsey situation is mishandled not only by Rodriguez (sometimes not even by Rodriguez, as with the buyout) but by the people who should be telling him what is and is not possible. When Rodriguez went to bat for Dorsey with a guy in admissions the guy in admissions should have looked at the guy's transcript before saying yes, and then when he did look at the transcript he should have said no.
Instead we actually sign the guy—opening us up to the most cynical and loathsome of all the lizard-brain media attacks—only to find out he is nowhere near eligible. And don't get me started on the CARA forms, which was a special brand of idiocy all on its own. Martin did a lot of big picture stuff very well, but he was totally unprepared to fix a department that had started downhill long before he arrived.
For all the crap I give Brandon about his failure on big picture stuff, he cleaned out the deadwood with alacrity.
TOMORROW: Players, reporters, me/us(!?).
So if others M coaches beat off to the block M then Lloyd beats off to his former players?
Thread winner. KO
If he wasn't going to first and foremost support the program above all else, he should've never taken the post-coaching job in the athletic department.
How is it unhealthy idolatry, which seems to be what you are implying, to tell your players that they should not revolt so that the team you HELPED BUILD does not fall apart!? And what about the players left behind? What about all those kids who didn't have the talent to go anywhere, or were not interested in leaving their school (and thus their adopted home and family of friends) because a new sheriff was in town? Isn't Carr's action here to those players much more reprehensible than any nobility you are trying to find in him could hope to undo?
You're right about one thing, Brodie: Lloyd is not Bo.
Yes, (assuming this is all true) Carr screwed up. He was not supposed to decide in his own (biased) opinion is best for young kids. Maybe he was wrong about whether RR's team was good for those kids, especially since RR had not shown how he was going to implement his system at UM at that point.
He was a university employee as coach and later as assistant A.D. He was paid a great deal of money and gained much fame for serving the University of Michigan.
He was not paid to be a neutral "guidance counselor" to a group of kids.
Are you saying it is "no problem" that Carr let his personal opinion override his job duties?
(BTW - In your world of coaches being "more loyal" to kids than to their jobs, would Hoke be justified in letting down his recruits at SDSU to come to Michigan? Was that in the best interests of those kids he coached or do you think he just didn't know the type of love Lloyd had for players?)
I don't think that it was "HE IS NOT BO!"
I think it was that he thought his own opinions were more important than the well-being of the Unviersity's football program. He put himself above his role in the program. No only would Bo not do that, but no one should do that.
In fact, RichRod did not do that for Denard and co. when he left and Hoke came in "bad mouthing basketball on grass." He did not interfer or undermine the new regime.
In this sense the point is "LLOYD IS NOT EVEN AS LOYAL TO UM AS RICH ROD...LET ALONE BO!!"
HEY KIDS, FUCK ALL OF YOU! I CARE MORE ABOUT MICHIGAN THAN ANY OF YOU
great way to win hearts and minds
You know, you're starting to convince me. If Lloyd had told his players to stick around to play football for the winningest program in CFB history and to get an education from a world-class university and to demonstrate that they believed in something more than simply getting what was best for them at that precise moment in their lives, why that would have been tantamount to child abuse!
"Hey Adrian, look you're probably only going to catch 20 passes next year but at least you'll still be at Michigan! That'll help with the sting when your dreams of playing pro football are crushed. Look, I'm going to be honest... all that stuff I told you when I recruited you about doing right by you was bullshit and all I care about is Michigan winning as many games as possible. To me, you're nothing more than a merc brought in for 4 years to achieve that goal."
THAT'S OUR MAN!
Would anyone have a problem with Carr saying to the team, "I know it's a change, but I contacted Rich personally about coaching at Michigan. I encourage you to hear the guy out first, then make a decision that's best for you."
he could have done that
how would we know? He doesn't get to give his side of the story
Now that is just wrong.
He has been asked for his side, but he refuses.
so clearly that means we should judge him without hearing his defense for himself
Hey, we do it all the time in the legal system. You have a chance to defend yourself; if you don't, you can't complain about people inferring what they will from your silence. That's human nature. Carr has been given numerous opportunities to voice his opinion, and he hasn't; in fact, he's been combative with even the notion. So yeah, as a fan and alum, I'm allowed to infer that his silence says something about his feelings about RR, especially given his support of other coaches and players.
And, it is black letter law that an adverse inference can be drawn from that.
Black letter law is basic and well-established.
And, it is the law because it is just:
"In a civil case, adverse inferences may be drawn against a party who asserts the Fifth Amendment and remains silent Baxter v. Palmigiano, 425 U.S. 308, 318 (1976) (“the Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them”); see Arminius Schleifmittel GMBH v. Design Indus., Inc., 2007 WL 534573 (M.D.N.C. Feb. 15, 2007) (granting injunction against defendant who asserted Fifth Amendment privilege because by asserting the privilege he rendered plaintiff’s factual presentation unrebutted). Because Bostic has not rebutted Plaintiff’s evidence, Plaintiff has established a likelihood of success on the merits of its claims for misappropriation of trade secrets and breach of his confidentiality agreement."
That would be great if this were a civil suit. But it's not, so we can't draw that inference. There are lots of reasons that Lloyd might not talk, from not liking Bacon, to being sick of everything to do with this mess, to having agreed with Brandon that addressing the book would only damage the program, to a general indifference about his reputation.
...but the point is we are all sitting in a hypothetical jury trying to determine if Lloyd was to blame or not.
So, we can draw the inferences.
There are lots of reasons for a defendant not to talk as well. Just as many as Lloyd have. But society (through law) says it is acceptable to draw negative inferences from that refusal to speak.
So, you can chose not to draw negative inferences if you want, but I do not thinkg most people are as naive as you.
He CHOSE not to give his side of the story. He was given several opportunities to do so.
But keep fighting the power, brother. Eventually you will beat the MGoNazis that keep collapsing your posts.
..."Hey Adrian, go talk to coach Rodriguez about your role if you are curious. I don't know what his plans are."
Considering Carr thought the spread attack was Commy football, I don't think anyone should have asked him about his take on the new offense RR was bringing in.
I think that was actually spoken by one of Carr's assistants at a football camp. Carr may have thought the same though, who knows?
Then why recommend RichRod for the job?
That's something that I really don't get. If you're going to put someone's name put there, and they do get the job, and you're still around, don't you owe it to that person to help him out a bit?
I agree with you. What my take was from the book is that first and foremost in LC's mind was making sure Les Miles didn't coach Michigan, and he saw Rich Rodriguez as a guy that could make that happen, and likely the only relevant candidate who was as much of a hot name as Miles. He knew Ferentz wasn't getting the job (MSC said no way...she was up close and personal with a lot of the sketchy shit that went down at Iowa that the national media doesn't mention much because, well, it's Iowa), and Schiano turned them down. At that point, he was staring down the barrell of Les Miles. So he made a move to get RR. It doesn't mean he loved RR; it just means he had less negative feelings about RR than he did Les Miles.
I think that's close to the truth. I think Coach Carr also thought Coach Rod had no chance of getting hired, and, with no other options, one of his former assistants would have been hired.
This is an interesting angle.
Another thing that leaps out against BM is the whole "This is Michigan" meme, where "every coach in America would give his left nut to come here." When the Schiano rejection came, that was a massive confirmation that maybe Michigan wasn't quite the destination (final/best place to coach). It was pretty stunning to see that the Rutgers coach didn't think Michigan wasn't the end all/be all.
You can obviously care about the University of Michigan's football program without it being to the detriment of the kids.
Lloyd had little to no idea what the program would look like when Rich Rod and company came in. Instead he guessed about what he thought would happen (which he then may have helped further through his actions).
Regardless, they did not need Lloyd to save them. They make their own decisions and could talk to RR about their place in the new regime.
Lloyd wouldn't have "fucked anybody over" by just standing behind the new guy.
Tell me buddy, how would Lloyd being quiet and letting Rich Rod deal with it, have "fucked anyone over"?
Seriously, THINK then post.
What makes you think Lloyd didn't do that? How many kids transferred before January 2 again?
How do we know Lloyd didn't have his own reasons for acting the way he did? WE DO NOT HAVE THE COMPLETE STORY, JUST ONE SIDE OF IT.
...didn't threaten to kill each of the players?
How do we know that Lloyd did not try to talk some players out of transferring?
How do we know Rich Rod didn't sleep with Lloyd's wife the night before the meeting?
We don't have the complete story. Oh Lord.
We are all, especially in sports, judged by a standard set by those who came before us.
Bo created a standard here for how a coach should act and who a coach should be. Put Lloyd Carr somewhere that didn't have a Bo standard, and few would question is greatness or commitment to the program. Unfortunately for him, he exists at a place that has an incredibly high standard for what a coach, or Michigan Man, should be. Lloyd Carr doesn't match up to Bo, and so he will be judged accordingly.
Is if fare? Maybe not. I dunno. But its reality. Its why we say He's not Bo. Bo set a standard, showed us all how a Michigan Man (yes I dispise the phrase too) must act.
Look at Kobe. He is/was as close to perfection as you could find on a basketball court, yet he was always not-quite-Jordan. Jordan set the standard for a basketball player's ability, competitiveness, marketability, drive...Kobe was not quite Jordan. If Kobe existed in a Jordanless world, well, he would be Jordan.
But Lloyd is not that kind of person. He can't be something he isn't. He was never going to go out in the media for whatever reason. He isn't comfortable with it. Big deal.
First, I have for years admired Lloyd Carr.
But to say he can't be something he isn't is ridiculous. I am reserved person, I don't like to be in the spot light, I would never want to be in front of the microphones for an interview.
But mess with my family, and I don't care what I am "comfortable" with or not, I am going to war.
If you're saying Carr can't be a certain type of person, its not the type of person who is comfortable out in the media. Its the type person who lacks the integrity to stick up for his family.
(and before someone wigs out on me, I am not saying Lloyd lacks integrity. I am saying if you fully believe a person is just a certain way and they can't change, then u must believe that certain type that Lloyd is lacks the integrity to stand up for family when they are attacked. He didn't, it wasn't because he isn't that type of person, it was a conscious calculated move on his part, what for I don't know)
If Carr doesn't want to speak, fine. He is entitled to silence. But as others have rightly pointed out, his silence can be used adversely against him, and it is. To excuse him because he doesn't like the media? Come on. His dislike didn't mean he was allowed to skip coach pressers...and likewise here, just because he isn't coach anymore doesn't mean he is suddenly free of any and all blame, and that he doesn't need to say anything to anyone.
And besides, he never had to talk to the media as a whole. All he needed to do was ONE interview, with ONE trusted journalist (like...Bacon, perhaps?!?!?), and we would have his side properly told. He didn't even do that. And that's fine. But I hope he realizes that he can only blame himself for how negative he looks throughout this book's retelling of events from the last year. HE has every right to defend himself from the backlash here. And so far, he hasn't.
I still love Lloyd, I still believe he's a great man and respect everything he did for Michigan. But even the best men can be really wrong sometimes.
when is Lloyd going to take over the Tigers and can Mario Impemba
There are a lot of things I liked about Carr more than Bo. But without being Bo, I strongly believe that Carr could have supported RR behind the scenes. Especially since Carr brought RR to Michigan, I think he owed it to RR to help him out more.
I will say, regarding RR, that I have heard he was a hotheaded foul mouthed jerk, which I don't care for. I've been around coaches like that. But, if we didn't want a coach like that, RR should never have been offered in the first place.
It is almost certain that as a recruiter Carr sold elite prospects such as Ryan Mallett and Justin Boren on Michigan being a vehicle for them to realize their NFL ambitions. They were signing up for a pro-style program, one which was dismantled with the hiring of Rodriguez and the implementation of the spread offense. This is not what those kids signed up for-- so why is such an unforgivable crime that Carr would not impede their departure?
And as I recall, no one transferred before January 2nd, when Carr officially stepped down and thereby relinquished the authority to sign transfer papers.
So his sin in this matter is... giving reasonable career advice?
One further note: can we not invoke Bo? Bo is dead, and what a worthless exercise it is to assert how he would have responded to the transition (besides, we all know if Bo were alive Miles would have ended up the coach after Bo forced he and Carr to reconcile).
Lest we forget, Bo and Lloyd had a decades-spanning working relationship which evolved into a deep, personal friendship. To speculate on their contrasting office-politics is really reckless, and probably offensive to each man.
The choice you're suggesting that Lloyd had to make - either choose what was best for the University or what was best for his players - is both false and stupid.
Lloyd reasonably could have told his players that they should recognize RR was bringing in a new system, and that they should talk to RR and seriously consider whether there would be a place for them in the new coaching regime. Lloyd could have advised them that if they were concerned after talking to RR that they wouldn't fit, they should transfer, or at least consider it.
That's apparently not what Lloyd did. Instead, what he did was advise his players to transfer WITHOUT first talking to the incoming coach. That was not what was best for his players or what was best for the University. It was what Lloyd felt like doing, apparently because he had some sort of axe to grind. The notion that he should be praised for it is ridiculous.
Denard, Smith, (all of the little slot WRs), Molk, the rest of the OL (aside from Lewan)... that they are not a fit for Manball and he would accept all transfers?
Is that cool? RR would have been loyal to "his kids" and cared more about them then the school. However, he didn't, and as I recall told the kids to give Hoke and Borges a fair shot.
This is a pointless debate. Rich Rod was fired, there was no lame duck period.
this is wrong on so many levels i don't know where to begin.
Honestly, with regard to Mallett I'm a bit torn as to how to think about Carr's actions. I'm fairly certain that Lloyd (rightfully) though Mallett was a complete asshat, so I don't think it's out of the question to think that he may have been doing Rodriguez and the program a favor by encouraging him to leave.
Let's not give credence to all the idiots that said 'if Rodriguez hadn't chased Mallett out, that definitely would have been a different season.' Bullshit. Maybe 1 or 2 wins better, but I bet there would have been some truly ugly shit in that locker room had Mallett stuck around for a losing season under a new coach (and Barwis! Can you imainge Mallett working under Barwis! He might literally have been fed to the wolves!) Even on the field, Mallett had poor footwork and idiotic decision-making, so I don't think he would have made very much of a difference in Rodriguez's offense.
This is not to excuse Carr of heinous shit if such heinous shit indeed went down (though my second-hand impression is that these things are not as clear-cut as Brian's reading of them suggests.) But in terms of Mallett: just like it was when people waved it in Rodriguez's face, that shit is just a lot of sound and fury signifying fuck all.
-First National championship we've had in a long time. Did Bo win one?
-6-7 (correct me if I'm wrong, off of memory) vs OSU, 10-3 vs MSU, 5-4 vs ND
-Lead speaker when Bo passed
-Was always very active in the Ann Arbor community
-Hall of Fame Coach
Do I really need to continue?
If you guys want to bash Lloyd that falls on you. Sleep with it. As for me, I want no part of it.
You represent the kind of fan that was probably in high school when LC was head coach, and had to endure RR for part of your college experience. I'm sorry.
Non-sarcastic slow clap.
Thank you for posting this. See my somewhat longer defense of LC (on totally different grounds) posted right below yours.
LC did so much for our program over his 13 years, including something that Bo and Mo couldn't - winning a NC. Sure, that team was stacked, but plenty a stacked team has stubbed its toe on the way to not winning a NC.
I cannot fathom how, after reading this book and hearing what an absolute WHACK JOB RR was, people still expected Lloyd and others - people who we all rooted for for years - to come out and blindly defend the man.
When RR was here, he had my full support, but he is gone. I am just shocked at how many people are willing to throw one of our finest coaches under the bus to rush to defend someone who brought us our worst three years in school history.
I'm about 3/4 through the book and I'm wondering where you get "whack job" from? It was obvious that Rodriguez had a temper (a pretty new thing for coaches huh?) but other than that I didn't see anything out of the ordinary.
The fact is Lloyd did NOTHING to aid in this transiiton for whatever reason. I don't care about offering to help players that wanted out, they would've left one way or another. But showing any public or private support probably could have helped a great deal.
I'm not saying Rodriguez should still be the coach or that it would've been totally different but I find the higher ups at Michigan equally culpable for the hit Michigan's program has taken the last 5 years.
My take, even though I acknowledge that no one asked, is that no one has clean hands here. I was in school during the Moeller/Carr transition days and feel very closely attached to those two guys as being the coach of the teams I watched in person every football saturday. As such, Lloyd Carr was always a great coach and mentor in my eyes, just as Bo was to those who grew up with him more so than I did. Lloyd was always going to be a hall-of-famer in my eyes and the National Championship I got to experience was amazing.
That said, I think its pretty obvious from the book and insider comments that Lloyd was not perfect. I guess the only thing I have to add is a little perspective in that just because Lloyd may (or may not) have hindered the transition it does not mean that people do not appreciate Lloyd's contributions to the university. If anything, it makes him human.
The real question is how much did Lloyd know about Rodriguez before he was hired. If he had first-hand or at least very reliable knowledge that he was a bad fit, maybe his failure was not voicing that more loudly before the hiring. If, on the other hand, his assessment was simply that Rodriguez was an outsider with a completely different approach to coaching, Lloyd should have at least helped ease the transition like everyone leaving a job does for their replacement. Could any of you imagine that you would not help the new guy get settled into your old position if you voluntarily left your job??? I sure couldn't. I would work hard to make sure he was up and running by my last day. For this I think Lloyd must share some blame. But, that said, it doesn't mean that Lloyd's tenure at Michigan should be decided or even seriously tarnished by this failure! Quite the contrary!
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned (and feel free to give me the Bolivia treatment if it has - I haven't been exhaustively keeping up with these threads) is the way that Rodriguez spoke about the situation he inherited and the coaches that came before him. I remember a few of the early press conferences (not the intro, I don't think) where Rodriguez said things about players having to adapt to working a little bit harder than they were used to, and that some of them had maybe gotten a little bit comfortable. He also - and perhaps deservedly - all but bluntly stated that the strength and conditioning program was a joke when he got there.
There are two points to make here: first of all, as a head coach you just don't do this shit. I don't care that Gittelson was a neaderthal - he had paid his fucking dues to the point where you say the politically correct thing if you have to say anything at all about the previous regime. This is a guy who'd devoted the better part of his adult life to Michigan football, you just put him out of a job, and now you're implying that he was doing a shiit job while he was here. I don't care if the shitty job part is true, you don't pull that shit. And in terms of insinuating that the previous coaching staff, including Lloyd, wasn't making players work hard enough - again, even if that had some truth to it, you don't fucking say that publicly (hell, anywhere but in your own home you don't say that shit.) This is the darker side of Rodriguez's apparent naievete with regard to press conferences - not only was he honest to a fault, sometimes that honesty showed self-preservation instincts that outweighed his concern for the program (see: Vince Lombardi couldn't do much with those guys.) Seriously, contrast the way Rodriguez spoke about the staff that preceed him with the unfailingly respectful (if often vague) way that Hoke et al. refer to the Rodriguez regime.
Secondly, as much as I think Rodriguez really fucked up in that regard, it's still not excusable for Lloyd to take umbrage and then go on a personal vendetta against Rodriguez, if that's what actually happened. On one hand, I think the shit Rodriguez said in press conferences was indicative of some larger flaws he has as coach. But on the other, I firmly believe in the attitude that there should have been more public support from Lloyd for Rodriguez, even if privately Lloyd had to take him aside and explain some things to him.
In the end, I think Lloyd's epic stubborness explained some of the great things about him - commitment to beliefs and values, etc. - and some of the uglier things about him as well. (Not to mention the fucking fullback shuffle.)
But how Bacon could be around the program, and not hear any of these things, if not from Rich himself, but at least from all these people who told him "Lloyd never liked Rich" that one of the reasons was the badmouthing of the prior regime and what he was left with, both publically and privately, he must have been wearing blinders, or decided to not include it in his "thousands of unpublished pages". But it's an interesting choice, considering how many things he's open to insinuating in the book, but others (like Miles) are off limits.
It doesn't make anyone the good guy....but Bacon certainly tries to paint it that way.
RichRod's coaching tenure was not the 3 worst years in school history
If losing record vs OSU and lead speaker at a memorial are so high up on your list I'm not sure what you are proving. Lloyd absolutely has done some wonderful things but why should that absolve his role in what has happened to the program that gave him every one of the things you mentioned?