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By Brian — November 30th, 2011 at 1:13 PM — 36 comments
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…mostly sucked.

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left: no. right: no.

It was the kind of game that leaves you writing a rage list a la Artur Boruc. Here's the Iowa version of this:

THINGS THAT DON’T WORK, FRAN MCCAFFERY

Posted by Mike Jones on November 29, 2011 in Basketball, Iowa

  1. Having your entire defense collapse on a player charging into the low post area. THIS LEAVES AROUND 3-4 GUYS WIDE OPEN TO SHOOT A 3-POINTER. WHEN EVERY TEAM HAS AN “UNUSUAL” AMOUNT OF SUCCESS BEHIND THE LINE IT ISN’T BECAUSE THEY’RE “JUST HAVING AN ON NIGHT.”
  2. Having your power forward take countless jumpshots. UNLESS YOUR POWER FORWARD IS TIM DUNCAN, HE SHOULDN’T BE SHOOTING 15 FOOTERS.

Etc., etc. I felt a lot like the above during the game last night as Michigan ran a zillion ball screens on which Virginia showed harrrrrrd, resulting in Stu Douglass dribbling the ball 30 feet from the basket with ten seconds on the shot clock. Apparently our offense only works when the opponent is drunk on coconut milk. /shakes fist

/continues shaking fist

/gets tired, shakes other fist

/realizes he is doing dance moves now

/halts

Anyway.

Tony Bennett is a war crime. That was hard to watch. Anything involving a Bennett coaching basketball is. I guess it works. I get that Memphis and UCLA are stupid teams with terrible defenses ripe for Michigan to pick apart and that Virginia is not, but what I don't get is how Michigan tore Duke apart in the second half of that game in Maui.

Guess: Duke doesn't really have a PG and put either Curry or Rivers on Burke, which led to a ton of quality penetration and nine Burke assists. In this game Burke had a tough time with Virginia's similarly lightning-quick PG and the offense was reduced to chucking it around the perimeter a la Amaker.

And we're in pine for next year mode. My inner monologue never gets more AAAARGGGGGH than when Beilein fields a lineup mid-majors would laugh at, like late in the first half when Christian, McLimans, Douglass, and Akunne were out there. Like… together. I know. Novak was the other guy on the floor.

It's times like that when the talent on the team still seems desperately deficient. Next year that lineup reads McGary-Robinson-Stauskas-something-something, which seems more likely to score on large athletic people. Or anyone.

Tim Hardaway Jr. fouled out five minutes into the second half. That is the effect of sitting a guy with two fouls for the final 15 minutes of the first half. All coaches do this, so this is not a Beilein-specific complaint, but good lord. Hardaway averaged 2.5 fouls per 40 last year and Virginia had a couple of shooters on the floor… is Joe Harris really going to draw a ton of fouls on Hardaway?

By sitting your best player the entire first half you're enacting the worst case scenario of leaving him in. Hardaway picked up one foul in the 20 minutes he was allowed to play.

Novak. Nails. Can't guard actual scoring power forwards.

Morgan and Horford. Keep repeating "bigs take time to develop" to yourself. They were in a tough spot against guys taller, older, and more athletic than them. Anyone with that kind of front line is going to shut off Michigan's frontcourt scoring, not that there really is any frontcourt scoring that isn't set up by the guards.

The 1-3-1. Equals six offensive rebounds. The best play against it when you've got seven-footers is to avoid the risk of a turnover by throwing up a brick and crashing the boards. I have no proof of this but it seemed a lot less effective than straight man to man. (We hope to get some proof of this in the future.)

My wildly bipolar relationship with Evan Smotrycz. I was at an Interpol concert a few years back when I ran across this couple. He: a slightly nebbishy lawyer sort in a button down and flat-front pants. She: dyed red hair on the edge of punky, little zebra-striped dress, pouty, vacillating wildly between emotional states. The terms of the relationship were instantly clear. She did whatever the hell she wanted and he put up with it because, goddamn, that dress. I present a metaphor for my feelings about sophomore Evan Smotrycz that seems a lot creepier than I thought it was going to be when I started it.

I loathed Smotrycz for much of Maui and expected to hop on the internet to find that others were ranting about his lack of development only to find the opposite ; in this game he was 4/4, 2/2 from three, and… fouled out in 22 minutes. One, a bailout of their 88% FT-shooting power forward with four seconds left on the shot clock, saw expletives arc gracefully across my living room. All basketball players look incredulous when called for a foul but Smotrycz takes it to another level, especially when he's just done something 1) obvious even to me and 2) really, really dumb.

He is putting on the floor a lot more these days to good effect and he's still the floor-spreading four Beilein wants. It's just that sometimes I want to strangle him. That's all I'm saying.

8 assists. Glarg glarg glarg glarg. When is the last time Michigan had more turnovers (11) than assists under Beilein? Half of those came from Burke, BTW. The rest of the team generated basically nothing.

Open threes. They has them. We don't. Very frustrating. Burke had his moments but isn't at the point Morris was last year. Morris created an absolute ton of shots. Not only was he third in assist rate last year but he launched a quarter of Michigan's shots when he was on the floor.

Burke was never going to fill that void himself, so who else steps up? It looks like the answer is "nobody." Maybe Hardaway, but Hardaway has kept up his freshman tendency of disappearing for long stretches. He doesn't have the handle to create shots in an isolation situation so he has to get things from the framework of the offense. Maybe that means good defenses can shut him down? (See also: his coach leaving him on the bench for 15 minutes in the first half.)

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:21 PM | You're dead on with this (Score:2 Normal)
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You're dead on with this one:

...Christian, McLimans, Douglass, and Akunne were out there.

Christian was terrible.  Terrible.  And turrible.  McLimans is always a guaranteed minus player.  Akunne?  Why, is Brundidge off the team?  In general, I've found Christian to be a suitable off-the-bench hard working player, but he had a 1-2 minute stretch last night that doomed us.

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:23 PM | Didn't see the game (Score:1)
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But based on the box score, the enitre difference was rebounding and UVA's ability to get to the free throw line. Accurate?

If so, those have been the aspects that Beilein teams always struggle with the most. Teams like Wisky and UVA take advantage of this. Not sure how much can really be done about it except continuing to increase the team's talent so that it is more adaptable. 

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November 30th, 2011 at 3:36 PM | Watching the game, we were in (Score:1)
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Watching the game, we were in "relative" control for a large portion of the game but UVA's offensive rebounding kept the game tight.  IMO, we lost the game during a stretch where Colton Christian played the worst ball I've seen him play.  He missed a layup, missed a couple free throws, turned the ball over and took (and missed) a terrible mid-range jumper he shouldn't have taken.

I don't mean to push the blame all on one player, but the momentum swung after that quick stretch of bad play.  A bigger, team-wide issue was our inability to drive the ball.  UVA was playing very tight D.  It seemed like we could have attacked their perimeter D in order to draw more fouls and loosen the play.  Instead, we just skipped around well beyond the arc.  Tough game, but as many have said, it's just one road game.  Not a big deal, but a bummer.

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:23 PM | two thoughts: (Score:1)
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1. i think the team might not have been at full energy b/c the trip to and from maui takes more out of you than you think, even a few days later.

2. benching hardaway for 15 minutes in the first half infuriated me.  all minutes are created equal.  this guaranteed he'd sit instead of risking it and finding out.  as you note, most coaches do this.  i think there has to be someone out there who has done this analysis a la romer and fourth downs and i'd love to see it.  anyone come across something like that?

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:38 PM | I would love to see that analysis also. (Score:1)
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I have seen so many times where guys are benched for long periods and, like Hardaway, don't even pick up their 4th foul.

"I hate losing more than I like winning." - Zack

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November 30th, 2011 at 4:21 PM | It was a scheduling disaster having us on the road after (Score:1)
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Maui. Duke was pretty flat on the road as well. Just poor timing with that tournament. Give us a few games at home and then go to Virginia, I bet the outcome is different.

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November 30th, 2011 at 4:27 PM | All minutes are not equal (Score:1)
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I disagree that all minutes are created equal.  Having Hardaway in the second half is more important than having him in the first half.  Unfortunately his plus/minus says the exact opposite, but I'd rather have him with 2 minutes left in the second half than 2 minutes left in the first.  He's our leader and if the game is close, you want him to have the ball at the end.  That's not to say I agree with Beilein's decision to sit him for so long, but the risk adverse strategy Beilein employed has merits or else he - and other coaches who know much more than us - wouldn't do it.

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:25 PM | Basketball during football season . . . (Score:0 Normal)
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Anyone else have troubles making the transition to watching basketball while the college football season is still upon us?  I wish they wouldn't overlap because I find it difficult to focus on hoops during these first few weeks.  As such, I appreciate all these basketball posts because they help keep me in the loop until I can settle in and watch the games.

 

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:05 PM | Yes (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't really have my basketball-watching hat on, so to speak.  I can't blame the guys for having a sluggish night last night because I'm sure that I'm not yelling at the TV at the right times yet either. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:28 PM | looking sleepy (Score:1)
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Smot looks absolutely sleepy/fuzzy out there, so do Stu and Vogrich for that matter. I see a trend...

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:32 PM | I'm going to wait for the (Score:2 Normal)
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I'm going to wait for the Memphis - Michigan UFR Ace promised us all before I determine what the problems are with Michigan at this point.

To Ace: you might now recognize the biggest problem with doing college basketball UFRs. They are only worth reading if we can see them before the next game.

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:35 PM | Tired legs plus a Bennet team (Score:1)
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Tired legs plus a Bennet team that makes you defend for 33 seconds, pressures the ball and bumps cutters all over the front court is a bad combo. We played exactly like an NBA on the second night of a back-to-back. (And god, there are going to be some lazy defensive games in the NBA this year given all the back-to-backs they have to schedule). 

It caught up to us in that run just after Smot went out (on a classic tired legs foul). We just ran out of energy to rebound and close out their shooters.

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:39 PM | Arrrrggghh!! (Score:3 Normal)
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Brian, did you write this before your coffee this morning?  

Seems like a lot of venom for a game in which we lost on the road to a decent opponent who is boring but  very well coached.

I had a different take from the game.

Novak- If he can continue to make the pull up J and take it to the rack a little, Michigan is in grat shape.  I really like what he has done the last 4 games.

Smotrycz- Loving it.  Looks good taking it to the rack and is rebounding much better.  He'll be fine.

Hardaway-Completley agree with not benching guys with fouls.  Other than that he was great in Maui and played poorly yesterday.  It happens.

Stu- Is Stu

Burke-He has shown great flashes,  but he is a freshmen trying to learn a complex system, play 35 minutes a game and find that delicate balance between running the offense and being the "here's the ball 10 seconds on the shot clock go"  guy.   Give the kid some time.

Vogrich- Make Shots!!!!   I've never had more confidence in a stroke since Glen Rice.   He needs to make them to stay on the floor.

Horford/Morgan-  Only part of the team I'm a little worried about going forward.  I knew Morgan's points were a product of Morris last year, but he needs to be more assertive in the paint and on the glass.  Horford still looks uncomfortable out there.  May take a little bit more time for him.

All in all I've seen enough improvement from Novak, Smot and the potential from Burke that we will have a good year.

 

 

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:44 PM | As per Horford/Morgan, (Score:1)
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in my perfect world, big men would always be juniors & seniors (unless they are 5* guys like McGary).

"I hate losing more than I like winning." - Zack

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:43 PM | Just One Game.... (Score:4 Normal)
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How about we settle down and see how the team does for a few more games before going ballistic?  I mean, do we expect that a team just back from Maui on the road for the first time against an ACC reasonably good team with a true freshmen point guard that finished 21-14 to suddenly go 29-6 or something? 

This team needs to develop and learn how to play together without Morris, and we can expect some growing pains like this loss along the way.

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:06 PM | co-sign (Score:2)
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Also, Michigan just beat OSU in football.  Let's all step away from the ledge and enjoy ourselves a little. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:44 PM | Sitting with two fouls (Score:1)
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First off, there is no doubt in my mind that having one of your key players in the last five minutes of the game is more valuable than having him for five minutes in the first half. Second, Hardaway still got 25 minutes and we did fine without him. So Hardway sitting had pretty much nothing to do with us losing. His poor performance probably did.

All that said, I think you base your decision on sitting a player with two fouls based on how frequently they foul. If Morgan or Smot picks up two in the first half, sit them. If Burke or Hardaway picks up two, I'd probably let them go until they pick up three.

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:55 PM | You said: (Score:1)
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"Second, Hardaway still got 25 minutes and we did fine without him. So Hardway sitting had pretty much nothing to do with us losing."  I respectfully disagree with both of those statements.  Did we do fine because we were only down 1 at half time?  Maybe with him, we would have been up 10.  By playing more in the first half, maybe he finds his groove and has a bigger impact in the second half.  Maybe his "poor performance" as you put it, was the result of not enough time on the floor. 

We can't really be sure what the result would have been had he continued to play in the first half, but like you concluded, my preference would have been to play him.

"I hate losing more than I like winning." - Zack

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November 30th, 2011 at 3:19 PM | Re (Score:1)
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Despite sitting in the first half, Hardaway had plenty of opportunities to impact the game in the second half and he didn't.  You can argue that he would have found his rhythm in the first half but if he's hoping to be our star a first round draft pick, that's a poor excuse.

Anyway, we lost that game primarily due to getting outmuscled (dominated on the boards) and pathetic defensive rotations. We gave up way too many open threes and they finally started to connect towards the end of the game. The offense was actually looking pretty good to start the second half despite Hardaway's struggles. Then we just completely collapsed.

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:46 PM | Morgan (Score:2)
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He strikes me as a very good player with serious mental issues on the court. He was quiet all game until his monster dunk. For the next few possessions he had rebounds, created at least one turnover and looked energetic on the offensive side too. Then, he fouled or turned the ball over (I don't remember), and he was MIA for the rest of the game. He needs to realize he is a very athletic big man who is also going to make some mistakes. He needs to let those mistkakes go and keep playing with the same intensity regardless of what has already happened.

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:07 PM | He obviously misses Morris (Score:2)
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It's going to take some time for Morgan and Burke to be on the same page like Morgan and Morris were. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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November 30th, 2011 at 1:47 PM | Not all coaches sub w/ 2 fouls (Score:2 Normal)
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I read a book by Mike Kryzyzewski (Leading w/ the Heart I think) where he goes into detail about what to do with players w/ two fouls in the first half. He says that yes, most coaches do it but that it's stupid to automatically bench a player as a result. His philosophy is (if I remember correctly) to actually coach the situation and make a decision based on who the player is, opponent, circumstances of the game, etc. He went on to say that defaulting to automatically benching someone w/ two fouls is lazy, and if he knows another coach does it, he will gameplan the first few minutes to see if he can get certain players out of the game.

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:01 PM | I'm still very excited about this team (Score:2)
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But all the optimism I gained from the Maui games got squashed yesterday.  Virginia made us look unathletic and they really took advantage of our lack of size.  Given how well we rebounded in Maui, it was tough to watch us get killed on the glass like that.

On the other hand, the three big men we play are all sophomores, and there's help in the pipeline.  Hopefully in future years we'll have enough bigs to be able to always put two solid-to-better ones out there.

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:05 PM | that was (Score:2)
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a disheartening loss, especially to a virginia team that may or may not be good (they lost to TCU afterall). 

so far this team has been wildly bi-polar: uninspiring in their first few OOC games, beat up memphis and ucla, fought hard with duke, then came out flat against UVA.  what do we have here? i dont know but im chalking this one up to post-maui hangover...i still think expectations are high for the team.  lets not jump off the cliff yet.

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:23 PM | We are not used to getting out-toughed or outdefended (Score:2)
Nacho Mama
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But it happens.  I was disappointed but not as up in arms about this game.  The boys played their skulls out in Maui and probably were a little tired.  Virginia played tough d and had a talented big man.  We shot pretty well, made some poor decisions but caught a bad streak.  All in all, we didn't play our best, but didn't play bad either.  I am not happy about this loss but ok with it.  

With you about Hardaway, wish he played more in the first half.  Seemed not able to get in a groove after the extended sit.  Maybe I am more zen than I should be, but I am still very excited about this team's prospects.  

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:27 PM | Still too early (Score:1)
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Still too early to go to the rageahol against this team. It was a disappointing loss, but sometimes that's the nature of college basketball. Even last year's team had a bad loss against UTEP and started the Big Ten season 1-6, yet they managed an 8-seed in the NCAA tournament. Have a little more faith.

Michigan's offensive style requires more players that have greater interactions with the Higgs field.

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:24 PM | methinks... (Score:1)
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...this is far, far less of a "jump off the bridge" game than Brian thinks...we lost, on the road, to a good team that plays really good defense, shortly after a 3-games-in-3-nights trip to MAUI. It happens.

Put another way, why am I talking people off the ledge when etc. etc. I keed.

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:32 PM | * (Score:1)
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Road game, foul trouble

Underrated opponent

MUST OVERREACT

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:33 PM | Did anyone's mind wander from the game... (Score:3 Funny)
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After Brian mentioned this...?

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:42 PM | I'm not worried (Score:1)
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"Stuff" happens over the course of a season.  Nobody plays their best game every time out.  The team will improve, and there will be better days.  Even Duke loses big once in awhile. Michigan's job right now is to get the team for the B1G season without sustaining too many losses while doing it.  If they can do that, everything else will fall into place.

 

 

 

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:47 PM | We will need... (Score:1)
cps2010
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...Stu to be able to penetrate when he is the PG, and we have to avoid Novak guarding post-up players.  Burke went to the bench for a rest with 12 minutes left of a 41-41 tie.  When he came back with 9 minutes left, it was 50-41.  In other words, when Burke was in the game, we were dead-even.  When he wasn't, we got schooled.  We had no one to break down the in-your-shorts-all-the-way-to-halfcourt defense to combat the easy throw-ins to Scott down low against Novak, causing collapsing help and open looks from three.

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November 30th, 2011 at 2:50 PM | The maddening part of it all? (Score:2)
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The maddening part of it all? If this were a home game instead of road, M probably wins in similar fashion. Virginia was far from impressive in the first half, and could have been down 10 or more, with any execution at all on M's part,

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November 30th, 2011 at 4:31 PM | I think this is an enormous (Score:2)
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I think this is an enormous overreaction. Michigan is probably a tad better than UVA on neutral court, so it was always going to be and uphill battle.  They waer probably still jet lagged after Maui and I would bet the lineup you mentioned is a result of that. Now if we lose to ISU on Saturday, I can understand the panic, but ultimately this might be the difference between being a 6 seed or a 7 seed. 

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

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November 30th, 2011 at 4:47 PM | I realize there is a bias in (Score:3 Normal)
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I realize there is a bias in what I'm about to say, but I think the simple fact of that game is that the evidence is mounting that UVA has one of the best defenses in the country, period. Combine that with tired Maui legs and it's basically a game that can be considered an outlier. I think part of the evidence for this is that a lot of what is said in this column would be no news at all to a Virginia fan - that is, it wasn't just a one-game artifact of luck. For example:

Michigan ran a zillion ball screens on which Virginia showed harrrrrrd,

This is not a result of scouting Michigan and finding tendencies that can be exploited; rather, it's, like, an ability to be gained upon leveling up in the pack-line defense.  Grow up your characters in Final Fantasy and you can use new weapons; get a few years under you in the pack-line and you can contest these high ball screens.  UVA has been doing this all year; it's something coaches can plan for given an offseason to care about it, but not a post-Maui week to scout.

In this game Burke had a tough time with Virginia's similarly lightning-quick PG

Much like Burke has already opened eyes with some veteran savvy, Jontel Evans has been a sparkling, top-notch on-ball defender since his freshman year.  Consider it a weapon UVA has rather than a deficiency on Burke.

and the offense was reduced to chucking it around the perimeter a la Amaker.

Precisely what the pack-line tries to make you do, and since UVA is really the only team in the country that runs this defense so well (if not the only one to run it period) it again is more of a weapon that UVA has than a bad sign for Michigan.

is Joe Harris really going to draw a ton of fouls on Hardaway?

He might, actually; Harris's whiteness is deceptive.  He's strong and has a good handle.

Ultimately I wouldn't draw any long-term conclusions from this, other than a possibility Michigan may struggle against zones and that Jared Sullinger will score 20 on us even if you amputate his leg.

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

- Mark Dantonio

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