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by Seth

Over the past three days, Michigan's addressed the Shane Morris incident in three different ways:

1) Two-paragraph statement with boilerplate language about student health that claims Morris was removed from the game because of a leg injury and doesn't even mention the possibility of a concussion.

2) Testy Hoke press conference in which Hoke says Morris would have practiced Sunday if not for a high ankle sprain, says there is a statement from medical staff forthcoming, says he hasn't talked to Brandon since Saturday.

3) Medical staff release becomes Brandon statement released at 1:30 AM in which it is admitted that Morris had a mild concussion BUT BUT BUT all this other stuff.

I'm not particularly interested in arguing about whether Brady Hoke is a great dude who's too incompetent to be Michigan's coach or a careless rub-some-dirt-on-it dinosaur who's too incompetent to be Michigan's coach. Either way his lifespan in our lives is measured in weeks, with no pardon coming.

You say he's a great dude, fine. Michigan's still been blown out by every Power 5 team they've played in year four. I'll agree with you that he's a great dude as long as he's a great dude with another job.

The real issue is Dave Brandon. Michigan is caught in a web of contradictions that the Rosenbergs of the world will contort themselves through to say that Michigan technically didn't lie to the world about player safety, and fine! I'm not even going to comb this pile to find the parts that directly contradict other parts. Sure, Dave Brandon is… a great… dude. Let's even stipulate that.

He just evaporated for 52 hours, left his coach out to dry with information that was incorrect, contradicted him on half the stuff he said after most of the western world had gone to bed, and helped spin Michigan Can't Protect Its Players from

  • a one-day story in which Michigan acts like adults about a bad situation and addresses the failures that culminated in Morris putting his helmet back on to
  • a three-days-and-counting story that makes Michigan look like a mendacious clownshow.

The Brand has been tarnished by Dave Brandon's incompetence, by his instinct to obfuscate and cover his ass. The #1 play of this athletic department is to not quite lie to your face and ask "are you calling me a liar?"

I am. And you need to GTFO.

Comments

Year of Revenge II

September 30th, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^

 

It is past time for real leadership at this University to release DB back to the world of corporations and profits where he seems to flourish, and to release BH and his minnions to the MAC, high school, or the Cartoon Network.  No disrespect intended, but these people have to start respecting themselves before they can earn it with anyone else.  

If Bo had a fault, and we all have them, it was loyalty to a fault. I agree it is way past time to leave Mo, Carr, their grad assts or line coaches (eg, Brady Hoke), their end-of-the-benchers (eg, Dave Brandon), to posterity, some good, some very bad.  

It is hard to imagine a worse state of affairs than what exists on Tuesday, September 30, 2014 with respect to the University of Michigan football team and athletic department.  In the name of all who have gone before them, and all who will follow them, thank DB and BH for their service and let them go, TODAY, if possible, but as soon as reasonably appropriate for the University, its football team, and the individuals involved.  

Start with a new AD, and a new coach.  Forget this "Michigan Man" BS.  It was coined by Bo to get past the shenanigans of his then appliance-salesman coach Bill Freider, who bolted to ASU on the even of the NCAA tourney and expected to stay on through it at UM. Nothing more, nothing less.  Michigan Men attempt to live up to certain principles in my humble opinion, not just pay lip service to them.  If DB and BH are the Michigan Men they claim to be, they would resign for the good of the University's football team and athletic department.  We shall see what they are made of, but it does not look good.  

The University is bigger than its football team or athletics.  It stands for much more than that.  However, its football team and athletices have for the most part been reflective of the standards of excellence of the University as a whole.  It is time to recognize how far we have gotten from that state of affairs with these people at the controls.  Lets rebuild the house on a firm foundation, and that can only start by clearing the site.

late night BTB

September 30th, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^

I wrote this Monday AM, withdraw support now!

Don't go to games until Hoke and Brandon are gone, don't buy merchandise, don't watch the games, don't wear M apparel.  That's the only way the morally bankrupt people in charge will get the hint.

Me? I'm going to the MSU-Nebraska game Saturday. After this comment, Michigan (all of it, because the entire University is being drug through the mud in this debacle) is dead to me until BH and DB are gone. 

Umich97

September 30th, 2014 at 11:19 AM ^

I'll never turn my back on the school or the players. I'm not happy with the situation either, but I strongly believe the errors and incompetence will get addressed without me having to reduce my support for the players or my University.

I'd also recommend anyone else that isn't happy, share there opinion in ways that don't hurt the students. Ex: Letters to University, Peaceful Public demonstration (but not at the game, cuz I'd still cheer for the players. They need to know we support them still).

bleed_trueblue17

September 30th, 2014 at 2:15 PM ^

A statement I understand. You voice your opinion that not going isn't a good answer with info as to what you would do and why. You don't call him an idiot for withdrawing support but state why you disagree. A very same counter point thank you.

BlueKelvinator

September 30th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^

As an alumnus of Michigan, I can never turn my back on my school and on the athletes who committed to represent Michigan. I trust that the university will act with integrity and do what's necessary to right the ship.

I will continue to support our student athletes on the football team regardless how painful it may be. 

Alton

September 30th, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^

So that release by Mr. Brandon early this morning was supposed to take the place of the promised statement from the medical staff?  In other words, we are no longer supposed to expect the medical staff to release any further information?

So what happened?  (1) Medical staff prepared a statement, and Mr. Brandon refused to allow it to be released and wrote his own instead?  (2) Mr. Brandon wrote a statement for the medical staff to sign, and they refused, so Mr. Brandon released it under his own name instead?  (3) Medical staff refused to issue a statement of any kind, saying it's not in their job description?  It has to be one of the three, correct?

Also, "Mendacious Clownshow" is absolutely the name of my next fantasy football team.

Ed Shuttlesworth

September 30th, 2014 at 11:12 AM ^

They could have just said "we screwed up, sorry, we apologize, won't happen again" on Saturday night and that would have been that.  Why Brandon let it fester and explode is something only he can explain -- stupidly, we can be sure.

Who knows if Hoke can coach or not, but he made a big mistake letting himself just become Brandon's puppet.  He should have just been himself, told Brandon to stick it, and let the chips fall wherever they fall.  If he's capable of insightful reflection, that will be his biggest regret when or shortly after this is over.

AlwaysBlue

September 30th, 2014 at 11:15 AM ^

called an idiot and fucking moron for defending Hoke on this. In my opinion though this falls on the trainers, medical staff and BRANDON. Brandon has to go. Let the new AD fire/hire a new coach.

umumum

September 30th, 2014 at 2:40 PM ^

I have always wanted Brandon gone more than Hoke, and I also don't believe Hoke knowingly sent out a player with a concussion, but he's the damn head coach of a major football program and is ultimately responsible for everything associated with the program.  Not knowing what he should have known is on Hoke; not standing up to Brandon is an embarrassment.

Firstbase

September 30th, 2014 at 11:21 AM ^

...adds another compelling and convenient reason to replace BH in addition to his abysmal record (4-9 in the last 13 games). The talent on the roster isn't the problem. It's the coaching (or lack thereof) IMHO.
 
It also provides a valid reason to dismiss a bungling DB.
 
I've been thinking that waiting until the season's end would be likely and prudent, but now I think immediate action is the best course and naming an interim HC.
 
This single incident has probably set Michigan football back another 2 to 3 years; perhaps longer from a recruiting perspective alone.
 
I'm not sure BH even realizes the severity of the sh!tstorm he's in. 
 
 

Indiana Blue

September 30th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^

I don't think Hoke has ever lied.  That is simply speculation, and there is no history of this.  On the other side - I do believe that Dave Brandon has already shown himself to be disingenuis and essentailly a "marketing boy" that cares not for facts - but has the absolute desire to spin everything.

It looks as though half of this board are reincarnated from the "Salem Witch Trials" and I think its an unfortunate that Brian choose to go the GTFO route, when he has facts alone to back up everything he has reported.  It shows that Brian is taking this personally, which is unimportant - we all know what Brian thinks of Hoke and Brandon, and MANY of us feel the same way!

It's time to let the process work.  There is plenty to chew on and have a little trust in the University of Michigan's ability to handle the inappropriate actions that have occurred, which in my opinion are countless more from the AD than what has occurred on the gridiron (as bad as that's been).

Go Blue! 

CompleteLunacy

September 30th, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^

"It is time to let the process work."

If the process hasn't worked to this point (and there is quite a bit of ample evidence to support this), then sometimes you have to force the process. That isn't to say that we shouldn't trust the president and regents to do the right thing...but they need to know, now more than ever, how displeased and angered the fans are over this, especially since they likely ARE going to consider soon whether DB should be kept or not. We all have a voice and there is nothing wrong with using it...the last thing we should do is sit back and do nothing. 

MIRuss

September 30th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^

Well said.  

There's nothing left in any of this.  The only way to fix any of it is to sweep the house clean.  I get that firing everyone takes us back so many steps...But does it?  Does it really take us backwards or is it a huge leap forward to finding the solution?

 

MIRuss

September 30th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^

Well said.  

There's nothing left in any of this.  The only way to fix any of it is to sweep the house clean.  I get that firing everyone takes us back so many steps...But does it?  Does it really take us backwards or is it a huge leap forward to finding the solution?

 

BlueinLansing

September 30th, 2014 at 11:25 AM ^

is why big money college athletics has a problem.

 

You don't put people in charge of an athletics department with no athletic leadership history and you've now become so big you need to be run like a fortune 500 company.

Number 7

September 30th, 2014 at 11:28 AM ^

I would chalk up much of this board's reaction on Saturday night and Sunday to over-reaction, at least in terms of the calls for heads.  However, the athletic department's reactions since Saturday night have absolutely justified the extremism of the initial reactions, at least as regards the director.

UM Fan in Nashville

September 30th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^

Did we expect anything other than this PR debacle after the handling of the Gibbons situation?  

 

This is a clear indication that Brandon and Hoke are both in over their heads and don't know how to properly lead, in the good and the bad.

 

And here I was making fun of my brother-in-law for being a fan of USC...

Joseph_P_Freshwater

September 30th, 2014 at 11:39 AM ^

I was in Mexico City.  While walking, I heard a strange bleeting sound. I asked my friend Jaime what it was.  He took us to a crack in the wall.  Behind it, you could see workers rounding up sheep and slitting their throats to be send off to the markets.  It was a bloodbath.  And chaos.  This is kinda like our program right now.  Chaos and blood everywhere.

CompleteLunacy

September 30th, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^

at this point is a statement from the president and/or board of regents saying they think DB handled this matter well and that they back him. 

As long as no such statement exists...I will hold out hope that they are backchanneling ways to get a smooth transition between firing DB and hiring his replacement.

I will hold out hope that the report yesterday that Bates and Manuel were contacted has any remote shred of truth to it, despite Bacon's assertions that it didn't happen. I will hold out hope that regardless, that signifies *something* is happening behind the scenes.

Brady Hoke is a dead man walking...that was inevitable. What is confusing though is how DB basically fed Brady to the wolves and yet he's still the coach as of today. Which leads me to believe maybe he didn't feed him to the wolves...intentionally...but that he was actively trying to get the statement to not include any mention of a concussion. Of course, that's 100% pure speculation, but I applaud the medical staff for seemingly standing up for what is right. Obfuscation to teh press for sports is a cute thing to quibble about when everything goes smoothly...but it looks completely and utterly absurd when shit hits the fan. The fact that Db cannot separate his corporate mindset from the proper collegiate athletics mindset and Michigan mindset here is, well, very damning. And like Hoke, it's a clusterfuck culmination of previous clusterfucks where DB has had teh exact same response of dumb move, retraction/denial/calling fans ignorant, and active sweeping it under the rug. There's a countless list. This Morris incident not only is the cherry on top, but the inevitible shitty ceiling to how far that strategy can go.

buckeyejonross

September 30th, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

I think you're 100% right RE: the statement and that fits with what Brian tweeted/commented early this morning. Brady got wink wink approval from Brandon to lie during his afternoon presser because Brandon was gonna get the doctors to budge on their statement. Well pizza boys are apparently easier to convince to lie than medical professionals because Brandon couldn't cover his end of the deal and now it looks like he sold Brady out. Good for the doctors for not falling victim to that level of corruption.


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Hannibal.

September 30th, 2014 at 11:47 AM ^

Technical truth vs. actual truth

And we have literally the only fan base in the country that bothers to make the distinction.  We are the only fan base in the country that actually applies deductive reasoning to what our coach and athletic director says.   Every other fan base in the country circles the wagons around their coaches and administratorsand and toes the party line without question.  OSU fans did it.  Auburn fans did it.  Oregon fans did it.  ND fans have done it with Brian Kelly.  And where the fuck was all of this outrage when Will Gholston went back into a game merely minutes after he was clearly knocked out cold on the field and his coach later lied and said it was a "stinger"?  How does anyone not get insulted by that?  How in God's name does that get swept under the rug? 

Welcome to Michigan, the only university in the world that can get placed on probation for not counting our stretching hours properly.  We are now the only university who has gotten signficant scrutiny for putting a concussed player back into a game.  At least this time it will help us get rid of some clowns who need to go anyway, but Jesus fucking Christ this sport is so broken. 

Hannibal.

September 30th, 2014 at 1:31 PM ^

Bullshit.  The OSU fan base is still universally behind Tressel and loves him.  There isn't an OSU fan out there who isn't insisting that Tressel's only violation was neglicting to forward an e-mail about a few free tattoos.  The NCAA had to step in when your initial self "punishment" was Tressel getting forced to watch a few games from the pressbox.  I have yet to meet a single OSU fan who has come to grips with the obvious truth that Tressel ran a dirty, payola-driven program. 

If Michigan had adopted a "we won't admit it until you prove it" type defensive posture with the Fab Five, our Final Four banners would probably still be hanging up in Chrysler Arena. 

buckeyejonross

September 30th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^

Just because I love and support Jim Tressel doesn't mean I didn't think he was lying about what he knew in January of 2011 at the press conference. I understand why Brady Hoke is getting slammed right now. But if Brady Hoke had Jim Tressel's history, Michigan fans would still love him while admitting he made a mistake. Jim Tressel screwed up and deserved to be fired. That doesn't mean I listen to PR spin from Gene Smith and Co. and believe it. You're painting with a wide brush and ignoring the fact people can lie and be forgiven.

Nitro

September 30th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^

Brandon may have decided to grab the wheel, but Hoke had already thrown himself under the bus.  I don't believe for one second that Hoke didn't recognize Morris was dizzied and staggering after that hit.  Hoke had already exhibited he was too stubborn to remove Morris when he should have earlier in the game (after it was clear Morris was ineffective and injured) because he didn't want to appear like he was admitting a mistake with his QB decision.  The decision to leave him in after the concussion shows just how insane Hoke's stubborness was.  Hoke has a dangerous, toxic personality disorder.

Token_sparty

September 30th, 2014 at 11:51 AM ^

Hoke because this isn't the first time his MANBALL! proclivities have put his QB in the crosshairs (leaving Devin Gardner in after he broke his foot in the third quarter of the OSU game.  I simply do not believe that he didn't see the hit or the aftermath.  I would've been perfectly happy to see him with a lifetime contract before Saturday but Shane Morris could have suffered permanent injury on his watch, and it's simply unacceptable.

Brandon because he's quick to lead from the front when things are going well but hides when things aren't- skywriting, RAWK MUSIK, student seating changes, need I go on?  There's no way Hoke should have been allowed to go into that presser yesterday still believing that Morris hadn't been concussed.  Surely, by that time it was known.  Instead, DB puts out this chickenshit press release at 1am.  Whatever dude.  Meetings.

Alton

September 30th, 2014 at 11:58 AM ^

In June 1973, Jeb Magruder (head of Nixon's 1972 campaign) was testifying to a Senate committee about the Watergate break-in, and this exchange happened:

SENATOR:  When was it decided that there would be a cover-up?

MAGRUDER:  We never considered that there wouldn't be a cover-up.

So, 40 years later, here is the same gap in worldview being played out once again.  People not being able to comprehend that the athletic department would behave this way, and the athletic department not being able to comprehend that there is any other way to behave.