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Brian

9/13/2014 – Michigan 34, Miami (Not That Miami) 10 – 2-1

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Jake Ryan did a good job of not blowing up Hendrix for penalties [Eric Upchurch]

Michigan Stadium was a roomy place on Saturday, somewhat full of cranky people waiting for an opportunity to vent their ire. They held their fire after a Gardner interception; they held their fire when Michigan was tied 10-10 with a team that hadn't won a game since 2012 midway through the second quarter.

This was a bit of a surprise. Hell, the 1997 team(!) got booed at halftime of their game against Iowa when they went into the locker room down 21-7. (This was definitely performance-related, exacerbated by a late Tim Dwight punt return touchdown. The tenor of the boo was WE KNOW YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS LET'S GOOOO and when they came out of the locker room the corresponding cheer was much louder than it usually is. But damn we used to have some expectations.)

In 2014, after seven years of mostly unrelenting failure, on the heels of a humiliating shutout in the Last Notre Dame Game, I was expecting more audible grumbles. Michigan fans held off, possibly too stunned by last week to do anything but meekly absorb events in front of them.

Then Michigan took a delay of game penalty (after a timeout!) and decided to punt from the Miami 37 with a minute left in the half. This was pure coaching malpractice that reminded a grumbly Michigan Stadium of last year's Penn State game. The boos rained down. It was loud. It was grumbly. It was statistically accurate.

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As the game rolled along and Michigan proved themselves about as superior as you'd think they should be, this game receded from the hateful constellation of lower-level matchups that turned into stomach-churning wins or even losses.

When you end up giving up fewer than 200 yards to an opposing offense you've established that they are very bad and you are not. Eventually Michigan's ground game kicked in and put up similar YOU ARE BAD numbers. Erase some pretty random turnovers (deflected pass at the line, redshirt freshman pop-up kickoff fumble) and this is 45-0 or thereabouts.

I know you don't believe turnovers are random, person on the internet who I am anticipating a "LOL" comment from, but even you have to admit that when a throw goes from probably on target to directly in the chest of an opposing player because it glances off a fingertip that's just life giving you the middle finger, and not—oh you just said MAKE PLAYS in seriousness on the radio nevermind this sentence. Players make plays. Etc.

Anyway: in retrospect I am not stressing about this game.

I was in the second quarter, like everyone else, and while I didn't actually boo—I am in the too-shocked-to-do-anything club—I agreed with it. What's more, I deeply appreciated that the people still mad enough to let someone know about it waited for  the perfect moment.

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When Pat Fitzgerald was asked about Northwestern fans being upset in the aftermath of the Wildcats' 0-2 start, he responded thusly.

"No shit."

This is a press conference answer to get behind. It is brief, quotable, and addresses the situation. Fitzgerald is not surprised that fans are upset; he is upset (he called the team "an embarrassment to anyone that ever put on the purple and white"); fans should be too.

When Brady Hoke was asked an open-ended question about his message to the fans, he said this:

As far as the fans that watch from the outside and see some of the similar issues that they saw last season, what would you say to them and how concerning is it as a coaching staff?

"If they’re truly fans they'll believe in these kids and what they've done and the hard work that they've put in. If they’re not, they won't."

To the great misfortune of someone whose words are repeated verbatim on the internet, he would later claim to be misquoted. At least he has been told that knocking the fans who pay his salary and are currently leaning towards "tar and feather" over "put FOR SALE signs on front lawn" is not great, Bob.

But he has succumbed to the post-9/11 Godwin's Law: eventually someone in charge of the troops is going to tell you to support the troops, because he thinks that's the best argument he's got left. You think knocking over tinpot dictators halfway across the world with no real hope of installing anything that won't collapse the minute you leave is a bad idea? Support the troops, buddy. Why don't you support the troops?

So kudos to Michigan Stadium for holding its fire until the guy on the sideline with the timeout blundered his way into a fourth and eleven punt that went into the endzone on the fly. It was 1000% clear who was and was not supported at that moment.

Michigan is at least tolerant of the troops even when they're struggling against Not That Miami. Michigan is pissed off at the guys in charge. No amount of deflection will hide that fact.

Highlights

Awards

brady-hoke-epic-double-point_thumb_31[2]Brady Hoke Epic Double Points Of The Week. #1 is Derrick Green, who was often the recipient of gaping holes but hit them and even made some yards himself.

#2 is Jourdan Lewis, who turned in excellent coverage all day and came up with an excellent interception.

#3 is Brennen Beyer, because it is impossible to really distinguish between the various guys whipping up on Miami's OL but Beyer got a sack.

Honorable mention:

Epic Double Point Standings.

6: Devin Funchess (#1, APP, #1 ND)
3: Derrick Green(#1 MIA)
2: Devin Gardner (#2, APP), Willie Henry (#2 ND), Jourdan Lewis (#2 MIA)
1: Ryan Glasgow (#3, ND), Brennen Beyer(#3 MIA)
0.5: Kyle Kalis (T3, APP), Ben Braden (T3, APP)

Brady Hoke Epic Double Fist-Pump Of The Week.

For the single individual best moment.

This was a one yard run but let us sit and savor the fact that even against a terrible defense Michigan had a touchdown that looked like this.

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[Upchurch]

Honorable mention: Jake Butt shakes free for a fake screen(!) touchdown, something we haven't seen since Hoke's arrival. Jourdan Lewis runs a guy's fade for him, picks off a ball thrown too far inside. Dennis Norfleet and the KO unit execute a right-sided return on a kick to the left out to the 50. Derrick Green breaks backside and breaks a tackle for a 20-yard gain.

Epic Double Fist-Pumps Past.

AppSt: Derrick Green rumbles for 60 yards.
ND: Nothing.
MIA: Derrick Green scores a goal line touchdown without being so much as touched.

imageMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Worst. Event. Ever. This Week.

Devin Funchess standing on the sideline because Michigan threw him a bubble screen halfway through the fourth quarter of a 31-0 game.

Honorable mention: Delay of game ack ack ack, Gardner interception (deflected, FWIW), kickoff mishap, Darboh fumble, various early runs that didn't go anywhere.

PREVIOUS EPBs

AppSt: Devin Gardner dares to throw an incomplete pass.
ND: Countess nowhere to be found on fourth and three.
Miami: You did what to Funchess now when?

[After the JUMP: getting it together, strangling the opposing offense, and goodbye gun.]

Offense

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[Upchurch]

It came together. Things were grumbly and grim early with Michigan pounding its head against the pillowy soft wall that is the Miami defense with little success, but for whatever reason they got it straightened out on a grinding second quarter drive that plowed them back to the lead, and from there they put together a day that is about on par with reasonable expectations: 6.1 yards a carry.

Michigan couldn't get six yards a carry against anyone last year; hell, in the third game of last season Fitz Toussaint could only manage 71 yards on 19 carries, 3.7 a pop. Akron would go on to finish 54th in the country in that department, decent for a MAC team. Michigan was on average worse than those MAC teams at running on the Zips, and that's with Gardner chipping in 103 on ten carries.

So while it was pretty stupid for about 30 minutes there, by the end things looked about right. The highlights above feature a lot of the offensive line mashing guys yards off the ball, and I won't be surprised to find some missed holes or a Miami tweak that had Michigan confused early when I look at the tape.

Green bounceback. After a torches-and-pitchforks kind of outing against Notre Dame, Derrick Green took a lot more of the large holes provided him and even obeyed Mike Valenti's command to MAKE PLAYS on a second-half cutback that saw him run through a defensive back's tackle to pick up a chunk.

That play was not blocked particularly well; Green went and got those yards himself. Those are the first he's earned by himself in a winged helmet aside from the odd  yard or three he's plowed out after contact.

It's a start.

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[Upchurch]

Darboh steps forward. In Funchess's absence it was Amara Darboh emerging into the top target, with almost half of Michigan's 13 catches including the self-troll touchdown above on which a cornerback in press coverage with inside leverage barely even touched Darboh before giving up that leverage. Hooray touchdown! Boo reminding me of last week.

Darboh looked pretty good, sure handed and athletic enough. Miami is obviously not much of a test in that latter department.

Goodbye, Norfleet. Hope to see you again before the bowl. Norfleet disappeared from the gameplan, taking one 21-yard end-around and IIRC not even getting a target otherwise. That's frustrating. When your only touches other than fair-caught or doomed punts are a 21 yard run and a kickoff return out to the 50, you should be getting more looks.

We've yet to see Norfleet act as a real live receiver downfield except on the drive at the end of the first half against ND, where he got open twice. It seems like it would be really hard to stick with him on option routes underneath, and then he is going to be able to get you some YAC.

Someone show Michigan tape of Steve Breaston.

Goodbye, shotgun. After a game in which Michigan had something like eight under-center snaps not dictated by field position or short yardage, Michigan went under center far more against Miami. Probably more than 50%.

This was in no way a departure as radical as the thousands embarked upon by Borges last year—they're still a one-back, inside-zone focused offense. It's still a little odd. Are they repping the under-center stuff only against tomato cans because they don't have confidence in it yet? Or is it because there's an offense for big games you would like to win and one for This Is Michigan purposes? Or did they decide to de-emphasize the gun after getting shut out?

I don't know. Time will tell.

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Hello Butts. The Butt touchdown was excellent in many ways. It provided breathing room that Michigan needed, it signaled that Butt was just about full-go after his ACL surgery, and it was blitheringly wide open as Michigan successfully faked a wide receiver screen and went over the top.

Did we ever see that under Borges? I don't think so. The number of times Michigan's play design busted a guy wide open was so much lower than it was during the QB oh noes pop pass phase under Rodriguez that it boggled the mind. Funchess got singled on a linebacker in last year's Penn State game, that's one. It's hard to think of others that weren't massive coverage busts that had little to do with the OC. I mean, it's not like Notre Dame was shocked by the Gallon wheel route in 2011. They just blew it.

Anyway: I like that Michigan is making teams defend the whole field and defend the perimeter both short and long. The "long" is still mostly hypothetical but they did try a couple fake-bubble-to-downfield-ish against Notre Dame that didn't go so well.

The next stop for Butt should be replacing Kerridge on a lot of those plays where Michigan splits him out wide. Butt can be a matchup issue on the outside; Kerridge just signals that the defense is in zone.

Also:

Meanwhile, Butt threw up three goggles after his touchdown. Stauskas swag welcome anywhere it shows up.

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This was pretty, but not complete [Upchurch]

Can a brother get some help out here? Shane Morris came in and delivered two perfect downfield darts, neither of which got brought in. This strike to Chesson in the endzone was raked out by the defensive back, which will happen. Heitzman flat dropped a 25-yarder. I know the ball spins the other way but cumong man. Men.

Morris showed that he can be a reasonable threat running the ball. He's more Connor Shaw than Denard, but that's a nice option to have that your artillery piece types don't bring.

Minor one-back complaint. Feels like Michigan should still be deploying an honest to god fullback on short yardage. Michigan got snowed under by penetration once in a fashion that having Kerridge in the backfield may have prevented. I know they have to defend more gaps if you spread 'em out across the line but when it's short yardage the equation changes to make the fullback a better option.

Defense

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[Upchurch]

No problems here. Michigan did what you would expect them to do against a team like Miami, giving up the odd first down here and there and little else. If not for two short fields set up by the Gardner interception and the kickoff mishap Michigan likely shuts Miami out; for the game they gave up under 200 yards of offense.

Even when they did cede first downs it was often a "life happens" kind of event: one particular 20-yard chunk came with 1) Frank Clark breathing down Hendrix's neck, 2) Jabrill Peppers grabbing at the arm of the receiver and 3) Jeremy Clark coming in to bash the guy as soon as he caught it. Okay. If the offense does everything perfectly you can't stop it.

Other than that and the rollout followed by an out first down that everyone always gets Michigan was as good as can be expected.

I should mention that Miami helped things out considerably by being a disheveled mess: false start, delay of game, false start, delay of game, some other penalty for variety. Part of the fan meltdown was that for a good chunk of the second quarter it was unclear if Michigan was any better organized than the goons opposite them.

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Hello. [Upchurch]

That didn't take long. Jabrill Peppers spent most of his playing time at boundary corner, rolled up to the line and playing mean ol' press coverage. This went very well; receivers got the odd bit of separation only and Peppers was able to jam guys into the sideline repeatedly. He split time there with Lewis, and as the season goes along it seems likely that he'll lock down that spot.

That shift saw a number of formations with Countess back at the nickel spot he is familiar with, once again leaving Mattison to sigh and scrap his hybrid space player plans. At least putting Peppers to the boundary allows him to remain part of the blitzing plans; one of Miami's life-happens plays was a pretty back-shoulder fade completed on Jeremy Clark after Peppers was sent on a blitz.

Meanwhile, Countess at nickel is something Michigan knows and does well with. When Taylor gets back it'll be interesting to see what happens; I imagine Countess goes back to full-time nickel with Lewis and Taylor mostly to the field as Peppers comes into his authorita.

Ready the order of St. Kovacs. We'll have to wait until midseason but three games in there is no indication that Ryan Glasgow is in any hurry to cede his starting job. On the first play of this game he ripped his way to the tailback on an interior run; Miami spluttered its way to 1.4 yards a carry with Glasgow carrying the bulk of the NT load. I want to see him against Minnesota and MSU power running outfits before declaring him just plain good, but Heininger Certainty Principle and all that.

On the snaps I was watching him he looked just as good as you would expect a guy coming off that ND game to play.

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This x10 per game [Upchurch]

Clark is okay you guys. The box score once again does not think Frank Clark did much—three tackles, a QB hurry—but I am telling you that tackles are having a very hard time blocking him and he's going to have a game coming up here where he spends a lot of it sitting on the quarterback's head.

Once Michigan gets their coverage figured out and the defensive tackles get a little more push, a little more lane responsibility, those pressures from Clark will start turning into big plays.

Check complaint reprise. A complaint as traditional as the one about the spread punt: it bugs me when Michigan tips a blitz against hurry-up-and-check offenses, sees the offense check in response to that tip, and then runs the blitz anyway. I don't think I saw Michigan check to something else once when this happened, and the blitzes were for the most part easily picked up. (IIRC there was one on which Michigan got through anyway.) Doesn't matter against Miami. Against other teams…

Michigan shouldn't be checking every time this happens, but they should be doing it at least 30-40% of the time so that there's some uncertainty about what Michigan is throwing at you.

Miscellaneous

Special K Dope Beat Of The Week. "Cherry Pie," third quarter. Bringing the Déjà Vu playlist to Michigan Stadium is a little too on the nose in re: tawdry defilement even for the guy who played that Flo Rida song about beejers, know what I'm sayin'?

WE FORGOT HOW TO DO IT. Did we even do the Go… Blue cheer last year? I don't remember doing so because we have to get Candi up to the main stage during commercial breaks now. I may be forgetting because I look at my phone a lot these days in an attempt to not pay attention to the dope beats of the week. Anyway, we tried it against Miami… and we screwed it up.

The way it works: half of stadium is shown signs that say "GO". Other half shown signs that say "BLUE." They alternate. Often there is pointing back and forth. This is not very hard and we have lost even this, as the cheerleaders just showed everybody GO and then BLUE.

1) Have we really lost so much institutional memory that even the freakin' cheerleaders don't have someone around who can say "do it like this because this is how we have done it since Yost"?

2) One of the side-effects of constant very loud music is to disincentivize anyone else from doing something interesting. The students used to chant Go… Blue at each other at various points and now they mostly stand around, doing nothing, because every available moment of space is filled.

It's an apathy machine. Remember the Saddest Tailgate Ever? They've started a series about life in the student section, and their latest entry reminds you of a fact that's shocking once you hear it:

Cow bell? Depressingly not yet this season. Other students reading this: we must fix this if nothing else

There's no cowbell! They've gone full Penn State: suck all the oxygen out of the stadium and watch your niche stuff—the stuff that matters—die. These people could not be worse for Michigan's long term.

For a guy who constantly says the only thing that will ever get students back is cell reception he doesn't seem to be doing anything about it. I got zero reception until the second half when an already kind of empty Michigan Stadium started downsizing in earnest; in contrast my reception at ND was near-flawless. If you actually believe the words you are saying about kids and their screens, why has coverage gone backwards from last year when there was spotty-but-okay wifi for most of the year?

I know for a fact that Michigan is way behind on this. For one, I've had great reception at ND and Penn State. For two, I know that when the NHL was coming in for the Winter Classic they were appalled by the coverage at Michigan and were trying to badger the athletic department into improvements. This is not an area where Michigan is paving the way for thought leaders of tomorrow.

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Best And Worst:

Best:  Depth at Wide Receiver or
Worst:  Is That Depth Only Interchangeable?

It was great to see guys like Darboh, Chesson, and even a brief appearance by Canteen get some focus in a passing attack that still seems to be figuring out what to do with the players available.  Darboh clearly established himself as the starter across from Funchess, and he looked sufficiently athletic enough to punish teams who single-cover him, at least with the ball in his hands (that first fumble was due as much to ball security as a good tackle by Miami).  Chesson couldn't pull in a gorgeous pass from Morris in the endzone when the MU corner swiped his arm, and he was the intended receiver who got crunched on Devin's tipped INT, but he his holding off some decent players for his spot and is also contributing on special teams.  Norfleet didn't catch a pass but had a great kickoff return to start the game and his 21-yard run on 1st down in the 3rd quarter gave Michigan great field position that they ultimately squandered.  Even Jungle Beats got in on the action, and looked like he could be a playmaker as the season progresses.

At the same time, it was a bit disheartening to see the passing offense remain a bit stagnant, at least in terms of downfield threats.  Darboh averaged a shade over 14.5 yards per catch, and that included a 26-yarder that featured quite a bit yac tacked onto a short slant/crossing route.  The longest completion of the day was on Butt's TD, which required absolutely every Miami player to not keep their eyes on a big Butt as it passed them by.

Inside The Box Score:

I think there was a sequence of plays where we may have turned the corner on this running game and left 2013 in the rear-view mirror. With 7:24 to go in the 2nd, Michigan was tied 10-10 with Not that Miami. A pass to Darboh brought the ball to Miami's 40 yard line. After that, Gardner was sacked for a 7 yard loss. I was thinking, "seriously?" My hope is that what happened next is the harbinger of good things to come.
- Green, Derrick rush for 27 yards...
- Green, Derrick rush for 11 yards...
- Green, Derrick rush for 8 yards...
- Green, Derrick rush for 1 yard to the MU0, TOUCHDOWN
Run game established, at least against the Miamis of the world.

More Saddest Tailgate Ever

Game day in Ann Arbor is an experience steeped in tradition. Nevertheless, the stadium experience, and with it the student section experience, has necessarily evolved, even just within my 6+ years in the NW corner. So to kick things off, here are some rapid fire questions/answers:

Kegs? No

Flasks? Yup, though I will add that, at least in the lower sections, most students appear to have gotten less tolerant of drinking and drunkenness from other students. If you’re being positive and happy drunk, great we love you. If you’re incessantly bitching about the team, complaining about the players, generally being negative and happen to stumble into me, I’m getting event staff. And I wouldn’t be the only one.

Marshmallows? Uhh honestly I haven’t seen this in any season I’ve been there…

Beach balls? Have seen them recently, didn’t today.

Cow bell? Depressingly not yet this season. Other students reading this: we must fix this if nothing else

Travelling band? Nope (and I don’t think they have for a year or so but I’m not sure). Definitely remember being entertained by that in years past

We have a mini-UFR on Shane's throws that got dropped, and can I interest you in the state of the Big Ten? No? Right, silly of me to even suggest so.

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Maize and Blue Nation:

At times...like that horrible 5 minute stretch in the second quarter, yes it was ugly...very ugly. But in the second half, when it mattered most Michigan responded. Regardless of what the box score tells us, this Michigan team is still very inconsistent. Maybe it's a product of playing a bad team...maybe a little Notre Dame hangover...poor coaching...poor preparation...maybe its a combination of everything.

Or maybe football is just a weird sport sometimes and things don't always go the way you want. When you have a 2nd quarter like Michigan did, its easy to second guess everything and everyone.

Touch The Banner:

I like Michigan's corners. Jabrill Peppers (3 tackles) played quite a bit on the outside, and while he looked raw in some aspects of coverage, he clearly has the speed, strength, and hips to be a very good corner. It's just a matter of time with him. Jourdan Lewis (1 interception) also looked like a good man coverage guy, which we already knew. They both seemed to get a little more playing time than Blake Countess, although I could be wrong about that. Once Raymon Taylor comes back, I think Michigan will be in good shape. Miami quarterback Andrew Hendrix was completing 48% of his passes but for 338 yards/game coming into this one, and he finished 12/26 for 165 yards, 1 touchdown, and 1 pick.

Also awards.

Sap's Decals:

OFFENSIVE LINE – Kind of stepping out on a limb here but, Derrick Green does not run for 137 yards and 2 TDs without some holes being created by the O-Line.  Derrick Green does not look like High School Derrick Green without the Big Uglies getting it done up front.

I realize the opponent was a MAC school that hadn’t won a game in almost 2 years, but I saw signs of progress by the Hosses in the trenches.  I had a feeling this line would show some addition by subtraction, and now that the 2 senior tackles have left, this unit is starting to gel.  Again, I’m not talking B1G Championship here – just saying that when you gain over 450 yards of offense, the guys up front are something right. Doing it in September is one thing.  Getting it done in November is another.

MVictors:

Not from THERE.  Miami band displayed a “NOT COLUMBUS” banner on the opening number before playing THE VICTORS.  Pandering?  Guilty.  Do I Love it?  Guilty.

Capacity – Two minutes before kickoff, sparse in the student section and the unsold whatever-we-call-it section just north of the students:Sparse

Hoover Street Rag:

On some level, it feels gauche to complain about a 24 point win over a MAC school.  Even one that has now lost nineteen games in a row.  But I think that there is a lesson in Saturday.  It didn't come on the punt debacle at the end of the second quarter.  It didn't come on the special teams meltdown in the middle of the second quarter.  It came at half time.

Watching the Michigan band, and the Michigan choirs, and the flyover, and the Miami band, and well, everything else that was happening simultaneously, my wife turned to me and said "It's like they're trying too hard."  Welcome to the last three years of Michigan football.

Hoke as forthcoming as usual on Funchess injury. 14 ejected, 4 arrested. Braylon Edwards has reputation for being controversial and that's probably why this take is being regarded as hot:

"It's year four, people want to see results in year four. The first couple years they'll give you excuses ... but in year four, you've got your own guys, your own players, your own staff and we want to see the results of your program," Edwards said. "A lot of pressure is on Brady to win three games. He lost one. He lost one of the three and there's a lot of pressure on him to win the other two."

I just think it's accurate.

When Michigan needs him most, they turned to Derrick Green. Or Jake Butt. Or nobody since "needs him most" is definitely not a construction we want to use for Miami (Not That Miami).

I object to this sentence in John Niyo's column:

This is what you get when you’re marketed as an elite team but playing like a generic brand.

Michigan is marketed as a generic brand so hard yo.

Turnovers are bad. Oh look someone's still linking Drew Sharp like it's 2005. More MNBN takes. Offense every snap.

Comments

Reader71

September 15th, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^

You don't check the clock to see if the refs are screwing up, you check the clock just to see how much time you have. Its a natural thing. That no one checked the clock at any point before the flag is just weird. I'm not saying they should have any suspicion that there was no time left, but they should have at least made a cursory glance as the team walked out on the field, or as they approached the line, or whatever. Maybe I'm just not normal, but I'm always checking the clock, even if I know for sure that we have enough time to get the play off.

reshp1

September 15th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

The QB should glance at the clock on every down and someone, usually a grad assistant should be assigned to watch it on the sidelines. Given Michigan's perpetual struggle to get plays off in time, it's even more shocking that the coaches were caught off guard by it. I agree that the refs didn't follow normal procedure in restarting the clock, but it's still a bad job all around when some 100+ people on the michigan sideline all fail to notice the clock running out.

El Jeffe

September 15th, 2014 at 1:17 PM ^

Kind of agree, but then it was 4th and 6 from the 37. With 1 minute left. Seems like you could still maybe go for it instead of taking another DOG penalty and then punting directly into the end zone. Not that the coaches instructed Hagerup to do that, but still...

Anyway, I wouldn't have booed had I been there because I'm not a booer (or a boor, or a Boer), but watching on TV I did have that sinking "oh right, we have THAT kind of coach instead of the kind of coach who will ride a white steed though the gates of hell to help our boys get the win" kind of feeling.

unWavering

September 15th, 2014 at 1:23 PM ^

Hoke has been very aggressive in the past, and it has both paid off and not worked out. In this case, once it was 4th and 6, I agreed with the decision to punt. You have the lead, are moving the ball with ease, and your defense is dominating aside from letting in scores on short field situations. Just let it play out in the second half, no reason to go for it.

TIMMMAAY

September 15th, 2014 at 8:29 PM ^

First, you should (and Hoke should) consider the fact that he really, really needs the fanbase to get behind him in any way possible. He needs that pretty badly right now. Given the context of the game situation, and the fact that (as you say, we were dominating them defensively, and moving the ball at will(eh)) there was less than a minute remaining, and we were only up a score, he should have gone for it. If we failed NTM had a long field and IIRC, no timeouts remaining. Score, and the crowd (and millions at home) give a fist pump and celebrate our coach's big brass balls. Instead we got what we got. 

Should. Have. Gone. For. It. 

Reader71

September 15th, 2014 at 10:23 PM ^

Would the fans have applauded the game theory aspect if the team doesn't convert? I don't think so. They would just blame the play call. Also, no coach should ever do something based on what the fans would like. But yeah, I don't think going for it would have been a bad decision. I don't think the punt was a bad decision either.

Yeoman

September 15th, 2014 at 2:15 PM ^

...that the relevant distinction here might be between games against real teams that are likely to beat you vs. games against punching bags that you risk unnecessarily humiliating if things go right (or do I mean wrong?)? I don't remember any fourth-down goes against Eastern or UMass, either. The gloves stay on against the MAC and Sun Belt unless the other guys demonstrate themselves capable (which Miami clearly wasn't).

 

westwardwolverine

September 15th, 2014 at 2:26 PM ^

Yeah but at 17-10 after you just got pasted 31-0 by Notre Dame and after being taken to the wire by a MAC team that had won 1 game a year for a few seasons in a row last year, I'm not sure you get to decide who is a real team and who isn't at that point. 

I'm also thinking about the early 4th and 2 against Notre Dame that we kicked a field goal on. That was prime for sending an early message. 

Yeoman

September 15th, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^

We'd seen a half of football at that point, and 17-10 wasn't a fair reflection of the difference between the two teams. By that point against Akron I was thinking "these guys aren't nearly as bad as I thought." Not that they were good, but they were mid-level MAC at least. Miami isn't. They couldn't string two first downs, they had no big-play capability. They're an EMU-level punching bag and Hoke has no history of going on fourth-and-long against those teams. Neither does any other Michigan coach in my memory.

You might wish Brady Hoke were John Jenkins, but he isn't. If there's a continuing pattern of aggressive playcalling in these situations against good teams but it doesn't carry over against patsies, that's probably your answer, like it or not.

And the field goal's a different situation altogether. We're talking about punting or going from the 40-ish here, not whether you take points closer in.

westwardwolverine

September 15th, 2014 at 2:57 PM ^

Right. Here at Michigan where we routinely lose/almost lose to bad teams on a yearly basis, we should feel totally safe with a 17-10 lead after we bumbled around for a half. Makes perfect sense and if that is the attitude of the coaches (which I really do think match your attitude) then that explains why we looked so sloppy in what should have been a 35-0 at the half type game. 

As for the field goal attempt against Notre Dame, of course its a different situation. Its also a situation that the guy coaching in 2011 probably would have tried to attain a first down on. 

Edit: I don't really disagree with your assertion that Miami is a bad team and I never really thought we would lose. However, I also remember thinking we'd put away Akron last year and then suddenly its a game. I guess my point is, at this time, Brady Hoke and Michigan shouldn't be thinking of any opponent as a cupcake. 

Yinka Double Dare

September 15th, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^

Yeah, that's half the boos. The first delay of game was a horrid error, but you then have 4th and 6 at the 37 with not a lot of time left against a bad team your defense has been wiping out when they aren't given the ball in Michigan's red zone already. And for some reason go Ferentz on it instead of going for it. 

reshp1

September 15th, 2014 at 2:14 PM ^

I agree we should have gone for it, but it's pretty unfair to say that Hoke isn't a coach that takes the initiative in those situations, because he's been consistently aggressive in those types of situations in the past. Every "controversial" decision he's made regarding going for it seems to be vindicated during the next week by Brian or the Mathlete according to the stats.

skurnie

September 15th, 2014 at 12:56 PM ^

Loudest cheer of the day, which Ace pointed out on Twitter, was for the Hendrix National Anthem/5-7 Halftime Flyovers immediately following the Timeout / Delay of Game / Punt into the End Zone. Maybe the Butt TD was louder. Maybe.

I will say the older folks in my section were startled by that electric guitar playing the National Anthem

MGoLesher

September 15th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^

As far as the "GO...BLUE" fiasco, I think that people are so confused because while the cheerleaders are holding the cards, there is BOTH words being shown on the video boards trying to be a que for the crowd. 

Zone Left

September 15th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^

Michigan has given up 631 yards of offense in 3 games. Sure, two of those teams are awful, but that's really good. The box scores say we blew out the two awful teams and played Notre Dame to a draw. 

The loss to ND really hurts our shot at 10 wins, given that MSU still looks really strong, but I'm a believer at this point. 

bstaub32

September 15th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^

It appeared that the delay of game out of the timeout was the referees fault. I know from the BTN broadcast that Nuss was losing his mind on the sideline over it. Did anyone see if that really was the case?

reshp1

September 15th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^

The best I could tell was this:

Nussmeier was in the middle of a fiery speech to the offense during the TO.

The official came over and blew the whistle to signal the end of the TO and the clock started running immediately.

Nussmeier continued to talk for about 5-10 seconds before sending in the team to the field and then after that, gave the play to Gardner.

We got out of the huddle actually ok, but had a big motion shift that took too long.

Gardner then gave a hard-count to try and draw the defense offsides and the clock ran out.

 

So, while the clock probably got started earlier than the coaches were expecting and probably faster than typically happens, it was pretty much on the coaches, particularly Nuss for taking too long. Then, no one, not Gardner, not Hoke, not an GA who's assigned to watch the play clock, noticed the time winding down. We actually had time to get the play off, but were trying to draw Miami offsides.

It was a hollistic failure of game management from everyone on Michigan, with maybe a small amount of blame owed to the refs.

bronxblue

September 15th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^

the fans comment is becoming the biggest non issue that keeps getting traction since the last meaningless discussion point the internet fixates on. Hoke basically said don't attack the players. I know everyone wants to read more into it, but that's about it. I'm sure he's well aware that the fans are not happy, but as we've learned lots of grown-ass people still love to attack college athletes, and it felt like Hoke was speaking to those people.

mgobaran

September 15th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^

I agree 100%. It seemed his statement was aimed at people taking shots at DG and others on social media. It is pretty clear Brady Hoke is not the best guy at getting his point across thru the media. And honestly, coaches and players should stop caring about what people say on social media, because it is only getting worse and worse, but for whatever reason Hoke wanted to comment on it and it back fired.

He wants the fans to support his players. What is wrong with that? 

TIMMMAAY

September 15th, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^

Social media was never mentioned, either by Hoke, or in the preceding questions. I don't get why people keep trying to paint his comment with this narrative. He was asked a very direct question, and that was his answer. He was deflecting, now either he realizes his mistake, or someone pointed out to him the importance of "true fans". 

And lets not forget his "fickle" comment last year. 

mgobaran

September 15th, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^

I'm not trying to paint the comment with this narrative. It is just the only place people could vigorously attack players who just finished an away game would be on social media.

Personally I think Hoke has a little G.W. Bush in him. Where he says really dumb shit he doesn't entirely mean to come out the way he says it. Not a PR pro that guy. So then he goes into these Fort S. caccoons. I have no data to back me up outside the fact that I think Hoke is a good guy, and he wouldn't intentionally want to hurt or chase away his fan base. I think he is just really bad at not doing that. 

I think the fickle comment was the same way. Some people suck at getting their point across (I am the worst person I know at this, and am probably just sympathetic towards him). 

 

wile_e8

September 15th, 2014 at 1:38 PM ^

The problem isn't that he was addressing people attacking the players, the problem is that he was doing it in response to a question about people unhappy with the coaching staff. Instead of addressing the question he deflected it and made it sound like anyone unhappy with the coaching staff wasn't supporting the troops was attacking the players. Not attacking the players is a good sentiment supported by any rational fan, but it in no way answers questions about people upset with the leadership.