There is absolutely no way. You may have heard that there were a couple of subpar seasons at the end of the previous decade and attendance remained as strong as ever.
chance of bowl: 13.6%
If you aren't already, get used to this, and I wouldn't blame the students.
In news that will come as a shock to many, charging students $295 for a home schedule in which the best game is against Penn State and the race for second is between Indiana, Minnesota, and Maryland doesn't go so well—especially a year removed from alienating much of the student fanbase with an unpopular, poorly implemented, and subsequently scrapped general admissions plan.
The deadline for renewing student tickets came and went on Tuesday, and in years past there's never, to my knowledge, been a need to extend the deadline. Student/poster bdsisme noted an email went out today urging some students to renew their tickets for the fifth time—in the three years prior, according to him, there'd been just four combined emails of that nature, which is consistent with how it was when I was in school ('06-'10)—and offering an extension to "Michigan Football SuperFans":
Thank you for being a Michigan Football SuperFan! According to our scanned data, you attended 5 or more home football games on-time last season (prior to or at kickoff). As a result, you have been granted SuperFan priority for the 2014 season.
Earlier this week (Tuesday, April 15) was the deadline to renew your season tickets for the 2014 season. However, since you have proven your loyalty this past season, we would like to offer a one-time extension of the season ticket renewal deadline in order for you to continue your devotion as a Michigan Football Superfan.
We know you are busy closing out the Spring semester and may have questions regarding the new seating policy for the 2014 season. By extending the renewal deadline to Friday, April 25, we hope you are now able to guarantee your seat as a Michigan Football Student Season Ticket Holder.
How magnanimous of them.
There is absolutely no way. You may have heard that there were a couple of subpar seasons at the end of the previous decade and attendance remained as strong as ever.
sounds hopeful. Right on, Brother.
I used to have to hold as extras. I guess one fans' cloud is strormy and anothers has a silver lining perfect. Slim that student section way down.
Does anyone have a history of ticket prices over the past 20 years or so? Just curious - I have no idea how much I paid in the early-mid 90s.
I can't remember specifically, but I seem to recall paying something right around $100 for student season tickets in 2007. (The numbers $86 and $105 stick in my head by not sure if either is correct).
But that was before quantitative easing. /s
Just went and found a stack of my old ticket stubs. Can't find a lot of mine from the years in between (and I was in the band for a good stretch of it), but per game:
Tommy: A lot of people go to college for 8 years
Richard: yeah, they're called doctors
sure does SUCK. Way to go Dave.
IF revenue is affected a lot of things suddenly will be up for review. Money talks. UM football is the cash cow for the athletic department.
That said I still think there is a hefty waiting list for normal tickets, so worst case they reduce the size of student section and expand the regular seats. But who knows what sort of apathy the product on the field has produced in the regular section. I don't think it would be an issue anytime soon but if this sort of mediocre on field product continues for 4-5 years yes we will have issues.
Is there really a waiting list? I assumed there wasn't based on all of the "Buy two games" ticket package emails I received last year.
Pretty sure Brian posted last year that everyone who was on the waiting list had an opportunity to purchase tickets, ie - no more waiting list. As some of the posters who have been season tickets but decided not to renew have posted, they too have received emails indicating UM is extending the deadline to renew season tickets. That tells me the waiting list for season tickets is 0. If there were a waiting list the AD wouldn't be extending the deadline to renew season tickets, they'd just start offering the season tickets to the people on the waiting list.
I think that this touches upon a problem with Brandon's approach.
It has been said that Harvard treats its students as future donors. When I was at Michigan (and it seems still), this was far from the case, and believe it or not, recognized by many in the faculty.
To me, it seems that Brandon's approach is completely in line with current business practices - generate the maximum profit of current operations.
But the problem is that the student body under Brandon's tenure is going to tomorrow's donors. Many people donate to the university because of the fond memories they have of the time they spent there. Undoubtedly, football Saturdays have been a part of these memories.
Football games were a great time when I was a student because the cost was nominal and the athletic department's approach conveyed the fact that they wanted the students there and have a real good time. Everyone knew they could have charged more, but they chose not to. I am certain that the good will built up from this was returned in spades by future donations by those very students.
I think that Brandon's approach, short term, have paid dividends (like drastically cutting Research and Development), but long term will prove a disaster.
The pricing over-reach is going to be difficult to recover from for the 2015 season. In Brandon's would, it is very difficult to get customers back once you have lost them. The problem is, there is going to be fall out beyond the athletic department, and the consequences for the university as a whole.
Isn't this where the change in non-student ticket policy comes back to bite them (based on donations rather than waiting list).
In the old days, when season tickets were based on a 7+ year waiting list, there is no way you would cancel your season tickets even if that season or a couple of seasons were going to be crappy because you would not be able to get the tickets back for close to a decade.
But now that they are based on donation amount, what is to stop people from canceling this year, knowing that they have enough donation credits built up to just buy season tickets next year when the schedule is better.
Seems like the new policy makes the ability to cancel/re-up much easier and really hurts the sales in off years such as this.
Or am I missing something about the priority list/buying process?
that they would have to pay $500 to be on the season ticket interest list again.
Back in the (my) day, tickets sold themselves for a meager $75 for the season. We packed them in like sardines and there were never any empty seats. Two things need to happen: 1) prices need to go back to a realistic place. $295 my ass. 2) we need to play exciting football again which means a) the conference needs to get better (see Big Ten basketball) and b) we need to get better.
I know I'll get lambasted for this, but our fanbase bitches more than any in the country, I'd bet. Our team sucks, our schedules sucks, our athletic director sucks. You know what? Our fans suck. I used to rip on the West Coast fans when I moved out here because of how fair weather they all were. Now I see my team is just as bad.
I had the exact same feeling re: West Coast fans when I moved to LA in 2001. Maybe it is because I have been on the West Coast for so long now or because I am older, but I view our (UM's) fans differently than I did when I first graduated. When I have gone back for games I thought UM fans were fair weathery
Well, we suck. Want to pay extra to enjoy it?
Spare me. When I come to games I have to pay for a plane ticket, hotel rooms, and everything else that goes along with it.
And if I want an In-n-Out Double-Double Animal Style, I have to take a plane, hotel rooms, and everything else that goes along with it.
That there are a lot of people like me who do it, so it sounds silly when someone complains about paying 300 bucks for every game this year.
So because you are rich enough to fly in for a game, you can't understand why students, whose tuition has doubled in ten years, might not be able to justify this cost?
I'm sure Bill Gates could wonder why someone would fret over buying a Bugatti for $1 million when he gives away billions.
The athletic department has continued to enforce rules on its patrons while making huge ticket price hikes and replacing unique Michigan traditions with sky writing And rock music, which can be experienced at any other sports venue.
When I was a student - not that long ago - tickets were $115 / yr.
Oh - and one suggestion. Let students sell their tickets without validation. Why the hell shouldn't they be able to recover the cost if they so wish? Used to be that way when I was in school.
I got this email earlier and find it quite amusing that the AD thinks they can still entice me to buy tickets at this point. I first got here in '09 and am now a grad student, and all of the factors everyone is mentioning went into my decision to not buy season tickets. In '09 a student season ticket was $200. That's a 50% increase in half a decade. Ridiculous. The general admission thing was a complete fiasco and I simply don't trust the AD after all these spontaneous rule changes. And quite frankly the team has been awful the past two years. To think, I consider myself extremely lucky to have seen ONE win over OSU and ONE win over MSU in the time i've been here. The biggest factor though is probably the schedule. The marquee game is PSU? How thrilling. I do love going to the games though, so I would still have gotten tickets if it weren't for the fact that I know I'll be able to pick up a ticket for each game from another student for practically nothing at all.
I found this from 2001
Tickets were raised across the board- student tickets went UP from $13.50 to $17.50 a game. Prices had not been raised since 1996. So as recently as 2000 student prices were $13.50 or for a 7 game set = $94.50
That jumped to $122.50 in 2001
Today's equivalent is $42.14 for a 7 game set
That's a $200 price increase since 2000.... ~$28.50 per game.
Don't worry TItle 9 called and said to raise prices on women's sports for equality.
I'm gonna laugh so hard when we win a bunch of games this year, and all the entitled whiners who cancelled their season tickets are clamoring to get them back, and can't. This board represents a particularly fanatic, yet unrealistic, section of the fanbase whose opinions do not reflect Michigan fans as a whole.
Speaking forone of the group you hope to laugh at I can honestly say I 100% hope you get that chance. Nothing would please me more as an alum to have this team kick ass and go undefeated this year. I would be thrilled beyond belief to have the stands full to capacity and the long waiting list ofr season tickets restored due to the excellent product coach Hoke and company put on the field in 2014.
Here's to your wish coming true.
Honestly, I don't "expect" any better than what we've gotten, unlike many of the other posters here who are still convinced that this is just a temporary down period. Personally, I am quite used to Michigan football being crap. My sports conciousness dates back to the 2001 season. U-M has gone 2-11 in The Game since then. In the five years I've been a student here I've watched Sparty win the Big Ten twice and even win the Rose Bowl. Like MGrowOld, nothing would make me happier than to see U-M go undefeated. Even on the miniscually small chance that did happen though, the legendary games wouldn't be the ones being played at Michigan Stadium. The home slate is crap. The point is, I'm not willing to shell out $300 to watch a likely bad U-M team play a bunch of other bad teams.
And in the 13 seasons preceding your sports consciousness, we were 10-2-1 vs Ohio. Including upsets of a highly ranked buckeye team in 1993 and 1996.
I'm well aware of that. That's the way it was then. This is the way it is now. It might change soon. It might not. My point is that I don't expect the team to be any better than it is.
The season ticket holders I know haven't considered not renewing their season tickets. This blog is a bad sample of the overall opinion of season ticket holders. I tend to look at the positives. If enough people don't renew, ticket prices won't increase during this period. Also, I'll be able to get all my seats together exactly where I want.
Rather, he is a business school automaton who knows all about the technical aspects of a corporation, but little or nothing about how to actually run a business and not a corporation.
A good businessman would not have schedule Appy State, permitted this absurdly unbalanced schedule with MSU and OSU, and continued to gouge the fans despite the program bathing in a sea of mediocrity. If Michigan athletics were a comic book Canham would be Superman and Brandon Bizarro Superman.
Canham nailed the Bo hire. He took the one guy who could beat OSU and Woody at the time, with his former assistant. Brandon didnt have that luxury because Dantoni who was Tressels DC was already hired by sparty and he was the one guy who could beat OSU and Tressel
Another suggestion - TV timeouts are killing the game. I'd rather grab a cold one during the five minutes breaks. It's getting way out of hand.
I think Brian Cook would agree with you.
I'm not a student anymore and $295 would even cause me pause to think about for a student that's a lot of expendable income. I don't need to go to all the games. I can just pick one or two that I really want to attend and probably save $. The rest of the games I can watch in my favorite sports bar with my closest friends or in my case on my HDTV with BOSE surround sound.
Obviously the product on the field affects things but you are also competing with all the other venues to watch games. Brandon should think about upgrading the facility even more to create an environment that can compete. My guess is that this is the case across college football, my assumption based on the fact the NFL is dealing with this same issue.
My thoughts and GO BLUE!
There's also an energy that a game against ND, MSU, OSU brings that Maryland does not.
cult of euphoria by so many here when things don't go well for your university. It's not the schedule or Brandon. It's not that you have all the right answers and they're not listening to you as they should. It's the losing, and how those with weaker demand curves are opting out. You shouldn't gloat because this is a bad thing, and nothing you're proposing would change it. Only winning will change this, and everyone in charge of winning already cares more about winning than you do.
99% of us on this board love UM. We are simply pointing out things that can be improved. Some are pointing out why they do not purchase tickets anymore.
You don't think that if no one buys tickets they won't lower prices, or at least not raise them at outrageous rates?
You've made the point several times in different threads that you think people like me are somehow "happy" that things arent going well and for the life of me I dont understand why you think that. The fact that we are pissed off over shitty play, a crappy schedule and insane pricing doesnt make us happy in the least. It just means we've chosen a different path and are now electing to not purchase season tickets. I have yet to see even one person post that they are giving up on the team or the school - rather they are giving up on SEASON TICKETS and supporting Michigan does not madate one be a season ticket holder.
Can you point to any comment made by anybody that shows even a glimmer of joy about the state we are in? Remember, to give up one's season tickets one had to be buying them in the first place. Not exactly something a person would do if they didnt care deeply about the program. I think you are confusing the emotion over here. Cause as I read it - the ex-season ticket holders are anything but happy over the state of affairs right now.
If this were true Jim Harbaugh would be the coach of Michigan, they care, but egos get in the way most of the time.
will you get season tickets, you might be able to purchase multiple pairs together.
Michigan's athletic department sells a lot of single game seats on Stubhub these days leading up to the morning of the game. DB even pushed it himself in a student government town hall meeting a couple of weeks ago. This may be their way of taking advantage of varying price points based off of visitor performance that could fluctuate throughout the year in case a surprise ranked team comes in.
By increasing prices and donation requirements, they get more revenue immediately, and can still sell unsold seats at the drop of the hat at their potentially lower market price for those that think they're too expensive right now as mentioned above.
I think DB has set the team's won-loss record up as the scapegoat or golden goose for the team's short term revenue performance. What I think he's screwing up is remembering that he needs the current student body to buy tickets to the other 80,000 seats after they graduate.
I am a student. And I bought tickets. May the graduate students of the rich rod yrs live on. At least the team won't be horrible that's how I am looking at it
Michigan is a mens basketball and mens gymnnastics school now!
Don't you think a super fan would have tickets already?
Its well known that DB is a Dominoer, that's a competitive market with price points and expenses, typical business model but I guess the profit is around 10% of sales to the corporation or less.
The difference in M football is that the profit margin on football is probably like 90%+. I mean what does it really cost to put on a football game? The basic stadium was paid for in the 30s...and although there have been obvious upgrades, I'm betting those aren't still financed. We all know that the football program funds the rest of the other athletic programs except for MBB, which is admirable.
I really think Brandon is trying to put his stamp on Michigan as an empire builder, when you look at all the brick and mortar going into facilities for all the other sports, the push to acquire real estate, one can get a handle on all the costs that are being eaten now, and must sustain well into the future. It wouldn't surprise me that in my lifetime, if Briarwood was eventually relocated to the south side of 94 because the athletic department made them an offer they couldn't refuse. The endowments (etc) may allow the initial construction funding, but the FTEs who staff and service and maintain the facilities aren't free. The biggest gripe that I have is that Michigan loves to expound on tradition, tradition, tradition. But yet I think the tradition is being erased at a record pace. My guess is Yost won't be around for much longer than 20 years before its replaced with something modern and flashy. The "I create the future" meme is real if you ask me. I think Brandon got sucked up into the corporate ego that probably comes with the high-margin business, because it probably seemed like the sky was the limit a couple years back. I've seen him on the field and he seems to love being the center of attention. The sky may actually be the limit, if the team is turning around 11-win seasons with astonishing regularity.
I do find it sad that the student tradition is apparently broken. I went to every game for all 5 years I was a student. And so you might extrapolate this to the future graduates might not be such big football ticket buyers. Can the community fill in the gap? Its too early to tell. I have noticed a definite change as well, in the demeanor of the emails coming out of the Ath Dept in the last two years. Lots of "thank you" emails that didn't seem to be in effect before that. Maybe some of the shine on the Donald R. Shepherd plaque is starting to dull a bit. Even empire building can be tough on some days....
That said, I will always support the Team. I had a very tough time watching the RR years go by, admittedly. But I hope that Hoke has the skill and luck to become one of our legendary coaches, and to help mold and train the next one, too.
The basic stadium was paid for in the 30s...and although there have been obvious upgrades, I'm betting those aren't still financed.
Well, you're wrong. Per FY 2014 budget from June '13 (see p. 6 of PDF), under #15, "Debt service," there's about $9.7M going to "Stadium project" and "Stadium concrete."