was it all a crazy plot to get what he wanted? "A way to exceed expectations is to manage them [laughs]. We were in a situation where it was absolutely unclear what the ultimate decision was going to be and I wanted to make that known that it was unclear and the fan reaction was very helpful and very important."
Steven Threet to Transfer
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Hi. I'm back, and tired, and it's 3:30 AM but I've already slept seven hours today so, like, hi.
The Daily has confirmed the rampant internet rumor that Steven Threet was planning on a transfer:
"I have decided to transfer from the University of Michigan," Threet wrote in the statement. "I have requested and received my release. I do not yet know where I will continue my collegiate career, and have no further comment until that decision is made."
This is obviously not good for anything except my prediction that Tate Forcier would be the opening-day starter. For all Threet's faults he looked competent at times last year and could have been passable as a sophomore; Michigan is basically down to the two freshmen and then it's time to close your eyes, pick a walk-on, and pray.
So, yeah. Hooray for good news immediately upon returning.
THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE...
...PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT STEVEN THREET
...and by that, I mean helter-skelter, willy-nilly and putt-putt!
February 16th, 2009 at 10:22 PM
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what I want to know is...
what's going to happen if D-Rob *does* beat out Forcier for the starting job? I know this entire time that Tate has been a consummate team player in interviews, but there has to be some concern if he can't beat out Robinson for the job. This sets a dangerous precedent. McGuffie, Threet, Mallett, etc. transferring because something's not right. I mean, judging by how it looks, I think we might have a 4-year QB battle on our hands, D-Rob and Tate battling it out in the spring each year.
This entire time, Tate has sort of been the Golden Boy. I'm just concerned that he's not going to feel as loved if he's beaten out.
Threet and Mallet
Maybe I'm not recalling the timing correctly, but didn't Threet come in to essentially ride the pine and back up Ryan Mallet for 3-4 years? If so, he wasn't coming to Michigan to be a 4-year starter, that opportunity kind of fell into his lap. More likely he was planning a possible 1-year starting gig in his 5th season. Guess he's had a pretty serious change in mindset.
Of course, the new offense and terrible O-line probably helped change that mindset, but still... this is a departure from the expectations when he came in.
I think
that he thought that he could beat out Mallet, potentially and if not, start for his 5th year, or if Mallet was really good, start when he went to the NFL after his junior year. Since he's from nearby, he may have even knew that Mallet wasn't a good fit at M and was having problems, and decided that Loeffler could teach him to be the next Tom Brady.
He probably feels like he has no shot with RR and his spread O.
Boycott the Detroit Free Press! Do not click on any link to that paper.
If I was Threet
and I had football as my #1 priority, then I would've transferred too. It's certainly not good news, but I don't think it's bad news either. It's just...news, and it really should not surprise anyone. Face it, Michigan's spread is not the right fit for him. And the sooner we shed the pieces that don't fit, the sooner we're going to figure the puzzle out and gel as a team.
I'm gonna take two weeks off, and then quit.
Threet was tough in a tough situation
got slammed behind the O line, slammed by fans, media and commentators, slammed by RR after each play. Whether he stays or goes he gets slammed. I've never seen a QB b#tched at by a head coach as much as Threet after each 4 and out. He's probably getting ignored now, as Tate reports he spends 2-3 hours a day with QB coach studying play book or running plays.
Could it be...
...that Threet saw the writing on the wall in early workouts? Maybe Tate intimidated him out of A2. I hope so. That being said, I'd take 4 years with Forcier/Robinson over 3 with Threet. Other successful UM QBs who played their freshman years at least had flashes of promise during those years (see Henson, Navarre, Henne). I would not lump Threet into that group.
Navarre did well against two
Navarre did well against two miserable teams (Miami and Rice), then preceded to go:
8/28 for 111 yards (if memory serves, he didn't complete a 2nd half pass) against UCLA
4/11 for 31 yards vs. Illinoi before being replaced by Henson.
Drew Henson freshman AND sophomore years were worse than Threet's last year.
Are you sure about Henson?
Can that be right that Henson's FR & SO yrs were worse than Threet's? I thought Brian reviewed all past QB's and found that Henson was (surprisingly) the best of the bunch statistically in terms of QB rating, TD/INT, long pass completions, etc even though he had limited playing time. I doubt one good year could overcome two bad ones for that to be true.
Depth, depth, depth.
I understand why Threet left, and I can't fault him for it. Selfishly I wish he would have stayed for the betterment of the program and to get his degree from a great institution. And if he were a junior? Or maybe even a sophomore? He probably does stay. But he's got 3 years of eligibility left and would have spent two of them holding a clip board at Michigan. He saw what the Coner does, didn't like it, and decided to go elsewhere.
That being said, anyone who downplays this as insignificant is missing the big picture. Experience is part of it since Threet is the only useful QB on the roster to have taken a snap or a hit. But the big problem is depth. We're sitting at two scholarship QB's - both of whom are freshman. NOT GOOD. It is especially not good when you subject your QB's to hits more often than a pro-style offense would.
I think it is safe to say that you'll see the Florida approach to QB this season as both Denard and Tate see regular action, perhaps even on the field at the same time.
I also think you immediately move Feagin back to QB as Sheridan insurance. (In case of Sheridan sighting, break glass.) Feagin is never going to crack the lineup at slot WR with Odoms, Robinson, and Gallon around. Make him a QB and hope he doesn't transfer too. Let him play special teams if you want, but he should be the #3/4 QB this season.
AC-1997
Amen
The loss of depth at a critical position is huge. The only experienced QB UM has now is Sheridan and I don't think any of us really want to see him on the field.
Considering how much pounding a QB can take in this offense, and the fact that Forcier isn't that big, it wouldn't be that surprising to me that he might miss time this year due to injury (whether that's a few series in a game, a good amount of a game or a complete game(s) I don't know).
Not to mention, should Forcier struggle early there is no experienced back up to put in. RR would be forced to put in another unproven, inexperienced freshmen in Robinson.
RUDY! RUDY!
Maybe the Waterboy?
Another punch in the dick
I wish Threet nothing but the best. He played with a lot of heart last year, and I'll never forget the epic comeback against Wisconsin. I can't wait to see how the press manipulates this one to their liking.
And he piled upon the whale's white hump, the sum of all the rage and hate felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it.
Threet was not the cause of the...
.Wisconsin comeback. Bielema went into "turtle" mode, Minor had a good run, Threet had one good pass, one good zone read fake (and got run down), and Thompson caught an easy TAINT. The rest of that game, Threet was unbelievably brutal.
Unbelievable heart = completion rate under 50%, would not have started last year if Pryor or the hypothetical spread QB was there, stopped running after 3 games, couldn't throw a screen pass.
Why would we want him to transition? Let's just all move on - it's better in relationships and it's better here. Threet won't have to play waiting for the bench next year, and Tate and Denard know they have it all to play for from day one, which is what they both want.
that is such a bullshit comment
that the only response it deserves is me calling it a bullshit comment
Michigan Wolverines: 874 wins, .740 winning percentage, 42 Big Ten Titles, 11 National Titles, 3 Heisman winners, and 150 consensus All-Americans
Not So Fast My Friend
I am not so sure that the battle for the #1 spot will be over after spring ball. No, this is not some crazy attempt to rationalize more playing time for Nick Sheridan, but I think that Denard Robinson gets a lot of playing time in summer camp and this one might surprise you.
Watching Robinson's film, I was impressed with his footwork and his discipline to get into a proper throwing motion in the pocket. He's got quick feet and quickly re-establishes his base, turns his shoulders square to his target and gets the ball out quickly. He's got a high natural release point and the ball really comes off of his hand well(doesn't throw tail draggers or wounded ducks). I am not even looking at his running ability, because it was sick. He's a fast and elusive guy, but I was more impressed with his mechanics as a QB. I don't know how their HS numbers compare, but as a rule you take all HS stats with a grain of salt as there are many factors that can affect the stats, but the film don't lie.
I think if Robinson can get in and learn enough of the offense in the summer, gets some snaps in the first 4 games or so, I think he gets some starts by the midpoint of the season. Tate will have 19 practices and the spring game under his belt before Robinson arrives, but I think we'll have a pretty nice QB battle in August, which is a good thing. Nothing against Nick, but we'll be better off this year if he's holding the clipboard insomuch as our #1 and #2 will be on the field.
Great points...
I watched Denard's on YouTube and saw that the majority of his highlights were him making great throws. That is extremely exciting considering that, oh by the way, he also runs a (fake?) 4.38 forty.
And I saw Tate live this season when Scripps played Mira Mesa. Tate may be more accurate but based on a rough comparison to Denard's YouTube stuff, I think Denard has a stronger arm.
Absolutely the QB position will be green again this year but at least these are the types of QB's that RR and Magee can optimize their offense around.
I'm gonna take two weeks off, and then quit.
Good luck to you Threet. I
Good luck to you Threet. I don't know if you visit this site, but if you do I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you. Last year was the worst year in UM history, and we all know about all of that but let's face facts. It could have been worse without you. You were great against Wisc. and several other games you rally shined. I understand you leaving but I am sad to see you go. Best of luck to you wherever you go.
use the Forcier Rich
may the Forcier be with you.
Uh,
You did mean "You were great in the fourth quarter against Wisc. - the rest of the game you were atrocious" right?
He didn't even complete 50 percent of his passes.
I'm pretty certain Tate or Denard can do that, and they can run, which Steven certainly could not.
It's time to get the QB in there that Rich Rod wants, not the one that makes the fanbase content because he has a year of (underperforming) experience.
Honestly, we all bash Sheridan here, but at least Sheridan ran a great game in the team's best performance of the season against Minnesota.
short term bad/mid term good
I just don't consider this bad news. If M is gonna be successful, one of the two freshman will be starting by mid-season. That means at best, Threet was a caretaker for the first few games, some of which we'd lose regardless of who is standing behind center.
If you are Threet, this really is the only decision. You're looking at starting five or six games for the the rest of your college career (if neither of the freshmen work out this year, RR just grabs another duel threat next year).
Seconded. The general
Seconded. The general consensus was that one of the freshmen would be taking over by midseason anyway. In the very short run, it could cost us a game or two early. After that point, his departure most likely affects only depth (as he would probably end up at third-string fairly quickly). I just hope that we can spare the game-or-two margin that we might give up.
I give Threet credit for his toughness and refusal to quit, but I am fairly certain that either of the freshmen can overthrow open receivers as effectively as Threet did.
On the upside, Tate and Denard will be getting more first-team experience, which will hopefully accelerate their development (even if only marginally).
"People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either being made."
Negative thought...
Once Forcier gets injured (and he WILL), we discover that Denard can't hit the broad side of a barn, and Sheridammit trots back into a game, many are going to question RR's inability to BS these kids into hanging in there.
Too many goddamn transfers. I've never seen it like this at Michigan.
Go Blue
You've also never seen a
You've also never seen a drastic coaching change like this. Fortunately your comment on Denard is baseless as scouts tend to like his throwing ability. Their their main concern is his height. Which happens to be less of a factor in the spread offense.
oh...
you were gone?
most likely
I'm betting Threet didn't want to work his ass off to be 2nd/3rd string this year and watch his place on the depth chart slowly drip down year by year.
Brian, don't you ever leave us like that again. I felt like a mom who lost their kid at the mall. Welcome back Chief!
Has the whole world gone CRAZY!?!
Well
im not thinking threet is going to transfer into some sort of star....and i expect him to transfer to a lower division
i cant see why he wouldnt want to stay and get a great education?!
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Well
im not thinking threet is going to transfer into some sort of star....and i expect him to transfer to a lower division
i cant see why he wouldnt want to stay and get a great education?!
the comments, pictures, or videos above are under no way related to or from the university of michigan
Well
im not thinking threet is going to transform into some sort of star....and i expect him to transfer to a lower division
i cant see why he wouldnt want to stay and get a great education?!
the comments, pictures, or videos above are under no way related to or from the university of michigan
Wow another situation where
Wow another situation where Brian's Scout level commenters read something exceedingly well thought out and respond like jackasses.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
Personally, I am relieved.....
I realize the arguments for one year of experience and all that, BUT, the coaches can now work to install their system, without bumbling around trying to keep Threet happy. This means that Forcier and Denard will be taking all the snaps with the first team to get their timing in place.
This is a good thing.
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