State Of The Site, Late 2013 Comment Count

Brian

keyboard_bash[1]This is obviously meta.

I may or may not do something like this again, but UMHoops does 'em and they seem like a good idea. Since I've mentioned my general dissatisfaction with the way things have been going around here in a couple of different formats, I figure a fuller explanation is due to everyone who doesn't listen to the podcast or care about Twitter, and Twitter was about six sentences anyway.

I've gotten a lot of emails and tweets in support and while I appreciate them a great deal, I feel like it's not really all that bad and perhaps I haven't expressed any of this clearly enough. So here's an attempt.

THE BAD THING

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We moved servers just before the season, and for some reason this imploded the Drupal module we were using that did the voting/comment-graying. Don't get me started on that unless you want the animated gif above to be my fate.

The new server is a champ, and was direly needed. We only blew up during the Hand commitment aftermath, and I guarantee you that the blog would have been crushed four or five other times during the year if we had not moved. At times this has been a mixed blessing—it probably would have been nice to be down after Penn State—but having your internet site on the internet is a goal.

The cost was steep, as without the obvious disapproval provided by your comment shrinking into a gray box, dumb comments multiplied and fights about those comments multiplied since there was not an obvious indicator that other people had already dismissed it. I felt this would happen but had very little time to do anything about it since this event happened smack-dab in the middle of me pounding out the 50k-word season preview.

Flaming went up, signal got obscured, and things veritably roiled.

THE BLOWUP

We brought Brandon on board to be a recruiting reporter and he posted an interview with a 2016 kid; he gave us a picture in which he looked pretty young. I thought nothing of it because I follow hockey closely and there kids who don't have to shave commit all the time. (A kid born in 1998(!) just committed. The OHL speeds up their timelines.) Michigan just took a 2016 commit in football, and has a half-dozen offers out. But this resulted in a comment thread in which a lot of people made jokes about the kid not having to shave; others put on their Serious Issue faces and wondered if this was ethical. Then the prospect posted a screenshot of people making fun of him on twitter. SMH, man.

By this point we'd had a lot of crap on the board and this was a seeing-red moment. I posted a thread about how this was unacceptable, etc., whereupon there was a huge comment thread in which concern trolling featured heavily. The ethics of talking to high school kids about where they might go to college was frequent topic.

This was and is ridiculous. We're not about to Rosenberg these kids, both because we're not [REDACTED] 5'2" [REDACTED] goobers who'll do someone dirty to get ahead in the world and that going Rosenberg on someone would completely crush us with our readers, deservedly.

We're going to ask them softball questions and publish them after correcting any spelling mistakes, and you, the reader, are going to post comments like "Good luck wherever you go!" because that's the social contract we have here. That's how this works. You are going to assume that high school kids are going to read anything they can about themselves online, and we're going to throw Charmin at them in slow motion. This is not hard-hitting journalism here.

Anyway. The primary concern troll was a guy who'd been around since the very beginning of the site, chitownblue. He quit in a huff once, then came back as chitownblue2, and almost never appeared except to chide someone about something. At some point virtually everyone who writes for the site complained to me about him. The rest of the people who had posted things that broke the social contract in that thread quickly apologized; he dug in to fight the battle of the Somme. Another complaint about him happened in the midst of that thread, during which my dander was up and finger already hovering over the button. So I banned him, and various compatriots. And I've had an itchy trigger finger since.

They'd been around forever. I regret nothing, except that I waited so long. I hated that guy.

THE ISSUE

A friend sent me this post from 4chan's founder in response to similar issues he'd had, in which he cites another post from Steve Pavlina about why he shut his popular forums down. Pavlina talks a lot about entitlement of longtime users and standards that he felt weren't being met, both of which I kind of feel. But moot's thing is the thing:

Something that’s always surprised me is how often people seem to forget how large the overall 4chan community is outside of their own respective interaction with it. Some simply don’t care, but I think others plain don’t realize they’re just one of millions of people who post and browse 4chan on a monthly basis. …

My view is that it simply isn’t possible nor prudent to attempt to please everyone, and so I don’t. This can be misinterpreted as not caring, but it’s far from it—it’s just a reflection of my belief that the needs of the community outweigh the needs of individuals. Which is an ideal I think most would agree with, but when emotions run wild and tensions run high, we often lose sight of it.

The general rule of thumb is that 10% of your readers will read the comments/forums and 1% will leave most of them. I believe our numbers are quite a bit higher than that, but even so that the the primary thing that happens in the comments is lurkers reading them. From the perspective of the commenters these people do not exist. From my perspective, they're the majority of the readerbase.

Most of these people seem to like the site. They visit it. That majority has not been reflected in the comments. Of late when people recognize me I wince a bit, because I'm not sure how this interaction is going to go. I'm kind of waiting for someone to unload on me. This never happens.

As the season's gone along this disconnect has become apparent. And I'm finding the complaints harder to deal with because with the demise of voting so many of them have become personal attacks hardly sheathed in anything resembling logic. Brandon just took a lot of crap for posting that usually when recruits are open with him that means they're excited about Michigan and Malik McDowell was tight-lipped, which may not bode well. This exploded into controversy for some reason: that reason is there are a bunch of people who just complain about everything about the site.

IT'S NOT YOU, IT'S ME

Why these people can't let go and do something else, I don't know. They're locked in a prison of their own devising, being miserable about the state of the blog while they make it worse by constantly complaining about it.

I am going to help both these folks and myself escape from purgatory by hitting the eject button on them. Like this guy who has 41,000 points, most of which seem to be accumulated complaining about the site. And this guy. Great news for everyone: they're banned. Now they are free to explore the rest of the internet, perhaps to find something they don't hate.

This represents a policy change. In short, that is: if the people who write for this site hate you we will ban you. That is the upshot of the twitter burst and the podcast thing. This is not really a change for most people since we did that for anyone with a few points who came in guns blazing. This mostly applies to folks like guy I just banned who'd accumulated the third-most points on the site. I hated that guy! For three years! And out of some idea about respecting the community I let him fart all over it.

To respect the community, we should ban jerks, even if they've been around so long that it seems that there must be some redeeming value in having them around.

If you don't like the way the comments are laid out, or you think there should be more jumps, or fewer jumps, or have a substantive disagreement with what I think, or even have argument-free opinions I roll my eyes at every six months or so, fine. I have to get to know you to loathe you. All you people are good. In fact, here are protips to not get banned under this new regime:

  1. Don't have an avatar. You're less likely to get noticed.
  2. Don't be a jerk to people who write for the site. Much more difficult that #1, but still doable if you try.
  3. Don't constantly complain about the people I hire. If you want to send me an email, fine. Publicly crapping on the other guys who write for us is filed under jerk.
  4. Don't get mad at me for having a particular emotional state. This happened constantly throughout the season, as if the internet tough guys who were taking the bullets the season threw at them could somehow improve my mood by berating me.

I can understand how the last few years have put people in a place where they find me irritating after once enjoying the site, but all the comments in the world aren't going to be able to change what is primarily a sports blog about what it feels like to be a Michigan fan. If you feel differently, okay! I accept that you feel differently. If you want me to feel like you, that is an argument you are welcome to have anywhere else.

It's been a trying year for everyone, and I'm about to go figure out how to get the damned voting back on comments, so hopefully things will recede from this, their irritating zenith. Thank you to everyone who did not expect me to be an emotional clone of themselves this year, which is like 99% of you. I enjoy you.

-Brian

Comments

TIMMMAAY

December 6th, 2013 at 5:32 PM ^

Thowaway line: I agree with every single word you just typed there. 

A little substance:

Banning Chitown bothered me, but I'm just a guy posting random comments on someone else's blog. I get that, and I try to stay respectful even when I vehemently disagree with someone. Now I feel like I have to really watch what I disagree with in general, and it's an uncomfortable feeling, honestly. Again, someone else's blog, so it is what it is. Its just, well, the optics don't seem great. 

I haven't seen anyone give you any crap lately (the last year or so), but I don't read threads as much as I used to. I remember one thread a while back where I gave you some flack for your writing style, but you've grown on me quite a bit. I also think you put more effort into the site than anyone not named Brian (maybe more than him too, how would I know). I do appreciate all that you do here, especially the more in depth analysis you've been getting into recently. I like that more than your earlier more (abstract?) posts. Just my epinion, fwiw. 

Brian does a wonderful job with the site, and his writing is first rate. That's what sold me on this place originally. I do think he sometimes lets his emotions get the better of him, to the detriment of the blog, but you can't be right all of the time. You try to make the best judgement you can, do your best, and hope to learn from mistakes. Obviously he's doing something right, the site is larger than ever. Keep up the good work. Pay attention to your customers. Go Blue. 

I plan to keep the avatar though. 

TheLastHarbaugh

December 6th, 2013 at 5:46 PM ^

 

Now I feel like I have to really watch what I disagree with in general, and it's an uncomfortable feeling, honestly. Again, someone else's blog, so it is what it is. Its just, well, the optics don't seem great.

 

Yeah, these are my feelings as well.

Am I allowed to disagree with stuff anymore if I have an unpopular position?

If Brian comes to one reasonable conclusion, and I arrive at another reasonable conclusion that happens to be different, am I going to get banned for stating my opinion?

I mean, it's his blog to do with what he will. I'm just getting kind of an "MGoPyongyang" vibe here, but maybe I'm off the mark.

RockinLoud

December 6th, 2013 at 6:40 PM ^

I think a lot of it has to do with the manner and tone in which you are disagreeing. Are you being and ass or are you being respectful? I've done a lot of public speaking and one of the best pieces of advice I was ever given - which applies to all communication I've found - is that the presentation of your message is just as, if not more, important than the content.

Also, text communication lends itself to being easily misinterpreted because so much of communication is non-vocal. My rule of thumb is, when I want to come off as respectful in text based communication, to go overboard on clarifying the manner in which I'm trying to say something. If that makes any sense.

The FannMan

December 6th, 2013 at 6:40 PM ^

After reading some of the commens from the mods, I am getting the impression that there is a lot more going on than some of us are seeing.  

I don't think the issue is the guy who says, "Brian, I think that you are being too hard on Borgess.  That interior line is really young. etc."  I think people were personally attacking the authors, in threads and on other media like twitter.  I sense there may have been e-mails and other stuff invovled as well.  The worst stuff may have been hidden away from view.

I am still going to feel free to disagree.  I will, however, make sure that I am doing so respectfully.  If that gets me in trouble, so be it.  But, I don't think it will.

 

justingoblue

December 6th, 2013 at 7:52 PM ^

it certainly seems that this is the case, but that's not anything I'm more qualified to speak to than anyone else who reads the site and everything else.

I have a few things that M-Wolverine asked me to pass on, and then I'm done with it for the thread and the forseeable future.

He asked me to let everyone know that:

  • He has not emailed Brian since 10/12/13 and that was something he'd heard from inside the football team and not any type of complaint (I got the same email from him).
  • He does not have Twitter.
  • He was not at the bowling alley on Saturday.
  • His comments on the site are the only interaction with the site since that email, and they're still available to see if anyone wants to judge for themselves.

uminks

December 6th, 2013 at 9:18 PM ^

Chitown was one of the most respected members on the site several years ago. Back in '09 Brian went on vacation and Chitown took over the blog for a week. I thought it was the worse week in mgoblog history.

After that he became an angry poster and attacked many on the site.

I read posts much more than I comment! I think it will be good for Brian to do a little house cleaning. Jettison the trolls and those who attack people on the site.

I still like to hear differing opinions, so I hope the wide ranging discussion on topics will continue.

bronxblue

December 6th, 2013 at 10:19 PM ^

I guess I've never seen the major issues with disagreeing with Brian or anyone else on the site; he seems to have more an issue with disagreement for the sake of promoting discord.  Everyone's tolerance is different, but there is a way to be a combative but thoughtful ass and a way to simply be annoying.  I figure M-Wolverine and mejunglechop can just start new accounts if they really want to post around here, but I'm guessing they won't, or at least not with the same tact.  But nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head, and if I got banned I could just create a new account and start over again.  While I continue to hold out hope that my MGoPoints can be exchanged for fabulous prizes, and think their only value is as a reminder of how bored I'm at work for the past 5 years.  I highly doubt Brian or the staff will be banning people beyond the absolute worst, and maybe a couple of redeemable characters were cut down as a well, but sometimes that happens.

Reader71

December 6th, 2013 at 6:39 PM ^

Seth, have you been attending coaching clinics? Reading smart football? I was never a Seth-hater, but your most recent posts have been absolutely fantastic. In-depth but easy to digest, clear even to the uninitiated. Love where you're going. I think we need more of that (it's what drew me to this place, breakdowns of spread principles I was unfamiliar with). Let us know what Borges is trying to actually do (we know what he's not doing). Keep up the good work. Just gimme more and sooner, if you please

Shop Smart Sho…

December 6th, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^

I know that I was one of the people that gave you grief awhile ago about your writing style.  I don't know if you've grown on me or if you've changed as a writer, but I enjoy reading your stuff now.

I'm not ever going to enjoy "he who must not be named" (because I'll get banned for raising a completely valid point that many others agree with), but I love you man!

jmblue

December 6th, 2013 at 8:16 PM ^

Yeah, just based just on what I've read here, it seems unfair to label M-Wolverine and Chitownblue as "concern trolls."  They certainly were/are Michigan fans and while they could be contrarian, I thought they generally made fair points.  Now, it's true that they could be argumentative, and I may have missed some of the stuff they said that really ticked Brian off (I rarely visit the recruiting threads and never saw the really controversial one).  So I don't know, maybe the bans are in fact justified.  In any event I felt like they did bring some good with the bad.

There is no doubt though that the level of civility here has gone down.  Granted, I think it's tied to a large degree over frustration with the football season, but the moderation probably needs to come back.  And if people are actually giving Brian crap in person, that's pathetic.   

 

  

 

 

 

Cope

December 6th, 2013 at 8:32 PM ^

Thank you for the balanced approach. Like them or not, those posters added a lot of quality to the site, with analysis and discussion. I think chitown could be jerkish, but he was often right while doing so, as you said. And many posters who needed a vigilante mod beat down got one from him. Mechop abrasiveness wouldn't totally suprise me, yet i cant think of specific instances, but M-Wolverine was one poster I really appreciated. Many times he responded with a measured approach when being aggressively attacked for his points, which were usually right on. Honestly, I always wondered why he hadn't been asked to be a mod. From your points above, it seems he was at least an ideal repeat consumer. You could always depend on his business. A thousand of him would fill up the board quick, but they'd be a consistent business model.

Yeoman

December 6th, 2013 at 10:18 PM ^

I think I get what the term is supposed to be describing, but in practice "concern trolling" seems too often to be shorthand for "reasoned and nuanced opinion I don't want to have to deal with."

I've thought that since the very first time I encountered the phrase...which, oddly, was a time when m-wolverine had directed it at somebody. So my impression is more general than just a matter of taking sides in an argument.

CompleteLunacy

December 6th, 2013 at 11:27 PM ^

I've noticed some people that, instead of responding to reasoned criticism, will just label them as a "concern troll" as if that just completely stops the argument right there.

I don't know how what M-Wolverine said got to the point where he should have been banned, and the only reason it bothers me is because there are waaaaay more worthless posters on this board who should've been banned before him. He actually had well-thought out arguments. Maybe he stepped over the line in that recruiting thread...but from what  I saw, it didn't look like an insta-ban comment. And he wasn't the type of guy who would just start fights just because (like chitown was). 

I feel like Brian is being overly defensive. It's his blog, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. But it is very unsettling to me. The comments have gone downhill, but Brian is targeting the wrong posters in my opinion.

 

Cope

December 7th, 2013 at 12:24 AM ^

There are so many useless negative posters that are itching for hammers before those guys. What you're asking about, I believe: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/bbrown-malik-mcdowell-shortest-text-convers… The OP is edited from the original, FYI. I think they were frustrated and genuinely care, but what comes across may have been what frustrated Brian. The overall persistent negativity towards BB deserves a defense, but I wouldn't say these are the guys dragging down the board by a long shot if my two cents were worth more than leaving in the tray.

Cope

December 6th, 2013 at 11:43 PM ^

Concern troll is spin. I've heard it applied in the last few days to many things related to this site and staff and honestly, the criticisms they were addressing, if taken seriously, would make elements the site offers better. Now I am in no place to tell anyone to do their job, but I genuinely think all M-Wolve and Chop wanted was the best damn Mgoblog possible and were a little disgruntled at negatives they perceived. Granted, it is a HUGE burden managing such a massive site and so many individual posters, but if their advice gets labeled "concern troll" and ignored, it'll be a shame. So, I am certainly not levying blame. But hoping perspective is applied to guys who really are contributing to Mgoblog's best and want it desperately. Perhaps guys like that should be harnessed. But they are definitely on the good guys' side.

TheLastHarbaugh

December 7th, 2013 at 12:34 AM ^

Agreed.

Concern trolling is a thing, but I find in the vast majority of cases the term is thrown out to deflect all criticism as merely "trolling" and therefore unworthy of response or acknowledgement.

I feel like even the term itself is rooted in this, because concern trolls tend to be extremely obvious. You have to be gifted at satire if you're going to pull of a good concern troll and the fact of the matter is most people are terrible at properly satirizing anything.

3rdGenerationBlue

December 6th, 2013 at 5:15 PM ^

This post is just a formal announcement that this site is an echo chamber. People can only comment if the blog staff "likes" them. Brian needs to understand that he is a jerk frequently and people have a right to point it out. Ignoring what people have to say is one thing, preventing everyone else from reading it crosses a line.

Blarvey

December 6th, 2013 at 5:20 PM ^

Brian: When a reader sees obvious trolling, what should they do? Reddit, 4chan, and other boards have report buttons that make it easy for a user to alert the mods.

TheLastHarbaugh

December 6th, 2013 at 5:53 PM ^

Post a link to the comment and the user's profile in the mod thread.

In case you are unaware, there is a little number in the upper righthand corner of every post (I believe my post is #358, but that is subject to change as more comments are threaded above). If you click on that it will give you a permalink that you can post to the mod thread.

Shop Smart Sho…

December 6th, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^

That doesn't always work though.  I reported a long time user for something, and it was just ignored.

I think your best bet at this point is to go click on beveled guilt when you see it, and hope the money piles up quickly enough to bring back the self-moderation.  Also, it would help if there was enough money in there to send the mods on a vacation, or a least by them a couple ounces of some good green so they can mellow out after the last couple of months.

k.o.k.Law

December 6th, 2013 at 5:22 PM ^

wish I could upvote it.

what other sports blog has regular in depth discussions of quantum physics embedded in threads?

the dumbest thing on this site all year is people hassling Brian at the bowling alley telling him how many MGoPoints they had.  Its not like you won a Nobel prize.  Brian giveth, Brian can taketh away.

Any who do not like it, are free to start their own.  Or, hang around and make this site better.

If it were my site, I would ban F bombs.  But that is just me.  So I don't use them.

But it ain't my site.

Part of what makes this the best is, it covers the best University, from which so many of us gained so much.

The FannMan

December 6th, 2013 at 6:28 PM ^

People talked about how many MGoPoints they had?  Like, out in real life?  

People actually hasseled Brian about MGoPoints?  Like, out in real life?

I am beginning to get a much better understanding of where Mr. Cook is coming from.

TheSacko221

December 6th, 2013 at 5:27 PM ^

Is people who have been around longest feel they are able to make/enforce the rules. The kill/derail threads with MEMEs and just plan jackass comments. They struggle to see they are trolls themselves.

Other issue is MODs kill threads because trolls derail them even if back and forth discussion is taking place. This gives the trolls the power they want. They want threads to be taken down because they don't have a view on it or find it to be stupid.

The voting system doesn't work because "groups" stroke each other and gang up on others.

Biggest issue is for the mass amount if ducks who can't ignore threads they have no interest in for the simple fact they are lazy and don't want to scroll to find a thread they do like.

BlueinOK

December 6th, 2013 at 5:45 PM ^

After reading this I stood up in my office and tried to start a slow clap. You can tell it's a Friday because it actually worked! Well and it's an office of four people. Go Blue!

SalvatoreQuattro

December 6th, 2013 at 5:51 PM ^

for the better part of a decade. What I have found is that the internet is like high school, where r personal animosities develop because of a clash of personalities and opinions, which lead to sniping which then can deveop into full fledged flame wars.

This site would be made better if an "ignore" option was given to the users. We could pick and choose who we want to read and who we don't.   I know plenty would love to ignore me. I get it. My style isn't for everyone.  I too find some to be irritating. I understand the feeling. Anyway, I don't know feasible that is from a technical standpoint. I know nothing about programming, but I think it is worth looking at.

Michigan Arrogance

December 6th, 2013 at 5:59 PM ^

should have dumped that jackass with the Yankees avatar too.

question:

What did M-Wolverine get for his 41,000 pts? I assume they are like that internet currency- is there an exchange rate to USD?

 

SAvoodoo

December 6th, 2013 at 6:19 PM ^

What's interesting to me is that I didn't realize who the two banned posters were until I saw their avatars posted in the comments, and then knew exactly who each one was.  Funny how I recognize avatars more than actual comment names. (maybe I should change my avatar to some random simpsons reference or picture of Brian to blend in and go unnoticed...)

justingoblue

December 6th, 2013 at 6:24 PM ^

Sounds like Brian is taking the steps he needs to take. The user moderation system needs to be fixed and setting a different tone/expectation for all of us to follow- whether that's me and LSA or everyone on Brian's blog generally- is definitely a very good thing. If someone asked whether I think MGoBlog/MGoBoard would be better or worse in the next three months than it has been the last three, I would point to both of those as reasons to be optimistic.

About the execution of it...I don't think it will come as much of a surprise to anyone that I'm not in favor of banning M-Wolverine. I'm not saying I agree with everything he's ever posted or that his position on the Brandon Brown hire isn't decidedly negative and vocal, but I'm 100% with Seth about throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. M-Wolverine, whatever you thought of his internet persona (he definitely had his moments both ways), is a good guy that honestly does care. I'll miss him.

TheLastHarbaugh

December 6th, 2013 at 10:10 PM ^

I e-gree that the tone has gotten better of late, a few skirmishes aside. It's certainly heaps better than post-Akron/UConn/PSU. Maybe it's because so many posters are ANGAR'd out and a general malaise has settled over everything Michigan sports related.

I'd like to believe people have grown a little over the course of the season, but without moderation we'll likely end up right back in this same situation, having these same meta-discussions next year.

Cope

December 6th, 2013 at 8:39 PM ^

As I said earlier in the thread, M-Wolverine was my favorite poster here. He will be sorely missed. His level head and wisdom were a bright spot on the board, and it really won't be the same without him.

uminks

December 6th, 2013 at 11:12 PM ^

So he may have had some snarky posts. I didn't think M-wolverine was a troll like some posters who are not Michigan fans and just post negative to cause problems. I thought may be M-wolverine should have taken a trip to Bolivia first before a full ban.  Even the posts I enjoy to read, like space coyote can be kind of snarky at times. I guess, I'm fairly thick skinned and don't mind reading some of the whiner posts. Sometimes they do bring up good points.

Bodogblog

December 6th, 2013 at 6:40 PM ^

If I'm not already. But M-Wolverine wasn't a good poster because of duration, he was a good poster because he gave valid, well-reasoned points. I'm actually shocked that you disliked him so. This new regime will likely soon walk over the line between banning trolls and quashing most dissent. Probably already has.  From the posts of Seth, Ace, BISB, and justingoblue, it doesn't seem as if they feel as much need to ban as you do. And did you really just suggest that people rid themselves of their avatar, so as to avoid being noticed and punished? That's fairly preposterous. 

I learned a long time ago that the world would be a boring place if everyone were just like me, and thought the way I did. Healthy debate, that yes sometimes turns heated, is often the only way to resolve differences. It helps grow the community. Banning people who say things you may not like (as opposed to trolls, who should be banned) isn't a way to improve a community, because sometimes these are things we need to hear. Forcibly quieting those voices - when they're presented with reason - inevitably does more harm than good.

Cope

December 6th, 2013 at 8:56 PM ^

The trolls are what was bringing down the board, not M-Wolve and those with dissenting, but really valid points. Even his comment in the BB recruiting thread was understandable given the tenor of the OP, which OP was then changed to reflect a more professional tone after he got the axe. I really think it's the loss of self-moderation that's the problem. And with that, the idiots and yahoos would be fleshed out. Brian's choice is his own, as is his business, but I'm hopingM-Wolverine is reinstated.

BiSB

December 6th, 2013 at 9:39 PM ^

JGB, LSA, and I ban way, WAY more people than Brian does. It's just that most of the people we nuke are newer members who get banned for more obvious offenses. Some guys are tougher calls that I'd defer to Brian. Take, for example, Section 1. He's a smart, articulate guy who doesn't go around calling people crap-tards. He generally doesn't break the rules. But all he does is get into debates. I wouldn't ban him, but if Brian banished him I wouldn't cry.

As for banning dissenting opinions, I'd look at it like a baseball manager arguing with an umpire. You get a certain amount of leeway, especially when the ump has an inkling that he was wrong. But at a certain point, when you've had your full say, and the ump says "that's enough," that's gotta be enough. Some people are incapable of going back to the dugout, and are therefore ejected. Besides, there has been a lot of dissent and very few bannings beyond the usual trolls.

M-W offered some great contributions. But you don't get judged by the best things you do, you get judged by the worst things you do. And in this case, I understand Brian's decision.

davelewis21

December 6th, 2013 at 6:32 PM ^

I live in Atlantic Canada, not exactly a hotbed of Michigan football info and I rely on this blog for everything UM.   I rarely post but visit the site 5-10 times a day and read every article and most of the comments.  

In typical Canadian fashion, here's hoping we all get along & GO BLUE

Bammer Blue

December 6th, 2013 at 6:34 PM ^

Very interesting and spot on piece. I have not been following Mgoblog for about 2 years and am more prone to comment on game threads than anything else. Living in Bammer country this site is a lifesaver from the constant SEC blathering I have to listen too. While I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion I believe you have to respect the overall purpose of the site. Keep up the good work Brian.