Interesting piece on Michigan Stadium.
Stadium Crowd Noise
My math skills are flimsy at best, but I'm pretty sure it concluded that the additions will make the stadium markedly louder, which I honestly did not think feasible. That is great news, great research, and a great find on the OP's part. I give this post fifty gold nuggets.
The paper had a lot of interesting info, but I thought the conclusion was kinda weak. I'm curious to see (I mean hear) how much a difference the glass boxes will really have on noise levels. Loudest game I was ever at was the Lions only playoff win in the last 50 years against Dallas back in 1992. It was so loud it felt like the upper deck was shaking. While UM Stadium will probably never be as loud as a dome, some more noise would be great in key games.
During the Wisconsin game last year the stadium felt like it was shaking. It was after most of the people had left and just the die hards were left. That was the loudest I have ever heard the Big House. I think it was louder than Penn State 2005, but they are close.
last year during the john thompson interception, i think you are right. the stadium got so loud. i know i was yelling like i never yelled before. and i honestly could tell it was louder last year. during the utah game i thought it got pretty loud too.
I did notice that it was significantly louder during the Utah game, especially when they were running out to touch the banner. The best part is it's only going to get louder because, like that report said, the sound bounces better off flat surfaces, and the glass wasn't on the structures last year.
I went nuts after that interception. The 2 point conversion that they tried right in front of the student section was crazy too.
yeah goosebumps while touching the banner against Utah.. .that was awesome. Loudest i've heard the big house pre-game ever. It's kinda expected since it was the beginning of the richrod era though.
sitting in the corner of the enzone. It was electric, and I almost felt the momentum in the air. I think it was John Thompson who picked it off and ran it back to the house right in front of us. I am also interested to see for myself whether it's going to be louder this year. The UM vs. OSU games are usually the loudest IMO.
All I know is I was yelling at the top of my lungs the whole time and my wife couldn't hear me.
Our fans should occasionally be given free oral gratification for how loud we get the Big House. Not cause it is, on the overall, particularly loud, but cause it takes nigh Herculean effort to get it even to that level.
In some stadiums, like Wisconsin and Ohio State, theres hardly any effort required to make it pretty defeaning. When I was student in big games everyone around me was screaming at the top of their lungs.
Are you Dr. Tobias Funke? There really has to be a better way to word that. That is, unless you meant it that way. Which in that case - I am sure many of male fans would be happy with your idea.
the best tobias line ever involved some use of the term "Meaty male parts"..in reference to an acting part.
I'm speaking from first-hand experience.
or, for the lazy, I shall quote myself here:
edit: Magnus, the renovations have already made a difference! At graduation some students further up in the bowl (I was around row 5) started laughing - I heard their echo off the eastern boxes before I heard them. It raised the hair on my neck, I'm looking forward to hearing it in Sept.
you know, when they measured that the noise got up to 100 db during that one game without the renovations, nobody really knew to yell, and really only the student section yelled. i'll bet now we could get up to 115 db if we got everyone involved. i'd be nice if someday we broke lsu's record of 130...crazy bastards
During half time right? Half the people go outside stadium too.
We could easily break the record. The biggest stadium with HUGE structures on the side.
Obviously were the biggest stadium, does anyone know if we have the largest 'student section' at the games?
Here is an interestinig quote:
"Crowd participation was almost entirely
controlled by the student section and their effort. If all 109,840 individuals had yelled at the
same intensity, the measurement would have increased to 102 or 103 dBA, Leq.(10) within the
center of the open top field, which is a significant sound increase."
This is what I have been saying all along, and I didn't need any equipment: just the experience of attending somewhere around a hundred games in the Big House. It is great that the renovations will make things louder, but the fans who sit on their hands and not only do nothing, but glare disapprovingly at those who do get loud, need to do their part if the Big House is to ever become a true home-field advantage again.
If the NCAA actually believed all of their rhetoric about "student-athletes" and the games being played to enhance student life, they would require all teams, including UM, to give the students the best tickets. I think the student section should be moved to bottom of the bowl between the goal lines on the west side of the stadium, including those prime seats at the fifty.
Putting the student section closer to the floor has worked wonders at Crisler; it turned a formerly sterile environment into a very difficult place for visitors to play. Sadly, though, there is too much money at stake for UM to do anything like this at the stadium. Those who have waited for their chance to impersonate statues betweeen the forties would probably discontinue their donations. That could create a revenue problem for the athletic department.
But it would be nice to see "student-athletes" being cheered on by students in the best seats.
Are you a student?
Regardless, I get your point about noise. However, you do have to respect folks who have paid for tickets for years and like their seats. I have had my seats since 1996. (I am in Section 9 so I wouldn't be affected by your idea.) I enjoy the folks I sit with and would not be happy moving because students who are buying their first tickets ever are going to get my seats. Call it entitlement, but that's how it is. Also, what would you do with the folks you are displacing? Would they be allowed to displace other ticket holders or would they just go to the top of the student sections. There is something unfair about taking someone who has paid for tickets and supported the program year after year for decades and putting them in row 70. Remember, not all those folks are statutes.
For the record, we scream our asses off in Section 9 and I can honestly say that I have never told anyone to sit down - unless they were OSU fans or something but they clearly don't count.
When you come up with thousands a year in addition to scholarship money for students, then they'll do that.
"Those who have waited for their chance to impersonate statues between the forties"
Speaking of statues... How come Michigan doesn't have statues of former coaches?
Bo, Yost, Carr(title)..
have buildings named after them. Carr is too newly retired to do anything about.
Carr will get a building eventually, I think. Or perhaps an annex when they redo Crisler. "Crisler arena at Carr Complex or some such."
has always been to turn around and tell them if they wanted to watch the game from a seated position, they should have done so from their living room.
The best advice? Don't sit down no matter what anyone says. Once they stare at the back of your head for half of a series, believe me they'll stand up too.
This is awesome, but does anybody know if there is any correlation between stadium noise level and success on the field? or noise level and false start penalties (aka penalties that results from noise level)?
at qwest field, where the giants play, there was 11 false start penalties in one game for the away team. noise also makes it hard to get in the signals and causes delay of game a lot.
obviously the players appreciate it when the fans get crazy, and it showed last year. when it was most loud, they did their best. i'll bet they coulda played like they did in the wisconsin game a lot more if we had backed them up more often.
Teams that win don't do it just because of the crowd, but it's no fluke that most of the teams that have been doing well have vicious crowds like ohio state, lsu, florida etc...
if we heckled the opposing team and yelled as much as we do at yost in the big house, imagine the possibilities...
My theory is when someone is in a quiet section, majority of people don't want to be 'the guy' who everyone is looking at telling him to shut up. Now, with the renovation, the stadium as a whole will be much louder, so it will give eeveryone the need to yell when neccessary, they won't be 'the guy'. They will just do what everyone else is doing.
In the old big house you could hear a guys exact words on what he's yelling. Now, you will just see a guy standing up yelling like he is muted because there is so much other noise.
Imagine being at a bonfire, you don't want to be that asshole loud guy(some people don't care). When you are at a party, everyone is loud so you fit in. People tend to be louder in louder environments. Big House willl be a nasty place to play in years to come. average of 8 home games a year too!!!
That makes a lot of sense. Me, I'm "the guy" who wears his flag like a cape and is JUST shy of having ever been the 90% naked, full body painted dude freezing his quite visible nubs off, so I don't care.
Me and my friend are the ones who are always screaming our heads off. Given we are in the student section so its not that weird but you always get the girls who turn around and look at you like "wtf are you yelling about?" That pisses me off, I mean your at an f-ing University of Michigan Football game, but I digress. My point is after the first 5 minutes of the game they get used to it and a lot of people even join in if they see someone else doing it.
Interesting old research article. I was actually present during the experimentation.
I'm not in love with all of their typographical snafus and scientific explanations (lack of explanations), though: What's the non-single-experimental significance of "peak loudness" if the data is collected during halftime--the portion without the bands, no less--anyway?
However, I still love the authors' confidence, however lacking the authority-of-experts they seem to be...
"The addition of luxury boxes to Michigan Stadium and their unique design and building geometry will make a contribution to the so called [sic] desired crowd noise or louder "Big House" acoustic by the fans according to tests results and real time measured data during the game."
I went to the Miami game last year, and was told to quiet down numerous times. After their little slot WR caught his umteenth pass in a row I yelled 'come on DickRod - cover that dude' and I swear the entire section looked like I had dropped a series of F bombs...
I understand it was a MAC opponent, but it doesnt matter who you are playing if you are about to lose... make some noise.
Ive heard louder tailgates than that game..