Spring Stuff: Defense Comment Count

Brian

The spring game-type-substance maintained its downward importance trajectory, but as it's the last glimpse of one of the big three sports we'll have until fall we'll talk about it all the same. This year's edition further expanded the punting-drills-and-standing-around section of the practice, so observations are necessarily light on the ground.

It's bad when Doug Karsch can't keep the sarcasm out of his voice.

This video is in Michigan's traditional zoom-o-vision, so you can't actually tell what Lewis did to get in the position he's in for the first interception.

The tone. Last year's "I like this team" has been replaced.

“We’re doing a lot of good things, but we’re not near good enough as a team to win games in the fourth quarter, which we didn’t do (last season), and play on the road,” said Hoke, entering his fourth season. “We’re a long way from being any good."

That reflects the reality of the program.

Depth chart grain of salt reminder. Spring is a season for motivational devices and experiments and therefore places on the depth chart should be regarded as vague indicators more than anything else. Case in point: Graham Glasgow was your second-team right tackle.

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Lewis is in your grill yo [Bryan Fuller]

Very aggressive /teddyKGB. Every offseason for a team without an elite defense features coaches promising increased aggression, whereupon most of them quietly drop that promise when the season rolls around and it turns out that for Defense X being super aggressive is a good way to give up quick touchdowns. The cycle repeats the next offseason.

Michigan is promising aggression, and Mattison is putting his cornerbacks where his mouth is. Lewis:

“It’s huge, just getting hands on guys and trying to intimidate them," Lewis said. "That’s our key point right there -- being physical. That’s what (defensive coordinator Greg) Mattison is always talking about, being a physical defense.”

They spent most of the scrimmage session in the grills of Michigan wide receivers, playing MSU-style bump and clutch and grab and run. Word from the coaching clinic is that Michigan is adjusting to the way the game has been called of late. Lewis again:

“He said ‘be physical’,” Lewis said. “But he doesn’t care if it’s great defense and we get a penalty.”

This was highly effective when not drawing two flags on Lewis—the second a dubious one—or that one time the offense got Freddy Canteen lost on a deep corner route. Everything else was contested, and when the ball got to the receiver the corners were making a play on it.

Lewis looked terrific after a spring in which inside practice buzz has heralded him as a major comer; hell, he looked terrific most of last year except for the bit where the opposing quarterback regularly put the ball in the six-inch window perfect coverage provides. In this game he had two interceptions and two flags along with other instances where his presence forced drops or tough catches. The first interception came on the first play of the scrimmage (0:45 above).

The video doesn't do it justice since it kind of looks like Lewis is coming over from a zone. That was pure press man coverage on which he did the one thing the gypsy promised him he'd never do: make a play on the ball after achieving his position.

Is he supplanting? I don't know, man. Usually two returning starters who had the number of excellent interceptions Taylor and Countess did have impregnable positions on the depth chart. This situation is not usual, though, as those guys didn't have impregnable positions even as they were doing that—Taylor was yanked from the starting lineup briefly, even. And the last impression Michigan's coaches have is both guys getting smoked by Tyler Lockett, an impression that Countess might have reinforced when Canteen beat him over the top Manningham-style. (Gardner left the throw short and Countess recovered.)

At the very least the competition here is a real one, unlike, say, quarterback. And corner is a position at which a lot of players will see the field. Lewis has at least claimed a spot in Michigan's nickel package, which is half your snaps these days. Even when not in nickel, Michigan rotated last year and they'll rotate this year. It's likely that Lewis gets as many snaps as the starters whether he is one on paper or not, and then you've got Stribling and Peppers. Delonte Hollowell is hanging around, delivering the occasional hard shot on the unsuspecting.

If the spring game indicates one thing, it's that cornerback is better-stocked than it's been in a long-time. Michigan doesn't have a Woodson (at least until fall, anyway), but I can say without hesitation that I'm more comfortable with Michigan's fifth corner than I usually am with their third. Remember Football Armageddon, when Michigan decided covering a first-round NFL draft pick with Chris Graham was their best option? Yeah. Not so much this year.

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Wilson got over the top on a late throw [Bryan Fuller]

Aaaand safety. Much less clarity there, and very little to go on from the game-type section. Michigan spent much of the day rolling whoever wasn't Jarrod Wilson to the line of scrimmage to further their aggression goals, whereupon he would cover a fullback or something or watch as a run play did not get to him.

Wilson did have one nice PBU on a looping ball over the top. The ball was late thanks to some pressure that forced Gardner to roll around in the pocket, but that's the kind of ball a safety can make a play on and the play was made.

As far as depth chart stuff goes there was zero clarity. If you put a gun to my head I'd say Delano Hill was slightly preferred. And then I would say "but…" and you would shoot me. Let's not do this gun to the head thing when talking about Michigan's safeties.

The Jake Ryan experiment. First off, the admittedly not-particularly-meaningful spring depth chart gives me the willies. Ryan at MLB, Morgan second-string behind him, Bolden starting, Ross running on the second team at new tinySAM. I am full of the willies.

It's hard to tell much about linebackers in spring, harder yet when the offensive line they're up against is barely releasing to the second level*. On plays where I watched Jake Ryan he looked okay.  He's kind of a long, upright guy, so when blockers get into him he tends to let them under him. On the edge he would just juke a guy and explode past him; in the middle you have to take the block on because picking the wrong side of the guy means you just blew your run fit.

I'm not sure where he fits in an over defense, though, so if you're going to make a shift he has to go somewhere.

Meanwhile, Joe Bolden's ample playing time has been mysterious to me. Linebacker remains the hardest position for me to have a Serious Opinion about because there's just so much that goes into it, but the things that Bolden seemed to be screwing up were really obvious things like not being anywhere near your pass drop. Meanwhile when it comes to hitting people in the face and making them stop going forward there is no comparison between Bolden, who has been a drag-you-down tackler to date, and Desmond Morgan, who thumps you and then you stop moving. Michigan's head coach says "toughness" every other word, and Morgan is much closer to that on the field than Bolden.

As a result I've promised to eat a lemon on the internet if Bolden starts the opener over Morgan. The rules: Morgan has to be healthy, Bolden has to start, and Morgan cannot start.

*[Michigan had a great deal of uninspiring runs of 1-3 yards but few TFLs except that one time they put Henry in against the third team OL. This was in large part because the offensive line was doing its damndest to not repeat the mistakes of last year. Instead of popping off opposing DL immediately, they were maintaining doubles longer than you really should. This made life at LB relatively easy and thus many plays where a tailback crosses the line of scrimmage and encounters a pile of men.]

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Poggi SDE, Hurst 3-tech, Henry nose on a second or third unit

Line ups and downs. Here the limitations of spring practice overwhelm. Michigan's first-team offensive line read Cole-Bosch-Miller-Kalis-Braden; the second team featured a left tackle with an enormous cast on his hand. Grain of salt, grain of salt, grain of salt.

Anyway, Michigan had a few guys that looked impressive: Bryan Mone entered the backfield with regularity and Maurice Hurst Jr flashed the first step that was the bulk of his recruiting profile. That they've pushed Henry down the depth chart is an excellent sign even if that particular arrangement is clearly motivational after Henry established himself a legit Big Ten player a year ago. Brennen Beyer displayed an excellent ability to discard… uh… true freshman Mason Cole on a number of snaps. Beyer has always been an active hands guy; the question with him is his ability to hold up against 330 pound trucks. A matchup with Cole is not going to answer that.

Michigan got push up the middle of the pocket for large chunks of the scrimmages and while they weren't penetrating on run plays with regularity, see the aside above. When Michigan's options were limited in the half-line drills, they ended up in the backfield more often than not. It seemed like 80% of those runs cut back behind the center, which is a win for the DL in that drill.

As for guys who had bad snaps we will extrapolate much more from than is reasonable: at 2:55 in the video above Derrick Green gets one of Michigan's better runs on the day by bouncing outside; that is there because Glasgow locked up with and drove Henry Poggi well off the ball. Tom Strobel got easily handled on a successful Hayes power play at 2:25; a linebacker wearing a number in the 40s also picked the wrong hole. Also… does anyone know where Chris Wormley was? I don't recall seeing him; I googled to see if anyone had mentioned anything was up with him and came up empty, so I assume he was there but rather anonymous.

I have to punt on other defensive end observations, as I was focusing on the linebackers and secondary for much of the day.

Tentative Takeaways

  • They're trying to make good on the promise to be aggressive.
  • The cornerback depth is terrific and the top end should be quite good.
  • Michigan has a solid young core at DT; DE is more uncertain.
  • Linebackers… ask again later.

Comments

FreddieMercuryHayes

April 7th, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^

I swear I read on Internet somewhere that Wormley was in a walking boot on the sidelines.

Also, when can we get, like, an actual game?  There's enough linemen to do that at this point right?  Even if a few walk-ons are sprinkled in there?  It just seems like the coaches and the athletic department are actively trying to alienate the fan base.  I suppose what they do is more useful for gaining experience and reps than a game with mix and match units...but still.  Let's have some fun with this and make everyone excited for the fall.

RobSk

April 7th, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^

Given that their coach said 'We are not a good football team', and when Jake Ryan said happy things he made sure to say "good on defense", and Jake looked happy and Jack looked sad, I think it's pretty obvious that they know that things are not hunky, nor yet dory.

People don't have to cry to know things are bad, and care. Contrary to reality television law, commitment and passion does not always involve screaming and/or sobbing. :)

        Rob

JTrain

April 7th, 2014 at 12:34 PM ^

Our team and player development has been a big question mark lately. I am not surprised the coaches are holding their cards a little closer to the vest this year. The stage our offense is in, it would be foolish to give even Appalachian St. more than a clue or two about offensive strategy. Pretty sure the coaches knew our D was going to make our O look bad anyway.
Maybe when we are DOMINANT like Alabama and we know no one can stop us EVER because we execute so well, we can roll the play book out in the spring game and not worry about a tiny school like App. St. picking us apart before we even play them.
In the meantime, while we continue to struggle to figure out our oline situation and how not to lose yards every time we hand the ball off to a RB, we will be forced to watch spring practices rather than actual games.

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massblue

April 7th, 2014 at 5:41 PM ^

Hoke had a reputation for developing players over at Ball state and SDSU. I wonder if it is more difficult to develop players who are already good, or think they are good.  I suppose it is easier to develop players who are really hungry and with a chip on their shoulders.

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uofmdds96

April 8th, 2014 at 11:12 AM ^

worth of education, and I still do not possess the words to use that could describe the feeling I have when you mention that we should not give anything for APP STATE to figure out our offensive strategy! HOLY CRAP are we sad.  Seriously.

m1jjb00

April 7th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^

I heard Wormley was out.  I'm sure he didn't play.

Bolden has gotten some buzz, and he had at least one real good read and surge into the hole. There's an appreciable probability Brian eats a lemon.

Pliska vs. Henry was unfair.  I hope Willie realizes that there's a a number of people who can play in the interior, so that he gets past whatever pushed him to playing 3rd string

 

mGrowOld

April 7th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^

Should we file a missing person report on Dymonte Thomas?  Last year I was told he couldnt see the field because Freshman cant play safety.  So why is our 5 star DB unable to even get mentioned in a write up heavy on DB play analysis?  Did he not play either?

LBSS

April 7th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^

I have also been wondering what happened to Mr. Thomas.

Also, forgive me if this has been hashed out in other threads, but have any of the more knowledgeable commenters taken a whack at answering the "why the hell did they move Jake Ryan?" question? Brian's analysis has the ring of truth to my inexpert ears but the coaches presumably know a good deal about football and the team, so there must be some kind of explanation. Right?

Simps

April 7th, 2014 at 12:51 PM ^

According to the coaches they moved him because teams were able to neutralize him by lining up in formations that dictated where he would be and then either sending a double-team or running away from him altogether. The thought was that this way, the best playmaker on the defense should always be in the middle of the action. At least that was my take on it. 

FreddieMercuryHayes

April 7th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^

Also, as pointed out many times, not only can teams split someone out wide to dictate where Ryan goes, but half the time UM is in a nickel package which lifts the SAM altogether.  UM usually then just lined Ryan up as a DE in that formation. 

The counter argument to the move is that his responsibilities change quite a bit moving to the MIKE and what he needs to do in order to succeed as a MIKE also changes.  My hope is that they still use him to attack vertically, his strength, but from middle of the D.  I think he can be a very succesfull blitzer up the middle; he'll come hard on blitz unlike, say, Demens, which is why in 2011 Mattison experiemented with standing Martin up and blitzing when Demens wasn't coming hard enough (that's what she said).

FreddieMercuryHayes

April 7th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^

He was there.  Not that he did much.  But really the safties as a whole didn't do a whole lot anyway besides that one break on the ball Wilson had.  I think the biggest concern about Thomas is that he was seemingly a lock for the nickel his freshman year after spring and then didn't get any real playing time at all.  I think he was the prototypical nickel they want physically, but apparently he's having trouble with coverage so he's not getting playing time.  As for what it means...man I dont' know, he's still a freshman, although in his second spring.  It's a bit concerning that he hasn't been able to grab onto consistant playing time anywhere considering he didn't really need any time to develop physically like many other youngsters.

FreddieMercuryHayes

April 7th, 2014 at 3:06 PM ^

The roster has switched everyone who is not part of the incoming class as a sophomore, but guys like Green and such, well they're still freshmen aren't they? Only in their second semester of school. Thomas was an early enrollee so, yeah, he can be sophomore. But either way, still young.

UMaD

April 7th, 2014 at 2:11 PM ^

I would blame the lack of mention on the author moreso than the player, but you can't discuss every guy...

As for his role, it's struck me as curious that everyone penciled Thomas in to start (before last year at nickel and before this year at safety).  The guy lacks experience, even compared to Clark and didn't do much more than Hill last year.  I know his recruiting profile was stellar, but those are often wrong. 

Thomas could be a great player, but before we make him a starter, it'd be nice to see him do something other than special teams.

 

Space Coyote

April 7th, 2014 at 2:21 PM ^

But as should be extremely evident, that's only about half the equation. Last year, the coaches hoped that the simplified coverages a NB is responsible for would eventually click for him. He showed flashes. He was heavily utilized on ST in the mean time. Unfortunately, they never did click.

This spring, they moved him back to safety full time in hopes of progressing quicker at his eventual position. It still hasn't happened. He's still a RS Freshman that played ILB and RB in High School. It'll take some time. The tools are there, the mental part needs to come around, which is typically the biggest struggle for safeties anyway.

UMaD

April 7th, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^

I'm not intending to be negative about Thomas in anything other than the expectations fans have for him to change positions and immediately start in 2014.  Clark is a year older, has been practicing the position for two seasons, is bigger, and has some physical ability also.  Hill also has an edge in practicing at safety all of last year.

I wish Thomas had red-shirted and been assigned to Safety from the outset, but that's hindsight.  His special teams contributions were significant but his upside is such that it'd be nice to have that extra year available.

I'm actually guessing that Taylor or Countess drop back to safety (like Avery did last year) to free up playing time for the underclassmen CBs.

Space Coyote

April 7th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^

I think a Thomas RS is nice in hindsight, but probably wasn't realistic at the time. And I also believe one of the CBs moves back to safety come fall and gets reps there to add depth to the position.

Simps

April 7th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^

It is exciting to see the corners playing up on the line of scrimmage. Hopefully they can master the clutch and grab defense a bit, avoid the calls, and avoid guys running free through the secondary. Just from watching the film, it seems like a good start. I think Coach Manning looks like he knows what he is doing. 

I am also concerned about Thomas. He seemed like the real deal coming out of HS, and it seems like everyone was getting snaps. So to not see him pop up on the radar at all is surprising. If the D coaches aren't going to use him, can they at least move him to offense? If memory serves he was a pretty damn good RB in HS.

maize-blue

April 7th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^

I believe Hoke could not care less about the Spring Game. I think they kept if extremely simple on the offensive side and probably showed nothing.

I think the defense will take a step forward this year. I like seeing alot more blitzing and trying to get to the QB.

BlueMan80

April 7th, 2014 at 1:38 PM ^

then having our receivers play against bump and grab coverage every day can only help.  I'm glad Mattison is serious about playing agressively on defense.  The college rules favor agressive coverage, so let's do it.  It will be interesting to see how the first and second team D-lines do this year.  Mattison has more talent and experience at his disposal this year and Hurst did show some burst and Mone looked good too.  Wonder how Brady Pallante will do when he gets to camp.  He's probably a redshirt candidate, but as a former wrestler, he could be the next Mike Martin.

Space Coyote

April 7th, 2014 at 2:16 PM ^

WR wasn't really the issue last year. Receivers broke open on MSU and a lot of them were going to be open. The problem was that DG hardly had time to make a 3-step drop, let alone time to allow receivers to beat bump and run. The problem, again, started up front, not on the outside.

Space Coyote

April 7th, 2014 at 3:21 PM ^

He's good at focusing once he realizes he's dropping it, but often times that's too late in college, as contact is coming immediately. I think he needs to do better watching the ball into his hands and focus on catching the ball the first time. My feeling is he does this well with difficult catches, which is why he makes so many difficult catches, but loses focus (or more accurately starts focusing on other things) on the easier catches.

TheNema

April 7th, 2014 at 1:57 PM ^

So we have five good corners. Great.

Now are we going to have to move one of them to safety to get just two good guys there? I've heard no buzz on who will start next to Wilson this season.

alum96

April 7th, 2014 at 6:07 PM ^

I don't think you move any of these guys to safety.   You play a lot of nickel in today's NCAA (when not facing Iowa) so that's 3 on the field and 2 backups.  You assume Peppers gets thrown in there as a 3rd backup but with the hype for Green and Thomas (people are now trying to rationalize but Thomas was a top 100 prospect)  I'd hold horses on annointing Peppers yet as a major role player without any spring practice and straight out of HS.  I know he is "at an even different level" but let's focus on our 5 who actually have been playing college football and should know the playbook well.   Injuries also seem to happen constantly at corner, or at least thats how it feels with the Lions who go through about 12 a year.

As for safety, right now I am in welp stage but last year at this stage Brian was full EMO on Wilson's prospects and he ended up playing solidly for his age and fast forward 12 months there is probably not a more indespensible player on the D.  So someone needs to step up.  Worst case scenario I suppose we try a Courtney Avery and maybe try Taylor back there at S but Avery didn't exactly light the world on fire.   Clark or Thomas or Hill simply need to get their big boy pants on and win a job.

Magnus

April 7th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^

We're essentially two-deep at all the linebacker positions. Even if Bolden isn't good enough to start/surpass Desmond Morgan, he's still a pretty solid #2 option for one of the inside linebacker spots.

The SAM position is a better fit for Royce Jenkins-Stone, who's not so good at reading and reacting. So the change in defense is having a positive effect on the linebackers, in my opinion.

markusr2007

April 7th, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^

Bolden has always appeared more "scrawny" to me.  Ross is the same weight apparently and shorter than Bolden but packs a punch on tackles/hitting.

I think Bolden is flying around in this group and can be a violent player on certain plays, but he hasn't mastered control in his tackling techniques (read-react, positioning of hips, wrapping arms, driving with legs).  That said. He's only a junior and probably will get a lot better this year. But there's a ton of value in guys like Morgan and Ryan who can hit and wrap to stop runners in their tracks.  Regular exposure to Bud Wilkinson's "Oklahoma" drill will do nicely here.