What did you guys like about the game and what did you guys not like as far as the performance of our players? I liked Tate's performance, I thought he played really well. Some things I was a little worried about was the D-Line. Overall it was a good "game". We still have a lot of work to do but overall I think we played good. What do you guys think?
Spring Game Impressions
I'm not feeling very good about our defense.
Where was Donovan Warren? I saw other injured players around, but I didn't see him at all.
I hope to god that Carlos Brown can stay healthy this year.
I'm impressed by Forcier, definitely like ability much better than threet or sheridan, but he really needs to protect the ball. Also, he seems to want to run a lot. Couple times there were receivers open downfield and he decided to run instead. He's going to get killed if he keeps doing that.
Warren was in a cast sitting in a chair according to the radio guys. He was on the sideline though. And for the D-Line, both Martin and Van Bergen didn't play, so that is two starters missing.
Mouton would be the fourth starter not playing.
I got there a bit late, and just as I sit down I see a QB absolutely own Stevie Brown. He jukes him out of his shoes and takes off for a 30yd gain right up the gut. I was like wow this Forcier kid has some moves, then I noticed the number. Stevie Brown had gotten owned by the Coner. So arguably the best athlete on our team got owned by 6-5 slow gumpy white guy, dear god can someone get Stevie a brain transplant or something???
Actually what froze Stevie Brown on that play was a pump fake towards the outside reciever who was standing there like he was running a bubble screen. Stevie went to cover the pass and Coner took off. It wasn't a great play by any means for Stevie, but he was probably figuring that Cone would not run since he is slow so he covered the more likely option in his mind.
You used to see that stuff in the NFL too when Vick was playing, he would throw a pump fake 5 yards past the line of scrimmage and NFL linebackers would jump to block the pass.
I don't blame Stevie on that one, and if it was someone other than him people would probably just let it go.
I heard this from a friends mom who is a nurse at uofm hospital. Warren has a broken ankle. I don't know how bad it is but i am sure he will be back by summer.
Thats like a HIPPA violation, I'm telling.
...but it's "HIPAA."
Health Information & Patient Privacy Act, but not to quibble...
written by the Potamus group
I've never heard of that. I have heard of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act though...
I'm sticking with it ;)
I appreciate you coming to my defense, but we are wrong on this one, it is HIPAA.
I think the #1 offense went against the #2 defense all day. That explains why the D may have looked bad.
Plus they couldn't hit the QB's so that probably makes you play slower.
I just think the white team had some advantages that explain what may be perceived as a poor defensive performance.
there was still some bad tackling and big plays given up, but it is spring so hopefully they get that stuff squared away.
I was more worried about the #2 offense against the #1 defense. After all that I had heard about Cone over the years, I was a bit disheartened to see him running for 40 yards or throwing touchdowns against our starting defense.
donovan had surgery on his foot i think. he was spotted in a cast on the sideline
- T-Force is for real. Keep him healthy because no one else is. We are a legit contender with him. Accurate, quick release, elusive. 4 scenic TD's. Does not look like a Freshman (High School Senior, actually).
- I heard Kevin Newsome went 3-15 in the PSU spring game.
- The O line gets the Most Improved award. Lean and mean - both Speed and Push. This will be the biggest difference this year.
- Our backs looked great. I especially liked some of the 2 back gap-blocking look as a change of pace to the zone read option. I hope we run it some this year.
- Roundtree, Matthews, Stonum - looked solid.
- Already you can see that with more talent and experience, the playbook is more open and diverse. We'll be hard to defend when all cylindars are hitting.
- The D . . . well the D is at a big disdvantage at an event like this. Several stars missing, the 2's had to play the O's 1's, and they can't really go all out on the O for fear of injury. The results were inconclusive, though they can at least stop the Coner (except for the Coner-to-Stoner TD). Bonus: As the O gets better, the D gets better for free. Could we have had more 3 and outs last year?
- Fantastic event. Way to represent - fans, band, cheerleaders, alumni players. I can easily see this become a 92,000+ event.
I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm positive that PSU hasn't had their spring game yet.
i thought i had heard something though about newsome having some terrible completion percentage. maybe at a scrimmage or something?
Maybe it was a spring scrimmage.
Here's to 2-15 for the actual Spring Game!
Yes it was a scrimmage.
Tate looked better than I expected [the Coner looked absolutely awful, Kennedy looked better], Vince Smith and Carlos Brown showed some nice speed, and I was very impressed with the crowd turnout. More than Georgia, it looks like, and they're on ESPN. Also, Ricardo Miller shot me a wink and a "Go Blue" so I'm happy.
good: tate looked accurate passing and agile running. jimmy potempa?
bad: stevie brown got juked out of his pants by the coner on that 50 yard run
Maybe I'm just trying to be optimistic, but I really think Brown was being hesitant due to the don't-hit-the-quarterback rule.
Don't-hit-the-quarterback rule. It has to be that . . . um, doesn't it? Please, please, oh please?
Brown would of went at Cone so much faster if he were to be able to hit.
i more or less agree that that's why 1st team offense rolled up and down the field. since they don't want to injure anyone, but brown still looked silly when the coner juked him for a 50 yarder
Unfortunately I had to leave because my father was complaining of an ear ache, but from the 5 or 6 possessions I saw with Forcier:
He is the real deal, but (obviously) young. Gets nervous in the pocket, sometimes makes the right move and breaks for 8+ yards, other times he would have gotten hit for a 5+ yard loss. Needs to learn when to throw it away quickly, but at his current level, he has demonstrated everything you could ask for.
Night and day between him and Threet, but at times you will see some mistakes. He will be our starter against Western this Fall.
Not afraid to go to the middle of the field, but don't expect any Henne-esque Hail Mary's reigning down anytime soon. But that will come.
I feel quite a bit better about the offense after today. I really wasn't concentrating on the defense too much (I think Coach Rod really wanted to show off the O).
Which safety played with the first team besides Brown?
Mike Williams and Troy Woolfolk were at safety.
don't mean to underanalyze or anything but hopefully some of you guys went to the spring game and actually had fun instead of freaking out about every last detail. Weather was nice, surprisingly big crowd, players looked like they were generally enjoying themselves, even the coner looked decent, cheerleaders looked gorgeous, band sounded good and the crowd was for sure having fun.
Chill out a little bit yo, we still have months till the season starts.
I was very impressed with Forcier. The D wasn't very good, and he did have that fumble/safety, and the throw right into a LB, but his performance was probably the best you can expect for a true freshman playing in front of the biggest crowd he's seen while playing.
Not saying he's going to light it up all season long, but this guy is far FAR better than Threet was at this time last year and probably better than Threet would've been this Spring as well.
Not only that but the running game/offensive line looked good.
As for the defense...I will give them a pass on this one. They were missing 4 starters and playing pretty vanilla the whole time. Steve brown getting juked out of his jock by CONER was absolutely hilarious and probably foreshadowing given what we've seen Brown do the last two seasons.
with much of what has been said. First of all, the fan base should be proud of themselves for coming out in great numbers (what are peoples estimates?) and making some noise when they came on the field and in welcoming back the likes of woodley, howard and hart.
i have to imagine the few dozen recruits who were there absolutely loved what they saw today.
I think it is hard to assess to much as both sides played with an abbreviated playbook and as mentioned, the #1 O vs. #2 D, yada yada, some d-starters that didn't play.
I saw what I needed and wanted: Tate Forcier puts the ball on a dime on almost every throw.
I can't tell if Tate is just that good, or the defense really sucks, but I was impressed with pretty much all of his throws. Almost every one was right on the money and even his running was good. I wish they would let him keep running so we could see if he could break away to the endzone. That fumble in the endzone wasn't a good thing, but I would have to say the rest of what he did overshadowed it.
Carlos Brown was the top preforming back today and I didn't expect him too be, so good for him. His long run for a touchdown was really impressive.
The special teams portion in the beginning was TERRIBLE. My god, they better work on that. I would have to say the top priorities should be special teams and defense. I think Tate is doing a great job so far.
From the way he threw the ball (i.e. placement and velocity) it's pretty safe to land on the side that Tate is that good. It's silly to look at the ultimate result of the plays in a game like this, but it's perfectly legitimate to look at the little details within plays. Tate placed the ball very well, especially on the short passes which is something that was lacking all last year.
There were some badly missed kicks. There were also a few botched snaps.
completely forgot about that. Let's hope Gibbons is a competent kicker.
Bryan Wright is not very good.
Impressive: Tate, Carlos Brown, Vincent Smith, Roundtree, Mathews'catch in the endzone, and Ron Bellamy.
I was hoping to see Koger get some balls thrown his way, so that was disappointing. It would be nice to see our tight ends more involved in the passing game. Our defense looked pretty bad but this event really isn't set up to showcase all of their talents. It was definitely a cool event though.
He played in the alumni flag football game. Had a nice run after catch and played some quarterback. He did throw an interception that "was taken back for a touchdown" (40 yd. line), but I liked the effort.
He played in the flag game, and showed that he's still got some skills (however, he was running past 40-50 year old guys).
We should see if he has any eligibility left in him.
RichRod did not want to show anything new. Did not he go to Oklahomha to see how they incorporate their tight ends into the offense, probably did not want to show his hand.
Forcier showed the arm strength and accuracy to throw the ball downfield over the middle that is for sure.
Well I believe we played well. Forcier has a very good arm and no one said anything about roundtrees two touchdown catches including the bomb near the end of the game. One player I feel sucked was big will, he didn't do anything against the second team offensive love that was less than spectacular.
Am I the only one who absolutely hates that punt formation with like five guys spread out in front and three in the middle that allows a big rush to come though? One of the punts got blocked easily today and a few more were close. I much prefer the traditional punt formation to that thing.
Kickers leave a lot to desire. The first kicker could barely kick the ball 35 yards. Wright hit a nice 45 yarder, but was too inconsistent. I hope Gibbons is all he's cracked up to be otherwise it's going to be like the Philip Brabb years all over again (shudder at the thought!). Why can I never feel comfortable about our kicking situation?
Tate looked very good throwing and running the ball. Decision making (i.e. throwing the ball away) will come in time. I'm sure it's his natural instinct to do too much with the ball because he could probably get away with it in high school. The one that stuck out to me was when they started at the one yard line and he took a safety (well, they called it a safety because of the tag rule but I think he actually fumbled it). But his throws were nice and accurate, his scrambling looks good, big improvement and I'm excited to see what he can do in the fall.
Did Terrence Robinson play today? If so how'd he look?
Robinson did not do anything to make himself stand out. He did drop one pass that I saw
I was sitting directly behind (and talking with) Will Campbell's parents, and as a result I focused a lot on the d-line and Campbell when he was in. I thought the d-line play was very poor, Will I thought got pushed around by our O-line for the most part, and his Dad wasn't happy (not that you should expect anything different from a kid right out of HS). I saw very few pressures, and some poor tackling to boot. I also though the safety play was poor.
On the plus side, his Dad says Will is very happy to be here and likes the coaches. And on a side note, let me just say that the 300 lb. mark looks to be kind of a tradition in that family. 'nuff said.
My favorite part was when Kennedy (who looked pretty decent) and the scout team offense came in. I imagine the coaches call to send the scout skill players in was "send in the white guys!"
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that!
1. The crowd was outstanding. Grapentine announced over the PA that it was estimated at just under 50,000, which appeared correct. Three cheers to everybody for showing this kind of support after the season we had.
2. Forcier is legit. He has a quick release, throws with good velocity, is accurate on the move, and - unlike a lot of young QBs - seems to make quick decisions. He will make some bad mistakes due to inexperience (e.g., he lost a fumble when he forgot to protect the ball, and threw one pass right to a linebacker), but he's going to be an upgrade over the guys from last year, and should be very good down the road.
3. On the other hand, you can see why Cone doesn't play. He doesn't throw well on the move and has a surprising lack of zip on his throws, given how big he is. His passes just float over in the direction of the receiver.
4. We have outstanding depth at tailback. Minor looked good in limited time (presumably as a precautionary measure), Brown showed good vision and speed, Grady hit the hole hard and the freshman, Vincent Smith, also showed pretty quick feet. Coupled with a pair of QBs who can actually run, and I think our ground game is going to be very productive.
5. The OL looks a little better, but it's still something of a work in progress. Their run-blocking could have been better given that they were facing the second-team D. They should get better, though.
6. I wasn't thrilled with the D, but it was hard to evaluate them given the numerous absences. Still, I can't say any of the safeties stood out (in a good way) - that may again be a problem. Cissoko also missed a few chances to make plays on the ball.
7. Bryan Wright is the only returning kicker with any apparent ability. He has a leg but is still inconsistent with his accuracy. He's got to get it together.
8. Mesko remains awesome, booming kicks with good hang time and distance.
9. The third-stringers got a fair amount of time, which was nice to see. Jack Kennedy, a walk-on QB, made a couple of plays (against the third-team D).
10. All in all, a fun time. The alumni game was appropriately goofy (with rules seemingly made up on the spot), a lot of effort was made to make things entertaining and the weather was nice (if just a tad chilly). On the whole I came away feeling reasonably good about things.
My spring game impressions:
September certainly cannot come quickly enough.
I really think that we will be a much better team this year but an 11 win season is not a realistic expectation. Our offens, although much improved is still playing many young players and will start a freshman qb. That does not bode well. On top of that our D is playing its 3rd scheme in 3 years and has a lot of holes. If this team wins 7 games next year I will be happy, if they win 8 I will be absolutely ecstatic. I think a .500 season is a realistic expectation.
on the goal line.
I was really impressed with Forcier and especially Roundtree, it seems like those two had perfect chemistry. On the defensive side i liked Kenny Demens and J.T. Floyd as well as big Will who blew up one play forcing Cone to throw it out of bounds. Overall i liked what i saw...
Well, I'm not sure if I really have anything to add that hasn't already been said.
I was a lot more impressed with Tate than I thought I would be, and he was easily the player I was most impressed with today. I only saw a few bad decisions here and there. Really glad to see that he is able to hit the receivers in stride on the bubble screen. His accuracy on the run is great, and he's a lot faster than I gave him credit for initially. Not just quick, but he has enough top end speed to make a significant impact with his legs. He seems to make decisions quickly and decisively, and is quite consistent. I'm actually pretty optimistic for the offense after watching him play. I just hope he's durable enough to stay healthy once the QBs go live and he plays in some games.
Agreed that we're stacked at RB. I'd like to see Carlos Brown stay healthy so that we have a home run threat; looked great on that 80-yarder. Minor looked decent today. I would have liked to have seen Grady get a few more carries just to guage his consistency. Vincent Smith looked pretty good.
The couple of Roundtree grabs were nice to see as well.
Didn't see a lot from Junior Hemingway; was he on the second team? I thought he would have been first team.
Didn't really pay close attention to the defense enough to make a judgment. I'm fairly concerned about tackling, but that's about par for the course every year.
Overall, I'm optimistic, but I think the offense is going to be carrying the team this year. I hope the defense can step up.
Hemingway was on the second team. He went up against Cissoko several plays. I think he was the one who scored on him, not positive though.
I thought it was Savoy that scored on Cissoko, but I'm not positive either.
It was Stonum. They have a good picture of it at freep.com
my only caveat would be that i don't think you can properly evaluate a QB when the defense can't knock him on his ass
sorry wrong thread
He was outstanding. He is a true playmaker. He has a very quick release and great accuracy. His 50 yard TD pass over the middle was right on the money.
The good: Playmaker, quick running around with the ball, passing skills are advanced for such a young kid
The bad...not really bad, but needs work: not taking off so quickly if his initial reads are covered. He can't run so much once the season starts. He'll get killed.
I was really impressed with him.
Guys, maybe this 3-9 season was a blessing. I seriously think it has made us better fans. I cannot wait for football. Anyone agree?
Tate throws so well, and he needs to more. He likes to run, and should cut down a little. But even when he runs, he gets something out of it almost every time.
the general fanbase seemed very frustrated by at least some aspect of Lloyd, mostly for relatively small things once you compare it to the depths of 3-9. i find it a lot easier just to watch football and have fun with what is going okay.
I agree that last year may have been good for us. Mostly everyone I know is more excited than ever, and the 50,000 who showed up today are proof of that. Also, it seems that fans will appreciate everything much more now. We used to take winning for granted, and we didn't get overly excited about winning, only disappointed about losing. I think now everyone won't take winning advantage so much. Getting excited over winning by the fans could carry over to the players, which would lead to more fun for all parties involved. Now I don't mean going East Lansing riot over wins, but having a nice buzz around campus and the whole state would be good.
I remember after the last loss of the season at home, what was it? northwestern? I don't remember, correct me if i'm wrong. But on tv, they showed someone holding up a sign that said "It's still great to be a michigan wolverine!" Thats how I feel!
Yeah, Northwestern was the last home game.
It was a frigid, wet mess.
Anyone else notice how lame the crowd response was when they announced RichRod?
OTH, Desmond got the loudest cheer of all. I'd say louder than Hart or Woodley.
Oh yeah, where in the hell was Gary Moeller? Locked up in a drunk tank in Ypsi or something?
I thought RR got about the standard reception that we give our head coach. Carr never drew the loudest cheers, either. We've never been one of those schools that worships its coaches. The players - and especially the former greats - have always gotten the most enthusiastic reponse.
Anyone pay attention the punt plays at the beginning? Second punt went to (Odoms?); with no coverage coming at him, it bounced off his pads and out of his arms. I can't believe I'm the only one who the fumbled punt made an impression on.
Yeah, that punt was to Odoms. As soon as that happened, everyone around me let out satirical comments like, "He still hasn't learned to catch a punt?" Now I realize that he is trying his best and all, but we can't afford to give the ball away on special teams again this year.
Yep. I saw it. I tell people all the time, that even though he was our leading receiver last year, (which doesn't say much, no receiver did very well) that there were a lot of balls that he dropped, lots of screen passes, short routes, and a few punts. I really hope they don't use him as a returner. Does anyone know if Denard returned punts in high school? I think he could be a great returner with all that speed. But he better bulk up a little more first. He could get knocked around a lot.
No offense to the young lad who obviously works hard, but I hope he is utilized a lot less this year. Let's say 20 catches on 33 targets with 0 plays on special teams.
He made some nice plays last year for us and although I'm no talent scout, I'd say he showed all the promise of your consummate 3 star slot receiver. The best things I can say about him is that he seemed to run his routes well and has decent hands. A possession slot receiver if you will, but not someone who's going to juke too many defenders and house it.
Here's to the hope that Odoms being employed less means we've got more viable options available.
He's good, just not 1st string good... I hope. To borrow from that whoreson bastard Rumsfeld, we already know about our 'known knowns', it's the 'known unknowns' that I'm interested in.
Odoms wont juke some defenders? You gotta be crazy, man. Odoms did house it once last year on a PR. Gotta watch the dropsies, but I think he'll be sick.
Quite a few people have commented about how Tate has a "quick release" but I am not sure if everyone noticed that his "windup" is just as fast. It is short (the windup) compact, and fast. His entire delivery looks like a very sudden one two combination.
Click click Boom.
That's what quick release means. The amout of time that it takes from the beginning of his delivery to the end.
For instance, Coner is roughly equivalent to Fernando Valenzuela.
The difference in Tate's vs. Coner's windup/release is night and day. Tate's is a very quick flick whereas Coner's release is almost like a baseball pitcher delivery.