Spring Football Bits Defense: Thorns and Storms Comment Count

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chomp chomp chomp chomp. [Fuller]

This is the defense section: I had to split these up for length which means the offense bits are here.

So Let’s Start With More on the Offense

Yeah so the McElwain presser on Monday opened up a bunch of questions about who’s in charge of the offense. Let’s clear that up with a bit of Bo knowledge and some CK2 references, because everybody who covers Michigan football must understand those at least.

I think Harbaugh told us how he’s going to do it when he said Bo didn’t have an OC, and everybody—or at least everybody who didn’t buy HTTV 2015—missed the reference. Indeed, when Harbaugh was playing here, Bo had a defensive coordinator (Gary Moeller) and more or less allowed Mo to run his duchy. But there was no like position on offense. Instead Bo had a “quarterbacks coach,” Jerry Hanlon, Bo’s right hand man going back to their Miami days. Hanlon coordinated the offensive staff, and called the plays from the box, but never got the title. They also had two offensive-minded former head coaches on staff in Alex Agase and Elliot Uzelac, not to mention Bo was an offensive (line) coach at heart. With all of those vassals with kingship claims, hierarchy was less important than council positions.

That’s how I think it’s going to work now. Pep is your Hanlon—he’s got his job and if he cares what you call it he won’t say so publicly. McElwain is Uzelac—he’ll contribute his thoughts while getting back to position coaching and waiting for an OC job. Warinner is Agase, the guy we know all too well from a long career on opposite sidelines, here because he became available and we need him. They’re not Pep’s vassals because Harbaugh holds the Duke of O title himself, but Pep is the Marshall, and leads the armies.

There. Now the offensive staff makes sense, or if it doesn’t make sense at least now you know it’s only because you don’t know enough about Bo and CK2, and you need to rectify that.

Oh, and Sam’s apologizing to anyone he sees for not being hype enough on Joe Milton, with the why at the link($).

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Defense in General

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Really would like to know how solving your problems with aggression works in baseball [Patrick Barron]

The thing about Michigan’s defense is they return all but two starters from an excellent unit, and the coordinator has put out three top five defenses in three years—one with Boston College talent—so sunshine is to be expected. At places used to such riches they’ve learned to ask more about strategies for using the varied abilities they’ve collected. We haven’t learned to do this yet, so this is going to be mostly chatter about backup battles.

What we want to hear: Now that some of Dr. Blitz’s weapons are coming into their second and third years, how are they being incorporated into the defense?

What we’re hearing: This week new linebackers coach Al Washington met with the press. Washington played at BC and later coached (running backs and special teams) with Don Brown there. He was part of Fickell’s staff at Cincy that gave Michigan fits by going to a 3-4/4-3 under front and gap-switching a ton. He has been put in charge of Brown’s Swiss army knife position: the Vipers, SAMs, Edges, and whatnot, right when third year Brown hybrids like Josh Uche and Khaleke Hudson are coming into their own. Adam, our presser guy, has a one-week-old so he wasn’t there to ask our questions, and now I’ve got a beef with the Michigan press corps for wasting this opportunity for knife talk to instead lob questions about Mt. Rushmore. But we got one thing out of it:

He said this might be his fastest defense ever. What have you seen of the talent level out there?

“Man, I’ll tell you what, I made the comparison of somebody dropping a steak in a tank of piranhas. You see the quarterback drop back and it’s like…man, it’s overwhelming. So, speed is lightning quick, they’re physical, and they’re smart. That, to me, is probably the biggest thing.

“These guys get it. This is a lot of—I think he had two new starters last year. Ten new starters, excuse me. So, a lot of these kids are coming back and they know it. They have a mastery of it and so that just makes them even faster. They’re tough. They take pride in what they do. It’s a great group. A special group.”

Piranhas it is.

What it means: If a Minnesota Twins fan complains ask him what state Ron Gardenhire collects a check in.

[After the JUMP: The Piranhas]

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Defensive Line

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OTHER GUYS! [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: OTHER than Dwumfour hype, can you… I said other than… okay give me the Dwum… okay is “Big Dwummie” spelled with a ‘y’ or ‘ie’? Now about the new guys?

What we’re hearing: Let’s get the obligatory Dwumfour talk out of the way first. Sam on Michigan Insider this week (start at about 3:30) asked how you can trust this much hype, and postulated the more people saying it the more likely it’s true, and with Dwumfour EVERYBODY’s saying it.

I don’t just mean insiders; they’re going on the record. Isaiah Hole talked to Cesar Ruiz, Khaleke Hudson, and Rashan Gary, and discovered the secret to getting something out of them about the RS freshmen:

“We've got this guy, Jersey kid, Michael Dwumfour,” third-year defensive end Rashan Gary said. “Fast off the ball with a get-off just like Mo. It's ridiculous. But you're going to see it when time comes. Having him, having Lawrence, having young guys like Deron, stepping in able to play. Having a couple other people trying at three-tech. So it's cool. Everything's rolling around, everybody's looking smooth.”

Did you catch that? “Deron.” That’s our first mention this spring of Deron Irving-Bey! Dude, I’m emailing umbig11 right now and trying the same thing:

Seth: How real is the Dwumfour stuff? Is he really almost as good as Mo or is this some sort of cover for concern over the young guys?

umbig11: They have so much more depth that names are all over the place. The usual suspects are with the ones, but the younger guys are getting a ton of reps. Jeter seems to be holding his own and they are not able to push him around this year. his weight is way up over 300.

Jeter too! Dude! Yo Steve Lorenz, can you try this with your people?($)

3. Lightly-talked about DL are impressing too

One source I recently spoke to said that while the usual suspects are getting the pub up front (Dwumfour, Solomon, Gary, Winovich, etc.), some of the other guys up front on the defensive side are having solid springs as well. Phillip Paea was mentioned twice. Donovan Jeter twice as well. Reuben Jones was brought up too as having some good practices.

Orion Sang of the Free Press, try asking Mattison who’s having the best spring:

“Carlo is doing really well,” Mattison said. “Another guy that is really starting to show signs is Phillip Paea. Phillip is really starting to come on. And Aubrey is Aubrey. Aubrey’s going to be a very talented player, I already consider him one of the guys.”

Paye has made significant strides in the weight room. According to Mattison, the sophomore is now “250-some” pounds, up from 230, his weight when he arrived in Ann Arbor.

“He’s a lot stronger, and he hasn’t lost any quickness at all,” Mattison said. “He’s playing like a guy that’s been here before, not like a freshman. And I’m really looking for good things out of him. He has a summer in that weight room with these guys, watch out. I think we’re going to find someone that you’re really going to be excited about.”

Okay we found the secret. Reverse Dwumcology FTW!

Also Kemp, Paye, and Uche met with the media on Monday and gave us a bunch of things about the guys behind the Dudes. Kemp confirmed he’s playing some DT as well as Anchor. Kwity says they coaches this year trust him to go out there more—he had to be situational last year and that led to Winovich playing a lot of ironman. They got asked about the offensive line a lot because of course.

What it means: Dwumfour is going to start so unless everybody is trying to set us up for a rough awakening in September, we’re going to have plenty of proof. Sam did back off from 2017 Hurst to 2016 Hurst, which lol.

It’s great to hear about the three freshmen finally without asking about them specifically. The lack of anything before this, the Marshall talk, and having Kemp play 3-tech some still makes me think the kids are not quite ready yet and the starters are going to have to take the lion’s share of snaps. But with Mone, Solomon, and Dwumfour plus the option of going 3-3-5 they don’t really have to dip into the second string (Marshall and Kemp) that often.

Oh and in case you’re worried the excitement over Dwumfour has cooled:

“Dwumfour, he’s so quick off the football,” Mattison said. “He has a lot of Mo Hurst in him. There’s times when you see him come off the ball and you just go, ‘Whoa, that’s really good.’ And he’s a little bit thicker and a little bit bigger.”

It hasn’t.

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Linebackers

What we want to hear: Depth chart?

What we’re hearing:

What it means: Nothing new to report. At last check Singleton was backing up Bush, and Ross and Gil will take the WLB battle into fall. They all look good. 

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Viper and SAM

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We had to put the safeties and murderblood safeties in different pens [Eric Upchurch]

What we want to hear: Uuuuu-che! Uuuuuuu-che! Uuuuuuuuuuu-che!

What we’re hearing: Josh Uche is a triple beneficiary of the staff changes this offseason: he looks more linebacker-sized after a winter of Herbert, and Al Washington and grad assistant Allen Gant are helping him refine his pass rush. After moving between DE and SAM he asked and was granted an offseason to focus on becoming a three-down lineman at the latter.

On Khaleke, Lorenz says he’s “probably the most hype-y player I continue to hear about.”

What it means: Ignore the fluff; I find it more meaningful that Uche was one of the guys they made available to the press—a thing I’ve started to notice happening with players they think are going to play a bigger role this year.

If you were wondering what Al Washington (who has coached RBs, DL, and some LBs)’s role was going to be on a staff that already has Mattison and Brown, it’s this hybridized group. There seem to be two real depth charts in there: the hybrid DE/LBs (Furbush, Uche) and Viper (Hudson, Glasgow). Jordan Anthony is with this group too, though I’m not sure which sub group.

When Brown talks about this being the fastest defense he’s ever coached, I bet you it’s Devin Bush, for one, he’s thinking about, but second is Hudson.

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Safety

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Keep that up and you’ll be a consul one day, Roman. [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear: Who’s the third guy?

What we’re hearing: The starters from last year have won their jobs back; Kinnel right away and Metellus after a challenge. It certainly seems that way from the Zordich presser:

“I would say that Tyree [Kinnel] and Josh [Metellus] have taken a step forward. They’re making many more plays out of the post. They’re doing a much better job in the run game. That was some of our weaknesses last year, pass plays in the post with the post safety. Now these guys are able—they’re figuring it out. They’re making plays on the ball in the post and they’re helping, like I said, in the run game.”

And I got some confirmation from a parent who said I can share anything positive:

First, anybody thinking Metellus was in trouble can forget about it. He was the best safety--and it was not close. In fact, his coverage ability really improved and actually played CB on Sat---(mainly due to so many injuries at CB)

…and then wrote nothing negative at all. Parents.

Jaylen Kelly-Powell has apparently passed Woods as well, though that might be an effect of the recent practices focusing more on coverage—JKP’s strong suit—rather than laying the proverbial Ol’ J’Marick on people. Also Zorich confirmed Casey Hughes (the Utah transfer), is coming in at safety. So your distribution of long and lanky thus far:

  • · Safety/Nickel: Sammy Faustin, Casey Hughes (the Utah transfer)
  • · Cornerback: Myles Sims, Gemon Green
  • · Unknown: German Green, Vincent Gray

I bet you Gray (6’2/180) is a cornerback and Green (6’2/168) they try at safety.

What it means: It’s not a surprise that the starters retained their jobs because they were pretty good last year except for inch-perfect throws by Giovanni Rescigno (and sigh, Penn State) and the Unforgiveable Drop.

The third guy is Jaylen Kelly-Powell. Yay that they have one.

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Cornerback

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Big one [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: Just be honest, okay?

What we’re hearing: Honesty, from the guy who spent all last spring telling us Hill and Long were not getting it done. Zordich gave a presser last Friday in which he praised the work of Long and Ambry Thomas, and was kind of hard on Lavert Hill (hip) and Benjamin St-Juste (pulled hamstring) for being out with injuries.

But that is something you touched on last year about—I don’t want to generalize and say it was a toughness issue but is that a little bit?

“Well…if you want to go back to that, yes, in my opinion, yes it is. You’ve got an opportunity to get better or even just to find out what is wrong, because you’re not going to find out by not participating. So, it’s frustrating for us as coaches, but at the same time, those other guys, you’re getting to see them blossom, which is really good for us. We’re creating depth.”

Is St. Juste in that mix there too?

“No, Benjamin is not. He’s been sidelined as well. It’s very unfortunate for him. He’s a very gifted athlete, but he has missed all of the bowl prep, now he’s missed all of spring. He’s got to find a way to get out there if he wants to compete for his job.”

Zordich probably gets upset with root beers for being out of stock when he goes to Blimpy’s. IBC was a good root beer for us last year, but Boylan’s is in that fridge competing and let me tell you, when my mouth is burning because those fries are too hot, Boylan’s is earning my trust now.

What it means: Zordich mentioned a walk-on (Hunter Reynolds) after Long, Watson, Thomas and Sims, which means we’re at the end of the current depth chart. Hill’s absence has given Ambry Thomas the chance to pass Watson, who wasn’t so bad last year. If St-Juste isn’t ready to go, Michigan can probably get by with that four-man rotation while working in snaps for whichever freshman (Sims, most likely) doesn’t redshirt.

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Program in General

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less Derek and more Donovan if you know what I mean [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear: Whatever was wrong last year it’s fixed now. And by wrong we mean other than the whole team was really young and Hoke left you no offensive line and you failed at recruiting one your first few years.

What we’re hearing: This is coming second-hand from a former player and I’m sharing it because it’s echoing a sentiment that a lot of people have shared this year:

Overall—and I know posters will go nuts on this—but this was the best spring sessions I have ever witnessed. I really think the influx of the new coaches, and most importantly Jim being Jim was the key to a huge successful spring campaign. What I mean about JH is that he seemed super focused on just coaching football—no extra stuff—just coaching. And I think that spread to both both Warinner and McElwain.

What it means: There’s a sign on Harbaugh’s desk this year that reads “Just coach football” and there’s a strong narrative emanating from Schembechler that his focus has shifted back to the program instead of positioning it (and himself) nationally/globally. I believe that’s being framed so positively by those around the program because that’s their perspective, but that both are worthwhile pursuits. For this year I think it’s a good thing, since the headlines did their jobs and there were some important things being overlooked on the home front.

He’s brought in a lot of young former players—all guys we’ve covered extensively in the latest iteration of MGoBlog—as grad assistants. They think they recruited the best in the business for strength conditioning in Ben Herbert plus his assistants Sean Lockwood, Kiero Small, Tank Wright, and Justin Tress (yes the Plockis are still around). And everyone from football ops to the players’ moms are raving about Abigail O’Connor, the nutritionist. In CK2 terms, he’s going into “See the realm prosper” mode and the realm is happy about this.

Comments

MGoStrength

April 18th, 2018 at 7:35 PM ^

I think this will be an interesting year to see how our record plays out.  I think we will be a much improved team facing a much more difficult season.  This should make for an entertaining season with lots of close games.  Here's to hoping that 2 of those close games (MSU & OSU) turn into close wins.  We need them, even if we find 3 losses elsewhere we think we can win.

Zeke21

April 18th, 2018 at 7:57 PM ^

I take anything said on this blog with a grain of salt,

People on this blog know ck2 whatever that is, and Don't Know

Bob Ufer.  Figure it out.

unWavering

April 18th, 2018 at 9:25 PM ^

I don't want to get too hyped, but the coverage of the defense and offense post-spring has me thinking that if we get the pass game clicking, this year could be something special. Not too many seem to be too high on UM outside of the program, but it really sounds like they are on the cusp of being great this year. We just need a decent QB with time to throw the ball. Everything else is in place.

Fezzik

April 18th, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^

Can we have a "this is what was said at this time last year" with a "this is what actually happened" last post? I'd love to see what hype materialized or not on an annual basis.

uminks

April 19th, 2018 at 2:58 AM ^

great which it was. Speight was suppose to have a breakout RS JR season which he did not. Even if did not get injured, we may have won 1 more game (probably the OSU game) plus the bowl game? The OL was much worse than we projected. The young WR had a tough time but that was probably due to O'Korn playing much of the season.  I sure hope this season turns out better than last. May be the season will be better than our prognostications.

dragonchild

April 19th, 2018 at 7:31 AM ^

As discussed here many times and will be forgotten yet again in the inevitable flood of irrational optimism and equally irrational "the program is crumbling" proclamations, our OL problems are LONG TERM.  Yes, teams have on occasion succeeded with young OLs, but looking exclusively at the best teams that happen to have young OLs is about as bad as selection bias ever gets.  Overall, young OLs tend to suck, and Michigan has a recruiting hole that was about 4-5 years in the making.  That doesn't get solved in a year or two, which is a big reason they sucked last year, and while this year will be better (a lot more bodies competing at the tackle spots), it's still far from an ideal situation.  Interior line should be pretty good, but defenses attack O-lines at their weaknesses.  Once again, we're hoping for mediocre and may not get it.

Shea's good news and logic dictates he'll be cleared, but if there's any organization that can defy logic it's the NCAA.  Worst case, Harbaugh did publicly commit to giving his QBs more looks than just Brown's press man so Peters should be improved, though hell if I know by how much.

The receivers getting better will be a boost, and naysaying here wouldn't make sense because Black was always good and the program has committed significant resources to shoring up the group.  This should be our most improved group, by far.

I'm skeptical Dwumfour can replace Hurst.  I still recall the Mone hype, and you don't lose a guy like Hurst and not feel the difference.  However, the rest of the defense is back, with additional depth, so overall they should be very good again.  Brown's style is always going to be somewhat vulnerable to chunk plays so don't expect shutouts, but they should hold functional offenses to between 10 and 20 points with regularity.

Short of any major changes in fall ball, we need a more consistent offense but I think we're more likely to get a tantalizing one.  The passing game should improve because the receivers will be that much better, so we should get better at winning the games we should.  But consistency starts with QB and O-line, and the question marks there mean we'll remain likely to sputter against above-average defenses, let alone elite ones.

dragonchild

April 19th, 2018 at 11:34 AM ^

I'm compartmentalizing, talking about each group doing their part.  Offensive stats are a function of receiver play as well as all the other parts, but receiver play itself can be assessed independently.  Are they getting open?  Are they catching passes they should?  How's the route running?  The blocking?  Do they work their way back to the QB on broken plays?  None of this depends on QB/O-line play.  It's, are the WRs doing their jobs.  To your point, it may not amount to much statistically if the QB and/or O-line remain terrible, but that wouldn't mean the receivers hadn't improved.

And improve they must, because the receivers had their own issues last season; they weren't just a victim of bad O-line/QB play.  They are the most likely to improve, but whether or not that'll mean anything remains to be seen.

Clarence Boddicker

April 19th, 2018 at 9:07 AM ^

This defense is going to shut people down. This defense is going to punish teams. All those returning starters, that speed. And they're all bright kids who can process Brown's adjustments on the fly. I can't wait to see them wreck Notre Dame's shit.

Mongo

April 19th, 2018 at 10:53 AM ^

Total Defense Rank

  • 2017  =  #3
  • 2018  =  #2

Total Offense Rank

  • 2017  =  #96
  • 2018  =  w/out Shea  #50
  • 2018  =  w/ Shea  #20

Special Teams Efficiency Rank

  • 2017  =  #29
  • 2018  =  #15 (less Frosh mistakes)

Win-Loss Prediction

  • 2017  =  8-5
  • 2018  =  w/out Shea  10-3
  • 2018  =  w/ Shea  13-1 (B1G champ / CFP out R1)

If Shea is eligible and works all summer on the playbook with these WRs & TEs ? ... we are going to be tough to beat given the defense should be elite.  The OL pass pro matters way more in protection for Peters, who is a pure pocket guy with limited play-making swagger.  But the OL will be even better at the run game in 2018 so picking up where last year ended with solid run game improvements continuing into 2018 is likely.  Plus, PSU and UW are not as formidable in 2018.  To me, ND is on par with the Florida 2017 as an opener except it is at South Bend.  MSU will be tough to beat on the road and OSU is always a challenge at Columbus.  Shea would be a huge difference maker in those three games in my opinion.  Our defense travels well, but our QB has to make "swagger" plays and shutdown the home team crowd to win those biggies on the road. 

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  • still-one

    April 19th, 2018 at 11:07 AM ^

    Am I the only one who is a little concerned that some of the praise being piled on the entire depth chart of the Defensive Line could be attributed to the relative weajness in our O-Line?

    Sten Carlson

    April 19th, 2018 at 11:34 AM ^

    Through all the down time Michigan has experienced the one position group that has continued to excel on the forked and recruiting has been DL. So I’d say yes, you’re the only one concerned (or should be). Coach Mattison is the best in the business and the staff has shown they know what there looking for.