If you're gonna go please be in the first round.
So… That Happened.
Are we going to recap it? No. I'm pretty sure Tim is methodically hammering nails into anything small and fluffy he can find. We're going to dig out something that hasn't been seen around these parts in a year or two. It is the Dead To Me board. It has two new additions, the second of which is relevant.
Well played, 2009-10. Well played.
Here's a kitten:
We'll see you next week. Jesus.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:17 PM | 
For the 2nd guessers
For the 2nd guessers
March 12th, 2010 at 3:22 PM |
i would have too
i would have too
but that's sports for ya. probability seems to go out the window with certain players, especially if they are playing michigan.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:22 PM |
The funny thing is, as the
The funny thing is, as the
The funny thing is, as the play was happening, I was thinking: "wow, with that lack of pressure they really should be catching the ball further up court. Thank god Matta can't coach."
March 12th, 2010 at 3:28 PM |
i dont think beilein expected
i dont think beilein expected
i dont think beilein expected them to screen stu on the inbounds
March 12th, 2010 at 3:40 PM |
I bet he did. You screen for
I bet he did. You screen for
I bet he did. You screen for the guy you want to get the ball on 90% of inbounds plays.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:49 PM |
kind of just giving the
kind of just giving the
kind of just giving the benefit of the doubt but i think he expected a longer, mre hail mary pass
after all, with the short pass they made he barely had time to run up to 40 feet away
March 12th, 2010 at 5:02 PM |
that may be, but then it just
that may be, but then it just
that may be, but then it just goes to show that both teams had terrible coaching in that situation.
With two seconds left, catching the ball that far in the back court is not a wise move. The shot he took was a very low percentage shot and if the clock had started on time, he probably pulls up from further away.
That being said, if you're expecting a long pass, there is no excuse for not putting someone on the inbounds man. Making any type of pass with a guy on you is tough, let alone one 50 feet up the court.
Finally, OSU set up in a manner that should have made defense extremely easy. Having a post player screen for Turner should have allowed for an immediate double off the ball. The post wasn't a threat to beat you from that spot on the court, even if left all alone.
March 12th, 2010 at 5:21 PM |
Guys
Guys
You want to force the pass into the backcourt. We did that. I really think the biggest risk was the long pass, which can be done with or without a guy guarding the inbound passer, unless the inbound passer is underneath the basket. In this case, he had free reign of the baseline. I honestly think we played it properly. I think a lot of us are letting hindsight and a highly, highly improbable shot made by Turner cloud our better judgment.
March 12th, 2010 at 5:42 PM |
we didn't force anything,
we didn't force anything,
we didn't force anything, they voluntarily caught the ball well in the back court. I said above, I don't think it was a good plan on OSU to settle for that shot, but to think that we played that well is absurd.
How they set up essentially took two guys out of the play (the screener and the inbounds man), to still only have one guy loosely covering the probable national POY is a HUGE mistake.
Here's the point, if you don't want to cover the in bounds man, fine (after seeing so many highlights of Hill to Laettner, I really don't understand this philosophy), but you at least have to make the receiver come back to the ball. Two seconds is enough time to get a not-horrible look if you can catch the ball going towards the basket, if you catch it going away from the basket, you're probably going to get an awful, rushed shot with a defender in great position.
March 13th, 2010 at 2:47 AM |
I beg to differ
I beg to differ
The worst part about the whole play was that at the end of a game that by rights should have been two hours of misery, less than a minute after I jumped to my feet with a few other Michigan fans and several thousand sudden converts, I was viciously punched in the dong, and the ensuing paralysis left me unable to shield myself from the sight of far too many jackasses in scarlet and gray celebrating a game they did not deserve to win. (At least we were not actually in an OSU section, and unlike last year, there were not loud, drunk, obnoxious OSU fans directly behind us bragging about how they were loud, drunk, and obnoxious.)
I even saw the punch coming in slow motion: no one on the ball, Turner coming up court, lining up ... POW! Sudden, intense pain.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:23 PM |
I do not think it means what you think it means.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
"contested"????
You're being way too kind.
::punches dong::
March 12th, 2010 at 3:24 PM |
It was contested.
It was contested.
What do you want Douglass to do? Foul him? That would've gone over well.
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures."
March 12th, 2010 at 3:29 PM |
Not re: Douglass, but in the
Not re: Douglass, but in the
Not re: Douglass, but in the macro sense of not guarding the inbound or doubling Turner.
Nevermind, I'm arguing too fine a shade of gray for such a stupid loss.
March 12th, 2010 at 4:03 PM |
exactly.....
exactly.....
A couple of thoughts are interrupting my productivity at work right now but the D on the final play is not one of them.
1. When someone steps up and becomes a third scoring option, Michigan can compete with anyone.
2. 40-footer FTW? Mother fucker........
All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.
March 12th, 2010 at 5:19 PM |
Yes
Yes
Exactly- if you ask me, pre-play, I take that chance every time: Running full speed, pulls up from 42, with Stu running at him. I would take that EVERY TIME in that scenario. I mean, do you guys understand probabilities? Odds? Do you play cards? Do you just say "aww, the hell with it" and go with your gut all the time when doing so? Sorry- tangent there. My point is, it was the right play, and I am fine with him taking a 42 footer in that situation. Fine with it. Give him credit for hitting it.
March 12th, 2010 at 7:07 PM |
He got as good a look as you
He got as good a look as you
He got as good a look as you can get from that distance. Literally, he couldn't have got an easier look.
So, no, I am not fine with him getting that shot. There was no defense played at all.
The odds are not as bad as you make them seem. I bet Evan Turner hits that exact same shot between 15-20% of the time. We should be able to limit a team to a worse shot when they have 2.2 seconds and the full length of the court to go.
It's Great to Be A Michigan Wolverine
March 12th, 2010 at 11:33 PM |
Agreed
Agreed
To continue punish myself -- and shit, I dont even care for basketball - I've watched it a few times.
No matter the "odds" of that shot, Michigan at least needs to get their hands up, legtimiately, rather than essentially making that an OPEN 38 footer.
March 12th, 2010 at 10:21 PM |
uh, no
uh, no
bitch of a loss but to call that contested is, well, like the other guy says, i don't think this word means what you think it means.
saw a highlight (to punish myself) on a non-michigan station and even their announcer commented that you gotta at least try to defend that shot.
now, for reasons i fail to understand, my comments here have gotten neg bombed. i know not why. i've given up on trying to figure out why people vote the way they do. it's a democracy. god help us.
March 13th, 2010 at 6:19 PM |
I can't figure that one out
I can't figure that one out
A lot of your other comments, sure, but these?
not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user
March 12th, 2010 at 3:17 PM |
Life...
Life...
Life...
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:18 PM |
My
My
My dong hurts!!!
Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through
March 12th, 2010 at 3:45 PM |
I'm concerned
I'm concerned
I'm concerned I have taken one too many dong punches over the past 10 months.
"I don't know where you people get the nerve."
"From a long, hard winter, Mr. President."
March 12th, 2010 at 4:05 PM |
I see it now. The consequence of too many dong punches.
I see it now. The consequence of too many dong punches.
The "world's largest group of living alumni" sustain too many dong punches over a short period of time. This, combined with their professional bent and responsible breeding results in a sharp decrease in numbers.
Meanwhile, Spartans and Buckeyes reproduce at alarming rates by the glow of burning couches and spent coolers. Soon the world devolves in to a mustachioed herd of natty light swilling barbarians.
A brahtocracy, if you will.
March 12th, 2010 at 4:23 PM |
Replace "spent" with
Replace "spent" with
Replace "spent" with "poop-filled" and I'm right there with you.
March 12th, 2010 at 4:30 PM |
That was implied. I didn't mean empty.
That was implied. I didn't mean empty.
"Why come you don't have a tribal tatoo?"
March 12th, 2010 at 5:36 PM |
Your Idiocracy references are
Your Idiocracy references are
Your Idiocracy references are grossly being under appreciated right now.
Excellence is Good
March 12th, 2010 at 6:08 PM |
Idiocracy as a whole is
Idiocracy as a whole is
March 12th, 2010 at 6:20 PM |
After that game I feel like
After that game I feel like
After that game I feel like the guy on "Ow My Balls".
March 12th, 2010 at 3:19 PM |
Thank You...
Thank You...
...for the immediate dong-punch acknowledging post. For some reason it makes me feel better :-/
March 12th, 2010 at 3:19 PM |
Not totally dead...
Not totally dead...
We've still got a hockey team to root for!
"Are you coming to bed?"
"I can't."
"Why not?"
"Someone is WRONG on the internet."
March 12th, 2010 at 3:20 PM |
We still have one faint hope...
We still have one faint hope...
Hockey?
Hockey.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:20 PM |
is it us?
is it us?
did we bring this on ourselves?
is it the karma for believing we are truly (and deservedly so) the leaders and best?
is it all brian's fault?
right now i think we have no choice but to question everything
March 12th, 2010 at 3:21 PM |
Call me an ignorant fuck, but
Call me an ignorant fuck, but
Call me an ignorant fuck, but what's preseason #2 Iowa?
And yes, I agree with Brian, well played '09-'10.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:28 PM |
you're an ignorant fuck but
you're an ignorant fuck but
first!
March 12th, 2010 at 3:34 PM |
Several years ago
Several years ago
Brian went out on a limb, declaring a middling Iowa team as #2 in his preseason blogpoll ballot, after convincing himself Drew Tate was not full of mediocrity (an error, as it turns out). This was maybe 2006 or 2007.
Instead they were quite full of fail that year.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:24 PM |
How does Beilin not double
How does Beilin not double
How does Beilin not double team Turner on that in-bounds pass when even Osama Bin Laden and the Dalai Lama knew the ball would go to him? That was absolutely AWFUL coaching. The one thing everyone's all excited about with this guy, and he fails miserably. In 2 seconds there is virtually no chance they can get an inbounds pass, leading to a second pass and a reasonable shot, so they should have left the in-bounder alone, double teamed Turner, and just kept a body on everyone else. BRUTAL.
That game was our best chance at anything meaningful in bball for years. OSU has the #1/#2 recruiting class coming in, MSU has the #7 class, and UM has the what, #80 class? With that massive coaching blunder at the end - allowing Turner to get the ball and a reasonable look - Beilin is a failure now as a recruiter as well as a coach. We'll keep him around a few more years with the good ole "hey give the good old guy a chance" camp, but it's over - this guy will not ever lead UM to even Wisconsin level in the Big 10, mostly due to his inability to adequately recruit.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:26 PM |
Yeah
Yeah
Just triple team him and allow Lighty or someone else to get a 20 footer rather than a 40 footer.
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures."
March 12th, 2010 at 3:42 PM |
Are you serious? OK good cop
Are you serious? OK good cop
Are you serious? OK good cop this while I go Dirty Harry. The UNIVERSE knew they’d go to Turner, and they only have 4 on the floor with an inbounds pass. The inbounder is too far to take a pass back in 2 seconds and loft anything even from half court. So you have 5 guys covering 4, and Turner goes almost entirely uncovered and uninterrupted in receiving a lengthy pass, easily jaunts, and is able to release a legit NBA plus range three point shot. I am sorry, but that was BRUTAL coaching. It was literally the ONLY detrimental scenario that could happen because all others at worse are a 2 pointer. My 8th grade coach could have bettered Beilin there.
March 12th, 2010 at 4:07 PM |
Reality is
Reality is
that no matter how Beilein defended that last play only a miss would have kept him from being blamed.
There are many different ways to defend that play. The key is you cannot foul so that eliminates any kind of press man to man. I am sure that "DO NOT FOUL" was heavily emphasised in the huddle. This also why Douglass was a little farther off of Turner than what is ideal. You also want to make them dibble up the ball to take time off the clock, which they did.
Every coach you talk to is going to have a different theory as to how to best defend that play. Some will always pressure the inbounds pass. Some will lay back at half court. I just don't think you can say it was brutal coaching. Brutal coaching would have been to allow a half court pass with an easy 20 footer.
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures."
March 12th, 2010 at 4:23 PM |
Disagree. Nothing in that
Disagree. Nothing in that
Disagree. Nothing in that final play showed any forceful decision by Beilin whatsoever. Just UM players passively near OSU players hoping the clock would be their only true defense. Beilin should’ve also known referees tend to eat the whistle in scenarios like this so as not to allow themselves to decide games, barring anything obvious. At the very least if you double Turner, it (a) adds confusion to OSU, (b) puts the game winner in an OSU player who didn’t expect to have to take it, and (c) gives Beilin credit for good coaching in case that other player makes the miracle.
March 12th, 2010 at 4:56 PM |
but the clock IS a defender there.
but the clock IS a defender there.
guarding turner too closely brings the possiblity of fouling him 70 feet from the basket (particularly the way the second half was officiated), followed by him calmly draining two free throws and a 10-point overtime loss. if i'm beilein, i tell my guys that no matter, what, turner doesn't get fouled.
March 12th, 2010 at 5:15 PM |
I agree, Matty Blue
I agree, Matty Blue
All I can say is that I'd love, love to coach against some of the people on here.
And calling a shot ONE STEP INSIDE HALF COURT "NBA-Plus" is disingenuous at best. It was a RUNNING, FLOATING SHOT. From 42 fucking feet. Again, if you would rather another guy shoot an open 20 footer than the shot Turner took, well: 1) agree to disagree, 2) you can't be serious. And if 2), then see 1).
March 12th, 2010 at 6:04 PM |
When was the last time you
When was the last time you
When was the last time you saw a foul called 40 feet away from the ball in the final two seconds? Like, never? Refs eat the whistle most of the time in those situations to avoid impacting the game barring anything obvious. So our game plan was "don't foul"? Brutal. It was a no-brainer to double team Turner and leave the in bounder unguarded.
March 12th, 2010 at 7:30 PM |
hm.
hm.
i think i'll stick with the guy who's won 500 college basketball games and is universally regarded as an excellent game coach over "angry message board guy." not that he's never made a mistake, but we got beat by the player of the year hitting a 40-footer at the buzzer. shit happens. get over it.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:08 PM |
You're not really following.
You're not really following.
You're not really following. Sure there was emotion in my initial post - I'm sure lots of fans were ticked - but my initial point was that our 500 win coach is getting his butt handed to him on the recruiting trail by our arch-rivals which:
1. Makes this loss that much more frustrating given that the talent disparity between UM and MSU/OSU will only grow in the next few years;
2. Makes his coaching prowess his only legit redemptive quality, which was incredibly suspect given how he managed that last 2.2 seconds.
And my conclusion was yeah, an angry message board guy flatulating that I'm resigned to writing Beilin off mostly due to his inability to competitively recruit.
The cherry on top of all of this? WVU winning the Big East for the first time with their new coach Huggins...
March 16th, 2010 at 2:10 PM |
the real cherry...
the real cherry...
...is invoking bob huggins as some sort of example of what we could be. oy, gevalt.
March 12th, 2010 at 8:03 PM |
michael talley
michael talley
at wisconsin circa 1990
March 12th, 2010 at 4:02 PM |
Diebler and Buford
Diebler and Buford
can't shoot either
March 12th, 2010 at 3:27 PM |
You got spunk, kid
You got spunk, kid
I hate spunk!
Actually, I love after the tragic omgwtf loss vitriolic anger all life is over and there is no meaning and nothing will satisfy but the only thing that can come close is someone's head on a platter fan rage.
Course, I love it when it's the other side.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:28 PM |
I see this ending
I see this ending
badly for you.
if you had told me before the play "this will end up with a contested 40 footer" i would have taken it gladly