SEARCHBITS XIV: BRIEFLY RUMORED Comment Count

Brian

HARBAUGH HARBAUGH HARBAUGH. All silent, aside from random NFL scouts lambasting the search and asserting that Harbaugh is not leaving the NFL ever-ever. It's a leap to go from "Michigan seems to be taking an exceptionally long time" to "there is no reason this could be, therefore Michigan is clownfraud."

The very fact that Michigan hasn't hired, or come close to hiring anyone, is evidence enough that they are waiting for definitive word on Harbaugh. And then you have everyone who talks to anyone inside the Michigan program saying that very loudly. Michigan may not get the guy, but it won't be because he turned Michigan down two weeks ago.

The only movement yesterday was a brief explosion of optimism last night based on a post from the very edge of the internet that got deleted once it was passed around, but not before the echo chamber went into full effect. No idea how seriously to take that. It does sound like certain people on the inside are beginning to believe it's really happening.

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ON WHITTINGHAM. With the exception of Sam Webb, listening to talk radio guys is never advisable. 97.1's Jeff Riger just re-confirmed that yesterday by asserting that Kyle Whittingham was literally in Ann Arbor, a claim debunked a few hours later when Whittingham showed up at his previously-scheduled team meeting.

Like the Brandt thing, this was obviously untrue on its face: Michigan was never going to fire off an offer to Cutcliffe at this stage of their search, and sitting head coaches do not fly to towns with open jobs. These meetings take place in airports until it's time for a press conference, and again there is no way Michigan fills this job until they get a definitive answer from Harbaugh.

ALSO IN RE: WHITTINGHAM. I've heard there may have been some actual family issues involved with Gary Andersen's departure to Corvallis: namely, Andersen is Mormon and it's possible they were having a tough time adjusting to Madison. That's a reason Michigan and Mendenhall or Whittingham are unlikely to hook up.

I mean: these are two very successful coaches who haven't had so much as a sniff at bigger jobs. Utah blew out Alabama to go undefeated in 2008 and then went 10-3 the next two years and nobody so much as flirted with the guy. It is really hard to get coaches out of the state of Utah.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HOT DOGS? Sean Payton strongly denied any rumors that he'd be somewhere other than New Orleans, correctly dubbing them "silly":

Asked at his press conference today about the possibility that he might step down following this season, Payton said, “Absolutely no way.”

Payton said he is aware that there’s been speculation that he wants to leave New Orleans, but Payton added, “It’s silly. It won’t happen.”

I don't care what insiders said X or Y about Payton's availability. The ghost of Bo could appear to me and tell me Payton was the guy and I would say "he has an eight million dollar contract until 2018, Bo—y'all be crazy." If the Saints decide to pull the ripcord on the best coach in their history thanks to one bad year and eat what I assume is a simply massive buyout, then we are getting to the realm of vague plausibility. Until that highly unlikely event transpires, "silly" is the kind way to put it.

These last two items are me getting exercised about people reporting things without considering how likely they are outside of "I herd it from mah dudez". I heard the weirdass Marvin Lewis thing and told you, but I also mentioned it was weirdass and I didn't expect anything to come of it.

NEVERMIND THE CHEESEOFF. Wisconsin takes under 24 hours to hire Paul Chryst, removing the admittedly remote possibility Michigan and Wisconsin would go after the same guy. Hilariously, a source says "I thought this would be the scenario from Day 1" on Day 1.

Alvarez is going through the "public posting" kabuki but it's done, according to everyone.

THIS IS NEWS FOR SOME REASON. Michigan sent out a release this morning stating that they've hired Korn Ferry as their search firm for 80-250k. Why Michigan would tell people this now (they've been working with the firm since Hoke got cashiered) and why people would repeat it out loud remains a mystery to me. Hackett said he'd be employing a search firm and everyone pretty much knew who that would be once he said said search firm would be familiar with Michigan.

It's a thing you can tweet, I guess.

Reactions have mostly fallen into one of two camps. One: "let me google that for you." Two: "lol these guys hired Brandon and Hoke." I agree with #1. Not so much #2. Brandon was a locked-in insider candidate after being a regent and helping hire Mary Sue Coleman (see Coleman's going-away present of a six-year guaranteed contract); Hoke was a locked-in insider candidate that Brandon was going to hire no matter who the search firm was after Harbaugh went with the 49ers.

All those guys do is give you a list of vetted names; Michigan's screwups are their own. That was supposed to be more reassuring than it ended up being.

WE MIGHT EVEN PASS ON JAY GRUDEN. ESPN Insider's rumor mill thing picks up the RealGM "nugget" on Jay Gruden's supposed interest in Michigan, then mentions that there's another guy out there:

Former UM quarterback and current San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh is another name that has come up often for the Wolverines job in recent weeks, and given Harbaugh's ties to the program and the likelihood that his days in SF are just about over, it's reasonable to believe that he could be the school's No. 1 coaching target, even ahead of Gruden. 

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FAN PECKING ORDER. 24/7 ran a series of polls asking their users about whether coaching candidates would be okay. The results:

  1. Harbaugh (95% yes)
  2. Stoops (89%)
  3. Miles (81%)
  4. Mora (77%)
  5. Mullen (69%)
  6. Herman (49%)
  7. Bielema (46%)
  8. Narduzzi (41%)
  9. Cutcliffe (41%)
  10. Whittingham (34%)
  11. Gundy (29%)
  12. Schiano (14%)
  13. Addazio (12%)

Gundy is a huge surprise down there. Addazio not so much.

Etc.: More on the role this advisory committee thing is playing. Sam says Les Miles's age isn't going to be a hindrance($) to his candidacy and that the search is apparently narrowed to four guys($), though which four is unclear. Miles and Harbaugh are amongst them; past that nobody knows.

Comments

BrownJuggernaut

December 12th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^

Found the Ray interview (linked in the post too, but here just for convenience) interesting:

Those are variations of the spread. It doesn’t really matter what type of spread we’re talking about it. It is more about who’s getting results on offense. It is not what they run, it is how effective they run it and do they have defense to compliment their style of play. So when you see a 59-0 win for Ohio State over Wisconsin, you’re looking at a great defense by a spread to run team and most importantly you’ve got to have the pieces in place to run that but I don’t know…”

That's the portion of the interview that stood out to me, which is the last part of the last paragraph for those searching. While not certain, this type of thinking suggests to me that they're more open to what they're looking for. Most of what Ray said was about having a balanced team, but more importantly, having a coach in place that can oversee everything. Having the structure in place to have an overall cohesive unit, instead of one or the other. I haven't listened to the interview so I want to see if he delved into more of the specifics of spread versus traditional pro-style, but acknowledging and highlighting effectiveness of coaching rather than scheme seems like it would be an important development.

NoVaWolverine

December 12th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^

His analogy of the search firm and the advisory committee to a real estate agent and trusted friends/people who live in the neighborhood, respectively was helpful and cleared up some uncertainty on my part:

The real estate agent has a job, but then the people close to you can give you their opinion if you ask them. It is just more so, our role is to listen, to ask questions, to be in the know about the process and to feel comfortable that things are going to be done differently than they were seven years ago, four years ago. So the due diligence is done to find the right guy and solve Michigan’s problems and to actually let us know what he thinks the problems are that need to be addressed. There are certain factors that play into hiring a coach. He runs that stuff by this group and then he has other people that he talks to about other stuff. ... It is just one of those things where Hackett has Michigan guys that he reached out to and he cares what that group thinks.... it is more of an advisory board. Hey what do you guys think about this, do you have any questions, here is my thought process, this is what I’m thinking, this is how I’m going about it, what do you guys think.”

Point being, the search firm is finding out what "houses" are on the market, and the advisors like Ray, Griese et al. are only a sounding board; Hackett is the guy buying the house and is free to accept or reject their advice as he sees fit.

I have a lot of confidence in Hackett from what I've seen so far. I'm hopeful that at the end of all this, we'll know that we gave Harbaugh our best shot, and if we don't get him, we'll get another good coach. 

 

 

alum96

December 12th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

Gundy in that poll = recency bias.  Do this poll 12 months ago and he'd be 80%.  Dan Mullen a year ago would have polled 2% coming off his 6-6 year 5 at Miss State (pre bowl).

Carolina Wolverine

December 12th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

1. I have complete confidence that the only way the next coach isn't Harbaugh, will be because Harbaugh decides not to take the job.

2. If Harbaugh doesn't take the job, whoever does will be a BIG let down.

3. I don't see Stoops waiting for Harbaugh to make a decision. If he wanted the job, big IF, he doesn't want to be anyone's Plan B..

4. On my personal list, Miles and Mora aren't even candidates.

5. After Harbaugh, my choice would be Bielema. He may be a dick, but his teams play smash mouth football and he'll come to stick it to Alvarez.

MGoNOLA

December 12th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^

I know football coaches aren't saints, but Bielma would literally show up at Madison's version of skeeps and rip shots with undergrads.

Something tells me Michigan's culture warriors would run him out of town faster than rich rod.

Ghost of Fritz…

December 12th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

If JH decides that he is an NFL only guy, and we get Miles or Stoops, how could that be considered that a let down at all? 

I would consider it a huge upgrade over Hoke.

Pulling a coach with a national championship ring to Michigan simply cannot be rationally considered anything but a huge upgrade. 

That sort of hire is exceedingly rare.  I think Halley's comet swings by earth more often than incumbent coaches with a national championship rings get hired away from one elite school to another. 

I too put JH first.  But Miles or Stoops would be amazing hires.

As for Stoops not wanting to be anyone's plan B, let me say this about that:  If Stoops is interested (maybe just wants a new challenge or whatever), he is a smart guy.  He can understand perfectly why JH is the first option.  If Stoops really does want the Michigan job, and JH turns it down, would Stoops really say to himself 'I want it but I was the 2nd choice after the 2nd highest current win percentage NFL coach, who is a favorite son former QB, and worships Bo guy, so thanks but no thanks.'  

I'd bet that Miles understands this too. 

panthers5

December 12th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^

This information behing shared on Kyle Whittingham is somewhat incorrect. Whittingham was offered the Tennessee job in 2010 and turned it down, and Florida requested to interview him and he said no. So he is very much wanted by other programs, but as you did point out, his family is mormon and most likely he isn't leaving. 

alum96

December 12th, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^

Very true about TN.  As for UF that is the first I heard of it - is that this year's search or a previous one?  I did not see any smoke about that.  I did see smoke about Nebraska interviewing him.

If he is ever going to leave Utah this would be the time.  He is still young enough (55) to move and be somewhere else a decade, and his contract ends in 2016. 

Or if you are a cynic he is attaching his name to Michigan and Nebraska searches to get a payday out of Utah although I don't know that they could really bump him too much considering their resources.

I do worry about the cultural thing for him now that it seems that is at least partly the issue for Andersen (although how much is the academic standards and how much is Alvarez we'll never know).

BLHoke

December 12th, 2014 at 3:10 PM ^

There's very little incentive to leave the Utah's and TCU's of the world now since they've joined power 5 conferences and the new plus 1 format. Even a Boise St. could schedule 3 solid-tough non conference opponents and have Nevada, Utah State or Fresno St. potentially be a top 25 in conference win to add to the resume, and they'd likely sneak in to the 4 spot undefeated before a 2 loss power 5 conference champ, or a 1 loss power 5 school that didn't win theirs with the team that beat them already holding one of the other spots. These schools are now not only more secure positions to have, but you can also have the opportunity to compete/contend.

Wendyk5

December 12th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^

Too much access to information, shoddy or otherwise, too much time to mull over theories, conspiracy or otherwise, too much time to panic and get paranoid. Too much time for the media to seed unfavorable thoughts about Michigan in the public psyche. And none of us, barring any clandestine posters involved in the coaching search, have any say over what happens. This search would be a fascinating study in group dynamics and delayed gratification. 

michgoblue

December 12th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^

Brian, you said in the lady searchbits that if the 49ers lose and the Lions win (eliminating SF from playoff contention), we might see some movement. Do you still believe that?

UofM Die Hard …

December 12th, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^

Former UM quarterback and current San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh is another name that has come up often for the Wolverines job in recent weeks, and given Harbaugh's ties to the program and the likelihood that his days in SF are just about over, it's reasonable to believe that he could be the school's No. 1 coaching target, even ahead of Gruden.

"This insight is available for just a few dollars a month."

 

Pure gold Brian.  Lets get some beers sometime.  

Doctor Wolverine

December 12th, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^

Some unverifiable rumors about Harbaugh already accepting the job. I think everyone is in agreement that until an official press conference or statement directly from JH or the University, it is best not to post any definitively yes or no type of information. At this point, it is still widely believed that nobody, including Hackett or Harbaugh know definitively if Jim is going to be our next coach. To post insider information claiming a definite yes or no, even if it turns out to be true, could compromise the entire coach search (see the 2007 issue with Miles).

michigandune

December 12th, 2014 at 2:11 PM ^

Who is Greg Gabriel?   Guess I am out of the loop.  And why does he care so much about Michigan's coach hire?  His tweets are border line hysteria.  He will piss his pants if Harbaugh comes to Michigan.

west2

December 12th, 2014 at 2:31 PM ^

Harbaugh, then Mora or Miles at 2-3/3-2.  It wont get go any further than Miles.   I find it unusual that so far all the other colleges looking to fill HC vacancies fill them in just a day or two.  Anyway expect an announcement by M December 29th. 

Doctor Wolverine

December 12th, 2014 at 3:56 PM ^

I get the feeling that Mora is not really in play. One of the CC articles that was linked recently talked about Mora's agent floating his clients' names out there in similar situations to get them a raise at their current job. With all of the smoke out there, anything is possible, but I would be VERY surprised if he ends up being the new HC. I think he is happy at UCLA.

mackbru

December 12th, 2014 at 2:35 PM ^

I find the whole thing about Mormon coaches feeling uncomfortable outside of "Mormon" states to be a little presumptuous and false. Yes, I'm sure some Mormons prefer to stick close to "home." But Mormons live all over the place. In fact, doing so is encouraged by their church. So I think non-Mormons jump to conclusions about their desires and priorities. Consider also that Mormon schools/state schools are probably just more likely to hire Mormon coaches. Just saying.

MStopRed

December 12th, 2014 at 4:30 PM ^

Take it from a Mormon. I can tell you the draw to go back to Utah and the west is very much real.

Some Mormons do like it back east, but most do not. Even those that go to school back east do not stay long term.

Living all over may be slightly encouraged, but not really, and is certainly not taken as a permanent assignment. It is common for young single Mormons to move east to experience life, get education etc., but even they are in the minority compared to those that stay out west. And even those that do go east, the vast majority of the time they end up back west again. Now that's the case with single young unattached LDS. Families also move east and many stay. But even more of them end up moving back to be closer to family. I'm not judging it. I'm just telling it like it is. There are plenty of exceptions. I grew up in Michigan and went to college and grad school in the east. But I was born and raised away from the west. Most Mormons who stay east are from the east.

I'm not a non-Mormon jumping to conclusions. I'm a Mormon sharing some insight



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Brodie

December 13th, 2014 at 5:36 AM ^

I think you've severely underestimated how insular the Mormon community is. Even out west, where you're very likely to actually meet members of the LDS movement, they are not totally integrated into the American mainstream, so to speak... most socialization revolves around the church.

I'll put it this way: think of how religious most football coaches are anyway... now picture a football coach who is part of a church with such an insular culture that they have their own film industry and imagine that he is working in what his denomination believes to be a literal holy land.