Searchbits VII: In Earnest Comment Count

Brian

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HARBAUGH HARBAUGH HARBAUGH. More NFL people saying no one ever leaves the NFL. Since these guys are all talking to NFL people that's not a surprise; it is a fact that he is telling his Michigan guys that he's seriously thinking about it. A bunch of people telling each other things they want to hear; won't have any clarity on it until there's a signature and a press conference. Steve Lorenz had an interesting quote in a considerably larger piece that sums it up($):

One source we've talked to extensively regarding Harbaugh had the following to say: "Jim can be a flake. That will be the major concern for Michigan. Anything at this juncture saying he's not interested is a smokescreen. His father, and both he and his brother, have a ton of respect for Brady Hoke and would not want to make it appear publicly like Jim is taking his job from him. From their end, they will want this process to appear as quiet as possible."

Whether Harbaugh flaked on Brandon or wisely avoided a guy he knew he couldn't work with is in the eye of the beholder obviously the former. That was posted smack dab in the middle of Hoke's firing, so the quote was addressing a situation that no longer holds. We may see some definitively yes or no action in the near future.

And I know people are inclined to discount Jeff Moss because he's never found a bomb he didn't want to throw, but he did have the Brandon firing presser before anyone, AFAIK, and his Michigan connect tells him that M will go after Harbaugh with many dollars and boxes of khakis:

The DetroitSportsRag has learned that the University of Michigan has offered their former quarterback and current San Francisco 49ers head coach a financial package that would make him the highest paid football coach in the world.

I doubt that, frankly. But there's been enough other chatter about how Michigan understands that this is a situation where spending marginally more money on the new guy will pay off in spades for me to believe that they're not going to come at Harbaugh with an offer that isn't at least top 5 college money.

ON MULLEN. Clint Brewster told the Michigan 24/7 site that he talked to three different college coaches over the weekend and all of them brought Mullen up as the guy who makes the most sense.

If Hackett's serious about demolishing the Michigan Man thing he's got to kick the tires there—ask about the QB grayshirt, MSU's tendency to recruit 30+ guys every year*, find out if he's going to be able transition to a very different style of recruiting. I'd think he'd be able to adjust better than Rodriguez. His previous stops at ND, BGSU, Utah, and Florida give him significantly more diverse experience than RR had. Florida's not Michigan (they take JUCOs) in terms of restrictions but they're certainly a lot closer to M than Mississippi State is, and then Utah and ND are close enough to M that there's not much difference.

*[A lot of those are sign-and-place JUCO deals because of the Bulldogs' status as the low man on the SEC totem pole, so the oversigning concerns are significantly fewer than those numbers imply.]

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WHY GUNDY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. This would still be a longshot, RR-ish secret mission type thing, but it is vaguely possible. Why? The last few days have seen the rumblings about discontent in the Oklahoma State program hit the papers:

If there were a device that could measure stress, Gundy would have buried the needle. I’ve covered more than 220 Gundy news conferences. There were times when he wasn’t very excited to be there, and there was one time – during the 2007 “I’m a man! I’m 40!” news conference – when he was really excited. Monday was different. I’ve never seen him like he was on Monday. …

I believe that 98 percent of the Gundy stress centers on his issues with Boone Pickens. I’m sure some of the stress is related to the current performance of his football team. Since OSU beat Baylor last year – in a performance that was as complete as there’s ever been by any Gundy team – the Cowboys are 5-8. In its last seven meetings with ranked opponents, OSU is winless.

That comes in the aftermath of a press conference in which Gundy spent a lot of time looking at his phone. Also:

Boone Pickens doesn’t run OSU football. Boone’s influence on the program has been greatly overstated. We know that because if it was up to Boone, Mike Gundy wouldn’t be the Cowboy football coach. …

Boone obviously doesn’t care for Gundy, Gundy expresses no concern that Boone doesn’t care for him, and everyone who cares about Cowboy football wonders how long this can go on.

This is followed with some conflicting information about how on the one hand you "couldn't run Gundy off with a shotgun" and on the other Pickens's disdain for Gundy arose when he poked around the Tennessee job.

That's why you call… just in case. Small chance anything happens other than "nope," but if Oklahoma State loses Bedlam it might be time for a jump. Stranger things have happened. Like…

UNDERWHELMING AND WEIRD. Jeremy Foley flew Florida's plane to Fort Collins in full view of the Flight Aware-monitoring public and was rewarded with a crowd consisting of every member of the sports media within 500 miles. He went to Jim McElwain's house; media members knocked on the door and were surprised they didn't get an answer, and then they had serious conversations without even drawing the blinds.

The good news: Jeremy Foley has never done anything remotely criminal in his life. You can tell because he's not in jail. The bad news: he's hiring a decidedly B-list target who's only had three years of head coaching experience and rode an anomalous talent, Dee Hart, to a 10-2 Mountain West season. The MW is not quite the MAC but this feels more like hiring Darrell Hazell than it should for Florida. Darell Hazell with a $7.5 million dollar buyout they "might" be able to bargain down if CSU is feeling generous for some reason. (Florida @ CSU? Might be happening.)

At least it's not Josh McDaniels?

Let us now reflect on what a miracle it is that Dave Brandon got fired what with Jeremy Foley's job not under a whisper of pressure. It takes a truly exceptional man to get axed from an AD job.

SO THEN WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT MICHIGAN? Unless Foley is truly bonkers he called the Pattersons and Shaws and such of the world and was turned down. I would assume that anyone who isn't clearly available is not available; Mullen is an exception because of personal animosity.

OOOH. Matt Hinton's rundown of the open Florida, Nebraska, and Michigan jobs doesn't have any news in it that Michigan diehards aren't aware of, but his suggestion for the open Nebraska job is on point:

Perfect Fit: Michigan State defensive coordinator Pat Narduzzi. …Narduzzi has spent 25 years as an assistant, the last 11 of them as Mark Dantonio’s defensive coordinator at Cincinnati and Michigan State. But Narduzzi has been up for multiple head-coaching gigs in that span, turning some down while building one of the most reliably suffocating defenses in the nation. Think of him as the upper Midwest’s answer to Charlie Strong, who spent years bouncing around the SEC as an assistant before finally landing his big break at Louisville at age 48, the same age Narduzzi is now. Unlike Louisville, Nebraska isn’t a stepping-stone to a glitzier gig (Texas, in Strong’s case), but neither does it have proven winners leaping to leave their current posts.

Keep the offensive staff, which has created a nouveau-option system that fits Nebraska and its available talent, and you might be in business in Lincoln.

UM. OOOOKAY. BUT NO. If you're wondering why anyone is chattering about New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton, he once went to a Michigan basketball game in a Michigan hat and bought a hot dog. Seriously. This makes him more of a possibility to Rivals($) than Dan Mullen, as he's on their hot board and Mullen is not.

Is it because Mullen is supposedly not a good dude? Well, they've got Bret Bielema—who defended a kid who tried to tear Steve Breaston's ACL and was widely regarded as sketchtastic in Madison even when he was the coach—on it, so no. The grayshirt thing is a problem, but we are talking about hiring Jim Harbaugh, who bombed Michigan in a presser. The grayshirt is something you can get over in a way that a flat-out scholarship yank would be tougher to. And Mullen has Midwest roots. To not even consider him would be insane.

Rivals keeps throwing out an Anonymous High Profile College Coach who is interested in the job; if the thing they heard is the thing I heard that would be Bob Stoops. Stoops is also prominently absent from their This Guy or This Guy and What About This Guy paragraphs.

ALSO NO. EDSBS threw out Steve Addazio's name on a whim, because he associates Michigan with boring offenses and bald guys. Our great and good friend Football Scoop chimed in that he was hearing that too, probably for the same reason he was doubling down on Michigan "struggling" after watching Hackett's presser.

Addazio is 55 and has two years at Temple and two seven-win years at BC to his name; tha andt he was a terrible OC at Florida. I mean, here's Athlon making the case:

Addazio wouldn’t be a splashy, name hire like Jim Harbaugh or Les Miles, but he’s a good coach that would win a lot of games at Michigan. In two years at Boston College, Addazio is 14-11 and has recorded a .500 record in conference play in both seasons. Prior to taking over in Chestnut Hill, Addazio spent two years at Temple and went 13-11 during that span.

Sign me up?

Addazio is Brady Hoke's resume without the Michigan connections. I can no longer say never, but that has a 1% chance of happening, if that. Addazio would be tragic Michigan Manball thinking in everything but actual presence in Ann Arbor. He is a low-upside pick in an environment where MSU and OSU are at peaks.

Etc.: Hiring criteria. Not too sure about the "has to be a head coach already" thing when Fisher, Stoops, Mullen, Gundy, Patterson, and even David Shaw are amongst the most successful guys in college football right now.

Comments

funkywolve

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:41 PM ^

While Dee Hart has definitely been a bonus to them this year, this team is far from a one man team. They have an olinemen who plays tackle that some think could go in the first round.  Their QB is also projected to be a mid-late round pick.  Depending on where you look their TE is possibly a late round prospect. They have a corner who is projected to go in the middle rounds and an LB in the later rounds.

 

 

Ron Utah

December 3rd, 2014 at 5:05 PM ^

I'm not sure where Brian is coming from here; perhaps it's just his gut.  Here are the facts from this season:

Dee Hart - 1,254 rush yds; 6.71 YPC; 16 TDs

Garrett Grayson - 3,779 pass yds; 9.8 YPA; 32 TDs/6 INTs; 171.26 rating (#2 behind Mariota)

Rashard Higgins - 1,640 rec. yds; 18.43/catch; 17 TDs

CSU is far from a one man show, and there are at least two players that you could argue are having a bigger impact on offense than Dee Hart.  McElwain built an offensive juggernaut at a terrible school, averaging 35.9 PPG, 7.21 YPP, and 497.8 YPG.

While his success as an HC has only been at CSU, he couldn't have done much better than he has, and it's been far more than just Dee Hart contributing to that success.

ND Sux

December 4th, 2014 at 7:35 AM ^

"never gonna happen" thing.  In fact, I bet Harbaugh is just as tired of the whiny millionaires in the NFL as they are of his coaching style.  He's a better fit for college, IMO, and knows he'd be loved here in AA, and would be successful.  

On top of that, we are hearing of millions of dollars in donations pouring in from wealthy alums to be used as the AD sees fit.  Given recent history, I believe we are going to offer serious cash to get the right guy in here.  Never say never man. 

readyourguard

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:57 PM ^

I undertand the need to pursue the Plan A, big name candidates, but no mention of Tom Herman?  I'm no Jeff Moss, but Herman has put together a stellar offense with a backup QB and 4 new starters on the OL.  Color me extremely impressed and interested.

TIFWIW but...

Urban Meyer:

"Tom Hermon has one of the bright young minds in college football," Ohio State coach Urban Meyer said. "His philosophies are very similar to those of my own."

funkywolve

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:58 PM ^

No doubt looks like a solid OC, but at this stage UM needs to go after the big boys.  No one's a sure thing but Hackett needs to start by going after Head Coaches who have had success - your Harbaugh, Miles, the supposed Tier 1 coach that is nameless.  If nothing comes from the big boys then you start to look at the next level guys.

Maybe Herman will be a really good HC, but at this point UM can't take a chance on him without first going after Tier 1 type prospects.

gwkrlghl

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:53 PM ^

I know he probably thinks his money can buy anything, but for him to 'not like' Mike Gundy -  the Mike Gundy who is one of two coaches to ever get any sustained success at Okie St in over 100 years - is amusing. Apparently they got spoiled pretty quick in Stillwater

Michigan football

December 3rd, 2014 at 4:59 PM ^

It's very difficult to not get excited about the idea, but that' exactly what it is. If Michigan doesn't get him then they better have another ace up their sleeve. Settling for a a coach that will get you to six wins is over.

This is going to be very interesting....

bluepow

December 3rd, 2014 at 5:18 PM ^

At a minimum check out criteria #5, "Have a plan", for extensive quotes from Bo describing how he choose his style of play (Beat Ohio) and acknowledging the major downside of that decision (sucked in Rose Bowl).  His words are entertaining and etched into our program's DNA; indeed we have heard them plenty the past four years.  

The other criteria neatly sums up how Hoke's personality and experience were inferior (basically good guys with marginal track records are a bad bet).  Duh in retrospect, but valuable reflection on the basics of what just happened and what we want to see now.

Highly recommended. 

UMaD

December 3rd, 2014 at 5:36 PM ^

Should be obvious

  • He has an SEC job, a top 10 team, elite facilities, and job security.
  • He has said "why would I leave this"
  • He has a family and families don't like to move.
  • Most of his coaching connections are in the south, where the talent is.

The above may be lip service and I understand why he would leave MSU for Alabama or Texas or USC, but to rebuild a Big 10 team???  Tons of risk, very little reward.

He'll use Michigan to leverage a salary increase and that will be all that.  Michigan will turned down against as they were by head coaches at Stanford, Iowa, Rutgers, etc.

The only way it makes sense is if he has a burning desire to stick it to Urban Meyer.

Rivals does not list Mullen because Mullen is not coming.   Granted, neither are a bunch of the other people they list, but Mullen is a strange one to pick on.

Bagheera

December 3rd, 2014 at 6:39 PM ^

Those are some piss-poor reasons.  

Every coach being pursued by a big-name program is going to have a good team and job security.  That's what makes them worth pursuing. And a family? Seriously?  That describes 99% of all coaching candidates.  The rest of your reasons - a boierplate statement about his current job and "coaching connections" - are about as generic as it gets.  

Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't think the college football landscape has changed so drastically that the coach of a traditional SEC doormat would spurn $5 million a year and a chance to rebuild one of the great programs of all time.

Don

December 4th, 2014 at 6:30 AM ^

On another thread yesterday I mentioned the myth that coaches at non-blue-blood programs will drop what they're doing and automatically come to UM because we're UM, and some posters denied that anybody around here believed that. Thanks for confirming my point.

funkywolve

December 3rd, 2014 at 6:36 PM ^

I'm definitely not one who has maize and blue goggles on that thinks being HC of football at UM is the ultimate goal of most coaches, but I don't know how much of a rebuilding job there is to do here.  If you look at the recruiting rankings since 2010, UM has far and away recruited the second most 4 and 5 star players in the conference.  They went toe to toe with OSU in 2013 for 60 minutes.  They went toe to toe with OSU in 2014 for about 50 minutes. 

It's not like you need to overhaul the roster (unless the coach is planning on doing a 180 in offensive philosophies), you need to develop the players and get them to play better.

M-Dog

December 3rd, 2014 at 6:51 PM ^

Yes, the SEC is the premire conference right now, and you have the best recruiting area of the country in the SEC footprint.

But you've got to think there's some SEC coaches looking longingly at Urban Meyer and thinking to themselves "Damn, that SOB only needs to win one or two big games a year and he's in line for the Playoffs.  I've got to win twice as many big games just in the month of November alone just to finish in the top half of my division.  F that shit, I'm going to the B1G and have more time to spend with my family like Urban does now."

 

funkywolve

December 3rd, 2014 at 7:21 PM ^

It's a dog eat dog world. 

James Franklin saw the light.  While he was probably not going to make Vandy his last coaching stop, he parlayed a couple good years into the head job at some people probably consider a blue blood program.

Not only that, the committee, probably to most people's laughter, isn't rewarding to many SEC teams for playing in the SEC.  Alabama is #1 and then MSU is the second SEC team at something like 10th.  If this was the BCS era, there'd probably be 3-4 SEC teams in the Top 10.

AnthonyThomas

December 3rd, 2014 at 5:38 PM ^

McElwain has not ridden Dee Hart to a 10-2 record. Garrett Grayson and Rashard Higgins are the two best players on that offense, and both are generic two-stars. McElwain isn't good for Michigan but he is a good coach. I think he can win at UF.

1of12MattDamons

December 3rd, 2014 at 6:02 PM ^

definitely has more than just Dee Hart. They've improved significantly as a team under JE and he definitly did not seem to 'ride' Dee Hart. Grayson is a very good QB and their leading reciever is a beast.

FireJimDelaneyNow

December 3rd, 2014 at 6:20 PM ^

For those of you, who aren't following every tidbit that comes out for the past 3 mothns:  All signs point to Jim as our next coach.  Not individually, but when you piece every bit together, collectively they all point to Harbaugh. Write it down, relax and don't fret.  Harbaugh is coming.  What is going on now, is just buying time for Jim to accept.  From Hackett's vagueness when referring to NFL coaches and timelines and timely smirks to Jim's dad clearing the way through back channels.  Jim knows this is his last chance at the Michigan job.  His other options are being traded to a last place team for a Super Bowl chance in 5 years, if he gets a GM who knows player personnel.  Ever wonder why he chose, SF above all suitors?  The players to win now were there.  He has talent here to coach, he can get paid NFL salary and control his player personnel.  Remeber Nick Saban's move from the NFL to Alabama?  He has a chance now to become the man Bo was.  This will be his last chance, because if he doesn't take it now, it will be taken by someone else who will not reliquish it for 10 years (think his brother or Miles).  Anyone who ever wanted this job knows this will be their last chance to become a Michigan legend. This is his one chance at coaching immortality and to follow in Bo's footsteps.  IT IS A DONE DEAL!!!

 

Ghost of Fritz…

December 4th, 2014 at 8:17 AM ^

What is so great about being the coach of the Jets or Raiders, both highly uncertain multi-year reclamation projects? 

Only thing that would cut against your logic is if JH just believes that the NFL is the only place he ever wants to be.

In that case any NFL job would trump his last chance to become a legend at his alma mater.

Could be.  But the fact that former M players close to Harbauigh are leaking that he is at least interested in the M job suggests that he is not of an 'NFL only' mindset. 

AlwaysBlue

December 3rd, 2014 at 6:56 PM ^

know and hear about Hackett he means what he says about no shenanigans. He wants someone whose reputation is squeaky clean. The second thing is he wants someone who can lead and won't be swallowed by the media, fans or organizational politics. Throwing around names without these considerations is perilous. The one qualifier is if he plans to stay as AD and feels he can mentor a coach (as he mentioned about Hoke).

SZHough

December 3rd, 2014 at 7:10 PM ^

I want Mullen so badly it hurts. My biggest concern with Harbaugh is that this is a stopover for him before going back to the NFL (if he wins here I think he gets the itch to prove he can do it in the NFL). Mullen? Mullen I think could be the next great coach in Michigan history.

west2

December 3rd, 2014 at 7:16 PM ^

that Harbaugh isn't the best option here particularly if it's only about money?   Some of these other coaching options might be more dedicated or motivated to get michigan to the next level.   Meyer or Dantonio, the standards now in the bgtn, didn't go to their respective programs simply because those programs were the highest bidders.  The best fit here for Michigan shouldn't hinge on a few dollars more.  Harbaugh, if he comes it will be the intangibles or the different dynamics of college football and mIchigan specifically that draws him here...hopefully.  If he will only come if he gets X amount of money then he isn't the right guy. 

uminks

December 3rd, 2014 at 9:20 PM ^

Michigan will pay $ for Harbaugh to give up on the NFL for a while. I think Harbaugh is bit frustrated with pro players and would not mind taking break by coaching Michigan. He will stay long enough to accomplish one of his goals of winning a national championship, then he will head back to the NFL. I will not mind since Jim will groom his successor before leaving.

Now Seattle will have to beat the 49ers and knock them out of playoff contention! Lets get this deal done ASAP!

Don

December 4th, 2014 at 6:58 AM ^

Brian believes this guy is bad for Florida:

Current HC of a FBS program he's taken from 4-8 to 8-6 and now 10-2; was OC at Alabama from 2008 through 2011, in the process going 48-6 (28-4 in conference) with national championships in 2009 and 2011. Conference opponents included LSU, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee, Auburn, and Florida. Also has assistant experience at Louisville, Michigan State, and Fresno State.

Brian believes this guy is good for Michigan:

Current HC of a Division II program since 2000, with these conference opponents: CSU-Pueblo, Chadron State, Colorado Mesa, Western New Mexico, Adams State, Western State, New Mexico Highlands, Black Hills State, and Fort Lewis. Also has previous assistant experience at Doane College, Austin College, and Harvard.

To say this is ridiculous is the understatement of the year.

kzoomgr

December 4th, 2014 at 9:04 AM ^

To the extent Hackett uses a "search firm" to help with the hiring process, I'd be very curious to understand 1) who these firms are, 2) what criteria they look at (e.g. is there a sort of Sabremetrics for football coaches that goes beyond, yeah, that guy won a lot of games), 3) who are some other coaches that were identified using this kind of process.

auger

December 4th, 2014 at 9:25 AM ^

It all goes to what Dantonio said. "It's not the coach, it's the program." It's even more. Personally, I've worked with and been in a position to work for, work with, hire and fire people from Michigan. In fact, my hiring count sits at 251 As a whole, there is an annoying mindset that permeates M alum like sweat through a T shirt that makes them unlikeable. All things being equal I will always hire a person that did not graduate from Michigan. Their classism and elitism creates a negative (almost hostile) work environment. That school needs to fix EVERYTHING. Unfortunatley, it is most evident to most people only when they play sports.

billygoblue

December 4th, 2014 at 11:21 AM ^

Getting Harbaugh might be expensive, but not getting him could be even more expensive, unless they find a high-profile guy who will inspire the masses.  UM has a much better home schedule next year, and would like to cash in on that ticket wise.  Not sure if they would raise the prices this year, but at least charge the same and also keep the current season ticket holders & maybe build up that old waiting list again.  Otherwise, with the seating fees coming due and then the tickets themselve in the spring --- they might be hearing a lot more -- Who needs two? next fall.

This is big.

 

Also for JH, do it now or forever hold your peace.  If the turns them down & we hire a decent guy who eventually sticks around for 10 years or more, there may not be a next time.  Probably any AD with a memory, would not even call him. 

 

Freep delenda est

RJWolvie

December 4th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^

Serious question. I look at all these signs for great possibilities if we make what turns out to be the right coaching hire (I'm not convinced we'll know it's right when we land him; that comes later, you know, like when he wins or loses a lot) & soon, but then I keep coming back to: but does it matter in the short term, meaning next year, if we don't have a QB (as apparently, we do not). A great coach can coach up the raw talent we have (based on stars) at QB, you say? In a few months with only some of those technically allowed for practice, I wonder? (I don't know the rule, but it's pretty limited, isn't it?) Unless we get lucky with a senior transer, or someone on the QB depth chart turns out to be only not-discovered-yet-due-to-bad-coaching rather than, you know, not any good, I think we're in for at least one more year of bad outcomes on the field.

So that keeps bringing me back to a desperation question: are there any good potential senior-transfer QB options out there? 

Jonesy

December 4th, 2014 at 5:58 PM ^

We have a 5 star junior.  Admittedly he has looked bad so far, but that could be due to coaching.  We will also have a redshirt freshman and a freshman on the roster.  Braxton Miller tore shit up as a freshman as did J.T Barret.  There's no reason to believe that none of those three can be good or at least competent.