Scrimmage Take: But The Defense Is Great? Comment Count

Brian

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why u no push [Bryan Fuller]

Might as well get it out of the way. The offensive line was pretty depressing. For big chunks of the scrimmage it was ones versus twos, which helps resolve the classic intrasquad "is this event good or bad" dilemma: when your second-team defense is stoning your first team offense, it is bad. And they did stone the offense:

The rotation Saturday was more stable in comparison with last season, but the three running backs gained just 33 yards on 20 carries with the first team, and the blocking issues haven’t gone away.

In this case it is maybe less bad than otherwise because there's little separation between Michigan's first- and second-team front sevens. But it is still bad.

One disturbing echo of last year: when Glasgow got dinged up and went out, it was Joey Burzynski who drew into the lineup at right guard on the first team. No offense to Burzynski, but the guy is a 6'1" gentleman coming off of ACL surgery. Surely one of the touted 6'5" guys should be ahead of him on the depth chart by now.

Kalis was out and I imagine he has managed to pass Burzynski, but his presence indicates that Samuelson and Dawson and Bars and so forth and so on are not yet viable options. And where's Bosch? On the second team, yes, but why isn't he pushing for a spot?

I can't tell you too much about any particular lineman without tape, unfortunately… Cole held his own in pass protection, so there's that.

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in yo face [Fuller]

Aggression. If you needed further confirmation it is real, well, it's real. Michigan ran piles and piles of man-to-man—all the better to unleash Peppers on opponents with—and took a number of PI flags ranging from obvious to silly to questionable. They must clean those up, but with Michigan going hell-for-leather in your face this year the QB has to get it on target for it to count.

Encouragingly there weren't many biffs that led to wide open guys in the flat. Wyatt Shallman had one flare-and-run that broke for a bunch of yards when his man got picked off by the route. That will be a danger: if Michigan doesn't have a reasonable amount of zone those plays will be there.

Hello Mr. Hurts. I just misspelled "Hurst" but I'm leavin' it. Mo Hurst burst into the backfield three or four times, once getting a thunderous safety TFL. As a recruit he was reputed to be a first step that happened to be attached to a human body, and that looks on point. No doubt he will have issues holding up to double-teams as a 282-pound redshirt freshman; from here it looks like a promising debut season and considerable excitement going into next year are waiting in the wings.

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[Fuller]

Who is where at DT? And will they stay there? Your nominal starters were, unexpectedly, Matt Godin and Ryan Glasgow at three-tech and nose, respectively. There was a ton of rotation at those spots, so much so that determining a Real Starter seems not only futile but pointless, but if those two guys are actually viable that's interesting. Because it's not like Willie Henry is going away:

He will start; Godin's existence is a nice bonus. I'm a little less enthused about the prospect of Glasgow as a candidate to start at nose because there isn't a groundswell of buzz behind a couple of established players like there is at three-tech. Pipkins has gotten some approving mentions but nothing like that accompanying Henry, and while Mone is set to be a contributor he is a true freshman.

Undeserved lemon? Bolden was first choice at WLB but Morgan rotated in so frequently at both positions it seems like they just have three starters for two spots. Like DT it is at times pointless to think one guy is a starter while the other is not. This bodes well.

Bolden did just annihilate one screen, laying the hardest hit he has on anyone since his arrival. Hesitancy has been the main issue with his game since his arrival. If it has truly clicked for him, that's exciting. He is not beating out a scrub here.

Youth movement at corner. Also in "not beating out a scrub here": Lewis and Peppers are definitely your leaders there; rotation will be frequent. Countess did have an excellent INT on a Gardner throw destined for Funchess, but even so it seems like two returning starters on a decent pass defense have been booted from the starting lineup.

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Darboh and Gardner have chemistry. [Fuller]

Wideout depth is quality. Michigan has their big 5 (Funchess, Darboh, Canteen, Chesson, Norfleet) and then some: Moe Ways brought in four or five catches that were reminiscent of Junior Hemingway, and while he was working on a walk-on wearing 49 for some of those the way he found the ball in the air and brought it in was impressive.

Walk-on Bo Dever showed some promise as a Dileo-type in the slot; he was Speight's favorite target; fellow walk-on Jack Wangler was also reliable. No idea if either has the athletcism or route chops to get real playing time. They've got a chance. FWIW, Stribling had a nice interception on a Dever wheel route that he had blanketed. That is not his jam.

On the negative side, Da'Mario Jones had a bad night, dropping several balls that should have been catches. Jaron Dukes didn't do much.

Oh, and the top end is rather top end.

The first downfield pass was Funchess making a spectacular stab while well covered. Yes, please. In general, the WR/CB matchup looked top-notch all around. Michigan receivers found very few open opportunities and still made some great catches. Freddy Canteen once again reminded Jourdan Lewis that the gypsy he offended needs an apology. And Amara Darboh looked very, very Avant-like on a series of slants and digs that promise to be reliable chain-movers this fall.

If Michigan can pass protect there is the potential for a passing-oriented offense to work here. If.

All the zone reps. Every OL drill in the warmup portion was zone-oriented, and about 90% was inside zone. They worked in pairs against one opponent, reacting to his movements to execute combination blocks, and then worked on IDing and reacting appropriately to stunts. As the scrimmage showed, it is a work in progress. It's going to be a work in progress all year, and all next year, and the year after that. Inside zone is hard and competence is built up over years.

Another safety solution. Hill was held out; in his stead the first team safety combination was Clark and Wilson. The twist: it was Wilson frequently creeping to the line as the strong safety with Clark playing center field.

Gardner looked good. He's fast!. He's still a little wobbly with the decisions. He looked very accurate when given time, and stepped up through pressure more than once. His only flip-around-and-chuck was a ball he was throwing away; he did have one aimless bomb downfield that should have been out of bounds but was instead up for grabs that Nussmeier did not like.

Morris looked a lot more plausible than he did in the spring, more comfortable in the pocket and less prone to throwing directly at defenders.

Injuries. Butt and Hill were in no-contact jerseys; Reon Dawson had an arm in a sling; Delonte Hollowell had a hard cast on one hand for what looked like a thumb issue. Hollowell participated as normal. Drake Harris dressed normally but didn't even take the full warmup reps with his bros. Ty Isaac was held out with something minor, and Kalis had his back issue. He should be back today.

Meanwhile, any and all optimism about Butt's return seems reasonable. He went through warmup drills with everyone else and looked just fine. If he's at the stage where he can plant and cut at full speed with a month before ND he should be ready to go by then.

Return reversal. In a bit of an oddity, it looks like Peppers is more likely to get time as a punt returner than at kick returner, where Raymon Taylor was Norfleet's backup. Usually kickoffs are where you blood new guys because a muff just means you got a touchback or some bad field position instead of disaster.

Hagerup! Booted a 70 yarder, drawing the first applause of the night. #B1G.

The thing that is hilarious. Dennis Norfleet stacked behind Devin Funchess. We do not have a photo of this yet, but when we do… oh, when we do. 

Phil Collins count: 0.

I think we killed it. I didn't mention this all last year because I didn't want to jinx it but after not only the nonstop music from the spring game but also this scrimmage, I think I can finally poke my head out and say: "In The Big House" is dead. Deaaaaaaaaad.

I swear to God, Special K, if you bring it back after I mention this I will find you. That's the best thing about making up a fictional bete noire DJ: you can threaten it all you want.

Formations. Michigan at least showed a lot of stuff, mixing under center snaps with the pistol and shotgun. The formations featured a lot of 2TE looks, and what seemed like a decreased emphasis on the FB. Nussmeier really likes motioning FB/RB/TE types out wide to trips formations, which gives the defense a dilemma: do I run a linebacker out there and tell 'em it's man coverage (and spread the box) or do I live with the potential mismatch that comes when one of my corners is dealing with AJ Williams?

This will get more interesting when Butt is on the field. Right now a 2TE lineup of Williams and Heitzman or Hill is emphatically 2TEs; with Butt you can really put a defense in a bind.

Corner blitz hot reads. Two or three times Gardner IDed a corner blitz and just threw a hot stop route to the vacated corner for nice gains.

FLEET house KO. High five!

Comments

mackbru

August 18th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

So Shallman is going to remain an H-back, right? Would there not be any benefit to making him a FB who actually carries the ball, in the mold of a Chris Floyd? I've always wondered about the benefits of a) using FBs who are never offensive threats and b) H-backs, who tend to receive only spot duty. Seems as if the running FB has become an anachronism. I'm honestly not sure why, and am hoping someone here might be able to explain. 

gte896u

August 18th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^

in BJ Askew's old single-back role. or maybe the way TB used to line up Alstott in their single-back sets. with Hayes or Norfleet as his Warrick Dunn, there is lots of versatility there. especially since there hasn't been much progress on finding a primary ball carrier, as mentioned above.

Voltron is Handsome

August 18th, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^

Gardner played pretty well last season with a terrible offensive line. One would assume that Devin should be better this year, but if the offensive line is as bad or worse this coming season, then we won't really get to see the Devin we expect to see in his fifth year.

Manxman21

August 18th, 2014 at 2:18 PM ^

When is the problem with the o line the quarterback? It's easy to love Devin because of his arm and speed. But I've been through this before with my local NFL team. Check the stats on the Eagles 2012 o line ranked 20. 2013 o line ranked 1. Big change in personnel? Not on the line. The difference was going from a qb with speed and a big arm to a pro style qb who could go through a read progression. Haters will say it's the NFL so it's different. That's what they said about Chip Kelly being a pro coach. Different coach or scheme? Even with Vick playing during the beginning of the 2013 season in the same scheme as Foles the o Ine struggled. The only difference with the line came when the QB changed. When UM goes to a solid read progression qb who can manage the line of scrimmage before the snap and make a quick decision the o line will become great.

Nixon Bluett

August 19th, 2014 at 8:37 AM ^

People complain about slower development in the OL than the rest of the team, but one of the most effective ways to learn how to do something is to have a peer mentor.  This does not exist in the current squad, they're all the same age and level of experience (I exlude Lewan from any development of current players because he was a shit-poor leader).  Having multiple sets of eyes watching the things you do and then critiquing your play is very important.  At this point peer critique within the OL is essentially the blind leading the blind.

The RB's are in essentially the same place.  The difference is, running back is much more about individual development and a single coach can give criticism more fluidly after watching a single player as opposed to a group. 

 

cobra14

August 18th, 2014 at 2:41 PM ^

Is Brian in to tell everyone Devin Gardner looked good? It's one thing to think he is/should be the starter it's another to not see that he struggled not only in the scrimmage but 7 on 7 drills.

markusr2007

August 18th, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^

a. chronic personality disorder on offense? (Borges refused to stop tinkering and just go with something they could perfect over time).

b. bad chemisty among OL players? (Schofield, Lewan returned for senior year, but attitudes and performance of unit still sucked)

c. failure to coach up and improve OL unit during the year (D.Funk. A. Borges, B. Hoke)

d. Youth of the OL unit and of all interchangeable parts: Miller, Glasgow, Kalis, Braden, Bryant, Bars, Magnuson

I re-read this piece from last year. I consider it wise for others to do the same:

http://mgoblog.com/content/preview-2013-offensive-line

Michigan had one (and perhaps two) of the Big Ten's best offensive tackles and still finished 11th in the league in rushing.

Let's just get it over with! Bring on the "Annual Honorary Henry the Otter Preview of the 2014 Michigan Offensive Line®"!

 

WolvinLA2

August 18th, 2014 at 6:24 PM ^

I typically hate the saying "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link" because I think it's often misapplied, but that's very applicable to an offensive line.  It does you no good ot have two future NFL OTs on the OL if the guys in between them suck.  You need all 5 guys to execute blocks on the OL.  If guy 1 absolutely obliterates his guy, but guy 2 whiffs, guy 1's effort is useless.  

You'd rather have 5 guys who are All Big Ten honorable mention than have 2 stars and 3 scrubs like we had last year.  

This year, our best OL won't be as good, but our worst OL should be considerably better.  That will lead to a unit that is improved overall.

the professional

August 18th, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^

Sounds like the o line is terrible when it comes to run blocking and bad to decent in pass protection. I know the coaches want a ground and pound team with Nuss throwing in a deep pass here and there but with what I'm hearing this might not be the best way to win games.

Last year I was dying for some plays that make up for a bad offensive line: WR screens, roll outs, sprint outs, 3 step drops, etc, but they were few and far between. Hopefully Hoke/Nuss are more aware that their dreams of a run first pass second attack need to be changed to a creative pass first offense.  

mgoblue98

August 18th, 2014 at 3:26 PM ^

We should have a pretty good idea how good the O-Line is after the Notre Dame game.  Unlike last year, I expect them to get better as the year progresses.

The fact that there is a corner blitz hot read is a good thing.

MGlobules

August 18th, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^

Angelique, Brian, our most knowledgeable recruiting insider (Sam Webb)--I'm inclined to believe their takes, which are not good. Little or no yardage from the oline and backs after a season of humiliation on that score has, in some sense, to speak for itself. Playing whack-a-mole against those who point it out is. . . delusory. 

If Funk is indeed the problem we will know by the end of this year, because there is no way that all the other coaches will be willing to go down with that ship. But it's hard to believe sheer ineptitude on his part could be the problem. It's pretty unlikely that he'd have remained where he was for so long if he were completely ineffective. Let's just hope this thing begins to cohere. I'm of the opinion that we'll be better that this year, and that the D is going to make this team fun to watch. But I'm gonna cry if Devin's talent gets wasted in (much) the way that Denard's was. 

Sten Carlson

August 18th, 2014 at 4:43 PM ^

I see what you mean, to an extent -- but please read my points above about situational scrimmages and how they usually favor the defense.

I suppose what would be very interesting is to see a survey of other teams and how their offenses do against their own defenses.  I would suspect that not many offensive teams dominate their own defenses in scrimmages -- unless the O is super powerful and the D is rebuilding or something.

I remember when Hoke was hired Michigan was coming off its worst defensive season ever, and it was clear that the mandate was to rebuild a Michigan Defense.  I think we're there.

 

 

BlastDouble

August 18th, 2014 at 5:07 PM ^

comparison has me excited!
Braylon/Avant/Breaston=Funchess/Darboh/Canteen?
Obviously the first group is more than proven in college and NFL, but could the talent be there?

Michigan football

August 18th, 2014 at 5:34 PM ^

Are you telling me after all this talk about spring/summer workouts the OL hasn't improved all? If this line can't block and the coach can't seem  to solve the problem, after all this time, then I guess this will be another messed up season. WTH is going on with OL?

I keep hearing, THIS IS MICHIGAN! Well the MIchigan I grew up with always had a OL, and a very good rep across the nation for that very reason. This cannot be the case, just can't.

Still holding out for the best but if that team goes to South Bend and folds, there needs to be a change. We won't even talk about Oct 24 and Nov 29th.

WolvinLA2

August 18th, 2014 at 6:28 PM ^

I don't think anyone (with knowledge) has said the OL hasn't improved at all.  

People can bitch all they want about the OL, but between RS Jrs and RS Srs, we have one scholarship-recruited player.  Jack Miller, who was a no name recruit, recruited by nobody but us becase RR couldn't recruit the OL.  You guys can blame Funk and Hoke all you want, but you're not going to have a traditional Michigan OL without any Michigan-caliber upperclassmen.

mgoO

August 18th, 2014 at 6:21 PM ^

Peppers and Lewis won't be your starting corners in week one. Probably Countess and Lewis. Taylor will get plenty of run.

Coaches love experience. It was a lame scrimmage 2 weeks before live bullets.

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mgoO

August 23rd, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^

Cobra...nope.

Countess and Taylor starting per Hoke yesterday.

The overreaction to stuff on this board with zero real evidence always amuses me.

Mlumni

August 19th, 2014 at 1:15 AM ^

Can somebody tell me why D Funk is still employed...Why wasn't he fired BEFORE Borges?

We basically have the same O-line coaching team as last year, but somehow we think things will be different.  The scrimmage shows that that our OL still sucks.  

I was so hoping that it would be less painful to watch our games this year.    

Sten Carlson

August 19th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^

"The scrimmage shows that that our OL still sucks."

Auspicious first post!

This is a long(ish) discussion thread dude, and there has been a lot of debate about the why's and wherefor's of taking too much from a situational scrimmage.

Maybe you could read through it a bit and come with something a bit more indepth than the quote I posted above.

IMO, Funk is still employed obviously because Hoke & DB felt that he's not the "problem."  If they did think he was the problem, he would have been fired along with Borges.