Screw It: S-E-C Comment Count

Brian

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So guys. I am considering the inevitable endgame here where the Big Ten adds Georgia Tech and some other program that isn't Pitt to go to 16 teams and this is Michigan's division:

  • Michigan
  • OSU
  • Michigan State
  • Penn State
  • Maryland
  • Rutgers
  • Georgia Tech
  • Purdue Or Something

Michigan would then play members of the other division once every eight years. Goodbye, Iowa, Wisconsin, Little Brown Jug, taking over Ryan Field, etc. It was nice playing you those four times, Nebraska. At that point wouldn't you just be like "screw it" and prefer the following?

SEC NORTH

  • Michigan
  • OSU
  • Georgia
  • Tennessee
  • South Carolina
  • Missouri
  • Vanderbilt
  • Kentucky

Academics? Sure. Academics. This is all about the books.

Comments

snowcrash

November 19th, 2012 at 1:05 PM ^

I think the measure of success for an athletic department is whether it can pay for itself without becoming a drain on the rest of the university. Departments like M and OSU with cash-cow football programs have little trouble breaking even so they pursue status (more titles in minor sports) and expansion (more and better paying jobs for coaches, admins, and other employees within the department), but a school like Maryland or Rutgers might be at risk of losing money and might find it easier to stay afloat if they're going 2-6 in the B1G than if they're going 4-4 in the ACC or 5-3 in the Big East.

The Wolf

November 19th, 2012 at 1:15 PM ^

That being said, I am really beginning to wonder whether the appropriate measure for most atheltic programs in this country (outside of the 20 or so that are profitable) really IS wins and success on the field.  I would never argue that it won't be an appropriate measure of an AD's success, but I'm not convinced that is true for everyone.  Why else would teams line up for the so-called "guarantee" (or, Baby Seal, as we term it) games, etc.?  My guess is that in less than a decade, the money is it bringing in from the B1G will be used to reinstate the 7 or 8 sports they have recently cut, help pay for future expansions/renovations/etc.

Not saying this is how it SHOULD be, how I would LIKE it to be, but IMO, where it IS.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 19th, 2012 at 1:27 PM ^

Consider this a reply to both above comments....but Maryland is, according to this linked article,

on unstable enough financial ground that it recently had to cut seven sports just to make it possible to get out of debt by 2019, an estimate that relies on its football and basketball attendance increasing.

That is an exceedingly dire state of affairs.  On the one hand, you can see why they figured they needed the Big Ten's money.  On the other, that picture of Byrd Stadium is their likely reality for the next several years.  They're being astoundingly stupid if they think being 2-6 in the Big Ten will give them the attendance they need.  For Maryland, this is a Band-Aid move.

MikeCohodes

November 19th, 2012 at 12:33 PM ^

That should be part of the naming requirement for the conference, that we have an n at the end of the spelling for each team beyond 10.  So, when we inevitably expand to 16, we'll now be the Big Tennnnnn.

StephenRKass

November 19th, 2012 at 12:36 PM ^

I am a troglodyte as regards expansion. I hate it and I don't get it. Honestly, I wasn't that thrilled with adding Penn State, and also with adding Nebraska. I don't get it. I just don't get it.

I like the Big 10 with 10 teams. Not with 11. Or 12. Or 14. Or 16. Maryland? Rutgers? What is the world coming to? It just doesn't make sense . . . who is driving this nonsense? Of course, in some way it is about the money. It always is about the money. I can't help thinking about the Churchill quip:

Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?
Woman: My goodness, Mr. Churchill… Well, I suppose… we would have to discuss terms, of course…
Churchill: Would you sleep with me for five pounds?
Woman: Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!
Churchill: Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

The Big 10, with DB complicit, is whoring after the money, and shown that nothing else really matters, no matter what veneer they dress things up with.

sdogg1m

November 19th, 2012 at 1:40 PM ^

The University of Chicago's trustees saw this happening sixty plus years ago! They understood the "student" part of "student-athlete" was being de-emphasized by the year.

I doubt they have changed their minds and I am sure this Big 10 realignment further reenforces their position but they still are a conference member.

Count me in on resurrrecting the University of Chicago's football program if we absolutely have to expand. Also, it's time to start seriously talking about Notre Dame entering the conference. These options are infinitely better solutions than Rutgers and Maryland.

I am dreaming of course as the above will never happen but if it did the excitement would far exceed that of the current proposal.

ChiCityWolverine

November 19th, 2012 at 1:15 PM ^

If you know much about the current D-III programs at U Chicago, you'd realize that plenty of Michigan IM teams would take down the Maroons in many of their varsity sports. A friend of mine from high school goes there and that place may have the most academic and least athletic student body in the country. Okay, Cal Tech probably wins that but it's close.

sdogg1m

November 19th, 2012 at 1:40 PM ^

Oh I am not saying that UC would return to their early glory. I just think if you are going to bring a whipping boy to the conference, you might as well give us one that has tradition with the conference.

The best solution would be to leave the B1G as is and wait to see if better options exist.

Maryland and Rutgers added will only infuriate the fans of existing members.

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 19th, 2012 at 12:34 PM ^

Old traditions give way to new traditions; such is the inevitable march if time.

What makes you think we can't do a take over of UMD instead of just Ryan field? Lots of alumni up there...I can guarantee I would be there every other year if they were in our division.

lhglrkwg

November 19th, 2012 at 12:37 PM ^

we're sacrificing playing the same Big Ten teams we've played for almost 100 years so we can play Maryland and Rutgers. I don't care how much money is in it, this move officially made the B1G expanding a bad thing. I don't want to play those two bottom-feeders, I want to play OUR bottom-feeders. I'd rather play Indiana and Illinois all season than have to play either of those schools once.

And mark my words, Rutgers may be ranked now, but they're going to be a middle of the pack big ten team at best.

Jivas

November 19th, 2012 at 1:19 PM ^

I worry about whether this business model (replacing tight regional and historical ties for large, far-flung markets with no history or commonalities) is stable in the long-run. My affinity for the Big Ten is driven by the fact that the core 9 schools have been playing for over a century; if we're playing Wisconsin or Minnesota once or twice a decade, do I still care for the conference as much? We'll see.

Fuzzy Dunlop

November 19th, 2012 at 12:38 PM ^

I, for one, will by raging against this injustice every other year.  You know, during the 45 minute car ride.  As I am driving my entire family to experience the joy of Michigan football without having to bring two young children on an airplane.  At a stadium where I can have Grandpa and Grandma bring them to their home 15 minutes away when they inevitably want to leave before halftime.

This . . . stinks?

Hardware Sushi

November 19th, 2012 at 12:39 PM ^

Haters! :)

Honestly, I can't wait to see Michigan football/bball/lax play in DC. Move to a nine game conference schedule and we play the opposite division teams almost the same as now.

The sky is not falling. This was going to happen now or in a few years, Notre dame just sped things up.

Ron Utah

November 19th, 2012 at 12:40 PM ^

I'm not interested in joining the SEC...not even a little bit.  While I don't like adding Maryland and Rutgers from the quality of athletics persepctive, it makes sense geographically, academically, and, oh yeah, financially.

Grabbing the DC and New York markets helps us in lots of ways.  For football recruiting, the benefit is relatively minor.  But it's huge for other sports (Basketball, lacrosse).

When we add UVA and VaTech, then we'll be adding fertile football recruiting ground, and that will allow even more "southern creep" where we can snatch-up a few good players every year from the south.

But to get a realistic recruiting footprint in Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, etc., we would need to be playing teams from those states every year...the SEC "North" doesn't give us that.

STW P. Brabbs

November 19th, 2012 at 1:49 PM ^

New Jersey has a lot of people. So does DC. But they either already care about the B1G or they don't care about college football. So getting teams from there means fuck-all. Also, our recruiting looks pretty A-Fucking-OK without these fertile grounds.

bronxblue

November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 PM ^

Meh, it's kind of inevitable.  Might as well get some good schools in the process.  I'd hate to be fighting over some no-nothing school like Rut...oh...never mind.

Actually, not a horrible make-up.  GT is a decent little player nationally, has great academics, and always seems a bit out of place in the SEC.  Maryland is a fit geographically.  It could be worse - you could be Texas playing WVU.

Niels

November 19th, 2012 at 12:45 PM ^

Here are the assmuptions the B1G seem to be making 

1) There are increasing returns to conference "n" and potentially costs to staying put, regardless of what is out there.

2) Contiguous state footprint is important. Since there are no NE schools of note that would be a good fit (sorry BC) and there is always going to be some ACC/Big east overlap, capture DC-NYC corridor and hope that NE cable providers will (per below) add in BTN. Leave the SE to be a three-way fight btwn SEC/ACC/BIG 12. 

3)  Alumni will be packing the stadiums at Rutgers and MD. I think this is not a wonderful idea even if it turns out to be correct: you want robust home crowds....

 

4) WRT cable contracts, the question(s) are:

A) What is the additional likelihood that bundles in the Megalopolis will get BTN 

and/or

B) What is the expected marginal value of existing price per viewer for bundling BTN? 

They had better hope that the answers to A) and B) are "a lot"

Feat of Clay

November 19th, 2012 at 12:52 PM ^

I just went to the Big East website to refresh my memory as to it membership.  I clicked on one school and the site almost immediately launched a big video ad for a car.  Amatuer Hour.

FrankMurphy

November 19th, 2012 at 12:51 PM ^

This makes no sense whatsoever. People keep saying 'money', but I don't even understand how this could bring any financial benefit to the conference. No one on the East Coast cares about Maryland or Rutgers football. They're not going to convince East Coast cable operators to put BTN on a basic cable tier based on Maryland and Rutgers. Hell, it took them a whole year to convince Comcast to put BTN on a basic cable tier in the existing Big Ten footprint. And as for recruiting, Maryland and New Jersey have never been known as particularly talent-loaded states. The elite Big Ten programs can already go into those states and have their pick of the top prospects precisely because there are no local elite programs to compete with. I don't see how having a presence there benefits the conference in recruiting.

This really makes no sense whatsoever.  

TartanAlex

November 19th, 2012 at 12:53 PM ^

It's not just about the BTN (though it is partly about the BTN) but about all the TV monies. the new contract is up to for negotiation in 2017. Adding states with a population of 15 million people to the Big Ten "footprint" makes a difference to the expected value of that contract. It probably also increases the value of the BTN too.

TartanAlex

November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 PM ^

If - unlikely as it may be - we stick at 14 teams but expand to schedule nine conference games then, then playing three teams from the other division each year but scrapping protected cross-overs means you could ensure that you'd play everyone at least four times a decade. Hardly ideal but not much worse than at present.

Even with a 16 team "conference" you would be playing every team in the other division once every four years, not once every eight. Assuming, that is, a 9 game schedule and no protected "rivalry".

WolvinLA2

November 19th, 2012 at 12:53 PM ^

If we go to nine conference game, the problem of playing teams less often isn't really an issue, right? Maryland or Rutgers takes the place of a probably equal OOC opponent.

BlueNote

November 19th, 2012 at 12:55 PM ^

Rutgers is not next.  Instead, we are bringing back original Big Ten member University of Chicago into the fold. 

The Maroons shall rise from the ashes!