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October 11th, 2008 at 8:21 PM
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Schadenfreude

so i'm back from the game and wanted to share my opinions for the flaming of
others.

first off, god we're terrible.  for reasons unknown to me i drive from
grand rapids to ann arbor to get stabbed in the eyes with pure terror. 
I'm going to be especially hard on the team because we lost to a one win Mac
school, a school that got blown out by arizona, FIU, and ball state.

Offense:

at the start of the year rich said that he would adapt the offense to the
team, the qb didn't have to be a running qb.  I’ve seen signs of OMG
threet is the man!!! and OMG does he have his contacts in?!?! his strong point
has seemed to be the deep ball, he'll over throw a screen and then hit a guy 20
yards down the field.  i understand that the spread is like a fast version
of the west coast offense (fucking lions) so there are a lot of short passes
and your people have to get YAC to make things look right.  the problem is
that he hasn't gone away from the short passes that we can't compete with and
mixed in some longer passes that may help us move the ball.  the opposing
defense knows what we're going to do, are we predictable??  there were a
few times where toledo (F-ING TOLEDO!!!) blew our screens up in the backfield
because they knew what was coming...seriously toledo (F-ING TOLEDO!!!)  if
we at least threatened the deep ball it may keep the defense honest when we run
screens, right now they're selling out and blowing us up.

obviously i didn't know that threet was hurt when i was at the game, but he
has NO rhythm when he is running the offense. 
he looks slow and confused out there. 
when he’s running the offense it looks like the slowest no huddle ever, i
swear it looks slower than if we actually huddled.  sheridan came in and the offense looked like
it was a cohesive unit and actually moved the ball, the problem was that when
he needed to throw my heart stopped, not because of what happened today, but
earlier in the year.  i know everyone
says that feagin isn’t ready to play, but if we’re not going to throw the ball
over 5 yards, why not put feagin in and let him run.  sheridan was basically running the wing T out
there.

on the funny side when minor lined up on the field the guy behind me goes “finally,
they need to give minor the ball” to which i responded “yeah we haven’t had a
fumble all game” and what happens?!?!? fumble city, good thing he made it in
the endzone.

Defense:

OMG trent can’t cover.  i have decided
that he can’t back peddle, he has to turn his head and find the ball and then turn
his back to it and catch up to the receiver, while booboo can just back peddle
and look fantastic.  what the hell took
so long to get booboo in the game?!?! it took an injury to get him some playing
time, and he looked great.

it seemed like we were playing a lot of zone coverage because they’re
receivers (#1!!) were always open like 5 yeard down the field with two guys
behind them.  what’s the point of having
two defenders behind the receivers??

i think our defense is allergic to 3 and outs

the guy that sits behind me is a very rational guy that typically doesn’t
call for anyone’s head (other than hermann), but he was calling for shafer’s
after this game.  i sort of agree.

i get that we only have up 6 point on defense and one was playing with a  short field, but our defense doesn’t wake up
until the other team has driven 30 or 40 yards. 
the lack of 3 and outs allows the other team to control the clock and
keep out potent (HA!) offense on the bench. 
we’re bending but not breaking, but god are we bending a long way.

special teams:

did anyone notice that the long snapper from Toledo had to arc the ball to
get it to the punter?? it was hilarious. zoltan...ZOLTAN!!! enough said.

Rodriguez said "I'm just extremely disappointed and embarrassed”,
me and you both…me and you both.it seems like we're getting worse as the season goes on, not better

before the game starts we have a montage that goes and people say “We are
Michigan”, no we’re not, “we are 2007 notre dame”

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October 11th, 2008 at 8:46 PM
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Can you give examples of all

Can you give examples of all the deep balls Threet has completed this year?  Thanks.

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:09 PM
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anything that forces him to

anything that forces him to throw the ball between 5 and 10 years would be long

there was a pass to hemingway in the utah game, to odoms in the miami game(7 or 8 yards and he ran forever), today to minor, and there were a few more.

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:13 PM
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And now how many that he has

And now how many that he has NOT completed?

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:17 PM
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"You miss 100 percent of the

"You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." -Wayne Gretzky

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:33 PM
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"Insanity: doing the same

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
~Albert Einstein

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:47 PM
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like throwing the bubble

like throwing the bubble screen that we can't seem to block for?

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October 11th, 2008 at 10:04 PM
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I don't recall seeing many

I don't recall seeing many bubble screens today or last week.  In fact, I remember massive bitching last week that we DIDN'T call enough bubble screens.

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:45 PM
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And Threet's not playing hockey

Where they don't have interceptions.

But perhaps he should consider a new sport.  I'll mention that next time I see him on campus. 

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:51 PM
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they don't have interceptions

they don't have interceptions in hockey?!?!?!? i'm pretty sure they are MUCH more previlant in hockey.  when't the last time you're seen a game?

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October 13th, 2008 at 9:59 AM
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And I wish our offense ..

".....60% of the time it works, every time. "
    -Brian Fantana "Anchor Man"

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:31 PM
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The title of this post is

The title of this post is very misleading.  (Schadenfreude is German for "pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.")

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:50 PM
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yeah i looked the word up too

yeah i looked the word up too when brian started his series for aol, but in it he's giving an over view of people freaking out because their team lost...like my post

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October 12th, 2008 at 10:23 PM
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Correct use of the term would

Correct use of the term would be looking at the situation at Auburn or Wisconson for comfort.  Both of those teams were supposed to be great (on paper) and have thus far been failures.

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:43 PM
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Gater's not a real intellectual

You might have noticed that by now.

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October 11th, 2008 at 9:49 PM
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what about my statements are

what about my statements are not intellectual?

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October 11th, 2008 at 10:21 PM
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The problem is...

Every point you makes seems to contradict the last

"OMG, why isn't RR adapting to his players by running <some other offense>"

"Hey, has anyone noticed that our quarterbacks can't throw the ball, run the ball, or hand off the ball?"

Which offense would Threet and our O line magically be good at?  Pro style?  Throw long bombs either 20 yards from the receiver or directly to an opposing cornerback?

 

"OMG, fire Shafer!"

"I get that our defense gave up only 3 points on a legit drive and 3 points on a short field, and that they were on the field constantly due to the inability of the offense to get in rhythm"

Clearly you don't get it.  Otherwise you'd realize that 6 points is a good defensive performance.

 

As for Notre Dame 2007, you are stupid.  Notre Dame was getting blown out in every game.  Their losses were for by an average of like 28 points.

Basically, you are the lowest common denominator of Michigan fan.  If you want to critique this team, please come up with an argument that is at least coherent.

And get a dictionary before you use words like Schadenfreude. Unless you took pleasure in this loss, which doesn't seem to be what you're saying.

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October 11th, 2008 at 10:39 PM
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I think you may have missed

I think you may have missed something, like the post...

rich said that he adapts his offense to fit the players...i didn't say that

our qb's can run and hand off the ball...i don't remember those arguments

i never said anything about changing the offense, just tweeking it, obviously we're not good at it as is

sort of agreeing with someone who wants to get rid of the guy is an "OMG"?

i'll give you the fact that the defense is on the field a lot because our offense can't string a few first downs together, but they can't get 3 and outs against a terrible mac team either

"i get that we only have up 6 point on defense and one was playing with a  short field, but our defense doesn’t wake up
until the other team has driven 30 or 40 yards. "  i'm pretty sure that's what i said ;)

in 2007 notre dame had 3 wins, about what we'll have at the end of the season.  you don't get extra wins for only losing by 3 every game.  also they averaged losing by 21 points (i know math is hard)

i know i typed a lot of words in my first post, but before flaming it (like i said people would), please read it :-)

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October 12th, 2008 at 1:36 AM
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Sorry Gater, Maracle's

Sorry Gater, Maracle's dead-on. The defense giving up 6 points total, while being on the field for the majority is a solid performance, 3 and outs or not.

I'll take giving up 6 points with no 3 and outs over giving up 30, chock full of 3 and outs, any day. 

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October 11th, 2008 at 10:03 PM
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Everyone is saying the buzz

Everyone is saying the buzz words "changes" "new coaching staff" "next year"  He should be able to beat a 1 win (now 2!!) MAC team with what he has.  Even if they don't know the system well enough the skill difference should create an advantage.

Like Weis said "then we'll listen to Michigan have all their excuses as they come
running in and saying how they have a new coaching staff and there's
changes."  I keep hearing the excuses about the coaching staff being new, which we would need if we could just win a few games.

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October 12th, 2008 at 11:57 AM
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couple things

Have you noticed the "talent level" of our offensive line?  See this:

http://mgoblog.com/content/what-happened-offensive-line

Our talent there is not much better than a good MAC class.  That horrible 2004 class with low star OL was a gamble that we could develop them.  That gamble was lost.  I say gamble because most OL recruits don't get many stars because we know little about them by watching their games.  Only the TRUE standouts get extra stars.  So we took a few low star guys, they got extra stars for picking up a Michigan offer, so instead of being 2* guys they got a 3rd *.  Go figure they ended up not being so good.  I'm half worried about the freshmen right now.  

At Georgia Tech, Threet couldn't even beat out the backup to Reggie Ball for the starting job.  If this kid played a little bit closer to his supposed 4* potential, we would probably be in a bit better position right now.  As it is, we can't throw downfield.  We can barely throw short routes because there is no deep threat and the accuracy problem.  I blame the lack of having a competent quarterback than I do coaching.

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October 12th, 2008 at 8:37 PM
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Uhh, the fact that Reggie

Uhh, the fact that Reggie Ball, as a 4th year senior, was ahead of Steven Threet, a freshman, isn't exactly surprising.  A better question is why would a coach that actually played Reggie Ball ever be considered a good judge of talent?

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October 12th, 2008 at 3:09 AM
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It's True

The offense stinks.  It's not the "system" it's not "WTF we should throw more"...it's the players.  They are GREEN.  Is anyone, HONESTLY surprised at this?  They put up a whopping 10 points.  Meanwhile the D was great, considering the fact that they have to back up those sad sacks on O.  If we had anything close to a real offense (again not the system or playcalling) this game would have been 35-0.

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