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Rushing Offense was good but...

Brian just posted the rushing numbers from the past years to show that this years rushing numbers were actually above average for a Michigan team in the last eight years. But the real problem this year was the passing. So here we go:

2001: 6.49 ypa
2002: 6.41 ypa
2003: 7.40 ypa (WTF Navarre)
2004: 6.74 ypa
2005: 6.53 ypa
2006: 7.67 ypa (WOO Henne)
2007: 6.77 ypa
2008: 5.08 ypa (wa wa wa wa)

This has to improve for the offense to take any steps forward.

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November 25th, 2008 at 1:18 PM | so, we kinda already knew (Score:1)
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that was a problem...you know, cuz Sheridan was our QB at the end of the year. Threet wasn't much better throwing either. But that was actually one of the points Brian was making. The running game was still decent with a make-shift Oline and no downfield passing threat--which puts more people in the box to stop the run.

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November 25th, 2008 at 1:30 PM | Yes everyone knew passing was the problem.. (Score:1)
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I just wanted to put it into statistical(word?) terms, a la Brian, to show just how bad they were this year.

Also, how suprisingly good they were in 2003 with Navarre.

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November 25th, 2008 at 1:34 PM | i still don't understand (Score:1)
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why ppl talk down about Navarre. He wasn't THAT bad, and he did make it to the NFL.

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November 25th, 2008 at 1:38 PM | I know its not saying much, (Score:1)
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I know its not saying much, but, before this year, his career was probably the worst out of any Michigan quarterback (over his whole career) in most commenters memory.

That said, yes, he wasn't that bad, especially after this year.

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November 25th, 2008 at 1:43 PM | Navarre took some time to (Score:0)
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Navarre took some time to grow up, but his 2003 is one of the best seasons ever by a Michigan QB.

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November 25th, 2008 at 1:42 PM | Navarre was kinda awesome the (Score:1)
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Navarre was kinda awesome the second half of his senior year.

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November 25th, 2008 at 2:13 PM | Hello? (Score:1)
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Navarre's 2003 offense was the highest scoring offense (460 pts) since Yost's Point-A-Minute teams of 1901-05.

Navarre graduated as Michigan's career leader in passing yards. If you gave him time to throw he would carve up a defense.
There's virtually no difference between Henne.2006 and Navarre.2003.

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November 25th, 2008 at 2:38 PM | The 2003 O... (Score:1)
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The 2003 offense had so many good players. Navarre and Perry had their best seasons. Braylon, Avant, Breaston @ wideout.

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November 25th, 2008 at 3:25 PM | I don't think YPA is the (Score:1)
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I don't think YPA is the problem. It's just a symptom of a poor completion percentage. Rushing YPC is more important than YPA. YPA only comes into play when you have a high completion percentage and low YPA, which means you should probably worry about your playcalling.

2002: 54.9
2003: 59.7
2004: 59.8
2005: 58.2
2006: 62.2
2007: 53.2
2008: 48.8

So yeah. This doesn't really say anything we didn't already know, but I think it's more telling than the YPA. Of note, Threet was 51.0, which is still worse than either Henne or Navarre but closer to the bottom end of both, while Sheridan was 46.0, which is Brutal.

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November 25th, 2008 at 4:54 PM | Yards per attempt is the (Score:1)
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Yards per attempt is the better number. Like yards per rush measures the average gain per running play, yards per attempt measures the average gain per passing play, thus incompletions need to be factored in. Are you a good passing team if you throw 2 complete passes for 50 yards and 8 incomplete passes? Your yards per completion is 25 making it seem like you are a good passing team, but that is clearly misleading.

An incomplete pass is analogous to a rush for no gain, and both need to be figured in to a teams passing and rushing performance, respectively.

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November 25th, 2008 at 4:59 PM | Completion % and YPA are both (Score:1)
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Completion % and YPA are both pretty good to use. In theory, YPA should be better because it is an all-encompassing figure, but football strategy seems to favor consistency as much as yardage. I think that this is ultimately why a lot of teams still favor the running game even though 5 ypc is good but 5 ypa is terrible.

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November 25th, 2008 at 4:33 PM | Navarre had an excellent (Score:1)
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Navarre had an excellent senior year although it took him a few games to get started. Up until the Rose Bowl, the team scored at least 27 points every game.

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November 25th, 2008 at 4:47 PM | The fact (Score:1)
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that we regularly hovered around an extremely average YPA of 6.5 when we had oodles of talent on offense is a testament to how stagnant we had become.

Of course we sucked passing this season. When this offense clicks, though, 7.5 YPA should be about the norm.

I said - not good enough.

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