Just saw this on Sportsnation (which immediately proved its validity as a sports show by following the story with a video of a kitten riding on a roomba) Apparently Rich Rod stated something to the effect of walk ons possibly starting in the fall. Thoughts?
Rodriguez wants more out of walkons?
And as far as walk-ons starting, UM could start a walk-on Kicker and if things go bad again, a walk-on QB.
KC Lopata was a walk on... so we already started a walk on kicker and qb
Thanks. That's interesting and everything but the OP was asking about walk-ons starting this year.
Haven't read much from freep since they stopped home delivery. Thanks for the link.
the GBMW guys also tipped Van Slyke as a candidate at safety.
I saw that too. This is nothing new. RR is looking to bring a lot of walk-on's into the program to increase the competition.
Walk ons have always been important to Rich Rodriguez programs. I don't think he said they would necessarily be starting in the fall, as much as he was saying they will be important in the future.
We had a couple "preferred walk ons," which passed up scholarship offers to walk on for us this past year.
I see it as a good thing, because he's not spending a scholarship, and you know the kid really wants to play for us. He's had walk ons that have been huge for him in the past also.
If you are Michigan, and you are trying to win national championshipts (allegedly)--yet you are starting walk-ons...
A) They are reallllly good walk ons
B)Things ain't so great
Walk-ons provide depth (outside the two deep most of the time, but occasionally there too), and many times a good player appears who was formerly a walk-on. Both Rodriguez and Beilen have been walk-ons, so they understand this.
I think its more about finding the occasional diamond in the rough e.g Brian Griese.
Also being a preferred walk on is good deal. They get any leftover scholarship money and free meal plans so it's not set but they do get something
The "Griese was a walk-on" meme makes for a good story, but it's misleading. Griese was a regular recruit who happened to commit after we'd run out of scholarships. Moeller promised him a scholarship as soon as one came open, and one did when he was freshman.
Please see Nebraska in the 90's. They had a huge walk-in program under Osborne and look how that turned out. He came and spoke with my college team and he said walk-ons were one of the biggest reasons his teams were successful. If used properly they can be very successful!
And again, the anomaly takes over as the rule. Where Nebraska benefitted most from the walk-on program was in the afforementioned depth issue. They had the occassional receiver or fullback walk-on who made it (Mackovicka) and the also had, every now and then, an offensive lineman work his way up.
Most Nebraska kids want like HELL to be a Husker. What you had were kids who would shun offers to play at schools like Wyoming or UNLV or even Iowa State to walk-on at Good Ol State U.
But their skill guys, the ones who really put them on the road to national championships, were always out of state recruits like Tommy Frazier, Grant Wistrom, Trev Alberts, Mike Rozier, etc.
And what about the way RichRod is doing this makes you think he isn't going to be mostly using the walk-ons mostly to supplement out-of-state talent outside of the occasional walk-on that works his way up?
And I like walk ons; I just go back to my original point: It's scary when you have to use them, unless they are scary good.
That is all.
The bottom line is, the best players play. If they're the best at their position, then I'm glad we brought them on, because what would we do if we hadn't? (does that make sense)
If they're playing, then that means they're the best at that position. I don't care if they're a walk on or a former number one recruit. Put the best kids on the field.
If a walk-on is playing, it could also mean a couple of other things, neither of which are good:
1) We have suffered quite a few injuries
2) We are frighteningly weak talent-wise at certain positions
I think that goes along with what Tom is saying - regardless of the reason, injury, weak talent, anything - if a walk-on is playing, he's the best player we have available at that position. If he hadn't walked on, we would have whoever is behind him playing, who is obviously not as good.
Coach Rod plans to get his fullbacks from the ranks of the walk-ons. I like that approach since they are relatively difficult to unearth in high school.
Plus, using a number of walk-ons as depth on the offensive and defensive ilnes is not a bad thing. If it happens that your starting DT is hurt, and Michigan is playing, say, UMass next year, why not rotate in a walk-on DT, get him some playing time and experience, and rest that vital player?
Now, if we see Furrha or Kennedy at QB this year other than the fourth quarter against Delaware State, yikes.
There have been a bunch of successful walk-ons at major programs all across the country. They usually don't play until they have had a few years in the program, so they are mentally and physical mature. Some are late bloomers, some just got over-looked during high school recruiting and others are overachievers. They make your program stronger since they usually have great attitudes, are solid students and don't whine. Also, look at all the good NFL players from smaller colleges. Just like walk-ons, they weren't rated very well or at all by the Rivals and Scouts of the world.
I don't think anyone expects M to be lead by walk-ons either. But having a large walk-on program can certainly help for depth and practice purposes, if nothing else. And then maybe every couple years there's a guy who can step up and contribute somehow. Owen Schmitt was a walk-on under RR, if a guy like him came around even once every 10 years it would be worth it.
It will probably be the same situation as at Nebraska. A guy has an offer from Western or Eastern, but knows that he probably has zero shot at the NFL, so he decides to walk-on at Michigan where he gets a shot to play for the team whose logo hung in his bedroom since he was 5. You end up with a degree from a better school, you get to play for the team you grew up cheering for, and you get to hang out with future NFLers. Not a bad gig.
I live in Omaha (originally from Mich) and that is one thing people here say all the time about why they were so good. That, and they had one of the best, if not THE best, S & C program.
I definitely see strong similarities (albeit limited similarities) between 90's Nebraska and us now. Hopefully the end results will be similar as well.
They had what was pretty much accepted as the best walk-on program in the country. Walk-ons can be "late bloomers" and really help a program out. Also, of course, they sometimes turn out to be pretty decent coaches.
but I hope they don't start in the major positions. If a walk-on could make a major impact on kick-off or kick-return and allow a recruit to redshirt, I dig it.
Oh that must have been why Colin Cowturd was ripping on Michigan football today. Saying something like the program has erroded so much they are looking at walk-ons to start.
Colin Cowturd is so lowbrow; go with "Coward".
Nothing wrong with Walk-ons. Competition brings the best out of everyone.
Who knows, maybe we'll net a productive player or two out of it all as well.
is that Rodriguez was a walk-on himself at WVU. Understandably, that has helped shape his views on the value of a walk-on program.
The importance to Nebraska of the walk-on program established by Osborne wasn't limited to the practice field and Saturdays. Since walk-ons don't get the scholarship aid that recruited players do, Nebraska fans in large numbers across the Lincoln community took in many walk-on players as boarders in their private households, which meant that the walk-ons became sort of surrogate sons and family members for many of these Lincoln families. That in turn generated a huge amount of fan enthusiasm on game day, since these fans would hope to see these kids get in some game time. This was one of the most popular aspects of the program that Osborne ran, after winning a shitload of games, of course.
Which makes Bill Callahan's decision to gut the walk-on program one of the more mystifyingly stupid decisions that any college coach has made in recent years. In one fell swoop he needlessly pissed off a significant portion of the local Husker fan base, and they were only too happy to see his ass booted out of town when his teams struggled on the field.
I went through this whole thing and did not see the name Mark Moundros mentioned ONCE. Shame!
This is a wasted article from the freep. Can't wait for game day. The media is struggling to find topics.
Wasted? I think his commitment to the kids from the state of Michigan is quite commendable. It's refreshing to hear some positive news.
this out there for the mainstream media who claims that Dantonio is doing a "better job" with the instate players.
Put aside the fact that MSU has 107 players on its fall 2009 roster and Michigan has 126. The facts remain that:
Michigan State has 57 Michigan players on its fall 2009 roster.
Michigan has 59 Michigan players on its fall 2009 roster.
Seems to me walk-ons could be really useful on special teams