Rivals preview listed the returning starters on offense as 6, that is some pretty good research since we lost Massey and Threet that would be 10 returning starters.
no, YOU'RE off topic
McGuffie was a starter for a time.
So was Minor, Odoms, Mathews, Stonum, Koger, and the entire offensive line. That makes ten.
I noticed that too. Returning starters they didn't list: a WR (Stonum), a TE (Koger) another G (Ferrera) and an RB (Minor). My only thought it that they looked at the guy who started the season at those positions, which would make sense since Butler and McGuffie aren't returning and none of those four began the year starting (or did Stonum?) But really, it's retarded.
I'm pretty sure Stonum didn't start the year. Remember, Hemingway was around at the beginning of the year, and Savoy started several games due to his blocking skills.
I was wrong. Stonum was the starter against Utah.
I think they are looking at who started the first game of the season, which I think is fair, unless of course the preferred starter was out the first game and started the rest of the season.
I don't remember who left during the off season but I think there were one or two receivers that left who may have started the first game.
No receivers left. I can't remember for sure who started game one, but it was either Stonum or Hemingway and they are both back. And whoever started the first game last year at the other guard spot, he is returning too since none of them left.
If a "returning starter" is only someone who started the first game of the year, then that's a pretty silly way to define that.
Ortmann, McAvoy, Molk, Moosman, and Schilling were the OL starters at the beginning of the year.
And all those guys return. Why isn't McAvoy listed as a returning starter? Because he didn't start the whole season? I feel like you need to use "the guy who started game one" or "the starter at the close of the season" but not both. Teams change their starting line-ups all the time, and if Threet had returned I would feel like I was telling the truth if I said we had every starter returning.
Is Sheridan included in the returning six since he started the first game of the year?
He is not. I'm thinking that the criteria is nearer to "started X number of games last season" or something like that. The guys they listed were starters for essentially the whole season, and the guy they didn't list (Minor, Koger, Stonum and Ferrera) had some games where they weren't the starter. However, if there is a position like the OG or WR spots where all of the players who rotated at that position are returning, that needs to be counted as a returning starter. If they want to say our starter for last year at RB was McGuffie and he isn't returning, fine. But you can't say that we're only returning 2 of 3 receivers or 4 of 5 OL when every player at those positions on our team is returning.
I'm sure they are going from opening day or something, but my point is how misleading that is. To not have Minor and Koger as a returning starter is silly. Every WR on the roster returns so just pick a guy whoever it is they are returning. If they only use 3 WR's then they left off Moundros.
Good thing they are not doing my preview reports for gambling in the next year, you see 6 and 4 returning starters you would think we lost a bunch of studs from last year and were headed for a down year.
It seems like a pretty pointless argument. Wouldn't a better metric be "positions in which Michigan returns a player who significantly contributed the previous year?" By that metric the only position we're lacking is QB and TE, depending on if you count if Sheridan actually "contributed." On defense, we'd have like 2 on the DL, 2 LB's and 2 in the secondary maybe? So by my very unofficial count, that would be 16 of 22, or 17 of 24 if you want to count the kickers.
I don't know how you don't include TE. Koger was our starter for nearly the entire year, certainly our biggest contributor at that position. Do you disagree?
No, I don't disagree (sorry for the triple negative). When I said 10 returning contributors, I meant to say that the only position we weren't returning a contributor was at QB. It's probably pretty arbitrary to not count him and count others, but I just don't see him "contributing" again this year, so I wouldn't count him.
For a list like a "returning starters" list to have value, IMO, it should be "who played a lot last year and is likely to do so again." I'd say Sheridan fails the second prong (hopefully).
I certainly agree that QB shouldn't be counted since our largest contributor from last year is gone. That is the only position where that is the case.
In OSU's preview, are they not going to count TP as the returning starter at QB? Anyone in their right mind would say that he is, but according to this criteria it would seem that he wouldn't.