The rivals position rankings are out and most of Michigan's committs and recruits that hold us in high regard are 3 star prospects. Cullen Christian, Lo Wood, Corvin Lamb, Austin White...
courts be like "why is it a problem if people get money"
Hehe, so last year everyone said Scout sucked for rating alot of commits lower than Rivals, and now this year it looks like it's going to be the opposite.
is that the desired response?
im kind of happy that almost everyone got 3*, i was wondering if some would be even lower
You'll love this then... D.J. Williamson - unranked
seriously stop with it. a lot of this info is based off of their JR year in high school. what would you rather have a kid that is a 3* player now that moves up to a 4 or 5* or have 4 or 5* star player now that drops to a 3 or 2* player???
I'm thinking people are hoping for the 4 and 5 stars that stay 4 and 5 stars. Given the two options you listed I'm sure everyone would take the first but I think people are hoping for what I mentioned.
No doubt that they have their senior year to move up to a 4*, which some probably will, but what makes you think that they won't drop? There are rarely any 4 or 5*'s that drop to a 2 or 3.
have been going the extreme. but 5 stars do drop to 4 stars. i seem to remember a white running back that every one loved droped from a 5 to 4 (per scout) during his SR year. i was just trying to prove a point thats all.
On Rivals, White Lightning was never a 5-star guy. He was originally a low 4-star and fans always complained that he was underated. I think he actually went up in his senior year instead of the other way around.
5* that dropped to a 3*. I know it's Bball, but it is not unheard of. These services only have so many people on the ground so getting to see every kid is near impossible. DJ had a very good soph year, but was hurt last year by poor QB play and increased attention from D's. Williamson also recently ran a 10.6 100. Not quite Denard speed.....
I'm hoping for good players, even if they're rated in hamburgers or snowmen.
Snowman-designated recruits are immeasurably more coveted than those consigned to mere stars. Renaldo Sagesse was a 13.2-snowman safety coming out of high school....secondary school....Canada.
I agree that it is too early for the recruiting ranking hand-wringing.
But aren't some of you guys the same people who jump down people's throats for "recruiting rankings don't matter because Pat White"?
IMO, way to much emphasis on Stars and fake 40's. Appears to me RR wants great athletes who love football and love to compete.
RR has an excellent track record as a College Head Coach, so until he proves otherwise, I am in his corner and feels he knows quite well what he is doing.
Being able to forecast the developing mental make-up distinctions between say a 22 year old Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf is muy dificil.
Nothing makes any sense anymore.
man i wish they were rated in hamburgers. Then every one would complain were getting triple patty burgers instead of quadruple patty burgers.
We must be fatties.
Christian is the first 3* CB, I have to imagine with a good SR year he will be a 4*. Rashad Knight is the last 4* CB, Mathis is the #8 CB and a solid 4*.
What does this all mean? It means for some reason I want a double cheeseburger.
Just looked on Rivals for Utah from 2005-2008 classes
Heavens to Betsy!!!
2008 team record 13-0
You've got to be kidding me? Why does someone always have to bring up a team that had a good season without top recruiting. They play in a weak conference. They BARELY beat us, a 3-9 team. If you think that team could have gone 13-0 in a BCS conference you're dillusional. So by your method of thinking that means Michigan can get three 4*'s in the next 3 years and we'll be playing for the national championship? Lame argument!
I don't think he was implying that we could be national championship contenders with such poor recruiting. He's just pointing out that good recruiting isn't always necessary for a good season.
Also, Utah capped off the season by beating Alabama. Weak conference or not, that was a pretty good victory.
Not only that, but also, some of the Utah recruits may have been undervalued coming out of HS. In the same time frame Michigan recruits may have been overvalued. I think the 2 schools had roughly the same amount of players drafted to the NFL this year.
Class rankings are best analyzed in hindsight. 3,4,5 Star rating is just a snapshot of a players development. Player development is a dynamic process and somewhat hard to forecast. Based on RR prior success he might just be a decent talent evaluator
Just the new "Mike Hart was a 3 star, Kevin Grady was a 5 star" lame exceptions-citing argument, on a broader team level?
I mean - does anyone here really think consistently finishing in the 50s in recruiting will lead to undefeated seasons? If not, then why does citing one exception (which essentially proves the rule) really mean much?
Yes. A team has gone undefeated without recruiting well. Stipulated. 99% of the other undefeated teams historically crushed it in recruiting (relatively speaking).
With that said, again, too early too early too early, to discuss rankings.
There are multiple exceptions of weak recruiting turning into good teams. A few recent examples are Boise State, Utah, and West Virginia. None of those teams won the national championship, but I think most of us would be pretty happy with 11-2 or something like that.
And if our coaches can be equally adept at coaching these 4-stars up - since we DON'T recruit as poorly as WVU, Utah, or BSU - then that would be an excellent thing.
I'm not saying it's likely that we'll go 13-0 if we recruit a bunch of Antonio Kinards and Drew Dileos. Luckily, we're not.
Good coaching can do amazing things. I think that's the point.
There are a lot of programs that don't "recruit" well but are successful most years (some even incredibly successful, like the teams you cited): BC, GT, etc. also come to mind.
I just don't think citing Utah's season moves the ball here. Don't we all think recruiting matters? I do. Don't we all think coaching matters? I do. The best teams, year in year out, will have both. UM is going to have both, so I'm not worried, I just don't like citing extremes to prove a point.
I am not "proving a point". I do think RR is a good evaluator off talent, knows what he wants, and can develop the talent he recruits.
Thanks that is exactly the point.
Andre Smith being suspended and not playing in the bowl game certainly helped Utah's cause in upsetting 'Bama.
I'm not sure you can attribute 21 unanswered points to the absence of an offensive tackle, no matter how good he is.
but, if you remember, Bama's O line was in dissaray for most of the game. I wouldn't be so quick to downplay the impact of losing the best left tackle in college football had on their offense. They really didn't move the ball well in that first half.
This is my pet BCS bowl theory (which admittedly allows me to dismiss the losses of OK and Bama in recent years): if you are in a BCS bowl that is not the title game, motivation is lower than a regular season game because you missed out on the title shot and the game means nothing. And if you are playing a non-BCS school you should beat, lower that incentive even further. Then the non-BCS team comes in with everything in the world to prove ("we belong with these guys"). You then have the perfect situation for an upset. I don't think in any way, that Utah and Boise's wins proved anything at all. Especially that they "belong" in the same discussions as BSC schools. Bama and OK win those games 9 out of every 10.
You're basing your analysis on TALENT. Motivation is a big factor in sports and in life. There are plenty of "smart" people with little motivation, and therefore hardworking people pass them up.
Part of playing football is being motivated to do so. If you can't get hyped up to play your opponent - no matter who they are - then you have failed as a team.
Position by position, Oklahoma has more talent than Boise State. That's obvious. Nobody's arguing that. But if Oklahoma were the better team that day, they would have won. If Alabama were the better team that day, they would have won.
Excuses are like assholes - everyone's got one and they all stink.
Who cares about stars? Let me know who their other offers are, and that'll tell me what I need to know.
I see that Antonio Kinnard and Jay Guy are at the bottom of their respective rankings.
I really can't say that I like this class or dislike it so far. We will have to wait and see.