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Rinky Dink, But Where And Who?
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Michigan gets to go to a bowl this year, spawning a beleaguered cheer from the beleaguered, filthy masses.
Bowls are made of… wood. And wood has a winning record against… water… so… A WITCH
But which crappy bowl? And which surprisingly un-crappy opponent shall face them? An exploration follows.
Punch Yourself In A Circle, Please
The Big Ten has a unique situation on its hands with three one-loss teams and then the Great Heap Of Mediocrity: four 7-5 teams with a fifth on the way if Illinois can beat Western Michigan on the road this weekend. (Yes, this game is happening. No, no one knows why.) Bowls can pick any team that's within a game of any other team and everyone in the Heap is 4-4 or 3-5, so literally any bowl eligible team in the league not ticketed for the BCS (OSU, Wisconsin) or Citrus (MSU) could slot into the Outback Bowl, where they will be crushed to little tiny bits by the #3 or #4 SEC team.
Michigan could end up in the…
- Outback Bowl against the #3/4 SEC team
- Gator Bowl against the #6 SEC team
- Insight Bowl against the #4 Big Twelve team
- Texas Bowl against the #6 Big Twelve team
- Dallas Bowl against the #8 Big Twelve team
Opponents range in fearsomeness from Alabama/South Carolina to Kansas State/Texas Tech. Everyone's pointless bowl projections have Michigan behind Penn State and Iowa and in front of Northwestern and Illinois, invariably slotting them in the Insight against Missouri (er…) or Nebraska (argh?) or Oklahoma State (guh).
The Big Twelve has four 10-2 teams this year and will apparently not be getting a second BCS bid (thanks, Big East!)—whoever gets locked into the Insight is going up against a team that looks much better than it. The dropoff from the Insight to the Texas Bowl is vast, as whoever's slotted into that draws Baylor. The Gator Bowl is actually a much more manageable matchup: almost everyone has 7-5 Florida as the opponent.
In order of win probability:
- Dallas [Kansas State or Texas Tech]
- Texas [Baylor]
- Gator [Florida]
- Outback/Insight [Random 10-2 Big 12 Team, Alabama, or LSU]
In order of likelihood:
- Insight
- Gator
- Outback
This is a bizarre situation that will resolve itself next year when the Big Ten poaches one of those 10-2 Big Twelve teams and suddenly finds itself looking at a lot of favorable bowl matchups for the first time, but right now the Insight is a death trap to be avoided at all costs. Michigan's lost heavily to Iowa and Penn State but it's possible the Gator, which won the coin toss that decides which pick they'll get, surveys the sex appeal of Penn State, Iowa, and Michigan and goes with the team featuring a dreadlocked assassin and a defense even Florida can score on instead of probably better but less lucrative stodgy Big Ten Program with the same record, anyway.
You're Rooting For
A failure in cosmic justice that sees Michigan selected to play in the worst NYD bowl since last year, taking on fellow 7-5 struggler Florida in the Gator Bowl.
You're Staring Down The Barrel Of
A 10-2 Big Twelve team in the Insight.
Distantly Possible
The Outback also surveys the field of candidates and elects to put Michigan opposite LSU or Alabama for storylines (Les Miles vs alma mater/2012 preview) over competitiveness (not so much).
Not Happening
Michigan will not fall behind Northwestern or Illinois in the pecking order.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:51 PM | 
Maybe I missed it...
Maybe I missed it...
November 30th, 2010 at 1:57 PM |
not in so many words
not in so many words
but I think the "it's possible the Gator, which won the coin toss that decides which pick they'll get, surveys the sex appeal of Penn State, Iowa, and Michigan" line pretty much implies national appeal and willingness of fans to travel. All three of the aforementioned teams are known to travel well.
For my privacy, my new username is "non-Oriental non-Andrew"
November 30th, 2010 at 2:10 PM |
Call me crazy
Call me crazy
but it's my understanding UM only travels well to the big bowl games - ie, BCS bowls and possibly Outback and Citrus. I don't think UM sold very many tickets to the Alamo Bowl a few years ago. This year might be different since UM hasn't been to a bowl game for a few years.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:15 PM |
It matters which bowl game we
It matters which bowl game we
It matters which bowl game we go to. In '05, Alamo was tough because it was 3 days after Christmas, and flights to San Antonio at that point in time were astronomically expensive. After a string of Rose Bowl trips, a lot of folks just sat that one out. In '95, it was the day after Christmas.
This time around, if we play before January 1, with the uncertainty surrounding this program, the proximity to the Christmas holiday, the distance, and the economy, I would not be surprised if we failed to sell our allotment. We very well could, but I can see a scenario where we simply don't travel well to this bowl game. If it's in Florida, that'll help the cause. Texas or Arizona, not so much.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:27 PM |
re: Florida
re: Florida
If it's the Gator Bowl, then we're talking about Jacksonville, which isn't really a winter resort city. Our turnout might not be great for that one. Tampa (Outback Bowl) would draw more fans.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:54 PM |
Illinois
Illinois
I think is on the road vs Fresno State this week not Western Michigan.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:57 PM |
Correct. Fresno.
Correct. Fresno.
Correct. Fresno.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 PM |
Western is actually sitting
Western is actually sitting
Western is actually sitting home at (6-6) hoping for some 5-6 Sun Belt and Conference USA teams lose and improve the Broncos bowl chances. There's not a Kalamazoo-based bowl game (The Bells Bowl?) so they're probably at a pretty big disadvantage to more nearby teams for selection.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:59 PM |
Alabama....
Alabama....
Umm..... is that good or bad?
You're HIV-Aladeen.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:09 PM |
We can play in the Outback
We can play in the Outback
We can play in the Outback against Bama and the winner gets HaHa.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:34 PM |
Do we have to win straight up
Do we have to win straight up
Do we have to win straight up or just cover the spread?
"Come on, you Wolverines!"
December 1st, 2010 at 3:31 AM |
We just have to
We just have to
spread our cheeks.
M'Dog
November 30th, 2010 at 3:43 PM |
If we get Alabama,
If we get Alabama,
can we get the one that scores FGs while giving up 2 TDs per?
Michigan Resurgent? Michigan Resurgent!
The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!
November 30th, 2010 at 2:03 PM |
My preference is for a comparable opponent that we have a
My preference is for a comparable opponent that we have a
shot against (if one exist). Also, a warm weather site would be nice for the team and the fans.
"I hate losing more than I like winning." - Zack
November 30th, 2010 at 3:12 PM |
Jax (aside from being a
Jax (aside from being a
Jax (aside from being a terrible place) can get a little chilly in the winter. Warmer than Michigan, but nowhere near beach weather.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:03 PM |
Woo bowl?
Woo bowl?
Woo bowl?
This is home...
November 30th, 2010 at 2:10 PM |
*ahem*
*ahem*
WOOO BOWL!!!!
That is all.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:20 PM |
I think Denard would be
I think Denard would be
I think Denard would be awesome in the John Woo Bowl.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:48 PM |
But it would be the most
But it would be the most
But it would be the most annoyingly produced game ever. Plays would randomly be shown in slow motion in the middle of the play, not to mention plays missed for random slo-mo shots of birds.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:26 PM |
Annoying?
Annoying?
Or AWE-SOME!!!!
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
November 30th, 2010 at 4:39 PM |
So . . . Fox's usual
So . . . Fox's usual
So . . . Fox's usual coverage.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:49 PM |
Michigan's defense is a
Michigan's defense is a
Michigan's defense is a perfect fit for the John Yoo bowl as it's been torturing us all year.
I sometimes write at the Hoover Street Rag.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:10 PM |
Nice. I thought politics
Nice. I thought politics
Nice. I thought politics were not allowed. Glad, I wasn't the only one to read his book.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:04 PM |
Give us the best team ...
Give us the best team ...
To work towards being the best you need to play the best!! Hail, Hail ...
November 30th, 2010 at 2:04 PM |
Insight Bowl
Insight Bowl
Give it to me, that way I can drive to the game (only 6 hours!) :) Florida can bite me.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:40 PM |
Insight Bowl!
Insight Bowl!
I'm also pulling for the Insight Bowl, for selfish reasons: I live in Tempe (so only a 10 minute drive), and my dad is buddies with a bunch of guys on the Insight/Fiesta Bowl committee (which should land me some good seats).
Go Blue!
November 30th, 2010 at 2:06 PM |
"I'm not dead yet!"
"I'm not dead yet!"
The old guy on the carcass-cart at the beginning of MP & the HG personifies where this season is to me right now. I'm all for winning the bowl game, but at this point, I'm sure I'll be more interested in anything that exits Dave Brandon's piehole immediately thereafter. These speculation-plagued dead weeks cannot pass soon enough.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:07 PM |
Those wanting Harbaugh to
Those wanting Harbaugh to
Those wanting Harbaugh to come in should pray that Michigan plays against Okie State or Alabama, so they can get clobbered and all the blame can be placed squarely on RR's shoulders.
Those who like RR should pray and pray for Florida, or Kansas State.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:28 PM |
I want Oklahoma State
I want Oklahoma State
This would be a good opposite because it would really determine if RR deserves to come back or not. If their defense is either meh or bad that way some on this board is saying it is, then we should have no problem scoring on them. Especially with 2 weeks to prepare. If we fail to score, then clearly our offense isn't as high-powered as we claim it to be and would definitely be evaluated by DB.
Two weeks gives us an opportunity to get ready for some gunslinging by one of the top offenses in the country. A week again, this team was being predicted to win the Big 12. If they bomb on us, then RR should definitely go.
Honestly, I think playing Florida is a double-edge sword. If we win, then great - we beat a crappy Florida team with a Nick Sheridan at QB. If we lose to Florida, then RR definitely needs to be fired coz there's no excuse. Especially since one of their DCs just bolted.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:27 PM |
It's never bad
It's never bad
to go 3-0 vs. Florida.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
December 1st, 2010 at 3:29 AM |
TING!
TING!
I still get mileage out of that.
Here I am a fan of a team on life support the last three or four years, debating against UF fans who have conversely won 2 National Championships the last three or four years, and I am able to shut them up with a simple ". . . but we own your ass".
Works for the rest of the SEC too, given our stellar record aganist the SEC.
M'Dog
November 30th, 2010 at 6:15 PM |
Those wanting Harbaugh to
Those wanting Harbaugh to
Those wanting Harbaugh to come in should pray that Michigan plays against Okie State or Alabama, so they can get clobbered and all the blame can be placed squarely on RR's shoulders.
The idea that any Michigan fan would pray for the team to be clobbered is so unbelievably backward I don't know where to begin.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:07 PM |
I hope
I hope
we play a stout team. It will give us a good measuring stick for this young team to see if the added practice actually helps and there is hope.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:49 PM |
I've had enough measuring sticks this season
I've had enough measuring sticks this season
Being applied with great force to the collective backside of the defense. Give me a cupcake.
Preparation is not suddenly accomplished, it is a process steadily maintained.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:10 PM |
Gator
Gator
With Iowa's end of season collapse relative to expectations (while we also collapsed, it was more or less expected), and our fanbase not having been to a bowl game since Henne vs. Tebow, I'm going to assume it's Outback = PSU, Gator = Michigan. My buddy in Iowa says the fans around there couldn't care less about their bowl game this year (despite their reputation for traveling).
Hail to the Victors.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:16 PM |
Indeed, and I think that's
Indeed, and I think that's
Indeed, and I think that's why we supposedly didn't travel that well to the Alamo Bowl in 2005. Teams that have high expectations for the year and then turn out to have a pretty mediocre year I would think tend to kill the interest of their fans in going to a bowl game to watch their disappointing team. I could see a bowl taking us over Iowa for that reason. Plus, "Michigan vs. Florida" sure looks nice on the TV schedule, even if both of the teams really weren't all that good this year.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:10 PM |
That's the BCS for ya
That's the BCS for ya
Part of me wants to get matched up with a far superior opponent knowing that RR has a good record in bowl games, but then again, I thought we would win one of our last 2 games.
Special Teams means special times!
November 30th, 2010 at 2:10 PM |
+1
+1
For "Citrus Bowl" instead of "Capital One Bowl".
November 30th, 2010 at 3:48 PM |
and another +1
and another +1
For Western Michigan instead of Fresno State.
Twenty-two Michigan Wolverines
put on the gloves of gray.
And as Revelli played The Victors,
they laid Woody Hayes away.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:10 PM |
oooh yes, please
oooh yes, please
oooh yes, please
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“ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.” — Alan Kay
November 30th, 2010 at 2:14 PM |
Conflicting feelings on this one
Conflicting feelings on this one
Purely from a sporting and fun-to-watch perspective, I'd love to play Florida in the Gator. But knowing that the fanbase will have ANGAR if we lose the bowl game, even if it's to a clearly superior team like Alabama/Carolina, I want Mich to get the easiest matchup possible. Ugh.
"I call that Communist football. I'm so tired of it. Good, red-blooded Americans snap the ball, hand it to the guy and have a normal run game or pass game."
—Steve Szabo, Michigan linebackers coach, November 2007
November 30th, 2010 at 3:38 PM |
sums up
sums up
my thoughts exactly. to the letter.
December 1st, 2010 at 3:39 AM |
If I'm RR, I might want Alabama
If I'm RR, I might want Alabama
as the last and best chance to make a statement.
RR has been pounded for failing to uphold Michigan traditions. Well, here is one tradition he can claim for himself that is definitely not a Michigan tradition: showing up big in a New Years Day bowl game and beating a top opponent.
Might save his job and remind us all of why we were so excited when he was hired.
M'Dog
December 1st, 2010 at 10:29 AM |
Weren't you just bragging on our Florida record?
Weren't you just bragging on our Florida record?
Since Bo retired, we're 9-6 on New Year's Day.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
November 30th, 2010 at 2:16 PM |
bowls
bowls
If cosmic justice is the enemy of bad tv, then cosmic justice demands that Iowa make the Insight bowl. Iowa can keep it close against anyone, including those 10-2 Big 12 teams. The other 4 7-5 teams would get pummeled, except for maybe Illinois who is too low in the pecking order.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:16 PM |
Give me Oklahoma State. Two
Give me Oklahoma State. Two
Give me Oklahoma State. Two of the top five offenses in the country; one horrific defense, one that's somewhere between meh and bad. And given over a month to plan, I think RR can devise a crazy firestorm.
Basically I want to be excited at the prospect of our bowl matchup, and Baylor just isn't doing it for me.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:24 PM |
Sorry if this is a dumb
Sorry if this is a dumb
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but when will we get the official invitation? Sunday night after the BCS makes their selections?
"I was kind of disappointed in myself to run a 10.44 (100m), but I will accept that. Running the No. 2 time in the nation is pretty good. I was trying to run a 10.3, but there was strong wind." -- Denard Robinson
November 30th, 2010 at 3:27 PM |
perhaps sooner
perhaps sooner
IIRC PSU locked into the Alamo Bowl in 2007 rather early
November 30th, 2010 at 3:29 PM |
It'll all be hashed out by Sunday afternoon
It'll all be hashed out by Sunday afternoon
And they'll announce it after the BCS bowls reveal. But I'm guessing it's leaked (probably to here) before that. Someone will say who the negotiations were with and where we agreed to go.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
November 30th, 2010 at 2:24 PM |
Insight Matchups
Insight Matchups
Mizzou is a good team, but not as good as Sparty/tOSU/Wisconsin. It lost to TTech, and squeaked one out against San Diego St. Nasty defense (6th nationally in scoring), and so-so offense (45th). Michigan would be in that game.
OKState is similarly solid but no spectacular. A ferocious offense (ranked 3rd, scored over 40 in losses to Nebraska and Oklahoma), and a mediocre defense (ranked 67th). Their only win against a ranked opponent was Texas A&M by three (Baylor is no longer ranked).
I suspect that either of these teams would win no more than 8 with Florida's schedule, and maybe 7 or less; Gerogia and Tennessee would both be tough games for Mizzou/OkState.
Just considering the teams on paper, I would want OKState, because their defense is the weakest. At any rate, I do not see how playing UF is that much easier than Mizzou or OKState. Oklahoma and Nebraska are a different story, probably, but the loser of the Big 12 game championship will likely go to the Cotton Bowl, so it's not a realistic threat.
Missing Ann Arbor
...but would any of the Bowls pick us knowing that Michigan fans generally travel well and have a national appeal (no offense to Northwestern and Illinois). Bowls tend to be about ratings and money - Michigan brings both.
How would that affect bowl projections/selection or am I just reading into this too much? Does that mean we will see a better opponent than we actually should get?
Nothing good ever had "State" in its name