You have reaffirmed my faith in our nation's servicemen.
By Rights We Should Have To Play There
never heard of it
The University of Michigan football program will open the 2014 season with a match-up against Appalachian State University on Aug. 30 at Michigan Stadium. This will be the second [sic] meeting between the Wolverines and Mountaineers at Michigan Stadium.
Sorry about that error in the second sentence above. Michigan has never played Appalachian State.
If you'll excuse me, I feel like having a seizure.
It isn't that we're afraid of losing to App State in this, our first ever meeting. It's that there is nothing to be gained here. Win, and you get a week of "remember last time" stories leading up to the game, and the glory of beating an FBS team. Lose, and I have to move to Yemen.
These demons shall not be exorcised. They shall remain forever.
we're all going to have to see videos replayed we'd rather not...but a win gets us to .500 against them. Take your medicine.
There's a W to be had. But if you're gonna sign up for a cupcake (which by definition includes any FCS opponents, including App State), why would you make it a cupcake that would remind people for MONTHS ahead of time about that time Armanti Edwards looked like Denard Robinson and Michigan's '07 defense looked like Michigan's '10 defense.
And yes, Yemen might be an upgrade, were it not 173 degrees.
Don't obsess on the potential downside. Channel your inner Bo Schembechler: "Dammit, we're going to play them again! And we're going to beat them! Michigan doesn't back down from anybody! No team is going to have a winning record against Michigan! No ifs and buts about it!"
Of COURSE Michigan will win. And of course Michigan isn't scared of playing them. But even assuming everything goes exactly as planned, there is nothing to gain. Who in the hell is going to say, "ah, yes, NOW we see that Michigan Football is superior to App State. I wasn't sure before."
Forget being the little brother; App State is like our 6-year-old nephew who beat us at a game of Horse. Sure, if we played them again and actually paid attention, we'd probably beat him easily. But we wouldn't take any less crap from the rest of the family.
Michigan didn't regain its Michiganness in 2007 by beating Eastern to prove they could beat cupcakes. They regained their Michiganness by beating the shit out of Notre Dame and Purdue, beating Penn State and Michigan State, and smacking Tebow around. THAT'S how you change the story. You don't challenge the 6-year-old to a rematch. You find the best player in the family and you take HIM down one-on-one. Challenging the kid again makes you look as embarassed as everyone imagines you to be.
If the game's a sure thing, that's all the more reason to play them. It will get us good TV ratings, fill up the stadium, and allow us to even the series with them. It's the only possible FCS matchup that is compelling to watch.
Then complain when a compelling game is added. They can't win.
There is almost a 0% chance of us losing to them again, especially with this 2012 class all being in the lineup.
Though I might have gone with "Whatta bunch of..."
Let's just cap the whole miserable thing off with special pregame festivities to honor Kordell Stewart, Michael Westbrook, and Donovan McNabb.
This brings up a good point about false "revenge". We beat Colorado a couple of years later at their place, by thwarting a last play Hail Mary pass. Should have been the very definition of sweet revenge.
Dream on. It in no way made up for Stewart-to-Westbrook nor diminished its searing stabbing pain throughout the years.
And we obliterated them at home in the first game in 97. Still doesn't matter.
I feel pretty good about that.
The 1997 CU game didn't matter? It set the tone for the whole season.
Er, I phrased that poorly. I mean that obliterating them in 97 doesn't lessen the memory of the hail mary. They're separate memories. You can't get rid of a bad memory by way of a good memory.
But yeah, that game was awesome.
Maybe it didn't mean much to you, a fan, but you'd better believe it meant a lot to the players on that team. And I'd wager that the guys in this program have been itching to play App State ever since that fiasco. It's a shame that all of the 2007 players will have graduated by the time we get revenge.
Meaning and memory are different things though. It may be meaningful to players to beat ASU (though none of the players that lost the first time will be on the team, thus reducing the kind of meaning that the guys who lost in 94 likely took from the 97 victory). But regardless of the meaning built atop the game, it will do little to erase the memory of the 07 game, and the emotions (ahhh, turn away) that that memory sparks in most fans and, likely, many players (I don't know, I didn't play in that game).
The point is that playing this game to somehow erase the memory of 07 is a futile gesture. It's best to let painful memories fade, rather than forcing them up again.
Therapists on the board may disagree, but for me, repress, repress, repress.
Seriously how unlikley is it that they'll somehow beat us again on in our own stadium! I'm not worried. Not worried at all.
The sad part? Take out the "again" and this is pretty much a direct quote from me the day before that game.
So we have to reschedule Toledo now, too, right?
I would love for Michigan to have winning records against all active teams someday. I believe that's a goal worth pursuing...somewhat. Not aggressively, but whenever the opportunity to play a team we have a losing record to pops up, we should take it.
12 we could play
App St., Arizona St., Army, BYU, Cornell, Miss St., UNC, Oklahoma, USC, Tennessee, Texas, and Toledo
If the plan is to have a winning record vs all opponents then DB should start w/ Cornell. 6 - 12 All-time.
can be the year Michigan takes care of all "family business."
That's the sound of the joke going over your head.
This is the scheduling version of this:
Setting aside the whole we-really-don't-need-this-rematch thing, Brian's undeniably right about one other thing. If this game's going to be played it should be at their place. If they want to sell more tickets, Charlotte's reasonably close. But the bottom line is we lost, fair and square. If there is going to be a rematch, it should be on their turf. Honor demands no less.
In a related story, Superman just decided to walk around with some kryptonite in his pocket.
Conversation between Brandon and Michigan Fans
Brandon: So I'm thinking about scheduling Applachian State in 2014.
Brandon: What's the problem?
MF: The Horror! The Horror!
Brandon: Didn't we all agree to pretend that never happened. Plus, revenge is a dish best served Hoke.
MF: This is a terrible idea. Nothing good can come of it and if anything, it'll make our guys extra nervous because all they will hear about leading up is about the Horror. If we lose, we're humiliated again. If we win, it does nothing, but drudge up old memories.
Brandon: PIMP HAND ACTIVATE!
*2 seconds later*
The University of Michigan football program will open the 2014 season with a match-up against Appalachian State University on Aug. 30 at Michigan Stadium. This will be the second meeting between the Wolverines and Mountaineers at Michigan Stadium.
Pimp hand malfunctioned.
I would like to declare fatwa against Dave Brandon.
I am sickened by the stupidity of this. It is Bill Martin stupidity multiplied by the fact that we now have the experience of Bill Martin's stupidity.
We have a long-standing tradition of difficult nonconference schedules. We've historically taken on all comers. Heck, our mascot is an animal that fights much larger animals than itself. But now we should forget all that and run away from a challenge by App State?
App State is now a challenge? It was bad enough that they beat us in a fluke game -- now you think they are a "challenge." If App State is a challenge, maybe we should give up on this football thing.
There is massive downside (if we stumble into another loss); there is zero upside if we got to 1-1 with App State. Meanwhile, we invite all the negative attention regarding The Horror at the same time we are trying to move on, build up our program, and play teams like Alabama to start the season.
This decision is stupid and was made by someone who now appears to be more of a corporate airhead than I had thought he was soley to make money off a freak show.
Nevermind, this really belonged elsewhere....
I'm actually kind of surprised that App State agreed to this one.
I always figured they wouldn't want to play us again so that they could always have the "We are 1-0 against Michigan" thing.
Then I realized that even if we beat them in 2014, they will still be able to talk trash along with the rest of the college football world.
Plus, this get their university massive amounts of positive press for the second time. Michigan will get some pub too, but not the good kind.
How much do you want to bet that this game ends up on ESPN. It's going to be horrible.
That being said, we should just show up and wipe the floor with them, and move on with our lives.
Then we can play our next game, will which will undoubtedly be Oregon since DB likes us to relive the pain.
However, unlike App St, I would fully endorse a rematch with Oregon. Just not for a couple of years when they have come back down to earth.
Bet it won't be broadcast on a BTN overflow channel that nobody can get this time around.
Do we get extra money if it is shown on ESPN or ABC? Otherwise, I can't see why we would do it.
Maybe we should make it our night game and really milk it.
i was just about to comment earlier about how i stopped reading the comments section on this site because everyone was so damn depressed. it was nice to see happiness and an optimistic outlook for 2011. But then i didn't write it, because i knew it would somehow jinx our future. and here, hours later..........
What the hell, was Delaware State not available that weekend?
Not that I think we'll lose......but it just doesn't make any sense. I've been trying to find a positive, but I can't find any
Good move or bad move...I can't say I'm thrilled about the board reaction.
edit: App St. earned the right to call us up and schedule a game whenever we feel like it until we recapture this series. If you understand the idea that we should owe them a game at their place, then you should certainly understand that we can't say no to a game.
Yes, I can see Hoke now "This is Michigan! We won't run the from past. We will embrace it and smash it to nothing."
Compare that to the App St AD dropping this at a press conference - "we tried scheduling another game against them, but their dodging us. Guess they're scared to play us." Yeah, no one would have any fun with THAT. Luckily our athletic department doesn't wear panties like most of their fans do.
M-Wolverine gets it.
I think the headline would be "App State AD mistakes "their" and "they're""
But seriously folks, do you really think a jab from the App State AD presser would be noticed by anyone?
And in the Internet age if you don't think opposing fans would have a field day with it then I find it hard to believe you've lived around ND and MSU fans. Or that they haven't made fun of you for wearing panties*.
(*This is in no way to actually claim that Blue in South Bend does indeed wear panties, or if on chance he actually does, the NTTAWWT disclaimer).
This'd ensure Michigan would no longer have a career losing record against a (former) D-1AA team. This of course assumes that Michigan wins the game, which, if we learned anything from the last matchup, would require Michigan to have a preseason top 4 ranking. I'm glad that Dave Brandon has this much faith in Michigan to be that good in 3 years just like he has faith in Michigan to compete against Alabama next year.
In all honesty I'm not sure how I should feel about this news... after the immediate nausea subsided, I feel like it is just going to be another ill-advised non-conference matchup. I think it comes down to the fact that playing any FCS school is a mistake. UMass almost got us last year. If you win by 50 nobody blinks an eye, but if you lose... well... you are on the cover of SI.
Oh wait. It's August. Shit.
I think we'll be ready.
We will prevail.
You have to face the demons you want to exorcise--and the demon we must be rid of is NOT Appy State. It is the denial that we could lose to Appy State.
Bring them in, beat them and move on.