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Notes from Coach Rod's Wednesday presser.

The QB battle is close. The coaches haven't been able to taper down who gets snaps. As long as they get better every day, you can be pleased with the progress. Everybody is too worried about who the starting QB is. The second team gets almost as many reps as the first team.

Any of the three are capable of starting right now, but he wants them to play at a high level. "If they're able to do that and execute the offense, then all three will play." Will keep QB choice quiet for competitive reasons. QBs will know Friday night (before game). Nobody else will know until kickoff at 3:36 Saturday.

No particular RB (or two) has stepped to the forefront. The position gets banged up in camp, which limits development. "We have some talent there, we'll be OK." The top 2-3 guys will play. Certain guys run certain plays better, so they'll get in the game for that play.

Fitzgerald Toussaint practiced yesterday, but not today. He's had a neck stinger, now his knee is sore. He'll be banged up a couple days, but might practice friday. Michael Shaw is still taking "the class," working hard at it. He's been spending half of his time practicing, and half of his time studying.

The offensive line is "not set as far as starters, but I think set as far as, you know who the 8-9-10 guys that are gonna be in the rotation will be." RR feels better about up front than the past couple years. He would like to play at least 8 offensive linemen (5 starters, backup C, G, T), depending on how they're performing and the tempo of the game. He would love to have two whole groups at line.

Improvement on defense has to come from several places. One guy can't replace Brandon Graham by himself. "The thing I probably feel the best about our defense is that we have a bigger pool of guys I think are going to be playing. That's going to allow us to have a little more depth, do a few more things defensively." If a couple guys (Mike Martin, Jonas Mouton, and JT Floyd in particular) have a big year, it'll offset some of the losses.

Will Campbell wasn't in great shape when camp started. He's been playing himself into shape. Mike Martin and Adam Patterson are at NG, "if he wants to play he's gotta compete." Rodriguez wants senior Sagesse, Banks, and Patterson, to have their best years. They're having good camps. "Of course you've got Mike Martin up front too who's had an outstanding camp. I think he can have a great year at noseguard for us."

Moundros may be the starter at middle linebacker. Right now he's taking a lot of reps. Mark has at least seen the field, which gives him experience (even if it's at a different position). He has intangibles. He needs to learn technique and system, but he was able to do that mostly in the spring. He's made very few mental errors for being new to the position.

There are some potential answers in the secondary. "Coming from freshman class. "It's kind of scary when you think about true freshmen playing in the secondary, but there's some talent there." They're progressing well now that summer class is over and they can focus on football. 4-5 true freshman DBs will play this year.

Cam Gordon - "He didn't play as well as he had played in any other practice in the scrimmage," but he's had a good camp and the staff feels good about him.

JT Floyd will start at corner on one side. Other corner might be Jame Rogers, "this is the best football he's played," or young guys. Have to keep it simple for the youngsters.

Nothing's new at kicker; it's inconsistent day-to-day. Most days have been encouraging - yesterday was not one of those days. They've been practicing on the new turf in the stadium. It's unlikely that different kickers will be used depending on distance of the kick.

Yesterday was a scrimmage. The last three quarters of practice, only players, officials, and Rodriguez were on the field. Did every special team and offense v. defense. "Glad we did it, but we've gotta do it again." They'll do it again friday, less intense, and maybe a little tomorrow. "With so many young guys, especially on defense playing, we've gotta try to get them used to what it's going to be like in a game where there aren't coaches standing behind them or on the side of them telling them what to do." It's a different atmosphere then practice, with signaling plays, etc.

Troy Woolfolk had surgery yesterday. "Everything went well with the surgery. Certainly it looks like he's lost for the season." No reason why he can't be 100% next year, and Rodriguez thinks he wants to come back for a 5th year. "It's his decision, of course, but Troy loves football."

Have a good grasp on what the team can do. "Certainly offensively, we have a pretty good idea of where our strengths are. And I think defensively too, even with the young guys, it probably takes them a little bit longer to determine a young guy because they have not done it in a game." Some guys plays better in a game, some play too nervous.

Started installing for UConn at the beginning of camp. "Starting really yesterday, and certainly today, and a lot tomorrow and Friday, will be a lot of UConn installation in all three phases."

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:13 PM | JT Floyd will start at corner (Score:1)
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JT Floyd will start at corner on one side. Other corner might be Jame Rogers, "this is the best football he's played," or young guys. Have to keep it simple for the youngsters.

Between this quote and Taylor Lewan's, my confidence in our secondary is slowly starting to rebuild.

I leave for Michigan in less than a week: nothing like welcome week to help pass by those last couple of days.

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:41 PM | Corners (Score:1)
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I personally would feel a lot better about our secondary if Cullen Christian is able to beat out Rogers for a starting corner position. I would imagine that if Rogers were any good, people would have been talking about him as a possible contributer before the Woolfolk injury. On the other hand, Christian was a highly rated corner coming out of highschool, and historically, we have had some success with true freshman at that position. Plus, he represents our future at corner, and it would be encouraging to see him have some success this year.     

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:46 PM | Opportunity knocks and James (Score:1)
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Opportunity knocks and James Rogers answers, at least I hope so, it would be a great way to finish his career.

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August 26th, 2010 at 12:57 AM | Yes, but cornerback is not (Score:1)
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Yes, but cornerback is not one of those positions where trying harder makes much of a difference (unless you were previously loafing).  It relies on speed and talent, which one can't usually improve on in his senior year.

 

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August 26th, 2010 at 12:59 PM | I would think experience with (Score:1)
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I would think experience with routes and whatnot would be helpful.  Knowing where people will be, etc.

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:46 PM | On the other hand... (Score:1)
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There's something to be said for bringing him along slowly, putting him in initially for a few plays or series so that he can get his feet wet and get coached up before making him a starter. IIRC, this was the approach with most of the true freshmen that have started at CB, until they became starters at mid-season.

I checked, only Woodson started from the get-go as a freshman. Ty Law got 6 starts, Marlin Jackson got 6 starts, Warren got 10.

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:04 PM | Reply (Score:1)
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I could have swore that Leon Hall started as a true freshman as well. Either way, I think it is safe to say that those teams had more viable options than we have this year. Hopefully Rogers will be a pleasant surprise though--we'll see.

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:19 PM | Good call (Score:1)
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Leon Hall started either one or two games in 2003, (the Bentley confusingly has him starting one game at corner and one at defensive tackle in a nickle, unclear whether it's a typo or if they just inserted him on the page for player he replaced).

And yeah, I would imagine all those teams did have far better options, but I still think there's something to be gained by rotating Christian in and out a series at a time, while coaching him intensely after he's in about what he saw, playing him increasing amounts during the first four games, before inserting him as a starter when the conference schedule begins. This assumes that Rogers is going to be more assignment sure (though less athletically dynamic) and won't be avert your eyes bad (which is, admittedly, a definite possibility).

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August 26th, 2010 at 2:01 AM | I don't know a lot about (Score:1)
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I don't know a lot about Rogers, but isn't his speed one of his best assets, or am I confusing him with someone else?

"We alway's did feel the same, we just saw it from a different point of view"

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:12 PM | Woodson did not start from (Score:1)
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Woodson did not start from the get go, the get go was Virginia and Woodson came off the bench. I distinctly remember Woodson entering the game as a reserve, although as usual, I retain my right to be wrong.

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:26 PM | Yep (Score:1)
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You're right. I misread the Bentley's website. Woodson started 12 games (in a 13 game season with the bowl game). He replaced Tyrone Noble as a starter.

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August 26th, 2010 at 9:19 AM | I knew Tyrone Noble. (Score:1)
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Lived on my hall Freshman year. Good guy. Played IM basketball with him. Man he was quick. Felt a little bad for him when Woodson replaced him, but then, we all know how that story ends.

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:35 PM | Fair point (Score:1)
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It's a fair point that other star corners didn't start right away. But the most analagous situation, with depleted secondary depth is Warren an while he only started 10 games he clearly should have started all 12 as Johnny sears was an epic disaster in the first two. I figure rogers can't be as bad as sears and the coaches know way about how these
Guys performances than we do but I really hope they don't make the same mistake English/Carr made going with experience over talent if the experience isn't good enough. Good lord willing Rogers is good enough to make the whole thing moot.

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:40 PM | Thanks (Score:1)
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Thanks for those memories.

I think I'll go throw up now.

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:16 PM | Can't wait for the season (Score:1)
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I have a feeling UCONN is overrated and Notre Dame is underrated.  I see a convincing win against UCONN.  Playing well on the road is always tough for young teams, ND will be a litmus test for the season as a whole.  If they travel well against what will be a strong ND team, I see a good season for these guys.  A bad loss to ND and this could be a long season.

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:22 PM | My gut tells me the same (Score:1)
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My gut tells me the same about UConn.  I hope we start on offense, even if we win the toss - with the emotion of what I hope will be Brock Mealer's triumphant run through the tunnel, I want the team to build a convincing lead in the first quarter.  That has the potential to be one hell of an emotional tidal wave, if we can ride it right.

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August 26th, 2010 at 12:52 AM | I agree with you about UConn (Score:1)
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I agree with you about UConn and Notre Dame, but UConn is the bigger game.  If we lose to UConn, we head into ND with the risk of going 0-2.  Think of the pressure that would put on us.  But if we beat UConn, as I think we will do, then we have breathing room regardless of what happens in South Bend

 

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:19 PM | *GULP* (Score:1)
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4-5 true freshman DBs will play this year.

/Faints

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:40 PM | Smelling salts?  I don't (Score:1)
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Smelling salts?  I don't think people actually realize how screwed we are in the defensive backfield. 

Actually, with 4-5 true freshmen DBs seeing the field, you may want to stay unconscious.  Me too.  Why yes, I'll have another beer!

"If you shoot me, you're liable to lose a lot of those humanitarian awards."

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:48 PM | To be honest seeing this many (Score:1)
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To be honest seeing this many freshman play in the backfield isn't making me at all nervous about this years season.  I see this as an opportunity to get our freshman in game situations very early on in their careers.  Our offense will be able to score enough points to get us the W at the end of the day.

In a couple years these players will grow and get bigger and will have lots of game experience. Hopefully bringing our defense back to the traditional dominate defense we have all grown to know.

Welllughhh. Yaknow.

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:57 PM | Don't worry, Florida had a ton of freshmen in (Score:1)
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the secondary a few years ago and they did pretty well on defense that year (except when we rolled them in the bowl game). ....and a good front seven and freshmen with sick star rankings just to be fair. Oh dammit, yeah we are in for a roller coaster.

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August 25th, 2010 at 7:10 PM | The only teams that Florida (Score:1)
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The only teams that Florida team held to less than 20 points were a Western Kentucky team in its very first game as a 1-A school, and Florida State.  That's not a defense I want to hear about when thinking about this year...  That team won because they scored a ton of points.  They had 5 games where they failed to score 40+.  They lost four of those games.

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August 25th, 2010 at 7:36 PM | I'd take that right now (Score:1)
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If we score a ton of points and only lose 4, I'll call this a great season.  And if we can follow that up with the seasons Florida has had since...  

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August 26th, 2010 at 12:50 AM | I'm afraid that you are going (Score:1)
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I'm afraid that you are going to hear about that freshman-laden Florida squad this year, because there is virtually no way that we will fail to give up 20+ points to a lot of teams.  Hopefully we can score 30+ points. 

 

"Football is happening at Michigan... we have that savoir faire."  Dhani Jones

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August 26th, 2010 at 10:03 AM | might be a good thing... (Score:1)
slappy09
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... considering how bad the secondary was last year - maybe this "fresh meat" brings new edge to a already weak secondary... or maybe not :)  Here's hoping for the best though - i'm so pumped for the season to start!!

If there are any other M Alums in Aspen - is there a bar people go to watch games?

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August 26th, 2010 at 10:42 AM | might be a good thing... (Score:1)
slappy09
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... considering how bad the secondary was last year - maybe this "fresh meat" brings new edge to a already weak secondary... or maybe not :)  Here's hoping for the best though - i'm so pumped for the season to start!!

If there are any other M Alums in Aspen - is there a bar people go to watch games?

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:19 PM | Even today, coming off what (Score:1)
papabear16
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Even today, coming off what sounds to be a hit-or-miss practice, RichRod sounds much more confident in this team than he has the last two years.  It sounds as if he's judging them and critiquing them on details, almost nit-picking, which is very encouraging to me. 

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:23 PM | Yeah, he seems more (Score:1)
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Yeah, he seems more confident.  I remember him saying (at about the same time in 2008), "We're definitely not ready to play a game right now."  He was right.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:24 PM | Moundros may be the starter (Score:1)
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Moundros may be the starter at middle linebacker. Right now he's taking a lot of reps. Mark has at least seen the field, which gives him experience (even if it's at a different position). He has intangibles. He needs to learn technique and system, but he was able to do that mostly in the spring. He's made very few mental errors for being new to the position.

This, more than anything, scares me. To have a guy that "needs to learn technique and system" as our starting middle linebacker in a 3-3-5 is frightening beyond belief. I'm sure Moundros is a great ballplayer and has done the work, but the fact that he can beat out a multi-year starter and the younger, hyped recruits at a position he just started learning this spring is either (A) proof that he is, in fact, batman or (B) a stinging assessment of the LB group as a whole (D-Roh excepted).

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:34 PM | Think about it this way, Ezeh (Score:1)
Zone Left
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Think about it this way, Ezeh is a known quantity.  If Moundros is better, then there will be a net linebacker improvement overall. 

/Helps me sleep...

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:45 PM | That's the Mathlete's logic (Score:1)
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That's the Mathlete's logic with respect to the quarterbacks: we know Tate is at least X, so for Denard to start he must be at least X+1. In that circumstance, I buy it, because to my mind there's not much chance Tate has taken a step backward.

However, it's totally conceivable that Ezeh has. Hell, he went from being meh in 2008 to being awful last year (despite the media members that think tackles = level of relative goodness).

Even if Moundros starting does mean that he is 2009 Ezeh+1, that's not suffcient. We needed Ezeh to become 2009 Ezeh+many. Moundros starting means Ezeh didn't get there.

I am begining to believe we will not be running the 3-3-5, but instead the 3-argh-FUCK.

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August 25th, 2010 at 7:26 PM | I think you meant (Score:1)
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"3 'arghs' and a cloud of FUCK", AMIRITE?

"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
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August 25th, 2010 at 9:12 PM | Two good points here and your other post. (Score:1)
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In the words of Jim Rome, you came strong (that's what she said). But seriously, anyone that is not frightened to death of our defense is just willfully ignoring probability. Events may be prove the dire predictions wrong (please please please) but the proper attitude right now is prayer, followed by heavy drinking, one way or the other.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

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August 25th, 2010 at 9:18 PM | This is just beautiful (Score:1)
Sum1Valiant
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 I am begining to believe we will not be running the 3-3-5, but instead the 3-argh-FUCK.

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:31 PM | Not sure (Score:1)
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How that scares you more than this:

 4-5 true freshman DBs will play this year.

I'd take Oprah at MLB in exchange for some experience in the secondary.  I also think it's important to remember that we know exactly what we're getting out of Ezeh, so if the coaches like their chances better with Moundros this may be a good thing.

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August 26th, 2010 at 4:02 AM | the true freshmen will play and hopefully they will seize (Score:1)
sharkhunter
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the momentous moment.

 

CB
or
or
18
24
22
James Rogers
Cullen Christian
Terrence Talbott
6-1
6-0
5-11
183
187
171
Sr.
Fr.
Fr.
CB
 
12
9
J.T. Floyd                      
Courtney Avery  
6-0
5-11
183
167
So.-R
Fr.
SS 32
3
Jordan Kovacs
Marvin Robinson
6-0
6-2
195
200
Jr.
Fr.
FS

4
5
Cameron Gordon
Vladimir Emilien
6-3
6-1
207
204
Fr.-R
So.

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August 26th, 2010 at 11:46 AM | I blame Jay Hopson (Score:1)
Steve in PA
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I guess I can keep blaming him for things this year too?

 

 

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:24 PM | Pretty disappointing news (Score:1)
somewittyname
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about big Will. Also can't believe Ezeh might lose his spot to Moundros.

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:26 PM | Campbell (Score:1)
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A little disappointed he came into camp out of shape. Hopefully, he can pull it together quickly and be the beast we all know he can be.

"The world is an imperfect place, screws fall out all the time".

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:29 PM | Does Barwis work with (Score:1)
Coldwater
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Does Barwis work with Campbell all summer?  Or are the players left alone to train on their own?

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:36 PM | Good question. (Score:1)
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I hope someone checked with compliance on that...

"If you shoot me, you're liable to lose a lot of those humanitarian awards."

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:06 PM | I think that strength and conditioning staff (Score:1)
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can have a limited role in summer workouts - there was discussion of this when the M self-report came out.  I do not remember how much involvement the s and c staff can have. 

 

However there is one key aspect that thesummer  workouts must be completely voluntary.  In past, RR would say, sure the workouts are voluntary, but so is playing time. 

This summer he has made a point of saying.  "I have no idea what anyone has been doing over the summer."

our package is our package, and it’s pretty big. - Greg Mattison, Bowl Practice Presser Tr. 12-13-11.

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:26 PM | My general understanding is (Score:1)
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My general understanding is the the S&C staffs can spend a lot of time with the players during the offseason.  The NCAA wants to make sure players are getting solid advice on conditioning instead of having team leadership, who probably won't have the best knowledge, running the sessions. 

The sessions are still voluntary, like you pointed out.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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August 25th, 2010 at 7:33 PM | M&M (Score:1)
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....Unless, of course, its Martin and Molk leading the workouts. I think that would be ok :)

Deep under cover in THE enemy's territory

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:13 PM | I thought I read somewhere (Score:1)
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I thought I read somewhere that the Cass Tech guys worked out on their own this summer and didn't do a great job getting into shape.  Not sure if that was just conjecture or a known fact.  Hopefully Barwis can get them back into shape quickly here and that they've all learned their lesson going forward.

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August 25th, 2010 at 8:03 PM | If you can find where you (Score:1)
LumberJack
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If you can find where you read this, I'd like to see it.

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:28 PM | So is it a foregone (Score:1)
Coldwater
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So is it a foregone conclusion that Devin Gardner does not red-shirt?

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August 25th, 2010 at 5:32 PM | It's gonna be a fist fight for QB (Score:1)
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Sounds like it. It's gonna be a fist fight for QB the next three seasons.

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August 25th, 2010 at 10:39 PM | For the most part, that's (Score:1)
MayzNBlu
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For the most part, that's fine with me.  I'd much rather have a constant competition between multiple good options than a couple freshmen and walk-ons who make the entire stadium cringe when they come on the field.

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August 25th, 2010 at 6:23 PM | I almost hope not, then the (Score:1)
Zone Left
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I almost hope not, then the threads asking about it will largely disappear.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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