The football team gives out every single scholarship every single year. If Paulus didn't get it, it would go to Nader Furrha, or some other walk-on on a year-by-year basis. There is no incremental cost here.
Rich Rod Offered Paulus
I don't think this is true, but I could be wrong...
We only have 78 scholarships accounted for this year. Does that mean that 7 walk-ons will get a one-year reprieve from student loans? I've never heard that before.
When there are open scholarships, the team will generally give them to walk-ons in their last year of eligibilty. I had 2 friends on the team to whom this happened. It's hoops, but this also happened to CJ Lee and David Merritt.
This last year, Mike Leach, Mark Moundros, Bryant Nowicki and Nick Sheridan all received scholarships.
Happens every year. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it before. The extra scholarships always go to walk-ons who earn them in practice. (On a true year to year basis, unlike the other guys whose scholarships are technically year to year, but are renewed 99.8% of the time for 4 years)
Thank you both for the info.
So the university would actually be saving money by giving Paulus a scholarship, since a walk-on who might otherwise get a one year scholarship would have to pay for tuition. I think the university would give out 150 scholarships if the NCAA allowed for it. This used to be the case before the 85 schollie limit was implemented, was it not?
It won't be saving or losing money. If Paulus indeed gets admitted to a grad school program, he'll be taking the spot of someone else (presumably a non-athlete).
M gives some players 4-5 years of schollie money that never meaningfully contribute. It's not totally unrealistic to think Paulus could end up being #2 by fall, and seeing playing time if Tate is injured (Gasp!).
...he will not ever see the field for Michigan. That is a guarantee.
A guarantee from you is absolutely worthless. It is your opinion. I guarantee you were dropped on your head as an infant. See I can make guarantees too!
Of course - a guarantee about what is going to happen in the 2009 Michigan football season is worthless. Way to make it personal. And so what if my Mom dropped me on my head? Didn't stop me from getting a law degree. Not. From. Michigan.
What do we win if your guarantee doesn't come to fruition? You've got to back it up with something.
You both frighten me.
I'll send you a picture of me crying in my beer, because if Paulus plays this year it's due to Tate and Denard both being injured, Sheridan's leg having fallen off, and the team will probably end up 2-10.
I'm not aware of any grad programs at UM that are one-year. I have a hard time believing that any academic department or the schools of social work, public policy, or business, are going to pick up the 2nd year that would be necessary for the MA, especially this year when they're offering fewer fellowships overall. I would think the athletic department would have to pick up the additional year, as well as engage in some pretty intense negotiations with departmental faculty to admit him to a program after the deadline for application and acceptance (which was the 15th).
For example, there's no way he's going into the poly sci department, which offers no terminal masters, and most of whose faculty would be very skeptical about offering admission to someone whose career path is not clearly in political science. Why should they waste their time (and grad students take a lot of time).
Clearly, this is ironed out, regardless of your doubts.
I'm sure it will be. Just pointing out that the athletic dept's likely making a two year fellowship commitment here, and that all the people who were pointing to UM's poly sci department as a drawing card don't know what they're talking about. Masters in public policy would be his most likely destination and would explain why he's also considering Syracuse, which has one of the top schools of gov't in the nation.
Does the Kiniesiology department still have graduate programs? I think they used to have one in movement science and one in sports management. It wouldn't necessarily have to be a 2 year program. If I'm not mistaken many fifth year seniors are in "Grad School"
I don't know what his undergrad degree was in but the Masters in Accounting program was a 1 year program as well.
If he doesn't get this scholarship, it will most likely be given to a walk-on. The scholarship money has already been budgeted; we always use all 85. We might as well give it to a guy who might play.
in these threads on Paulus. To be clear, I'm fine with him coming here, no issues. But the debate about whether or not he can play seems to tilt in favor of "not" when you consider that the Head Coach at his own school won't let him on the team. Sure he has a starter already, but if he thought he could play wouldn't he encourage him to join the team at Duke?
Duke has a returning 3-year starter at QB in Thaddeus Lewis. There's no way in hell a coach would look to unseat a guy with that kind of experience unless he was Reggie Ball-level bad. Lewis is a decent QB.
We, on the other hand, have two true freshman and a former walk-on who was, outside of one decent enough game (where he fortunate not to throw several picks because Minnesota guys can't catch), just plain bad.
which is why I said I'm totally fine with him coming here. But most coaches love talent, and they love having talented backups as well, especially at QB. It seems strange to me that Paulus gets a flat out no from the coach at his school--it wouldn't be the first time that a coach said "love to have you come and compete" without any real plans to have him start.
I wonder if it's harder for Cutcliffe to lie to Paulus since he's a Dookie.
I mean, if Rodriguez says "You can come here and compete" and Paulus never sniffs the field, it's no skin off Rodriguez's/Michigan's nose.
However, if Cutcliffe says "You can come in and compete" and Paulus never sniffs the field, then Paulus goes away thinking, "Man, my own alma mater screwed me over. Not only did I get benched in basketball, but the football coach lied to me."
Cutcliffe might be doing himself, Duke the school, and Paulus a favor.
First off, being a graduate student, he can play right away. I doubt our AD is stupid enough to allow a scholarship offer to someone who would only be eligible to ride the pines.
Second, we bet $50K on people every year for "possible production". Only having to waste $50K on someone for 1 YEAR, while that scholarship is just sitting around anyway, seems like a good bet to me, versus a 4 or 5 year back up.
MATH: 1 year backup $50K down the drain vs. 4 year back up $200k gone.....seems simple enough to me
I heard Paulus totally dominates EA's Madden NFL franchise. Does that experience count for anything?
Let me try to rebut some of the arguments coming from dissenters.
1. He made a mistake playing basketball and now has been given a mulligan.
Response: Everyone makes mistakes. And it's not like he's a questionable character. He played at Duke and had no legal problems.
2. He's a mercenary. We're better than that.
Response: All players are mercenaries. Players frequently transfer and Michigan is no exception. Guys are here to play so they have a shot at the next level. They love the school, for sure, but their main goal is to make it at the next level. Michigan gives you the additional luxury of a nice education.
3. He has no chance to play.
Response: You don't know that. He could be Chris Weinke. Unlikely, but possible.
4. He's a wasted scholarship.
Response: There are three scholarships left. If RR used them, they would have gone to walk ons with no chance to play in their own right.
5. The offer reeks of desperation.
Response: He has been given other offers and wasn't even thinking about football until he was contacted by the Packers. Obviously, RR wasn't the only one who saw potential in him.
6. He would send a horrible message to Tate and DRob.
Response: This is the worst argument of them all. Competition is precisely what is needed now, especially considering the other options are two true frosh and DEATH. If Tate and DRob can't handle competition from a guy who they know will only be here one year, they're never going to have the drive to play in the first place.
another benefit: with such a young team, he will bring an element of maturity and poise. Helping Tate / Denard and the rest handle themselves when the chips are down.
You know, I said the same exact things to my friend, whose only source of knowledge about Michigan athletics is Valenti. After saying all that, he goes on to say that if UM doesn't make a bowl game this year RR will be fired because the rich white alumni donors hate him. Point is, no matter how much evidence you show some people, they will never be able to come to grips that they are wrong and arguing with such people is useless.
I'll even go so far as to say, for those crying "reeks of desperation," so eff-ing what if it does? Our QB depth is THIN. Those people complaining about this being a desperate move don't know the meaning of the word. But they will if/when Tate goes down and we did nothing to deepen the QB position.
There don't seem to be any realistic ways having him on the team can be bad.
umm...am i missing something here?
yes, rr offered him. but has he commited? is he coming? or is he weighing his options re: syracuse
It sounds like he's weighing his options. Seems as though Paulus didn't really realize playing football was a possibility until a week or so ago. He's gonna need some time to figure things out.
I'm really hoping he comes, for many reasons
1) ESPN will slobber all over the whole thing. Call me jealous, but I want my own mini version of the Tebow lovefest that all the networks dish out. Paulus would provide that story
2) We have a considerable lack of depth at the position. I don't see how anyone can think that Paulus won't be at least as good as Sheridan. Even if he hasn't played in four years, he has a lot of talent. Maybe he'll never see the field, but it's worth a scholarship that would have been sitting around anyway
3) I yelled many obscenities at Paulus and Singler last November. It is mindblowingly ridiculous that Paulus could actually be wearing a Michigan football uniform in 4 months. That's like Beanie Wells playing for the Michigan basketball team. It is beyond words
If Paulus were to come here and eventually play in the NFL, his college (I assume) would be listed as Michigan. But what if he were to somehow make the NBA? Would he be listed as having gone to Duke?
He didn't announce he was going to play for anyone yet, just that he was considering all his options and that one of those is playing for us.
I only see syracuse in picture because he can play right away. Paulus almost came to Michigan 4 years ago for football if you didn't know.
Plus I believe he's actually from near Syracuse. I'm guessing his parents might still live in the area.
Is the universe perhaps making a small remittance to balance out the loss of Antonio Bass? Basketball stole his talents from football, now basketball is trying to make a meager repayment to UM football - surely, not enough, but karma takes lifetimes.
Michigan 24 Western 28.. 4th quarter, 5 seconds left on Westerns 40
Paulus lines up under QB. To his left is Carlos brown, to his right is Denard Robinson. Tate Forcier is lined up as a WR.
Paulus takes the hike, screen pass to Tate forcier who throws it to the opposite side of the field to Denard Robinson. Who throws it back to Carlos brown who throws it deep to Greg Mathews for the TD. Michigna wins
Western's DEs/LBs take out Forcier, Robinson, and Paulus in a full-on blitz. All three injured, out for the season. Sheridan comes in at QB, while Coner takes snaps on the sideline.
I like your plan better, of course. My reply is designed to keep my own expectations in check in light of the horror known as last season.
A warrior in the ancient times
with Paulus coming in and competing...
with Sheridan for the #3 spot.
I'm still utterly baffled by the fact that he has a year of eligibility - I just don't understand how you can play 4 whole years of B-Ball and magically have another year to play another sport.
You have a 5 year window in which you can play college sports, beginning when you first participate on a varsity team. You only get 4 years of eligibility for a given sport. The rule is what allows 5th year seniors.
For the same reason you can play 2 sports at once. A college athlete has 5 years to play 4 seasons of as many sports as they want. This happens often with track, where distance runners run cross country, indoor track and outdoor track. If you don't run, say, indoor track your first year but you run the other 2 all four years, you can take a fifth year and run indoor only, as you're still in your timeframe (5 years) and you still have one of your four seasons left.
...that had Paulus transferred to UM football after playing only 3 years of Duke b'ball, that he'd have 2 years of eligibility left to play football (or some sport other than basketball)?
This shit confuses me too. LOL.
In a nutshell: you can play as many sports seasons as you can fit into your five-year window, though you can't play more than four seasons in one sport. Jackie Robinson played football, basketball, baseball and track during his four years at UCLA.
If he graduates from Duke I think he'll have to sit out a year, which would use up all of his eligiblity.
Yea, I'm just going to go ahead and assume you've obviously been gone for the first part of the week. Its been discussed more times than night games. He would be able to play on day 1. I'll let you figure out why on your own.
Are you sure? I understand that he would be able to play from day one as an undergraduate, but as a graduate student he'd have to apply for a waiver.