Recruits In Retrospect: 2009 Defense Comment Count

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A couple summers ago, I delved back into the blogspot days to look at Brian's 2008 recruiting posts and how well players lived up to expectations. There were high points, like Mike Martin wrestling Not Mike Martin. These were accompanied by lows such as "Dann O'Neill might be Michigan's most critical recruit." The McGuffie mixtape was rewatched, wistfully.

I forgot to continue the series last summer, so I'm picking it back up with the 2009 class; conveniently, all the players from that class have completed their time in the program, so it's easier to give a fair retrospective on their careers. If you want to go back and look though the old posts yourself, the Tate Forcier profile features links to every player.

While that last link is a nice teaser for the offense portion of this exercise, today I'll be looking at the 2009 defensive recruits. Brace yourselves.

Never Forget

I'm gonna go ahead and get the defensive back portion of this post over with, as the four commits in the secondary were Vlad Emilien, Thomas Gordon, Justin Turner, and Adrian Witty. Emilien's projection was a harbinger of doom for U-M's future situation at safety:

Projection: Either sparing special teams time as a freshman or (hopefully) a redshirt. In 2010 will be a major threat to start at strong safety, though he might have to fight Brandon Smith to get a job.

Brian, today, on this quote: "I was so innocent then."

Smith moved to outside linebacker, then announced his intention to transfer near the end of the 2009 season, ending up at Temple and never doing anything of consequence there. Emilien followed a similar path, playing a little special teams as a true freshman, then transferring after the first game in 2010 when Jordan Kovacs put a death grip on the strong safety spot. He ended up as, yup, an outside linebacker at Toledo, where he made 15 tackles as a senior last year.

omg shirtless heroin-laced carrot

Witty never actually made it onto the team due to academic issues, eventually landing at Cincinnati, where he's the top returner in the secondary this year. Not getting him through admissions may be viewed as a recruiting failure, but in context, it was totally worth it:

Adrian Witty, a teammate of Denard Robinson, is Denard Robinson's teammate. On this team, which they share, they play together. Also, Witty and Denard Robinson attended the same high school. At this high school, they played on a team which they shared and played together on: they were teammates.

That should be clear. Many, many folks regard Witty's offer as the heroin-laced carrot used to lure critical QB recruit Denard Robinson away from Urban Meyer's clutches and to Michigan's post-apocalyptic frozen wastes.

Even though Witty would've been, at worst, the second-best defensive back in this class for U-M, there are no hard feelings here. We salute you, heroin-laced carrot.

The most hyped recruit in the class was Massillon, Ohio's Justin Turner, a top-35 overall player to both Rivals and Scout.* It wasn't hard to see what all the excitement was about:

That excitement only grew after Turner tore it up at Army All-American Game, to the point that his recruitment post led off with a discussion of one of those B/R "[touted recruit] is [football titan]" posts:

If you're measuring by delusional expectations of internet denizens, Justin Turner may be the #1 recruit in the universe. You've got to have an avalanche of hype for some guy to write an article saying you're Charles Woodson and get this response:

"Good article, but i see justin turner being faster then charles woodson. I also see turner being a better saftey the woodson was but woodson will be a better return man."

IE: "Good article about some high school senior being the reincarnation of the only defensive player to ever win the Heisman, but don't you think you're selling him a little short? Also I have no recollection of Charles Woodson's return abilities, which were pretty much crap aside from one white hot moment." (Yes, this exchange happened on Bleacher Report. Where else could it?)

Brian took the conservative tack, comparing Turner to... Marlin Jackson. Let's just move along.

The one defensive back to actually make a positive impact on the field at U-M, Cass Tech's Thomas Gordon, came in as a relatively anonymous recruit. He got Brandent Englemon for his "YMRMFSPA" and this projection:

General Excitement Level: Well… he is the lowest-ranked non-kicker in the class, and that's probably for a reason. 
Projection: Obvious redshirt and will likely require at least two years before he's ready to see the field on defense. The most likely (but by no means assured) outcome is that he doesn't contribute much.

Yes, it's possible for a Cass Tech recruit to exceed expectations.

[*ESPN was a skeptical outlier, listing him as their #21 athlete. Point, ESPN.]

Who?

At least Mike Jones provided us this picture.

On to the linebackers: Isaiah Bell, Mike Jones, and Brandin Hawthorne. Brian's assessment of Jones' potential almost nailed it:

General Excitement Level: Eh; I'm expecting one of the OLB recruts to pan out in a big way, one to be okay, and one to wash out. 

Instead, nobody panned out big. Bell washed out before annarbor.com died, Jones saw the field sparingly before playing his fifth year at Western, and Hawthorne topped out as a nickel linebacker.

I won't spend much time on these guys simply because there isn't a whole lot to talk about, but I will note that when a search for a player comparison goes like this, there's a pretty good chance you've got a serious tweener on your hands:

So he's just like Shawn Crable, if Crable was six to eight inches shorter. So he's just like Chris Graham, if Hawthorne was a stiff, clunky guy incapable of shedding blockers and not much for changing direction. He's not like either, actually. I mean, just look at the guy. Linebacker? In college? Er. There's a reason Hawthorne is well down in the rankings.

Brian suggested Hawthorne "may be better suited for a 3-3-5 than a more traditional D," and hoo boy did some bad memories just come flooding back. Quick, to the defensive line!

THORQWASH & The Crab Person


Between this and the legendary hood slide, we're all good, Big Will.

Justin Turner wasn't the only five-star recruit to the established recruiting sites to get some major skepticism from ESPN. Will Campbell's rankings went #35 overall (Scout), #26 overall (Rivals), and... #21 offensive tackle (ESPN). Another point for the Worldwide Leader. Like Turner, an outstanding Army game performance added to the hype, as did pictures like this...

...and, for entirely different reasons, this:

WE GOT THOR.

In retrospect, however, maybe we should've seen Campbell's future weight issues coming:

Campbell is one of the biggest players in the Army game, but he's apparently not ready for the roller coasters when the teams visit Six Flags on Tuesday night.

"There's a weight limit on those things," he said. "I might be on the tea cups."

Even though he didn't have the desired impact until a solid, though not five-star-caliber, senior season, Campbell always gave a hell of a quote. Brian's Gabe Watson comparison was pretty on point; though Big Will didn't come close to Watson's production, they were similar players—jovial, wildly talented, bull-strong, big fans of food—with similar hype coming to Ann Arbor. 

craaaaaaab people craaaaaab people

Michigan landed two defensive ends in the top-100 range in the class: Craig Roh (right) and Anthony LaLota. While Roh never became an edge-rushing terror, he managed to consitently produce and improve despite boucing between positions—not to mention different defensive schemes that didn't necessarily fit his skill set—for his entire career due to factors outside his control. This comparison both worked and, well, didn't work:

Why Shawn Crable? Crable was a 6'6" athletic terror with chicken legs who spent his Michigan career bouncing from DE to OLB and would have been the perfect player to slot in this spinner spot. Crable was also rated right around where Roh is. The comparison here is very tight.

The tweener aspect of the comparison was spot-on, but Roh ended up being a very different player from Crable, more disciplined and able to hold the point of attack but far less explosive off the edge.

As for LaLota, he received one of the most random YMRMFSPA comps in this blog's history:

Alain Kashama… except good!

Kashama was a total project at Michigan, coming in with little football experience—as did LaLota, who played just 12 games of organized football before hitting campus—before settling in as a reserve pass-rushing specialist, eventually totaling six career sacks.

That ended up being six more career sacks than LaLota recorded, as he transferred back to home-state Rutgers two weeks into his sophomore season, where he quit football to focus on his education after a move to tight end saw him buried on the depth chart.

We end with the class curveball, Quinton Washington, whom everybody evaluated as an interior offensive lineman—with most saying he had a ton of potential there, this blog included:

General Excitement Level: High. It's clear the coaches were nuts about this guy and he's got the offers and recruiting mojo to back it up. 
Projection: Though the coaches have suggested Washington might see the field this year—they think he's that ready—a redshirt makes more sense with Schilling's move inside solidifying the interior line. He'll have to fight Ricky Barnum to replace Moosman next year; if he loses that battle he'll be the odds on favorite to replace Schilling in 2011.

Steve Schilling, in fact, was his player comparison. Washington instead moved to nose tackle early in the 2010 season, worked his way into a starting role as a junior, earned the nickname QWASH, and gave the defense a proficient space-eater until his role mysteriously diminished last season.

The real answer is Roh, but one could make a reasonable argument that Michigan's most critical 2009 defensive recruit was a guy who never played a down for the Wolverines: heroin-laced carrot (seriously, Brian, how the hell do you come up with these things?) Adrian Witty.

Comments

BlueMan80

June 10th, 2014 at 7:08 PM ^

I remember seeing China. I also remember thinking it will be a long time before we could seriously compete with OSU. Let's hope the backfilling project is successful this season. We've had some flashes of success, but still work to be done to get back to ground level and consistency.

Mr. Yost

June 11th, 2014 at 9:55 AM ^

Blame Carr for not recruiting well his last 2 years

Blame Carr for leaving the next coach with nothing

Blame Bill Martin for his botched coaching search (no matter who he ended up with)

Blame Bill Martin for hiring a coach would need to completely overhaul the system (no matter who he ended up with)

Blame Rich Rod for not trying to bridge the gap of the old style and his style

Blame Rich Rod for recruiting a bunch of guys who'd qualify at WVU, but not at Michigan

Blame Rich Rod for recruiting a bunch of guys out of state who are always more likely to transfer home or at least away from the school

Blame Rich Rod for not bringing in enough bodies...especially big bodies.

Blame Rich Rod's coaching staff for not building local relationships (thus helping MSU)

Blame local coaches for being butt hurt just because Rich Rod wanted guys for his system and he wasn't taking the kids from their programs that Carr would

Blame Carr for not supporting Rich Rod and helping him build relationships OR Blame Rich Rod for not accepting Carr's support (whichever in the end is true)

Blame Carr for not telling "his" players and recruits to stay

Blame Admissions for not giving Rich Rod more support to turn the program around before tightening up the requirements

Blame University Admin for not getting behind their new coach like maybe they should have

Blame the new coach for not accepting the values of the University like maybe he should have

Blame the high school teachers of these guys that washed out for not teaching better

Blame the high school recruits for not learning better

Blame the environment from which many of these high school recruits were from

Blame the recruiting sites for not rating better

Blame Hoke for hiring Borges

Blame Hoke for hiring Funk

Blame Hoke for being so "bland"/Fort Schembechler publicly

Blame Hoke for being more 1994 than 2014 when it comes to the media

Blame Hoke for not having energy on the recruiting trail the way Meyer and Franklin do

Blame Hoke for not wearing a headset

Blame Hoke for blaming youth and inexperience

Blame Hoke for placing so much emphasis on seniors, that when his seniors turn out to be Lewan...it rips the team apart

Blame Rich Rod for recruiting Lewan

Blame, blame, blame, blame...BLAME.

In truth, the majority - if not ALL of these are true. It's just a matter of which ones you want to put more of an emphasis on, but you can argue most of them. Most of them have contributed at least in some way to where we are now (besides MSU being good and OSU getting Meyer...I'm talking internal reasons...then again, some of these may have contributed to those as well).

I'm sure we could sit here and think of 100 more reasons. And 75% of them would be accurate in some way, shape, or form. You can believe want you want and emphasize what you want, in the end...most of it is correct and part of the reason we've been underwhelming for quite some time now.

In the end, it's probably best that we all move on from this "era."

I know I am, I've said this many times...in many ways, this is year 2 for me, I expect this to be the "growing year." The year where our team is 10x better in November than it is in September because all of these new guys will have playing time, experience and time to gel. Next year is it for me. 2015 Michigan needs to be BACK. We won't have a player on the roster from this "era," we'll have the schedule, we'll have the talent and experience.

I've moved on from the Carr/Rich Rod/Hoke transition years. Here's to hoping we're headed back to greatness.

Mr. Yost

June 10th, 2014 at 10:04 PM ^

Because when you all are bitching about why we suck...

THIS IS THE MOTHERFREAKING REASON!!!

Go through every Rich Rod class and do the same thing...you'll quickly find that they're all underwhelming unless you're a believer that Denard's smile makes up for everything in this world.

We didn't even ave BODIES because these guys all transferred, flunked out, didn't qualify, etc.

It's odd how everyone blames Hoke - and there's plenty to of blame to put on Hoke, but this is NOT it. He was even Coach Carr's holdovers and a handful of bullets from Rich Rod. That's not going to cut it if you want to be "MICHIGAN."

We basically threw away 3 years of recruiting minus, what...10 players? How do you expect Hoke to be good after that? How do you expect anyone to be good. We basically got hit with the same thing USC got hit with...and look at them, similar position. Only thing is, we didn't cheat.

Here's to the next two years...when we actually have guys on the team who were recruited to Michigan 3-4 years from next season and the 2015 season.

Texagander

June 10th, 2014 at 11:42 PM ^

All day long. This is the reason. It is not an excuse and it can only be solved by time. Hollow platitudes about this being Michigan and we are better than this will not improve this team. Time will. And letting these kids grow into upperclassmen will drastically change this team. Look at what this coaching staff did with a few well placed talented seniors in 2011.

After this year they will have a ton of upperclassmen. We are still paying for great attrition. It will soon be over.

dahblue

June 11th, 2014 at 10:16 AM ^

Actually, it is an excuse, but it's a valid one.  When it's all said and done, I wonder if the count of players lost under Rich equals (or exceeds) the USC penalties.  He could wind up being the worst "sanction" since SMU.

Mr. Yost

June 11th, 2014 at 5:19 PM ^

I'm willing to bet it's close, which is sad, because they had those years when they could only recruit like 14-15 guys.

Certainly worse than OSU and looks like it's going to be worse than PSU (everything being relative because it's not like they were world beaters before the Sandusky/Paterno Scandal)

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alum96

June 12th, 2014 at 12:37 AM ^

How the hell did RR do so well at WVU  the way he evaluated talent?  It is boggling to me and I am not a RR hater in any way.   And dont say Big East sucks - the Big 10 sucks just nearly as bad.  It couldn't all be Pat White - RR almost had his team in the BCS title game.

I knew 2010 was bad but I didnt realize 2009 was horrid as well.  Fergodsakes.

Magnus

June 12th, 2014 at 11:51 AM ^

Rodriguez was well ahead of the times when it came to running spread option. He was an innovator. He's still good at it. It doesn't take elite talent to be successful if you're running a cutting-edge system or a system that nobody else runs. Look at Texas Tech's Air Raid or Georgia Tech's triple option. You find people who can fit your system and get the job done. That's what Rodriguez did at WVU, and he had the advantage of beating people to the punch. Now he's at Arizona and having offensive success, but other people in his conference and the country have caught up to him.