Recruiting Mailbag: The Neal Thing, TE/DE Types, Life Without Messiah Comment Count

Ace

We're a week away from Signing Day and a bizarre recruiting controversy just arose, so it's time for a mailbag. Let's get this one out of the way...

The Daishon Neal Thing

If you missed it, Michigan appeared on the verge of flipping SDE Daishon Neal from his Nebraska commitment until Greg Mattison's in-home visit went awry:

"Michigan was a powerhouse, they came in and they stormed us, they made one bad statement and it was over," [Neal's father] told 1620 on air. "They said without football, Daishon wouldn't be able to go to Michigan. Like we couldn't afford to send him there, or that we couldn't get him in academically.

"Once he said that, we pretty much escorted him out of the house."

Neal continued by stating: "(They) basically tried to call me stupid in front of my face."

There are a few issues at work here. First of all, Michigan can't comment on an unsigned recruit without breaking NCAA rules, so there's no way for Mattison to tell his side of the story; in all likelihood, this won't ever be addressed specifically.

Second, what Mattison reportedly said, in so many words, is often true—one of Michigan's most reliable recruiting pitches is that being a football player allows prospects the opportunity at a first-rate education that wouldn't necessarily be available otherwise. This isn't meant as an insult; plenty of smart people with strong academic resumes don't get into Michigan. I think it's great that Michigan presents this opportunity to those who may not have a 3.8 and a 30 on their ACT; football players have a huge impact on campus life and come away with well-earned degrees.

Finally, Mattison is a seasoned recruiter. I have a difficult time believing he presented this information in any way close to calling Neal "stupid." That's not a particularly effective way to convince a student-athlete to come to your school. A football scholarship pretty much guarantees admittance as long as the recipient clears NCAA academic requirements, which are far less stringent than Michigan's usual admission standards—coaches almost always check with admissions before offering a scholarship.*

Even if Neal has an excellent academic record, that doesn't offer the same guarantee he'd get in. Perhaps Mattison didn't put this in terms Neal and his family appreciated, but it seems far more likely this was an unfortunate miscommunication than a deliberate slight by Mattison. So it goes.

*Demar Dorsey stands as the exception to the rule, and that didn't work out so well.

[Hit THE JUMP for M's chances with Iman Marshall, the proclivity of TE/DE types, and how Harbaugh will look to replace Messiah deWeaver.]

Hope for Marshall?

Does Michigan have any chance of landing Iman [Marshall]? Or does USC have it locked up?

The common theme throughout Marshall's recruitment has been recruiting writers suggesting he's a near-lock to USC—he grew up a fan, his dad's a huge fan, he's been on campus several times, and when in doubt, the five-star California prospect usually ends up there—and Marshall denying he's a lock to anywhere.

It'd still surprise me if he didn't pick USC, but it seems like Michigan made as much of an impact with their official visit as they could reasonably expect—there's a decent chance M is the second most likely choice. They got the Dad Seal of Approval after their in-home visit this week, per 247's Steve Lorenz ($):

"The visit with Michigan went great," the elder Marshall said. "It was very informative and enlightening. I do feel comfortable with them as a staff now. You can tell they're first class coaches, but more importantly they're first class men and fathers. I would have no issues sending my son to Michigan and attending that program because I know they have his best interest both on and off the field."

That's significant since Marshall's father wasn't able to accompany him on his official visit. While USC is the favorite, and for good reason, I wouldn't rule out Michigan.

Jumbo Athletes

So far this year, it's pretty clear the staff has a high interest in TE/DE type athletes. Do you think this is primarily driven by need (We could use both TE and DE), likelihood of commitment (These guys are mostly 3 star tweener types who are likely to jump at a Michigan offer), or do you think this is going to be the norm going forward? 

I ask because it would seem to reflect Harbaugh's general attitude regarding development and these are the type of athletes who could grow in a variety of valuable roles (TE, DE, LB, even OT).

It's certainly true that Michigan has a huge need for both tight ends and defensive ends in this class, and that's driving a lot of these offers. A look at Harbaugh's recruiting at Stanford indicates this isn't a one-year anomaly, however; in the 2009 and 2010 classes at Stanford, he took 13 combined TEs or DEs. While some of these guys—like 6'8" four-star TE Levine Toilolo—were clearly ticketed for one side of the ball, many of them were in the height/weight range where they could contribute at a number of spots.

2009 three-star DE Geoff Meinken found a home as a helmet-popping short-yardage back before knee injuries forced him to retire from football. 2009 three-star TE Ryan Hewitt ended up as a standout fullback after playing both FB and TE as a redshirt freshman. 2010 three-star DE Eddie Plantaric played DE, FB, and TE during his college career. There was even some flexibility with Harbaugh's O-line recruits; 2010 four-star OL Dillon Bonnell switched from #75 to #96 as a junior so he could be an eligible receiver in Stanford's "Ogre" U-back role—while he never caught a pass, he saw action in every game that year.

While there didn't seem to be too much position-flipping once players got on campus, it looks like Harbaugh isn't afraid to take bigger athletes many would consider tweeners and sort them out when they start practicing. Wyatt Shallman seems like an in-state prospect he would've been all over; I get the feeling he'll have a significant role in the offense now that Harbaugh's here.

Replacing Messiah

For those that missed it, 2016 four-star QB Messiah deWeaver opened up his recruitment late last night. I'd be surprised if Michigan's didn't find a more than suitable replacement, though. Harbaugh has already been in contact with a couple of the nation's top QB prospects. CA four-star KJ Costello, the #4 pro-style QB in the country, has shown interest in visiting; the high interest shown by his friend, top-50 CA WR Dylan Crawford, should help Michigan's chances.

Harbaugh and Jedd Fisch also went all the way up to Washington to watch the #1-ranked QB, Jacob Eason, who's currently a Georgia commit. While it's unclear how much interest Eason has in Michigan, I doubt Harbaugh will stop there, especially since he usually took two QB recruits per class at Stanford. Given his track record with QBs—hi, I'd like to introduce you to Andrew Luck—and the amount of hype surrounding his move to Michigan, he should be able to land at least one top-flight QB prospect.

This, admittedly, is a concern.

Comments

treetown

January 28th, 2015 at 4:56 PM ^

Despite their wholesome upbringing they are the mark of the beast.

Season 9, episode 6 "Bart Star" Homer takes over coaching pee wee football after a heckled Ned Flanders quits in disgust. He finds coaching is harder than heckling. Special guest star, Joe Namath.

Lou MacAdoo

January 28th, 2015 at 2:08 PM ^

I was wondering why there weren't any topics on the Neal thing. The big dog ace was already on the case. Does Neal actually prove his stupidity by his response to this. Dude it's really hard to get into Michigan when you're not a super star athlete. That doesn't mean you're stupid you just haven't achieved enough acedemically.

drtpushr

January 28th, 2015 at 2:22 PM ^

It seems Neal may have been the only one to refer to himself as stupid. A seasoned recruiter like Mattison would never go there. It is just a fact about higher academic standards at Michigan. Some players have a hard time accepting the fact they would just not meet the standards without the athletic scholarship. Sometimes the truth is hard to accept but yet it does not reflect on a persons intelligence.

dragonchild

January 28th, 2015 at 3:59 PM ^

If the story is true, then it sounds like a case of arrogant helicopter parents raising a coddled snowflake.  Drama all around.

Yo, Michigan is LEGITIMATELY HARD to get into, AND expensive.  There are thousands of smart kids who don't even apply because of the cost, and tens of thousands who apply every year and get rejected.  To interpret a non-guarantee of admission as "yoo = stoopid" implies they have no fucking idea just how valuable an offer is.

Good riddance.

SWPro

January 28th, 2015 at 9:25 PM ^

At the same time it could be a case of a kid/parents who have heard "he should stick to football" one too many times and have become sensitive to it.

 

I think it's unlikely Mattison said anything that the average person would consider bad, but everyone interprets things differently.

slimj091

January 28th, 2015 at 9:12 PM ^

Some people are like that, and take things differently. I myself have to plan out what I want to say to my own mother, becuase she tends to take everything I say as a personal attack on her. It's her thing, and getting mad at her or people like her just makes it worse............. trust me.

BigT

January 28th, 2015 at 5:06 PM ^

I have no idea how accurate these things are, but his Rivals profile lists his GPA as a 3.1.  Unless he's truly killing it on the ACT/SAT, it seems like it's an accurate statement.

Full disclosure, I get denyed to UM as an undergrad myself (transferred in as a law student).

 

 

Everyone Murders

January 28th, 2015 at 5:32 PM ^

I'd go so far as to say that even if he's killing it on the ACT/SAT he'd have a hard time getting in as a general admission candidate with a 3.1.

I wish the kid well, but with a 3.1 in today's world (or 30 years ago) it would be fair for Mattison to say that 'but for football it would be unlikely you'd have a chance at admission'.  (Not that Mattison said this.  I'm just sayin'.  )  Like many others on this topic, I wish Daishon Neal well but also think Michigan probably dodged a bit of a bullet here.

GoBlueinMN

January 28th, 2015 at 2:09 PM ^

In re the DeWeaver decommitt, I think the Gentry committment makes this much less of a concern as well, regardless of whether they get a big-name QB in the 2016 class (which, IMO, they will).

There are now 2 fairly highly-touted QBs in the class in front of him, both of whom are likely to redshirt.

OccaM

January 28th, 2015 at 2:17 PM ^

Messiah DeWeaver is just one of those names man. Powerful  and head turning. Oh well. Good luck kid! 

Hopefully he doesn't land at MSU/OSU and make Harb n co regret anything.. 

Mr. Yost

January 28th, 2015 at 2:16 PM ^

Dele Harding can't do this all by himself. Someone is going to need to pick up the slack.

NEXT MAN UP!

...isn't that what everyone says these days?

ND Sux

January 28th, 2015 at 2:27 PM ^

in Mattison's defense, my HS GPA was 3.82 (back when 4.0 was perfect).  My family was neither rich nor poor, and I didn't even TRY for Michigan because of BOTH the enrollment standards and cost (Walsh College Grad here).  Maybe not a smart thing to say, but I agree with Brian...highly doubt if he put it quite the way it was taken. 

Mr. Owl

January 28th, 2015 at 2:26 PM ^

Mattison's reputation gives him the benefit of the doubt.  Their reaction gives me a suspicion that missing out on this recruit & his parents is probably a blessing.  How long until he transfers because he thought he was promised something he wasn't?

In reply to by Mr. Owl

M-GoGirl

January 28th, 2015 at 2:42 PM ^

These types of kids are raised to believe in their own greatness. I don't envision Mattison saying anything people could construe as a slam on intelligence, socio-economic status, etc. I'm sure his statements are being "re-worded" to be inflammatory, to make Michigan look bad for whatever reason and to show off his commitment to Nebraska. If this kid and his family are the types that will throw people under the bus knowing they aren't allowed to comment on it at all, then Mike Riley can have them in his corner. When we return to prominence under Harbaugh, we won't have to steal his commits. They'll be looking directly toward Ann Arbor from the start.

In reply to by Mr. Owl

AZ-Blue

January 28th, 2015 at 5:12 PM ^

Also, the point about how it would be a violation of NCAA rules to comment about an uncommitted player, my guess is that UM would go public with a response if this is either a misstatement of fact or even an all out lie - they would need to if it's impacting recruting going forward.  They'd need to go to the NCAA first and explain.  I'm not sure I see the dowside of doing so.

This is just so insanely stupid on the part of his dad to make those public comments, even if true which doesn't fit GMat.  Doesn't add up.

Lt. Pete Mitchell

January 28th, 2015 at 2:27 PM ^

As much as we poke at Manbawl, that video got my blood flowing.  Sadly, I can't remember the last time we rattled some bones on offense or defense.

Here's to hoping our defense can finally be aggressive (Jabrill Peppers going full Ed Reed) and Harbaugh can make modern manbawl happen.

Wolverine 73

January 28th, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^

I can't imagine being concerned about the 2016 recruiting class at this stage.  Harbaugh has a year to work on that, and he pretty much has his hands full with 2015 right now.  If we show marked improvement on the field this year, I would bet the 2016 class turns out to be a top 10 class, missing top 5 only because of the low number of recruits in the class.

bronxblue

January 28th, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^

Yeah, I kind of doubt Mattison, who has been one of the best recruiters in college when he coached there, would say anything that would insult someone in the way Neal claimed he did.  It didn't work out; surprised his Dad and him went to the press about it, but I'm sure he'll do fine at Nebraska.  Michigan will survive.

As for deWeaver, that felt like a weird marriage when it happened, given the uncertainty with Hoke.  I don't think Michigan will have too much trouble attracting a suitable replacement, though.  I'd be surprised if Michigan flipped Eason, but I could see Costello maybe coming to Michigan.  The kid has undobutedly been hearing about Harbaugh for years in CA, and with a year to mull it over there are few coaches better suited to take advantage of pro QBs in college.