Punt-Counterpunt: Minnesota 2013 Comment Count

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jonvalk

Something's been missing from Michigan gamedays since the free programs ceased being economically viable: scientific gameday predictions that are not at all preordained by the strictures of a column in which one writer takes a positive tack and the other a negative one… something like Punt-Counterpunt.

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By Nick RoUMel

Issues of NCAA reform are bubbling to a head. John Bacon assessed the problem and some of the solutions just for recently. As for paying players, he suggests that this would not fix the underlying problem, but simply requiring feeding the greedy college football monster with even more money. As a starting point for discussion, Bacon proposes re-imposing what had been a long-time ban on freshman eligibility, as a means to eventually force the NFL and NBA to stop using colleges as their minor league program.

I too have railed against the business and corporate aspect of college football in this space, and come off as curmudgeonly to some. Sometimes I wax fondly about the old days, but I’m realistic enough to know those days are gone. We have created a situation that makes a lot of people filthy rich and leaves many players feeling used. If they’re real lucky, they leave college with a college degree, good memories, and bodies largely intact as they pursue alternate careers.

There is one thing about the old days, however, I do not like. Which leads me to the Minnesota Gophers and their coach Jerry Kill, who happens to suffer from epilepsy. In the old days, epileptics were often shunned, segregated with the insane or even imprisoned. This was part of the generally abysmal way our society has often treated people with physical, mental, or emotional conditions. We have progressed to the point, I would hope, that we don’t want to do such things anymore.

Except for Minnesota Star-Tribune columnist Jim Souhan, who suggested that the Gophers should fire Coach Kill in part because “No one who buys a ticket to TCF Bank Stadium should be rewarded with the sight of a middle-aged man writhing on the ground.” I’m not sure if this opinion is grounded in the historical shutting away of “defectives,” the entitlement of fans and networks to be not be distracted from the business of college football, or both. But it is an opinion that I find abhorrent.

If Coach Kill has just one more play in him than Akron’s Coach Bowden or UConn’s (now fired) Coach Pasqualoni, then maybe he will beat Michigan and temporarily shut up his ignorant critics. I do know that the Wolverines have been playing like amateurs lately, rather than the paid performers some wish they were. After today’s performance, you might even see a few of our players fired.

MINNESOTA 23, MICHIGAN 21

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By Heiko Yang

The beauty of amateurism is you can’t get fired from a job you’re not being paid to do. For example, if Devin Gardner throws back-to-back interceptions in the first quarter, he’ll probably get benched, and if he keeps regressing he’ll probably no longer be the starter. As much as that sounds like being fired, the important distinction is that he’ll get to keep his scholarship, and that sounds like a good deal to me. Being a backup might actually be a better life plan. After all, the fewer snaps Gardner takes, the more likely his body will be intact when he leaves with his Master’s degree to pursue an alternate career.

That pretty much sums up why I don’t see any reason to give athletes more than what they’re already getting. A scholarship essentially says, “Your education is free as long as you play this sport, even if you end up being awful.”* If current athletes feel like they’re being exploited for generating revenue they’ll never see, there’s a really simple solution: start sucking. Being relegated to the practice squad doesn’t make that degree any less free.

That’s the kind of job security a guy like Jerry Kill could really use right now, but he has no amateurism clause to hide behind. Yes, the Star-Tribune columnist’s jab at Kill is callous and reprehensible. Unfortunately, he’s technically correct. Unlike Gardner, Kill is actually getting paid to do his job. Lots. If he becomes unable to do that job, he probably shouldn’t get paid anymore. To be clear, there’s a thing called common decency that says we shouldn’t be jerks to a guy who’s suffering from epilepsy, but when millions of dollars are involved, there’s no such thing as a medical hardship. Even Urban Meyer knows that.

The rabbling for NCAA reform has indeed reached a crescendo recently, and I have to tell you: the portrayal of a grave class struggle between the haves and have-nots, the suits and jerseys, is disingenuous. It’s not like players are poorer than they were 20 years ago. Deep down I think we just hate looking at Mark Emmert’s side-part, which I swear to God becomes more and more perfect every day.

We try to pin the bastardization of our beloved pastime on money and corporatism, but we have only ourselves to blame. We love amateur sports so much that we do everything in our power to corrupt it. Especially as Michigan fans, when we consider the thick wads of cash we indiscriminately throw at anything that’s blue with maize stripes, we should be thankful our football program didn’t end up like USC or Miami.

Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of changes we can make to preserve amateurism and tradition in college football as well as improve athlete education and safety. I hope the latter get implemented soon so I don’t have to feel so guilty every time someone forgets to block Frank Clark. But ultimately, I don’t think college athletes should be paid. Even though all we want is to give them money, that part of it should stay untouched. I mean, I would hate to give Nick a reason to think he can go around firing any of our players.

Not that he’ll feel compelled to, because Michigan will win comfortably.

Minnesota 10, Michigan 35

*[unless you’re at Alabama.]

Comments

rayfrom19

October 5th, 2013 at 12:40 PM ^

I couldn't agree more with the proposed moratorium.  I watch these games to "escape".  Lets sit back and enjoy and bring punt / counter-punt back to what it does best.

Don

October 5th, 2013 at 1:40 PM ^

It's the way Soutan phrased his message: that people who paid money shouldn't be forced to suffer the indignity of watching some poor bastard experience serious health issues in front of them. The fan's tender sensitivities are the least important thing here—it's the impact on the team and program that's important, and that's something the Minny AD has to be concerned about.

TenThousandThings

October 5th, 2013 at 2:11 PM ^

I have a nephew with epilepsy. It's serious business, but at 15 now he's been though shit most kids have no clue about. "They cut a hole in my head. I'm serious!"

Should Jerry Kill drive a car? No.

Should he coach a football team, with "protocols" in place to adjust if he has seizure? Fuck yes. Jerry Kill's got more courage in his little finger than you will ever have.

In the equation Minnesota uses in hiring and retaining him as a coach and role model, that experience is a plus, not a minus.

Procumbo

October 5th, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^

Heiko, that's the strangest argument I've ever heard for amateurism. Kids not being paid for their services isn't an issue because they can keep not getting paid even if they suck? The solution you suggest isn't realistic -- a kid who's devoted much of his life to football isn't going to stop trying, and if he did, there would be repercussions: players do lose scholarships sometimes, or are pressured to leave the program -- but even if it was, it doesn't address the issue.

Inuyesta

October 6th, 2013 at 3:53 AM ^

Truly bizarre argument from Heiko, I can only hope he's not being serious.

I feel compelled to note that contracts are guaranteed in professional baseball and basketball...if the Giants sign Barry Zito to a 7 year, $126 million contract, and he starts sucking, the Giants can demote him to AAA or cut him, but they're still paying him that money.   "You can't be fired if you suck" is not a rule exclusive to "amateur" athletics.

It's also worth noting that even though Michigan will honor its scholarship commitments to non-performing players, many schools will not.  Good luck trying to survive 4 years on scholarship on the practice squad at Alabama or another chronic oversigner.

 

Tater

October 5th, 2013 at 3:27 PM ^

I still think players should be allowed to take whatever they want from whoever they want.  Schools don't need to pay players when boosters would be happy to.  

But the discussion makes me wonder how long before somebody like Johnny Football, who has the wherewithal, decides to sue the TV stations to pay players SAG/AFTA rates for being on television.  Then, of course, there is the issue of being compensated for the sales of autographs, uniforms, and pictures.  

I think that a scholly is enough for schools to pay, but I also think that suppressing the free market rights of athletes is wrong.

Also, FWIW, I don't mind punt-counterpunt being used for this issue.  It's not like anyone glued my eyes to the monitor and forced me to read it.

sealedseven

October 5th, 2013 at 9:04 PM ^

What they should do if the players win and start getting paid is to just get rid of the scolarships all together. Make it so that in the end, it's just a wash, but the players got what they want and can't do anything on the scolarships. If they complain, to bad.

Wolfman

October 5th, 2013 at 11:56 PM ^

 "It’s not like players are poorer than they were 20 years ago."  Actually, not only players, but many many Americans are poorer than they were twenty years ago.  I really don't think this has much bearing on your point, but I think you should be factual when making such an argument.   And it's true that paying the players would only lead to further costs to the fans because the greedy in cfb, just like those on Wall Street, Banking, Insurance, virtually every segment of big business is not willing to share with their employees.  And the larger the busisness, i.e., Michigan's fb business is larger than E. Michigan's, the more profit they demand and that is their tool at maintaining separation from start up businesses.  They will be forever reluctant to change this, especially in a constantly, probably never to end, declining American economy.

charblue.

October 5th, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^

to give us an actual argument based on an actual occurrence of a pregame Jerry Kill siezure that will deprive the Gophers of their coach today and creates one of those iffy motivational situations heading into kickoff. 

So, even though our punt, pass and kick guys buried the lede, we did get the preview we thought we should albeit with a dose of leftover NCAA reform talk.

My take on that is based on this actual piece of off-field news that raises the spectre of athlete compensation better than another two-minute drill. HaHa Clinton-Dix, who Michigan tangentially recruited at one point along with his teammate Sammy Watkins during the RR era, was indefinitely suspended the other day by Alabama after the program learned that Clinton-Dix had accepted a loan of money from the team strength coach, which is verbotten as an impermissable benefit under NCAA rules. The amount of the loan: less than $500, and it was repaid by Clinton-Dix, who is projected as a likely top NFL draft pick at his safety position next year. 

Here's the thing: I don't know why the kid needed the money or whether it was spent on something legitimate, legal or liable, but under the circumstances it was apparently irrelevant. Clinton-Dix was suspended by the program for breaking team rules, the strength coach might lost his job, and it all seems so trivial.

At this point, why are we scapegoating kids and coaches over something as trivial as this? If this were just a self-reported violation, it's no big deal. These are the kinds of NCAA violations and player suspensions which give ammunition to the pay the players debate. And because so much money is earned off the back of college football, this argument won't go way no matter how you slice the debate. And the argument is as noisesome as the fight over Obamacare. 

There has to be a way to ameliorate this condition and fix the problem. I am not advocating overturning amateurism. I am advocating changes that make situations like this stupid easy to deal with, without the consequence of player suspension due to lack of money in a sport that is swimming in it and rewarding everyone connected with it, except the gladiators. Yeah, you sacrifice for a free eduation whether you are good or not. 

And it is what you make it. But that's true in any endeavor in life. You recoganize the value of your opportunity and you make the most of it. Some do, some don't, and sometimes emergencies require us to borrow money. You shouldn't be penalized because you had a problem like that.